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Amanpour: Steve Cortes, Dr. Anthony Fauci and Isabel Wilkerson
As Beirut reels from a deadly explosion, adding to their already struggling economy and political instability, we give you the latest updates from those on the ground. Then looking ahead to November, Steve Cortes, senior adviser to the Trump 2020 Campaign, joins Christiane Amanpour to talk facing off against Biden. Turning back to the coronavirus pandemic, our Walter Isaacson speaks to Dr. Anthony Fauci, America’s leading infectious disease expert, about his war of words with President Trump. And finally, Isabel Wilkerson, author of "Caste: The Origins of Our Discontents," discusses America’s caste problem and why we need new language to understand and heal our divisions. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Ben Wedeman, Edward Lee Childress, Megan Rapinoe and Dr. Francis Collins
As a huge explosion rocks Lebanon's capital, our correspondent Ben Wedeman gives us the latest from the ground in Beirut. Then we turn to coronavirus and how it is impacting schools in the U.S. and around the world. Edward Lee Childress, superintendent of the Corinth school district in Mississippi, talks about reopening his schools and dealing with the surge in positive cases in his area. Arne Duncan, former secretary of education, also weighs in. He argues we are asking too much of school officials. Megan Rapinoe, two-time world cup soccer champion, discusses her new HBO special 'Seeing America with Megan Rapinoe' and the movement for racial justice. Turning back to the Covid-19 pandemic, our Walter Isaacson talks to Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health - aka Fauci’s boss - about the search for a vaccine and the very tough months that lie ahead. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Mary Trump, Edward Enninful and James McBride
Millions of Americans who lost their jobs in lockdown await decisions from a deadlocked Washington and the coronavirus pandemic enters a new phase in the U.S. as it infiltrates rural heartlands. With an election just three months away, what is going through the mind of President Trump? Christiane Amanpour is joined by Mary Trump, clinical psychologist and niece of the President. Then, British Vogue Editor-in-Chief Edward Enninful reflects on his experience as the first man, and first Black editor, of the iconic British fashion publication. They discuss this year’s flagship September issue and how the Black Lives Matter protests are reshaping the fashion industry. And our Michel Martin speaks to award-winning author and musician James McBride about his latest novel “Deacon King Kong”, the current racial and cultural tensions, and why he remains optimistic. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Paul Krugman, Russ Feingold, Paul Rosenzweig and Eduardo Padrón
With coronavirus benefit payments in the U.S. set to expire imminently and Congress unable to agree a new aid deal, many Americans face an uncertain financial future. Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss the fight to protect American prosperity and the "body blow" that political inaction deals to ordinary citizens. Then, Russ Feingold, president of the American Constitution Society and Paul Rosenzweig, founder of Red Branch Consulting, give their take from either side of the political aisle on Attorney General Bill Barr’s testimony this week. And our Walter Isaacson speaks to Eduardo Padrón, president emeritus of Miami Dade College, about the imperative for diversity and flexibility in education, and the systemic inequalities that the coronavirus pandemic has exposed in America's collegiate system. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Tony Blinken, Roberto Azevedo, Maya Soetoro, Yo-Yo Ma and Andy Slavitt
America takes another step away from its international commitments as President Trump approves the removal of nearly 12,000 troops from Germany. With U.S. global leadership under the spotlight, Christiane Amanpour speaks to Tony Blinken, senior foreign policy advisor to Joe Biden, about the upcoming U.S. election and America’s international responsibilities. Director General of the World Trade Organization Roberto Azevedo reflects on the "grim" prospects for the world economy post-Covid, his "challenging" relationship with President Trump and his decision to step down from WTO leadership. Cellist Yo-Yo Ma and co-founder of The Peace Studio Maya Soetoro discuss the link between music and peace and explain how sound gives physical comfort in times of trouble. And our Hari Sreenivasan speaks to Andy Slavitt, former acting administrator of the centers for Medicare and Medicaid services, about his new podcast "In the Bubble with Andy Slavitt" and why he thinks that trust is key to turn the tide on America’s battle with Covid-19. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Tim Bray, Shoshana Zuboff, Fary and Carl Zimmer
CEOs from four of the world’s most powerful companies - Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google - faced a grilling before US Congress on Wednesday, asked to explain how their vast empires and business practices are reshaping the world we live in. Former Amazon Vice President Tim Bray, and author of "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism", Shoshana Zuboff, join Christiane Amanpour to discuss the role and responsibilities of big tech. Then French comedian Fary talks candidly about the myth of his country's colourblind ideal, and his recent project 'Hexagone'. And our Walter Isaacson speaks to Carl Zimmer, award-winning science writer and New York Times columnist, about the race for a coronavirus vaccine and the diverging approaches being taken. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Russ Feingold, Paul Rosenzweig, Jacqueline Novogratz and Eduardo Padrón
Progressive icon Russ Feingold and former Homeland Security official Paul Rosenzweig join Christiane Amanpour to assess the impact of Attorney General William Barr on American justice. Then Jacqueline Novogratz, CEO of Acumen and author of "Manifesto for a Moral Revolution", calls for a moral revolution. She argues why we need to change our values to help the most vulnerable. And our Walter Isaacson speaks to Eduardo Padrón, president emeritus of Miami Dade College, about the diversity and inclusivity of his college, the life changing importance of education and how it's being impacted by coronavirus. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Jerry Brown, Joachim Kersten, Neil Gross and Margaret Sullivan
Jerry Brown, the former California Governor, joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss President Trump’s decision to send federal agents into Portland to quell the unrest. He says this is unprecedented and ‘pure politics’. Joachim Kersten, chair of police science at the German Police University, and Neil Gross, sociology professor at Colby College, talk about what America can learn from German policing. They trace how Germany changed its police training after World War II. Then our Michel Martin speaks to Margaret Sullivan, media columnist at The Washington Post and author of "Ghosting the News", about the impact of coronavirus on local journalism. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Steve Leifman, Norm Orstein, Amma Asante and Charles Stewart
Judge Steve Leifman and political scientist Norm Ornstein, the men behind PBS documentary “The Definition of Insanity”, join Christiane Amanpour to discuss Miami-Dade County’s ground-breaking Jail Diversion Program that uses empathy to decriminalize the mentally ill. Then director Amma Asante reflects on making new series "Mrs. America" that examines the controversial 1970s anti-feminist Phyllis Schlafly. She also reveals her experience as a part of the 1% of black and female British directors. And as the November election draws ever closer and many states are expanding the use of postal voting in an effort to keep people safe amid the pandemic, our Hari Sreenivasan talks to Charles Stewart, professor of political science at MIT, about why this has become so politically charged. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Wendy Sherman, Dr. Anders Tegnell, Heidi Larson and Jason Stanley
Wendy Sherman, the director for Center for Public Leadership at Harvard Kennedy School and former diplomat, speaks to Christiane Amanpour about the decision to close the Chinese consulate. She argues it was an overreach. Now, Sweden have a had an usual approach to lockdown; at first they had very few deaths and no lockdown was imposed, but as their mortality rate is increasing they are facing harsh criticism. Dr. Anders Tegnell, Sweden's chief epidemiologist, defends Sweden’s policy. Since the coronavirus pandemic began, the race for a vaccine has been on. But will everyone take it once it becomes available? Heidi Larson, director of The Vaccine Confidence Project, explains where vaccine hesitancy comes from, and how to restore public faith in medicine. Then our Hari Sreenivasan talks to Jason Stanley, Yale philosophy professor and author of "How Fascism Works", about the inner mechanics of fascism and the forces that drive dictatorship, including worrying signs of fascism on the rise in the U.S. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Bernie Sanders, Marjane Satrapi and Thomas Chatterton Williams
Senator Bernie Sanders joins Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview about his presidential run, Covid-19, Trump, and the shape of Democratic politics. He explains why he thinks Joe Biden has made significant movement in a progressive direction. Then filmmaker and author Marjane Satrapi talks about directing “Radioactive”, a new biopic that showcases the complicated genius and life story of Marie Curie. An open letter recently published in Harper’s Magazine argues that cancel culture threatens free speech. The letter’s co-author, Thomas Chatterton Williams, speaks to our Walter Isaacson about the toxic culture of cancelling versus the very necessary calling out of those who have overstepped the line. And finally, we give you a snippet of a previously unheard Rolling Stones song. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Devi Sridhar, Larry Hogan and Keisha Lance Bottoms
As Oxford University take a huge step forward in the hunt for an effective vaccine against Covid-19, Devi Sridhar, Professor of Global Public Health at Edinburgh University, joins Christiane Amanpour to explain how coronavirus can cause long term damage, even for young people with no underlying health conditions, and why countries across the world must prepare for winter. Then Maryland Governor Larry Hogan warns that testing shortages could make the situation even worse. Our Walter Isaacson speaks to the Mayor of Atlanta Keisha Lance Bottoms, who is also reportedly on Joe Biden's short list for presidential running mates about the heated mask debate in the United States, and why she opposes defunding the police. And finally, we tell you about the massive sperm whale trapped in an illegal fishing net and the valiant efforts the Italian coastguard are doing to free it. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: James Clyburn, Nathan Law, Alan Hoo and Zerlina Maxwell
Democratic Congressman James Clyburn joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss the life and legacy of the late John Lewis as well as the violence in Portland, Oregon. Then Hong Kong pro-democracy activist and politician Nathan Law unpacks the new national security law introduced by Beijing and how he was forced to flee his home. But Alan Hoo, vice chair of the Hong Kong Liberal Party, pushes back and defends the controversial law. Our Michel Martin speaks to Zerlina Maxwell, author of “The End of White Politics”, about why Joe Biden should pick a black woman as his running mate. And finally – we tell you about the ground-breaking coronavirus vaccine developed in Oxford that is offering up some hope for the future. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Petra Costa, Dawn Porter and Dr. Sean O'Leary
As the number of COVID-19 cases in in Brazil surpasses 2 million, Petra Costa, director of "The Edge of Democracy", joins Christiane Amanpour from Sao Paulo to discuss the state of the nation’s health and democracy. Then Dawn Porter, director of "John Lewis: Good Trouble", reflects on the extraordinary life and career of the civil rights icon. Our Hari Sreenivasan also speaks to Dr. Sean O'Leary, vice chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Infectious Diseases, about how children are affected by coronavirus. And finally – arise Sir Tom Moore! The UK’s beloved Captain is knighted by the Queen for his contribution to the NHS in a special investiture. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Tim Harford, Hannah Gadsby and Randi Weingarten
Tim Harford, the economist and journalist, joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss our failure to prepare for disasters like covid-19 and hurricane Katrina and how government often mistake near misses for false alarms. Then Australian comedian Hannah Gadsby who shot to international fame with her pioneering stand-up show “Nanette” in 2018, talks about reclaiming her narrative from trauma. Our Hari Sreenivasan speaks to Randi Weingarten, president of American Federation of Teachers, about how major school distrcits like Los Angeles and San Diego will stay called in the fall, despite pressure from the white house to reopen. And finally we end with Billy Joel making music out of another man’s trash. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Giuseppe Sala, LaToya Cantrell, Sarah Longwell and Mehrsa Baradaran
Mayors Giuseppe Sala and LaToya Cantrell, of Milan and New Orleans respectively, join Christiane Amanpour to discuss how their cities are dealing with coronavirus pandemic. They reveal their agenda for a green and just recovery after covid. Groups like Republican Voters Against Trump are trying to convince party members to abandon the president. The co-founder Sarah Longwell talks candidly about her hopes for the November election. Then our Michel Martin speaks to Mehrsa Baradaran, law professor and author of “The Color of Money”, about how black communities have been systemically shut out of the banking system causing a vast racial wealth gap. And finally, since slave trader Edward Colston’s statue was toppled in Bristol, his plinth has stood empty. We explain how an artist has now replaced it with a symbol of the black lives matter movement. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Richard Hatchett, Deborah Peterson Small, Khalil Gibran Muhammad and Janet Napolitano
As the coronavirus pandemic and the race for the vaccine continues, Richard Hatchett, the CEO of Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss how any vaccine must go to those most at risk. Then history professor Khalil Gibran Muhammad and activist Deborah Peterson Small trace the stain of racism in the criminal justice system from slavery to now. Our Walter Isaacson speaks to Janet Napolitano, the first female president of of University of California, about whether to reopen schools and universities this fall. And finally – we reveal what infamous yet secretive street artist Banksy has been up to on London’s underground. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Beto O'Rourke, Ed Yong, Vincent R. Stewart, Margo Price and Jeremy Ivey
Beto O'Rourke, former Democratic congressman and presidential candidate, joins Christiane Amanpour from El Paso, Texas to discuss the spike in cases across several states in the United States. He says Trump’s leadership is ‘deadly and dangerous’. Then Ed Yong, staff writer at The Atlantic, argues why this surge was predictable and preventable. And from one pandemic to another – our Walter Isaacson speaks to retired general Vincent R. Stewart about racism in America. Stewart, the first African American director of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, talks about his experiences of racial prejudice and how he was compelled to say enough is enough in his recent op ed. And finally, anti-establishment singer-songwriter Margo Price reflects on country music, gender inequality and racism in 2020 America and why she’s not afraid to rail against it. To end the show, her husband and fellow band mate Jeremy Ivey joins to perform “Gone to Stay” from their new album. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Aalaya Eastmond, Alicia Garza, Lemn Sissay, Annette Gordon-Reed and Jon Meacham
Aalaya Eastmond, activist and Parkland school shooting survivor, and Alicia Garza, the co-founder of the Black Lives Matter movement, join Christiane Amanpour to discuss the intergenerational fight for racial justice and the exhaustion of being a black woman today. Lemn Sissay, the acclaimed British poet and author of “My Name is Why,” talks candidly about his harrowing journey in search of his true identity after he was stolen from his Ethiopian birth mother in 1967. He details the racism he experienced growing up with a foster family who then rejected him after 12 years of calling him son. Then, our Walter Isaacson speaks to Pulitzer prize-winning historians Annette Gordon-Reed and Jon Meacham to unpack the contradictions of one of America’s founding fathers: Thomas Jefferson, slave owner and advocate for equality. They pick up the discussion of the moment: whether to take down statues that, for many, are symbols of oppression and embody hundreds of years of systemic racism. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Tzipi Livni, Diana Buttu, Mary Jordan and DJ Patil
Former Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss tensions between Israel and Palestine. She warns that if Israel annexes Palestinian territory unilaterally, it's giving up hope for peace in the future and making a huge historical mistake. Palestinian human rights lawyer and former adviser to the PLO Diana Buttu weighs in, arguing that if Israel go ahead with the annexation, they are breaking international law and must be held accountable. Mary Jordan, Pulitzer prize-winning journalist and author of "The Art of Her Deal," reveals how First Lady Melania Trump used her husband's ascent to renegotiate her prenup and how she influenced the President’s VP pick. Then our Hari Sreenivasan turns back to the coronavirus pandemic with his conversation with DJ Patil, the former U.S. chief data scientist. He explains that Covid-19 isn’t going away and the likelihood of a second wave and how we best mitigate it. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Christine Todd Whitman, Faiz Shakir, Glenn Hubbard and Kadir Nelson
Christine Todd Whitman, the former governor of New Jersey, digs into the climate crisis and the upcoming presidential election. Faiz Shakir, the former campaign manager for Bernie Sanders’ 2020 run, and Mark Mckinnon, former presidential adviser, analyse the progressive surge in Tuesday's primaries and what it will mean come November. Then our Walter Isaacson talks to Columbia professor and economist Glenn Hubbard about how we are going to recover economically from the fallout of Covid-19. And finally, Kadir Nelson, the artist and author, reveals the inspiration behind his acclaimed covers for The New Yorker and The Rolling Stone. He talks art, racial justice and politics in this current moment of cultural reckoning. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: William Cohen, Clifford Stott and Norm Stamper
William Cohen, the veteran Republican and former Defense Secretary, joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss a potential second term for President Trump. He says this would could spell the end of democracy and pave the way for tyranny. Clifford Stott, social psychology professor at Keele University, discusses how to prevent protests turning violent. For example, he explains how officers can and should use dialogue to defuse tensions with large crowds. Then our Michel Martin speaks to Norm Stamper, former Seattle Police chief and author of “To Protect and Serve: How to Fix America's Police,” about the toxic police culture he was once a part of and how best to remedy it. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Kristalina Georgieva, Reverend William J. Barber II, Anne Milgram, Matthew Desmond and Afua Hirsch
Kristalina Georgieva, the head of the International Monetary Fund, joins Christiane Amanpour to assess the economic fallout of the coronavirus pandemic. She reveals that the global recession will be worse, and the recovery potentially slower, than currently forecast. Reverend William Barber II, co-chair of the Poor People’s Campaign, highlights the urgent need to combat voter suppression before the 2020 presidential election. He says voting rights are a matter of life and death. Former federal prosecutor Anne Milgram discusses the firing of U.S. attorney Geoffrey Berman; stating the removal was bizarre, political and raises questions that need to be answered by Attorney General Barr. Then our Michel Martin speaks to Princeton professor and author of "Evicted", Matthew Desmond, about the eviction crisis in the United States and how ending up on the street is a very real possibility for many Americans. He lays out how investing in affordable and stable housing is economically beneficial. And finally – today the UK mark Windrush day, a day honoring the contribution of the Windrush Generation who emigrated to the UK after WWII, but many of whom were wrongfully detained and even deported. Afua Hirsch, journalist and author of “Brit(ish), delves into the country's history of systemic racism. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Carol Anderson, Eric Foner, Malcolm Gladwell and Lonnie Bunch
Today is “Juneteenth” in the United States; a holiday that celebrates the emancipation of America’s slaves. Historians Carol Anderson and Eric Foner join Christiane Amanpour to unpack this historic day and the legacy of systemic racism that is still felt today. They explore the patterns of both progress and backlash for black Americans. Malcolm Gladwell, host of "Revisionist History" and author of "Talking to Strangers", discusses police reform and America’s moral shift. Then Walter Isaacson speaks to Lonnie Bunch, the first African American to oversee The Smithsonian Institution and head of the National Museum of African American History and Culture, about the tragic story of 14-year-old Emmett till who was lynched in 1955. He says slavery is embedded in everything and highlights the importance learning from our brutal history. And finally – we mark the graduation of Malala Yousafzai, who despite being targeted by the Taliban 8 years ago, now holds a degree from one of the most prestigious universities in the world. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Jim Sciutto, Gabriela Jauregui, Farnaz Fassihi. Dr. Larry Brilliant
Jim Sciutto, CNN’s security correspondent and author of "The Madman Theory: Trump Takes on the World," joins Christiane Amanpour to unpack former national security adviser John Bolton’s explosive new memoir detailing his time in the White House by Trump’s side. Sciutto digs into Bolton’s motives and questions why he did not protest more loudly about the President’s behavior at the time and when testifying under oath. Since lockdown, rates of domestic violence around the world have spiked and nations with already poor records on women’s rights are seeing increased rates of femicide. Gabriela Jauregui, author and women's rights activist from Mexico, and Farnaz Fassihi, the New York Times journalist, explain the ‘shadow pandemic’ of violence against women in Mexico and Iran. Physician and epidemiologist Dr. Larry Brilliant has been sounding the alarm about pandemics for years; he speaks to our Walter Isaacson about working for the W.H.O in India and the lessons he learnt eradicating the smallpox virus. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Guillermo Galdos, Julio Frenk, Raj Chetty and LZ Granderson
Journalist Guillermo Galdos takes us with her on her harrowing journey escaping from Latin America’s Covid-19 epicenter in Lima, Peru. Many have been left unemployed as a result of the pandemic and are being forced to leave the capital. Julio Frenk, president of University of Miami and former health minister of Mexico, explains the impact of coronavirus in the continent and why populism is dangerous to public health. Then our Hari Sreenivasan talks to Harvard economics professor Raj Chetty about the economic fallout of covid-19 and how his new index that assess employment and wages in the United States reveals some surprising facts. And finally, LZ Granderson, sports and culture columnist at the Los Angeles Times, digs into the politics of sport and why white athletes must take a stand against racism and police brutality. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Kay Bailey Hutchison, Chile Eboe-Osuji, Rob Schenck, Amos Nachoum and Yonatan Nir
President Trump has announced his intention to pull out 9,500 American troops from Germany. Kay Bailey Hutchison, the U.S. Ambassador to NATO, joins Christiane Amanpour to unpack this latest development in American policy. She reveals that this won’t be happening right away. Judge and President of the International Criminal Court Chile Eboe-Osuji discusses an investigation into whether US forces committed war crimes in Afghanistan and says he hopes the U.S. stop their trend of attacking the ICC. A key base of support in Trump’s corner has always been white, evangelical Christians – our Michel Martin speaks to a minister from that very group: Rob Schenck. Once part of an aggressive wing of the anti-abortion movement, he talks about rejecting divisive and zealous rhetoric in these already divisive times. And finally, Amos Nachoum, Wildlife Photographer, and Yonatan Nir, co-director, "Picture of His Life", reflect on teaming up on a quest to photograph a polar bar whilst swimming with it. Some much needed visual escapism whilst in lockdown. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Valerie Amos, David Simon and Phillip Atiba Goff
As anti-racist protests continue around the world, Valerie Amos, director of SOAS and soon to be the first black head of an Oxford college, talks to Christiane Amanpour about the UK Prime Minister’s new commission on race inequality and the urgent need to decolonize our curriculum. Since the death of George Floyd, we have been going through a cultural reckoning, questioning what TV shows we watch and the language we use. David Simon, creator of celebrated HBO series “The Wire”, talks about the impact of cop shows have on the imagination. Simon has covered American policing for decades and argues that the real issue lies in the misguided war on drugs and the militarization of the police. Our Michel Martin speaks to Phillip Atiba Goff, the co-founder and CEO of Center for Policing Equity, about fighting implicit biases in police departments. He explains how his team are working in collaboration with law enforcement and in communities to prevent more unnecessary deaths. And finally, we unpack the photo that everyone is talking about: a black man carrying a white man to safety at Saturday’s far-right counter-protest in London and we end on Kennedy Mitchum’s success revising Merriam Webster’s definition of racism. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Darren Walker, Richard Parsons, Patrick Robinson and Robin DiAngelo
In 2020 black Americans are worse off than white Americans by every metric. The demand for economic equality has been a rallying cry for the Black Lives Matter movement and a critical gaze is now turning to corporate America, where only four CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are black, all of whom are men. Christiane Amanpour speaks to two men who have lived this reality, Darren Walker, President of the Ford Foundation, and Richard Parsons, former Chairman and CEO of Time Warner. Then, as Britain continues to address its colonial past, an aptly timed BBC drama “Sitting in Limbo”, has been released. It tells the story of the 2017 Windrush scandal, when a generation of British subjects from the Caribbean were wrongly detained or deported as part of the British government’s ‘hostile environment policy’. Star of the drama Patrick Robinson gives his perspective on the present moment, and the work that Britain still needs to do. And then, in 2018 Michel Martin spoke to author Robin DiAngelo about her book “White Fragility”. Finding even greater relevance today, the book is back on numerous best-seller lists and in an extended cut of the original interview, they discuss unconscious biases and why white people are often defensive when it comes to talking about race. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Christian Cooper, Melody Cooper, Sajid Javid and Michael Eric Dyson
Recent polls in the U.S. show that the majority of Americans believe that the Black Lives Matter protests rocking the country constitute a defining moment in history. Yet despite this wave of activism, many African Americans still experience acts of racism on a daily basis. Over memorial weekend a video went viral showing a white woman in Central Park calling the police and accusing an African American man of threatening her, after he asked her to put her dog on a leash. The man in question, Christian Cooper, filmed the exchange, and he and his sister Melody Cooper, join Christiane to discuss to the event, and weaponization of race in America. Then, Sajid Javid, former UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, reflects on Britain’s colonial legacy and his own experience of racism in the financial and political sectors. And our Hari Sreenivasan speaks to Michael Eric Dyson, professor of sociology at Georgetown University, about this watershed moment in America and what it means for race relations. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Mary Frances Berry, Deval Patrick and Admiral Mike Mullen
Philonise Floyd, brother of the late George Floyd, testified before a House hearing on Wednesday, urging lawmakers to “do the right thing” and take action on police violence. Meanwhile, coronavirus continues to rage in the U.S., spiking in 19 states, and taking a severe toll on black communities. Christiane Amanpour speaks to Mary Frances Berry, former Chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, about the interplay between democracy, racism and health at this crucial moment in America’s history. Then, to achieve lasting change, innovation will be needed not just in police departments, but in education, health and economic policy. Christiane speaks to Deval Patrick, former Governor of Massachusetts, about the structural reform America needs to see. And our Walter Isaacson speaks to Admiral Mike Mullen, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about why he chose to speak out after the National Guard were used to disperse protesters in Washington, and he gives his take on the growing militarization of America’s domestic police force. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Bill Moyers, Afua Hirsch, Eusebius McKaiser and Mike Johnson
As George Floyd is laid to rest in his hometown of Houston, Texas, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is calling for “transformative structural change”. Christiane Amanpour is joined by Bill Moyers, the broadcaster and journalist who served in Lyndon Johnson’s White House. They reflect on how the death of George Floyd has impacted America, and what this powerful moment of moral reckoning, in the midst of a health crisis and during an election year, might lead to? The calls for racial equality in the wake of Floyd’s death have spread beyond geographic boundaries, influencing many around the world to reflect on the failings of their own societies. Christiane speaks to Afua Hirsch, journalist and author of "Brit(ish)", and Eusebius McKaiser, broadcaster and author of "Run Racist Run", about the need for many nations to confront their colonial histories anew. And our Walter Isaacson is joined by Chairman of the U.S. House Republican Study Committee, Mike Johnson, to discuss systemic change in America, police reform and how he feels about President Trump's handling of the crisis. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Thenjiwe McHarris, Alex Vitale, Adam Kinzinger and Roula Khalaf
Black Lives Matter protests inspired by the killing of George Floyd continued around the world over the weekend. Minneapolis City Council is now pledging to dismantle the police department, and replace it with community-based strategies, but not everyone agrees that abolishing the department is the right approach. Christiane Amanpour is joined by Thenjiwe McHarris, a strategist for The Movement for Black Lives, and Alex Vitale, coordinator of the Policing and Social Justice Project at Brooklyn College, to discuss what defunding the police could look like. And then, partisan politics has played a major role in conversations around police defunding, with only one Republican senator having come out in favor so far. U.S. House Republican Adam Kinzinger spent the weekend serving in the National Guard in Wisconsin and he joins Christiane to give his perspective on the defunding initiative and reflect on President Trump’s now infamous photo opportunity outside St John's Church, Washington. And Editor of the Financial Times, Roula Khalaf, speaks to our Walter Isaacson about how the Trump administration’s response to the current protests is impacting America’s moral authority and where the U.S. now stands in relation to the world’s autocracies. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Keith Ellison, Anne Applebaum, Eliot Cohen and Vanita Gupta
Christiane Amanpour is joined by Minnesota Attorney General, Keith Ellison, who is now the lead prosecutor in the George Floyd case. They discuss the charges filed against the four police officers involved in Floyd’s death and the challenges of winning convictions in a justice system that traditionally favors the police. Then, when riot police were brought in to clear peaceful protesters outside the White House, it was a tipping point for many in the military. Dean of SAIS at John Hopkins University, Eliot Cohen, and historian and staff writer at The Atlantic, Anne Applebaum, set this historic event in context. And our Hari Sreenivasan speaks to Vanita Gupta, a civil rights lawyer who worked under former President Obama as the Acting Attorney General and Head of the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division. Having led the investigation into the police department in Ferguson, Missouri, after the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, Gupta explains why the changes need to go far beyond just police reform. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Rear Admiral John Kirby, General John Allen, Paul van Zyl, Vincent Warren and Mark Bray
Protests and marches inspired by the death of George Floyd continue across the U.S. and beyond, while in Minneapolis, mourners gather at his memorial service. President Trump has called for tough action against the protesters, encouraging the deployment of active-duty military officers to quell domestic protests. Christiane Amanpour is joined by former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, retired Rear Admiral John Kirby and former Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan, General John Allen, to dissect the impact that these domestic deployments are having on military morale, and the role of the military in American democracy. Then, as America wrestles with deep-seated racism and police brutality, what lessons can be learnt from South Africa’s experience after apartheid and the idea of restorative justice? Christiane speaks to former Executive Secretary of the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission, Paul van Zyl, and Executive Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, Vincent Warren. And our Michel Martin discusses ANTIFA, the anti-fascist group that President Trump is blaming for this week’s violence, with Mark Bray, lecturer and author of "Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook". To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: James Clyburn, Marc Lotter, Cedric L. Alexander and Charlamagne tha God
People across the U.S. and beyond continue to unite in protest and solidarity over the death of George Floyd, the unarmed black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck. Christiane Amanpour is joined by James Clyburn, U.S. House Majority Whip, who is the most senior serving African American congressman and himself grew up during American segregation. Then Marc Lotter, director of strategic communications for Trump 2020, discusses the criticism leveled at President Trump over his handling of the crisis, and the campaign’s re-election strategy. Cedric L. Alexander, former president of the National Organisation of Black Law Enforcement Executives, talks to Christiane about the Minnesota Department of Human Rights’ recently launched investigation into the Minneapolis Police Department’s practices over the last 10 years. And our Michel Martin speaks with Charlamagne tha God, co-host of The Breakfast Club radio show, about his recent interview with Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden and America’s original sin. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Symone Sanders, Scott Jennings, Karen Bass and Bryan Stevenson
Stark scenes outside the White House on Monday evening as federal police forcibly cleared a path through a group of largely peaceful protesters in order for President Trump to walk from the White House to St John's Episcopal Church. Meanwhile, former Vice President Joe Biden was out visiting protest sites and advocating for leadership that overcomes fear and division. Christiane Amanpour is joined by Symone Sanders, senior adviser to the Biden campaign, and then Scott Jennings, former special assistant to former President George W. Bush, to discuss this contrast in leadership. Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, Karen Bass, explains what can be done legislatively to address the racial injustice plaguing America and reflects on next steps for the Congressional Black Caucus. And our Walter Isaacson speaks to Bryan Stevenson, founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, about solutions to the current crisis: from fundamentally rethinking American policing, to embracing truth and reconciliation. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Eleanor Holmes Norton, Martin Luther King III, DeRay Mckesson, Art Acevedo and Nikole Hannah-Jones
Protests continue to roll through over 100 U.S. cities in the wake of the death of George Floyd last week. Christiane Amanpour is joined by congresswoman for the District of Columbia, Eleanor Holmes Norton, to discuss the importance of justice and her experience during the Freedom Summer of 1964. Civil rights activist Martin Luther King III and Campaign Zero co-founder DeRay Mckesson, talk to Christiane about the violence of the current protests and the need to make yourself heard at the ballot box. Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, tells Christiane why he joined marchers over the weekend and explains why he thinks that law enforcement should condemn the killing of George Floyd. And New York Times journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones, who spearheaded the paper’s 1619 project, contextualizes the current situation into the broader narrative of slavery in America. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Rev. Jesse Jackson, Melvin Carter, Eric Fischl and Oskar Eustis
As protests over the death of George Floyd rage from coast to coast, Christiane Amanpour speaks to civil rights leader Reverend Jesse Jackson about institutionalized racism and inequality in the United States. Melvin Carter, Mayor of Minneapolis’ twin city St Paul, discusses the latest news on the ground and the charges brought against Derek Chauvin, the police officer filmed kneeling on Floyd’s neck shortly before his death. Artist Eric Fischl reflects on the complex relationship between art and trauma. And artistic director of The Public Theater Oskar Eustis, talks to our Michel Martin about why he says theatre and democracy are inextricably linked. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Chuck Schumer, David Brooks and Dr. Cara Natterson
The United States is shaken over the tragic death of George Floyd, the 46-year old unarmed black man from Minneapolis who died after a police officer held him down by kneeling on his neck. Christiane Amanpour is joined by U.S. Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer to discuss the situation in the country and President Trump’s threat to regulate, or even close down, social media platforms. During a time when many of us are experiencing personal and professional losses, it can be hard to find purpose. Author and New York Times columnist David Brooks talks to Christiane about his new book “The Second Mountain: A Quest for a Moral Life” and imaging a future amidst uncertainty. And being a teenager is hard at the best of times, let alone during a global pandemic. Our Michel Martin ask paediatrician and parenting expert Dr. Cara Natterson all the questions that parents want the answers to. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Martha McSally, Kevin Sheekey and Matt Ridley
Humanity stands on the edge of another milestone in space exploration, the first launch of humans into orbit by a private company, Space X. Christiane Amanpour is joined by Martha McSally, the U.S. Air Force’s first female combat jet pilot and now Republican Senator for Arizona. Covid-19 has killed thousands worldwide and triggered a severe recession. Governments are keen to get people back to work, but contact-tracing technology is vital make this possible. Kevin Sheekey, close aide to Mike Bloomberg and campaign manager during his presidential run, discusses Bloomberg's $10.5 million donation to this effort and how the initiatives are going. And our Walter Isaacson is joined by Matt Ridley, British journalist and science writer, who talks about how the coronavirus pandemic is affecting innovation and his latest book "How Innovation Works: And Why It Flourishes in Freedom". To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Anna Soubry, Mark Landler, Drew Dixon, Joan Morgan and JR
As the UK edges closer to 40,000 coronavirus deaths, there is uproar in the country over the behavior of Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s chief political advisor Dominic Cummings, who drove nearly 300 miles across England while the public were being urged not to leave their homes. Mr Cummings stands unapologetic, and with the support of the Prime Minister behind him, is this another example of one rule for the people and one for the elite? Anna Soubry, former UK Health Minister, and Mark Landler, London bureau chief at The New York Times, join Christiane Amanpour to discuss the controversy. Music producer Drew Dixon and author Joan Morgan talk to Christiane about ‘Off the Record’, an HBO documentary chronicling the allegations of sexual assault made against hip hop mogul Russell Simmons. They reflect on how black women have been treated by the #MeToo movement, and why the film almost didn’t make it to air. And French street artist JR, known for his giant photographs of faces in urban areas, tells our Hari Sreenivasan about how lockdown is inspiring him. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Michael D'Antonio, David Urban, Curtis Sittenfeld and Scott Galloway
As Americans honour their military service people on Memorial Day, the country edges closer to another landmark, 100,000 coronavirus deaths. President Trump has been widely criticized for this handling of the pandemic, and for his behaviour over the weekend. Christiane Amanpour is joined by Michael D'Antonio, author of "The Truth About Trump", and David Urban, a member of President Trump's 2020 advisory committee. Curtis Sittenfeld talks to Christiane about her new book "Rodham", which imagines an America in which Hillary Clinton did not marry Bill and asks what Hillary Rodham might have achieved. And Hari Sreenivasan talks to Scott Galloway, professor of marketing at NYU Stern School of Business, about how the coronavirus may reshape the landscape of higher education in America, and why it might be a good time to take a gap year. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Amy Walter, Jack Saul, Dr. Helene Gayle and Angélique Kidjo
As America feels the toll of the coronavirus, it is drawing closer to the November election where President Trump is set to face off against Democratic nominee Joe Biden. Amy Walter, the national editor of the Cook Political Report, joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss how the U.S. presidential race is shaping up. Around the world people are struggling in lockdown, separated from loved ones and trying to prevent the spread of Covid-19; all of which is having a massive strain on our mental health. Psychologist Jack Saul unpacks how this trauma and how best to treat it. Dr. Helene Gayle is the current president and CEO of The Chicago Community Trust and previously worked for 20 years at the CDC - she digs into why the mortality rate is much higher for black Americans with our Michel Martin. She explains why economic inequality is the key. And finally, Angélique Kidjo, singer and UNICEF goodwill ambassador, reflects on the healing power of music and what motivated her to reinvent Miriam Makeba’s famous South African hit ‘Pata Pata.’ To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Peter Piot, Dorothy Duffy, Anand Giridharadas, Sue Stuart-Smith and Ron Finley
Peter Piot is the director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and is still recovering from coronavirus after being diagnosed back in March. He joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss his ordeal as well as the global response. When Dorothy Duffy sadly lost her older sister to Covid-19, who was living in a care home at the time, she wrote a beautiful and emotive poem to highlight how she is not just a statistic. She reads some of that poignant piece and explains her thought process. Then our Hari Sreenivasan talks to Anand Giridharadas, author of “Winners Take All”, about hosting his new Vice TV show, "Seat At The Table". He questions the seat of power and money in the United States and argues why society must adapt if we are to prosper. And Finally - Sue Stuart-Smith, psychiatrist and author of "The Well-Gardened Mind", and Ron Finley, who calls himself "The Gangsta Gardener", explain why gardening is much more than just tending to your plants. They reflect on the psychological and health benefits that it holds, particularly whilst we are confined to our homes. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Helle Thorning-Schmidt, Nikole Hannah-Jones, Richard Haass and Anya Hindmarch
Helle Thorning-Schmidt, co-chair of the Facebook oversight board, joins Christiane Amanpour to discuss the threat disinformation and conspiracy theories pose when gone unchecked. Thorning-Schmidt says that, over time, the board could challenge Facebook's community standards and impact its ads and its algorithm. Nikole Hannah-Jones won a Pulitzer Prize for The 1619 Project in the New York Times; a project that attempts to re-examine the legacy of slavery in the United States. She explains how journalist and civil rights leader Ida N. Wells became her source of inspiration and why today COVID-19 disproportionately affects African Americans. Our Walter Isaacson speaks to Richard Haass, author of "The World: A Brief Introduction," about why we as a world need to abandon rivalry and embrace cooperation if we are to solve not only the current pandemic but future crises such as climate change and terrorism. He reflects of the challenges of modern globalization and the tensions between the U.S. and China. And finally – Anya Hindmarch handbag and accessories Designer has turned her talents to help the NHS. She describes her “holdster” design for frontline health workers so they can carry personal items whilst saving lives. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Bob Menendez, Susan Glasser, Ed Luce, Jonathan Nez and Satya Nadella
Democratic Senator from New Jersey Bob Menendez joins Christiane Amanpour to unpack President Trump's decision to fire State Department Inspector General Steve Linick. He reflects on this decision and current administration's general behaviour. Susan Glasser, staff writer at The New Yorker, and Ed Luce, the U.S. national editor of the Financial Times, draw parallels between Washington under Trump and Moscow under Putin. Then the Navajo Nation president discusses the high number of coronavirus cases in his community and the challenges the Navajos are facing. He argues they are being pushed aside. Satya Nadella is the third ever Microsoft CEO and he is known for transforming the company using his unique style of leadership rooted in empathy. He talks to our Walter Isaacson about how the tech world are innovating and creating whilst in lockdown. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Atul Gawande, Julie Andrews, Emma Walton Hamilton and Guillaume Long
Dr. Atul Gawande, surgeon at Brigham and Women's Hospital, talks to Christiane Amanpour about the key steps to safely re-opening the United States and around the world. He delves into the lessons that can be learnt from hospitals as well as how we address mortality during the pandemic. Then – actress Julie Andrews is perhaps the most well-known nanny in the world; her iconic roles in “Mary Poppins” and “The Sound of Music” are cultural cornerstones. Her daughter Emma Walton Hamilton is an arts educator and children's author who she has collaborated with on several books. They speak about working on their new podcast series ‘Julie’s Library’ and why it’s important to release your imagination during lockdown. Finally, our Hari Sreenivasan talks to Guillaume Long, the former Ecuador Minister of Foreign Affairs, about the danger Covid-19 poses to democracy in Latin America. They reflect on the shocking pictures of carboard coffins and bodies left on the side of the streets in the small South American country. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Ed Yong, Gary Lineker and Tom Nichols
As the U.S. nears 90,000 coronavirus deaths, the WHO this week warned that the virus may never go away, making a vaccine the holy grail. President Trump promised a vaccine at 'warp speed' on Friday, a much faster timetable than many experts predict. Christiane Amanpour speaks to Ed Yong, science writer at The Atlantic, about the science behind the virus. Meanwhile the eyes of many sports fans will be on the German Bundesliga this weekend as it becomes the first major European soccer league to return amid the coronavirus pandemic. Former English football player Gary Lineker talks to Christiane about the impact the virus is having on the sporting world. And our Hari Sreenivasan talks to Tom Nichols, author of "The Death of Expertise", about the increasing tension between science and politics and how it informs the current health crisis. To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amanpour: Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Paolo Gentiloni, Dr. Boris Lushniak and Sarah Lewis
Christiane Amanpour is joined by Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, the former President of Liberia, to talk about how the coronavirus is affecting Africa, and her own experience leading, and winning, the battle against Ebola in 2014. Former Italian Prime Minister and current EU Economy Commissioner, Paolo Gentiloni, reflects on the struggle for unity amongst the European bloc, and the uncertainty around Europe's tourist season. Dr. Boris Lushniak, former U.S. Acting Surgeon General, discusses the controversies around America's search for a vaccine, including Dr. Rick Bright's stark warning to Congress on Thursday. And our Walter Isaacson speaks to Sarah Lewis, an associate Professor at Harvard University, about why it's important to have a visual record of the human cost of the coronavirus.To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices