Where Will You Go

Radio Free Mormon: Where Will You Go: 038 Marti chats with RFM about his motivations for podcasting. Should The Church of Latter-Day Saints be given the benefit of the doubt? Is there an off ramp for the church? RFM Episode 1: https://youtu.be/oC1jmy2BExw?si=zTv9ul6vNaAu6OmV radiofreemormon.org Where Will You Go Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97qConnect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti talks to the host of Mormonism with the Murph. They talk about his time away from the church and what brought him back. They talk about his approach to church history and trying to argue against the strongest points that critics of the church have. The Murph’s Book of Mormon playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeHiJ8IX2ZRBdPZ9otOTy3EvdenMCmEK8&si=QMcXknU0tilczqs2 The Murph’s final thoughts on the Book of Mormon: https://youtu.be/USOturjYpV4?si=Qyn32GDORKNNbNvK LDS Truth Claims: https://www.youtube.com/@ldstruthclaims3793 Where Will You Go Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97qConnect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Seth is the creator of Transcendent Philosophy where he likes to present and discuss ideas that can help humans transcend the problems they encounter. They talk about his Latter-Day Saint background and his experience with painful health problems and finding meaning in life. They also discuss some of the ideas that he talks about at his blog and youtube channel. Seth’s blog: transcendentphilos.wixsite.com/website Seth’s “Philosophy of Suffering” video: https://youtu.be/FJRv-mZqWuk?si=0k3UhT0U4Dy7sRtI The Giver review: https://youtu.be/FaY-dqVkChc?si=oyz8FlQjUcKe8EDK Where Will You Go Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti and Troy talk about what it was like leaving the church in the 90’s and what he has been up to since then. “Troy Leavitt was a lead designer at Warner Bros. development studio Avalanche Software and worked the controversial Harry Potter game Hogwarts Legacy. He also ran a reactionary YouTube channel focused on attacking feminism and social justice for over a year.” (https://kotaku.com/hogwarts-legacy-lead-designer-used-to-run-anti-social-j-1846316222) Troy’s Youtube Channel:www.youtube.com/@TroyLeavitt One of the videos that upset some of the gaming community:https://youtu.be/Q5GGc7RJTZw?si=f6FDB7-XwgJoY3zg Jacob Hansen vs. Troy Leavitt on morality:https://youtu.be/Ma2CtFaJyTs?si=ft_KWJIHIhH8kuq8 Troy on Latter-Day Skeptic:https://youtu.be/VOBX6GOOpcc?si=kJ8wSCU_ZoLl9rmu Penn Jillette Libertarianism and COVIDhttps://youtu.be/XeZL-vsjSoo?si=8yswlkq2Aig41dst Where Will You Go Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97qConnect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti talks to Britt about her no nonsense approach to spirituality and her focus on what comes after deconstruction. nononsensespirituality.com/courses almostawakened.org/ Barbie & the Heroine’s Journey: Almost Awakened 166: www.youtube.com/live/OWuF88LOu-s?si=LyrKLcwJiJ49BqN_ Britt’s embedded tictok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nononsensespirituality/video/7199336398778879275 Where Will You Go Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti: www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti gets to chat with a particularly evil apostate, Jonathan Streeter, who is the creator of the Thought on Things and Stuff blog and Youtube channel. They talk about his content and how his focus has changed over time. 7ipgGMXfmkUUSFfVbJZ1 Blog Link: thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@thoughtsonthingsandstuff974 Jonathan’s Is it Culty quiz: isitculty.com Audience Capture Skit: https://youtu.be/dQkb5Phct1U?si=rnXgUZCvI8Nn-6BP Where Will You Go Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97qConnect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

All About René: Where Will You Go: 032 Marti asks René Stillman about her background and what it is like being in a mixed faith marriage. They talk about her podcast, She Became Visible, under the Mormon Discussions umbrella and why she started it and what her podcast is about. René’s podcast: https://shebecamevisible.org/ Jean Brody Episode: https://www.youtube.com/live/DhP5SujTXRY?si=_6wv8nR6DiDjQzJX Where Will You Go Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97qConnect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Recorded September 14, 2023 Marti asks Jon about his background and his project at Uplift Kids and the Spiritual Parenting Podcast. His team aims to give parents resources for an expansive approach to spirituality. Which means they develop curriculum based on wisdom traditions around the word and scientific research. Uplift Kids Website: https://upliftkids.org/ Spiritual Parenting Podcast: https://upliftkids.org/podcast/ Thomas McConkie and Terryl Givens: https://youtu.be/HhRYpd8g6UE?si=cvwE2CmhrctZUnoX Awakening From the Meaning Crisis: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ&si=Z9-RC9k4QwsoD8VS Brian D. McLaren: Faith After Doubt: Why Your Beliefs Stopped Working and What to Do About It

Marti and Daniel Ortner discuss his beliefs and how they have changed over time. This was recorded in September 2023. Daniel’s transition from Judaism to atheism to member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints https://youtu.be/TvRVjrWzOYU?si=B9for-O5srR2_cJJ MBR interviews Daniel Ortner who describes his faith journey into and out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. https://youtu.be/-YiGaElGAV4?si=kZzKCjy5AXuP2zaD Unveiling Grace Podcast by Lynn & Michael Wilder: Daniel’s interview is episodes 243, 244, and 245. Pinecreek Theorem: https://youtu.be/BEKF2Os-lYk?si=fzRX2ndihmIrE9Uu “Women have converted more men than the Holy Spirit could ever do.” Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173 Where Will You Go Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q

Marti and Scott discuss Scott’s background and podcast, Rameumptom Ruminations. https://rameumptomruminations.org/ Rameumptom Ruminations Youtube Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjc8kj5jL-DXnLTx37tZ1GNP&si=iV4WyxC08yGa0FHL Scott’s Episodes with Brian Harris https://youtu.be/l6J2GFHpJhQ?si=pPjfUyBy2VjaSv6f https://youtu.be/Z461DIVA-ns?si=dxXnLvHo8cJvwn7H https://youtu.be/C_ZEIR46DK8?si=99-ej5z5gJUppU2G Rameumptom Ruminations: 002: On Covenants and the Impermanence of Things https://youtu.be/78tWLC3fBUg?si=VuiFYb7h5nlNT-2- Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173 Where Will You Go Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q 00:00 Intro 01:19 What is your 2 minute Mormon story? 04:24 Why are you podcasting? 11:34 Are you afraid of audience capture? 16:04 Is the LDS church a net positive or net negative? 21:03 Positive and negative feedback of Rameumptom Ruminations. 28:50 What has been the worst part about changing your beliefs? 32:40 What is something that you believe that may surprising to a Latter-Day Saint? 36:46 Is there anything that you said as your beliefs were changing that you regret? 38:64 Do you ever second guess the decision to leave the church? 45:34 What bugs you the most about the church? 57:52 What do you like about the church? 48:49 What bugs you about the post Mormon world? 50:27 What do you like about the post Mormon world? 52:08 How do people find you? What are your favorite episodes of Rameumptum Ruminations?

Marti and Hayden talk about his background and why he engages publicly. They also talk about the foundation of morality. Hayden on the 2 Witnesses Podcast: https://youtu.be/Qu2Wxxc6GpA https://youtu.be/1bKjCPF8Hi8 https://youtu.be/994OgWhz7Bc Formal Debate LDS vs Calvinists: https://youtu.be/MXu-EEZqxaE Sam Harris and Jonathan Haidt on Moral Relativism https://youtu.be/9l06Qo3gN6M?t=2215 00:00 Intro 00:03:13 Has the Church updated what is taught in Seminary? Are you discouraged from engaging publicly as a Seminary teacher? 00:07:40 How did the debate with the Calvinist Christians come about? Was the debate productive? 00:17:43 Atheists don’t make any positive claims and some tangents including interpretation of the bible. 00:27:01 Moral Relativism 00:32:55 100% certainty 01:00:41 Is street epistemology good? Do you need the belief in God to have a value structure? 01:36:46 Why are people choosing secular world views over religious world views? 01:56:37 Why is church history a problem for so many members?

Marti talks to an Evengelical Christian, Eric Johnson. 00:04:26 What is a Christian ministry? 00:06:17 Are all Christians the same? 00:10:46 How do you decide which church to go to? 00:14:20 Getting burned from Mormonism. The case for Christianity over atheism. 00:16:51 Aren’t Christians churches losing members too? 00:18:48 The case for Christianity over atheism continued 00:25:31 How do you find the balance between too legalistic and too progressiive? 00:30:25 Either Christianity is true or not true. Black and white thinking or logically consistent? 00:40:14 What is a belief you changed? 00:48:54 Are Latter-Day Saints Christians? 00:55:21 Can Latter Day Saints be Christian? 00:59:35 What defines biblical Christianity? 1:08:38 Do Christians get lazy by focusing so much on grace? 1:12:47 Do you need to believe in miracles to be Christian? 1:16:34 Christian unity depsite difference in beliefs. Kalam cosmological argument. 1:20:34 Comparing Bart ehrman to Jana Riess 1:24:58 How do you know God’s authority is in the bible? 1:38:45 Christian councils. Why don’t they happen anymore? 1:42:13 How were the books in the bible decided? 1:47:35 Reading the bible and not getting anything from it. Different translations of the bible. 1:52:52 Do you have to have a literal belief? 2:03:55 Christians roll playing an atheist Mormonism Research Ministry: www.mrm.org Podcast: Viewpoint on Mormonism by Mormonism Research Ministry: https://www.mrm.org/podcast Eric Johnson’s Book: Introducing Christianity to Mormons Jana Riess Book: The Next Mormons: How Millennials Are Changing the LDS Church Sean McDowell and Eric Johnson: Is There a Crisis in the LDS Church?: https://youtu.be/nXCoEr8kILA Sean McDowell roll plays an atheist: https://youtu.be/R0rZOzdqlO8 Conversations across difference divides: Sean McDowell talks deconversion with Jon Steingard (from Christian rock band, Halk Nelson): https://www.youtube.com/live/LdNQN18jRTU?feature=share Sean McDowell talks to GMSkeptic (atheist): https://www.youtube.com/live/VJX28l54YxE?feature=share Church Shopping? utahchurches.org Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173 Where Will You Go Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q

Marti asks Dusty Smith about how his views of the church have changed over the years. From convert to anti-mormon and coming full circle to practicing member (the story all our families are praying for). He now tells his story at firesides and has been featured on Saints Unscripted and The Come Back Podcast. Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173 Where Will You Go Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q

Marti and Anthony talk about the post mormon world and content. They discuss why they produce content and some of their favorite projects they have participated in. They talk about books and content that has been influential to them. They discuss their theories on why post mormons seem to lean left politically. Anthony asks Marti about 3practices and why she participates and what benefits she thinks it has. Relationships Across Difference Divides: https://youtu.be/8daKwVx4vUc Anthony’s Channel, Life After Deconstruction: https://www.youtube.com/@lifeafterdeconstruction3897 Anthony’s Tedx talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIMnJnFBBUk Faith After Doubt Episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/live/3iFBEtHQZqI?feature=share Faith After Doubt Episode 2: https://www.youtube.com/live/XdYKYKwabBU?feature=share Faith After Doubt Episode 3: https://www.youtube.com/live/VVmL2aXhis4?feature=share Chris Kimball’s Book: Living on the Inside of the Edge Peter Enn’s Book: The Sin of Certainty Brené Brown’s Book: Braving the Wilderness Brian Mclaren’s Book: Do I Stay Christian?: A Guide for the Doubters, the Disappointed, and the Disillusioned Jordan Peterson’s Book: Maps of Meaning Jonathan Haidts Books: Coddling of the American Mind and The Righteous Mind Jordan Peterson’s Maps of Meaning Online Lecture (Marti watched and recommends the 2017 videos): https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQCn5nTAx65NRlh1EsKD0UQD Harris Pererson Debate 1: https://youtu.be/jey_CzIOfYE Harris Peterson Debate 2: https://youtu.be/GEf6X-FueMo Harris Peterson Debate 3: https://youtu.be/PqpYxD71hJU Harris Peterson Debate 4: https://youtu.be/aALsFhZKg-Q 3practice.com/upcomingcircles Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173 Where Will You Go Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q

Marti and Forrest talk about his Latter-Day Saint background and what led to Forrest creating the Latter Day Skeptic youtube channel. Marti was also a guest on his channel. Forrest interviewed Marti: https://youtu.be/N8J6SkeyVj0 Forrest’s channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_OLgYr-2rd8GwfFLUB-zMA John Dehlin’s Ted Talk: https://youtu.be/0MxCXjfAunk Where Will You Go Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti talks with Nathan from the Digital Gnosis Channel. Nathan talks about his conversion to Christianity and deconversion from Christianity. They discuss their disagreements around politics, particularly around the ways of thinking promoted by Jordan Peterson and similar thinkers. Digital Gnosis Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@DigitalGnosis How nathan became Christian: https://youtu.be/d7jgiXNR_fI Nathan talks to Doug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eezPOCZVTI0&t=945s Nathan talks to Doug again: https://youtu.be/lmrnWhBfU9w Why Nathan is no longer Christian: https://www.youtube.com/live/s7TO6envUV4?feature=share Atheist Nathan looks back at Christian Nathan: https://youtu.be/UCT4PT6zlAY Nathan Invervies James Fodor: https://www.youtube.com/live/Xxd9M1gmoFQ?feature=share Nathan’s reccomended philosophy of religion scholars: Karen Armstrong, Helen De Cruz, Kenny Pearce, Eleonore Stump, Ian Mills, Laura Robinson, Kamil Gregor, Philosphy Overdose, Kane Baker, Joe Schmid from Majesty of Reason, and Don Cupitt. Do Free Societies Need Postmodernism? Stephen Hicks vs. Thaddeus Russel: https://youtu.be/Qb9Eajt0KVA James Lindsay addresses criticism that he is a conpiracy theorist: https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-conspiracy-theory/ Where Will You Go Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti talks with Careb Marcell who converted to to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and after practicing for 13 years left and now particpates in a non-denominational Christian church and has personal relationship with God. They talk about her life, religious beliefs, and political beliefs.Careb’s youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CarobMarcelle Where Will You Go Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Jack Vaughn did the Trump voice for my interview with Joseph Smith. In this interview we talk about his former Christian beliefs and how he got to where he is. Interview with Joseph Smith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqqYTlhV8Ls&t Jack’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JackToSquareOne Where Will You Go Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Credits to Jack Vaughn, his interview is forthcoming.Jack’s Music: https://youtu.be/5How9h8vURI

Marti and Bill discuss his relationship with the Latter-Day Saint beliefs and where Bill’s beliefs are now. They discuss why he has chosen to create Mormon Dicussions and what motivates him. They talk a bit about the type of content that gets support or not. After Skool: The Illusion of MONEY, TIME & EGO – Alan Watts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYSQ1NF1hvw After Skool: AUDIENCE CAPTURE – How “Influencers” Become Brainwashed by Their Audiences:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX2RpY_dj9Y Feeling Good Together with David Burns: https://youtu.be/O5PYe0XIMhY Terryl Givens on the Come Back Podcast: https://youtu.be/XpGuoaGmxKY Where Will You Go Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti gets to talk to Cody from the Ubermormon Youtube channel. They talk about Cody’s background, Fowler’s stages of faith, how disorienting it can feel to experience a collapse of belief, nihilism, and how they orient themselves now. Ubermormon stages of faith video: https://youtu.be/21oT3Diq5VY Where Will You Go Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti highlights portions of a livestream she was on at the Pinecreek youtube channel. Doug from the Pinecreek channel is an former Christian that grew up as a Mennonite in Canada. He is part of the Street Epistimology crowd and has his own way of talking to Christians that join him on his Channel. He also enjoys poking fun at Christian apologetic youtube channels. Pinecreek: https://www.youtube.com/@PineCreekDoug Pinecreek Politics: https://www.youtube.com/@pinecreekpolitics BBC Interview discussed during the livestream: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x31u248 Where Will You Go playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdqwduhbikMMP_LOpnog97q Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti talks with Nathan Smith. They talk about his desire to become a therapist, transhumanism, and different philosophies of the self. Is there a “true” self beneath all the socialization? Nathan’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@mindmakesthisworld Nathan’s writings: studionightflight.medium.com Nathan’s Book recommendations: -James Grotstein, Who Is the Dreamer Who Dreams the Dream? – Carl Jung, Red BookConnect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti talks to Ryan Woods, the creator of Lady Maga USA. They discuss his Latter-Day Saint background and his political activism. ladymagaus.com https://twitter.com/LadyMagaUSA Instagram: lmusa1776 https://www.facebook.com/LadyMagaUSA https://www.youtube.com/@ladymagausa7181 Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti interviews Morgan from My Spiritural LIfe and her husband Jared. They talk about how there is more than one way to exmormon, like not hating on Mormons constantly and not falling in line with progressive politics. My Spiritual Life youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@myspiritualife Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Marti and Christopher discuss bridge building, meditation, zen, collapse of belief, and the concept of “self”. Christopher has developed his own takes that go against commonly held new atheist/exmormon ideas. Before The Corws Nest Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@beforethecrowsnest/featured Pincreek Theorem: https://youtu.be/BEKF2Os-lYk Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti and Tony disuss Tony’s Restoration Table Youtube channel and Facebook group. The Facebook group is probably a little less active now in 2022 than it was in 2020. The goal was to create a place where all could come and talk about the restoration. The Restoration Table Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRestorationTableFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/therestorationtableTony on Saints Unscripted: https://youtu.be/0I8KafPGpjMTony on Mormon Discussions with Bill Reel: https://mdpodcast.org/2015/07/tony-fieldson-compelling-reasons-to-believe/Tony on Mormon Book Reviews: https://youtu.be/Hp3zKw8Jhn8Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

In July 2022, Marti interviewed Chris and Flip from the Promo Porch Time YouTube Channel. The channel is described as “A channel for any current LDS, exLDS or neveLDS types who are on the similar pages politically (Classical Liberal, Libertarian, Anarchist, Conservative-anywhere right of authoritarian leftists) and are tired of ‘wokeness’ infiltrating both the LDS and Exmo worlds simultaneously.” Here they discuss growing up as Latter-Day Saints and also how content created by exmormons has changed over time and become more political from their perspective. Promo Porch Time: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk0L0ZZSOmJHyNR-xVKufjw Test taken by Marti: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

“When we like each other, the rules change.” Marti interviews Jim Hancock and Jim Henderson about their philosophy and background behind 3practices. They use the 3practices to discover: “What do we lose when we compromise?” The 3practices are: One . I’ll be unusually interested in others. Two . I’ll stay in the room with difference Three . I’ll stop comparing my best with your worst Participate in an upcoming 3practice circle: https://www.3practices.com/upcoming-circles Find out more about the No Joke feature-length film: https://the3practices.squarespace.com/no-joke-project Also check out the book: Jim and Casper Go to Church by Jim Henderson and Matt Casper Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti and Anna discuss Anna’s super amazing comic called Blossoms In The Apricots that she has written, illustrated and published on webtoons.com. They also discuss her relationship with her husband, who is a practicing Latter-Day Saint and how they have been supporting each other through their mixed faith marriage. You can find Anna’s comic here: https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/blossoms-in-the-apricots/list?title_no=752737 Connect with Anna! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ameelioray/ Email: [email protected] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ameelioray Website: https://annamclarkart.com/ Connect with Marti: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173

Marti interviews Rebecca Bibliotheca and asks about her experience leading up to starting The Good Book Club and what it is all about. Rebecca discusses the dynamic of having older children that are practicing Latter-Day Saints and navigating those relationships and what that experience has been like. To join or find out more information about The Good Book Club: email thegoodbookclub@almostawakened Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Marti shares a presentation she did for The Good Book Club on maintaining relationships across difference divides. Clips of another podcast were shared. Here is a link to the full podcast episode from Neil Sattin’s YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/O5PYe0XIMhY List of books referenced: Feeling Good and Feeling Good Together by David Burns Braving the Wilderness by Brené Brown Bridges by David Ostler How To Have Impossible Conversations by James A. Lindsay and Peter Boghossian The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt To join or find out more information about The Good Book Club: email [email protected] Practice listening at 3practices.com or bridgeslds.com Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Marti finishes her discussion with John Vervaeke. Wisdom is one of the things John Vervaeke studies. They discuss how wisdom is defined. John Vervaeke shares his experience of recognizing the trauma he experienced while practicing in a fundamentalist Christian religion. What is the meaning crisis? Why should we care? Marti shares her desire to work on relationships across difference divides. Awakening from the Meaning Crisis: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ Paper Discussed: The Science of Wisdom in a Polarized World: Knowns and Unknowns -AUTHORS: Igor Grossmann, Nic M. Weststrate, Monika Ardelt, Justin Brienza, Mengxi Dong, Michel Ferrari, Marc A. Fournier, Chao S. Hu, Howard Nusbaum, John Vervaeke Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Jacob Hansen is an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. In this conversation Marti and Jacob discuss Jacob’s online vs. in person interactions. They discuss epistemology and whether the leaders of his church should be using language like, “I know”. They also discuss what it means to have a fundamental belief. You can find Jacob Hansen at Thoughtful-Faith.com. Jacob’s Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-3WFOCWkUFQcX_1W3NjqAQ/videos Jordan Peterson interview that Marti referred to with timestamp referring to dogmatic belief discussion: https://youtu.be/LbZ9OxrLTVM?t=2624 Elder Oaks: None of the Brethren have seen God, Christ or Angels: https://youtu.be/GrMJ2YZD62M Special Witnesses of the Name of Christ: Bednar Interviewed by Religious Educator: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://rsc.byu.edu/sites/default/files/pub_content/pdf/S%25E2%2580%258Bpecial_Witnesses_of_the_Name_of_Christ.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi1u4vErKLyAhWN4J4KHUmdDsAQFnoECBQQAg&usg=AOvVaw1aoptLMWp7S1IXexnXOA23&cshid=1628457424402 Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Jana describes her church activity. Marti and Jana try to gain clarity about how each other view the way to frame and solve problems. They talk about individual responsibility and the need to update existing structures. Movie referenced by Jana: https://thewisdomoftrauma.com/ We are both trained refs for 3practices. Learn more here: https://www.3practices.com/ View part 1 of Jana’s Mormon Story here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPm3zDbyYy4 Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Marti has a conversation with John Vervaeke about being once committed to a religion and the grieving process that unfolds. They discuss being stuck in grief. They talk about discovering practices that allow for the cultivation of wisdom. Can we realize sacredness in our life outside of organized religion (or within) in a way that is aligned with the acquisition of knowledge? They discuss self deception. Do we really want to know what is real? Even when it is painful? Meaning Crisis Series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Marti (none) and Alejandro (Latter-Day Saint) talk about their common interests. Alejandro describes how he is fulfilled by being a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He also expresses where Jordan Peterson helped him regain meaning after church became meaningless to him for a period of time. Alejandro enjoys bouncing his ideas around in the facebook group called Latter-Day Lobsters and Sorted Saints. He also created a podcast, Latter-Day Lobsters. After School Chinese Farmer Video: https://youtu.be/j4TZMxkxyScLatter-Day Lobster Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCta9jFA_iwRM6uN0lJLLR1gLatter-Day Lobster Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/latterdaylobsters Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

Two formerly active members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints talk about reactions when they left and how relationships with members have been since leaving given some time. My Great and Spacious World https://www.youtube.com/c/MyGreatandSpaciousWorld Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/

How a former member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints navigates the feeling of not belonging anyplace while still actually belonging every place. Great tips for fostering friendships with people who don’t think exactly like yourself. Brené Brown Interview Clip: https://youtu.be/ytWCl8Sb06M The Restoration Table:  https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRestorationTable https://www.facebook.com/groups/therestorationtable The moral roots of liberals and conservatives – Jonathan Haidt https://youtu.be/8SOQduoLgRw Books mentioned:Braving the Wilderness by Brené BrownThe Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt12 Rules For Life by Jordan Peterson Connect with Marti on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/535295228074173/