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1. The inspiring pep talk Bozoma gives herself in the mirror – and why we might all want to start using it to rally ourselves. 2. How to navigate the tightrope of corporate expectations for women: to be both self-assured and humble; both hard and soft. 3. The revolutionary realization that you don’t have to be the savior of others – you can save yourself, too. 4. How to know when to dig deep, and stay and fight for change – and when to stop digging and go – and the moment Bozoma knew it was time to leave Netflix. 5. Why our inability to forgive ourselves for wrong decisions keep us in bad situations – and how Boz’s “it’s not you, it’s me” philosophy can guide us out. About Bozoma: Bozoma Saint John is a Hall of Fame inducted Marketing Executive, author, entrepreneur, and general badass. Boz has led Global Consumer Marketing at Apple Music & iTunes; she was Chief Brand Officer at Uber; and Global Chief Marketing Officer at Netflix. Boz is currently named #1 Most Influential CMO in the world by Forbes, and has been named one of Billboard’s Most Powerful Women in Music for 10 consecutive years. In 2021, Harvard Business School published a multi-media case study on her career, titled “Leading with Authenticity and Urgency”; through which she developed and taught a program at the University aptly named “The Anatomy of a Badass.” Boz was named as an Ambassador for the African Diaspora and Special Envoy to the President of Ghana. In the Spring of 2023, Penguin Books will publish her memoir, “The Urgent Life.” Boz counts her highest achievement as being a mother to her 12 year old daughter, Lael. TW: @badassboz IG: @badassboz

392. Our New Book & Tour! The Secret’s Out (password for tour in pod)! Today is a huge day for the We Can Do Hard Things Pod Squad! Abby, Amanda, and Glennon wrote a new book – We Can Do Hard Things: Answers to Life’s 20 Questions. Please pre-order the book now wherever you buy books or at treatmedia.com! Glennon, Abby, and Amanda are also going on tour for the very first time together! Come, please. Bring a friend. This is what’s needed right now— to gather together—to be in the same room, to celebrate, to truth tell, to comfort each other, to create an evening full of joy, compassion and connection. They have ensured that you get the chance to get tickets before the tour goes on sale publicly, so please secure your seats today using the password/code thetour at treatmedia.com. Click this link and use password/code: thetour *the password/code “thetour” is case sensitive, so please type it in all lowercase, no spaces*

GLORIA STEINEM – who dedicates her life to ensuring we know that we are not broken, but were born into a system intended to break us – lives in the DNA of millions who are giving birth to movements or to themselves. She reminds us why there’s nothing more radical than telling the truth of our lives, and listening to the truth of others’ lives. She reminds us that leaving our lives unlived is no badge of honor. She reminds us of the thirst-quenching, life-giving, revolutionary power of laughter. She reminds us of the three different kinds of laughter, and that we can do hard things – like laugh our way to liberation. About Gloria: Gloria Steinem is a writer, lecturer, political activist, and feminist organizer. She has spent decades traveling in this and other countries as an organizer and lecturer and is a frequent media spokeswoman on issues of equality. She is particularly interested in the shared origins of sex and race caste systems, gender roles and child abuse as roots of violence, non-violent conflict resolution, the cultures of Indigenous Peoples, and organizing across boundaries for peace and justice. She lives in New York City. TW: @GloriaSteinem IG: @gloriasteinem

Award-winning journalist, Jessica Yellin, and Amanda are together in-person, broadcasting from Washington, D.C. where Jessica has been reporting on President Trump’s recent address to Congress. Today, they follow the money to show us where this administration's priorities are – plus, a way to help organizations who are making a difference in the fight for democracy. -How the U.S. is increasingly shifting away from allies and aligning with Russia -The Oval Office ambush of President Zelensky and its fallout -How Trump’s tariffs are negatively affecting the U.S. economy -The effort to weaken Social Security & Medicaid and what it could mean for the future Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand -- dedicated to helping you manage your “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy, Peabody and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent. You can follow her on Instagram at Jessica Yellin. And also, to get real time, clear and brilliant reporting, go to substack.com and search for her page newsnotnoise and subscribe there.

1. The Mother of Codependence shares the difference between healthy and unhealthy helping. 2. The daily practice that helps Melody stop controlling others and “Let Life Happen.” 3. Why no one is able to gaslight you more than you. 4. The one area of life where Codependence is necessary. 5. All four of us surrender to the truth that we will never be Codependent No More. About Melody: A pioneering voice in self-help literature, Melody Beattie is the author of many bestselling books, including Codependent No More – a #1 New York Times bestseller, which has sold over 7 million copies – as well as The Language of Letting Go, Playing It by Heart, The Grief Club, and Beyond Codependency. An updated edition of the bestselling, modern classic, Codependent No More, is available now. Melody lives in Southern California. TW: @MelodyBeattie IG: @authormelodybeattie

390. Manifestation: Is it Real or BS? Today we have a treat for you. Abby’s excited, Glennon is nervous and Amanda’s skeptical because we are finally talking about…MANIFESTATION. What is it, is it BS, or could magic actually be real? We also discuss the deeper stories that the current interest in manifestation tells us about the culture and world we live in. -Is manifestation real and empowering or is it just another way to feel bad about ourselves? -If there’s a connection between neuroscience and manifestation -Whether some of the disdain for or mistrust of manifestation *could* be rooted in sexism -What individual manifestation misses and how we can use it for collective good

Glennon and Abby welcome their dear friend Cameron Esposito to discuss: 1. Cameron’s brutiful relationship with her body–and how it feels playing a sexy TV role. 2. The way Cameron grew up using humor as self-defense and to become socially “valuable”–and the moment she wondered if comedy was no longer working for her. 3. Why Cameron says she’s able to cry for the first time in 35 years. 4. How as a gender-nonconforming queer kid, Cameron felt “overnoticed”–and how being a comedian allows her to “hide in plain sight." 5. The rule Cameron and Glennon made to help them become better at friendship. CW: eating disorders About Cameron: Cameron Esposito is a queer, gender non-conforming standup comic, actor, writer and host. As a standup, Cameron has headlined tours and festivals nationwide and internationally. As an actor and host, Cameron has been seen across television and film, appearing in big budget films and beloved Sundance indies, and on Netflix, HBO, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, Starz, Comedy Central, Logo, TBS, IFC, E! and Cartoon Network. Cameron's podcast, Queery, features hour long conversations with some of the brightest luminaries in the LGBTQ+ community, including Emmy and Grammy winning performers, Olympians, politicians, even an astronaut. Cameron's writing has been published by The New York Times, Vulture/New York Magazine, Vanity Fair, Bon Appetit, Refinery29 and more. Cameron's first book, Save Yourself, was an instant bestseller and is available in paperback March of 2022. Next up, Cameron is set to recur on the ABC series A Million Little Things and appear in HBOMax's Moonshot. Cameron lives in Los Angeles and likes to swim. TW: @cameronesposito IG: @cameronesposito

389. One Change to Go From Being Time Poor to Time Rich with Cassie Holmes Chaired professor at UCLA’s Anderson School of Management and best selling author, Cassie Holmes, discusses how much time is enough. She also shares how free time is linked to happiness – and the importance of defining your values to figure out how to spend your time. -The surprising statistic about how much time we spend distracted -The surefire way to finally feel successful in life -How much free time you actually need to be happy -An exercise you can do to help you avoid deathbed regret Cassie Holmes is a chaired professor at UCLA’s Anderson School of Management, an award-winning teacher and researcher on time and happiness, and bestselling author of Happier Hour: How to Beat Distraction, Expand Your Time, and Focus on What Matters Most. The course that she developed and now teaches, Applying the Science of Happiness to Life Design, is among UCLA’s most popular courses for graduate business students and executives.

Elon’s Email Power Grab, What to Do & Why to Have Joy: Calm News with Jessica Yellin Award-winning journalist, Jessica Yellin, breaks down the latest news unfolding in the US and world. Today, Amanda and Jessica discuss Elon Musk’s unprecedented power grab—and what it means for democracy, national security, and your everyday life, as well as Germany’s recent elections, the relationship between the US, Ukraine, and Russia, and a little good news about a recent medical discovery to restore our faith in humanity. -The new demand from Musk that panicked federal employees—and why some consider it a national security crisis -What members of Congress are (and aren’t) doing to stop DOGE -Two urgent actions you can take today to hold government officials accountable -Why joy is a powerful tool of resistance and how to find some today On Jessica: Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering, Webby award-winning independent news brand. Over 1M+ subscribers and followers across Instagram and other digital media rely on Jessica and News Not Noise to understand what matters, which experts to trust, and to manage their “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent for ABC, MSNBC, and CNN. Follow her on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook @JessicaYellin. You can also find the News Not Noise Newsletter on Substack.

388. LIVE from Mexico with Brandi and Catherine Carlile A big treat for you! In our first-ever live podcast recording from the Girls Just Wanna Weekend, Glennon and Abby welcome very special guests, Brandi Carlile and Catherine Carlile, to talk about courage, community, and how to approach all of life’s hard things. Plus, a special live performance of the We Can Do Hard Things theme song! -How Brandi and Catherine think about building and joining communities -What the Girls Just Wanna Weekend is and why it’s so special -Glennon, Abby, Brandi, and Catherine’s advice on self-forgiveness and growth

1. Why Hannah describes her later-in-life Autism Spectrum Disorder diagnosis as “an exfoliation of shame.” 2. How neurodiversity affects Hannah’s relationships–and how she connects to the world through what’s “interesting” instead of what’s “important.” 3. Hannah’s revolutionary commitment to stop using self-deprecating humor about her body, sexuality, and gender–and why we might all consider the same commitment. 4. Why it’s easier for Hannah to share her personal stories “in bulk” on stage instead of one-on-one. 5. What it takes for Hannah to prepare for conversations–like ours on We Can Do Hard Things. About Hannah: Tasmania’s own Hannah Gadsby stopped stand-up comedy in its tracks with her multi-award-winning show, Nanette. When it premiered on Netflix in 2018, it left audiences captivated by her blistering honesty and her singular ability to take them from rolling laughter to devastated silence. Its release and subsequent Emmy and Peabody wins took Nanette (and Hannah) to the world. Hannah’s difficult second album (which was also her eleventh solo show) was named Douglas after her dog. Hannah walked Douglas around the world, selling out the Royal Festival Hall in London, the Opera House in Sydney and the Kennedy Center in DC, a sit-down run in New York and shows across the US, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. Douglas covered Hannah’s autism diagnosis, moving beyond the trauma at the centre of Nanette and instead letting the world see the view from Hannah’s brain – one that sees the world differently but with breathtaking clarity. The show was an Emmy-nominated smash hit and is available throughout the world on Netflix, recorded in Los Angeles. Hannah Gadsby’s “overnight” success was more than ten years in the making, with her award-winning stand-up shows having been a fixture in festivals across Australia and the UK since 2009. She played a character called “Hannah” on the TV series Please Like Me and has hosted multiple art documentaries, inspired by her comedy art lectures. In 2022, Hannah’s first book Ten Steps to Nanette: A Memoir Situation was published by Ballantine, an imprint of Penguin Random House, in the United States, Atlantic in the UK, and Allen & Unwin in Australia. Hannah has done plenty of other things over the course of more than a decade in comedy, but that will do for now. IG: hannah_gadsby TW: HannahGadsby

387. Find Your “Tingle” & Live Wild with Justina Blakeney Multidisciplinary artist and designer – Justina Blakeney – joins Glennon, Abby, and Amanda to discuss living close to one's true self and Justina’s insights on self-expression and creativity. Discover: -How to know whether you’re having a spiritual awakening or a midlife crisis -The beauty of being an outsider -What to do when you get to the goal and say, “Now what?” -How to balance creativity and discipline More on Justina: Justina Blakeney is a multidisciplinary artist, designer, and New York Times Bestselling Author. She is the Founder and Chief Creative Officer of the home décor brand, Jungalow® and the author of several design books including Jungalow; Decorate Wild! and The New Bohemians book series. Justina lives in Los Angeles with her husband, Jason, their kiddo, Ida, her kitties, Juju and Nova, and 52 houseplants.

What is Elon Musk Doing to America Today & What Can You Do About It? Calm News with Jessica Yellin Award-winning journalist, Jessica Yellien, is back to walk us through what's going on right now in our country, and call our attention to very serious developments. We also discuss two things you can do to protect democracy and one thing you can do to protect yourself. -The three main theories on why DOGE and Elon Musk are ruthlessly breaking down our government organizations -The reason why all the people on the left (from moderates to the most liberal) must come together right now -Two actionable ways to protect our country and the one way to protect yourself financially today -The government officials who are standing up for Democracy and how to best support them On Jessica: Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand. Over 1M+ subscribers and followers across Instagram and other digital media rely on Jessica and News Not Noise to understand what matters, which experts to trust, and to manage their “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent for ABC, MSNBC and CNN. Follow her on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @JessicaYellin. You can also find the News Not Noise Newsletter on Substack.

386. How to Talk to Kids About Hard Things: Sonya Renee Taylor Sonya Renee Taylor returns to help us talk to kids about hard things like climate change, racial injustice, and sex. -The three rules to keep in mind when talking to kids about sex or any complex topic -Why sharing reality with your kids protects their self-esteem long-term -How to buy yourself some time when your kid asks you a tough question -The best way to become a reliable narrator and guide for your child Sonya Renee Taylor is one of many hands currently called to midwife the new world. She is a guide, poet, storyteller, vision holder, intuitive astrologer, and evangelist of radical love. She is the author of seven books including the New York Times bestseller The Body Is Not an Apology: The Power of Radical Self Love and her most recent offering for young readers The Book of Radical Answers.

1. How to recognize when you’re dysregulated – so you can slow down and help yourself. 2. The beauty and wisdom in being judgmental, and how that saved Chani’s life. 3. The liberating idea that “The things that happened to me weren’t about me.” 4. How to set and trust boundaries in order to finally rest. About Chani: Chani Nicholas is a Los Angeles-based New York Times bestselling author of You Were Born For This: Astrology for Radical Self-Acceptance. She has been a counseling astrologer for more than 20 years, guiding her community of over 1 million monthly readers to discover and live out their life’s purpose through understanding their birth chart. Chani runs her company with her wife and business partner, Sonya Passi. Together they launched the CHANI app, which offers a personalized, daily understanding of their birth chart. TW: @chaninicholas IG: @chaninicholas

385. The Science of Healing Heartbreak with Florence Williams Author and journalist, Florence Williams discusses the science of heartbreak and the key to healing. -The four crucial steps to take when recovering from heartbreak -What is actually happening in our bodies when we are heartbroken -Glennon’s surprising revelations about her own heartbreak -How heartbreak and awe are intrinsically connected Florence Williams is author of "The Nature Fix" and, most recently, Heartbreak: A Personal and Scientific Journey. Florence explores the connections between humans and the natural world, and reveals the profound psychological and physiological benefits of rewilding our lives.

Calm News with Jessica Yellin: Stay Sane AND Informed By popular demand, we present Calm News with our dear friend, and Award-Winning Journalist, Jessica Yellin. Together, we explore a new approach to consuming the news that keeps you (and us) informed without winding up our nervous systems. -What to do if you find yourself on “the ride” of the news cycle -Why calming your nervous system before consuming the news is crucial—and an effective way to do it -The two top news stories you need to know about—and how to respond proportionately -How to have a witnessing mindset when engaging with the news On Jessica: Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand. Over 1M+ subscribers and followers across Instagram and other digital media rely on Jessica and News Not Noise to understand what matters, which experts to trust, and to manage their “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent for ABC, MSNBC and CNN. Follow her on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @JessicaYellin. You can also find the News Not Noise Newsletter on Substack here: https://newsnotnoisejessicayellin.substack.com/

384. Date Nights: Why they Suck & How to Make them Great Glennon, Abby and Amanda delve into the nuances of salvaging a relationship’s spark or excitement and discuss the role of “date nights” in healthy relationships. Discover: -Why “date night” is NOT a panacea; -Jealousy’s role in our relationships; -Why many people have affairs; and -How to “unknow” your partner and what that means.

At the end of our first full year together, Glennon, Abby, and Amanda reflect on We Can Do Hard Things, this community, some of their favorite episodes, and they reshare the very first show: 1. The original idea for the podcast and how it’s evolved. 2. Glennon describes how an anxiety attack feels – and the 3 strategies that help her find calm. 3. Amanda shares some special “thank you” messages to Glennon, Abby, and the Pod Squad.

383. Let Our Sundance-Winning Film Remind You What Love Is with Megan Falley Glennon, Abby and Amanda sit down with poet and friend, Megan Falley, to discuss the magic that is their Sundance Award-Winning documentary film, Come See Me in The Good Light. The documentary follows Meg and her partner, Andrea Gibson, as they navigate a year of life, love, and living through an incurable cancer diagnosis. -How to make a gift of your suffering -Why seeing yourself through the loving eyes of another can be life-changing -Why frat guys are finally relating to queer poets -What this movie has to do with body image and loving yourself On Megan Falley: Megan is a nationally-ranked slam poet and the author of three full-length collections of poetry – most recently her book “Drive Here and Devastate Me”. Since transitioning to writing prose, excerpts from her memoir-in-progress have won several first- and second-place national prizes. She runs an online writing workshop called “Poems That Don’t Suck” which has been heralded as “a degree’s worth of education in 5 short weeks.” On Andrea Gibson: Andrea is one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word artists of our time. Best known for their live performances, Andrea has changed the landscape of what it means to attend a “poetry show”. Andrea’s poems center around LGBTQ issues, spirituality, feminism, mental health, and social justice. Andrea is the author of seven books, most recently “You Better Be Lightning”. Previous appearances on the pod: 215. The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson 245. An Unforgettable Double Date with Andrea Gibson & Megan Falley 265. Megan Falley Knows What Love Is

1. Mae, Glennon, Abby, and Amanda each explore their sexuality by delving into what sexually attracts each of them. 2. The sex-positive way Mae’s parents taught them about sex – and orgasm(!) – and how they never made assumptions about Mae's sexuality. 3. Gender as creative expression and a way to have fun. 4. Simple ways to switch up the monotony of routine; to transform boredom into exploration; and dopamine-infused alternatives for addictive personality types. 5. How fear of abandonment / fear of dependence can take over our lives. About Mae: Mae Martin is an award-winning comedian, actor, writer, and producer who can be seen starring in Feel Good, which they also created and co-wrote. Mae is currently in development with their upcoming scripted project Programmed for Netflix and stars in season 2 of The Flight Attendant on HBO Max. Mae Martin's Guide To… series about sexuality and addiction are available to listen to on BBC Sounds. Mae is also the author of Can Everyone Please Calm Down?: A Guide to 21st Century Sexuality. TW: @TheMaeMartin IG: @hooraymae

382. What If My Partner’s Jokes Hurt My Feelings? Abby, Amanda, and Glennon get to forget their problems for a while as they answer your questions on relationships and anxiety. -How to know if your words are a hit or a hug -What malicious joking reveals in a relationship -Whether anxiety fuels art -How Amanda and John have identified and dealt with off-limit topics in their marriage If you want to subscribe to our newsletter, click here.

1. Sam’s life-changing strategies for (reluctantly) interacting with humans. 2. How we use humor to hide the lava of rage churning beneath our surface. 3. Sam’s friendship theory and why she doesn’t need a deep soul connection with every “lowercase f friend.” 4. Sam’s embrace of JOMO (Joy of Missing Out)–and why she genuinely believes no one else is having a better time (except maybe Abby). 5. The behind-the-scenes story of the “Fat Babe Pool Party” Shrill show–and why that episode was one of the most important things she’s ever written. About Samantha: Samantha Irby writes the "Bitches Gotta Eat" blog, and is the author of WOW, NO THANK YOU; WE ARE NEVER MEETING IN REAL LIFE; and MEATY. She has been a writer and/or co-producer for TV shows including And Just Like That, Work in Progress, Shrill, and Tuca & Bertie. IG: @bitchesgottaeat

381. Glennon: You Can’t F With Art & Other Parenting Lessons In the midst of the LA Fires, Glennon, Abby, and Amanda take a moment to pause and reflect on a cozier time. In part two of this holiday discussion Glennon shares the life-changing lesson she got about love, control and parenthood and how that culminated in her gift from Abby. Amanda shares the unexpected way she learned more about her children this holiday season. -Why there is a safety net for your kids—and why (Spoiler Alert) it’s not you -Why your kids may need a reminder of who you truly are—and that you’re okay -The vibe Glennon is bringing into 2025—and how you can embrace it, too -The surprising reason a road trip could be exactly what your family needs right now

Today we’re talking about how to build healthy relationships — with ourselves and others — after enduring toxic relationships with both. 1. Signs of emotional toxicity in romantic relationships – and what finally made Lily get out of her unhealthy relationship. 2. How to begin reprogramming your brain after leaving a toxic relationship in order to trust yourself and other people again. 3. The process that caused Lily to become the smallest, quietest version of herself – and how she recovered into her biggest, brightest self. 4. What healthy conflict looks and feels like – and Lily’s new script for communicating when her old triggers arise. CW: eating disorders, emotionally toxic relationships About Lily: Lily Collins is a Golden Globe nominated actress, author of the international bestselling book “Unfiltered: No Shame, No Regrets Just Me”, and a philanthropist. Collins can currently be seen in the Netflix series “Emily in Paris,” for which she received her second Golden Globe nomination.Lily launched Case Study Films alongside her husband Charlie McDowell. Lily's philanthropic endeavors extend to participating in various “We Day” events and the GO Campaign. Born in West Sussex, England Collins moved to the United States at age six and currently resides in Los Angeles. TW: @lilycollins IG: @lilyjcollins

380. Abby’s Greatest Fear & the One Gift that Freed Her In the midst of the LA Fires, Glennon, Abby, and Amanda take a moment to pause and reflect on a cozier time. They discuss the holiday gift that Abby received that changed her life and shifted her story. -The powerful gift that helped Abby release her fear of hell and reconnect with her brother -The importance of naming and rewriting the stories we tell ourselves in order to change our lives -The role of religious trauma in shaping our worldview—and how to choose a more liberating path. -How to rethink the “either/or” mindset and open up to bigger possibilities.

In the conversation that’s meant the most to Glennon, Abby, and Amanda – poet and spoken word artist, Andrea Gibson makes the bravest announcement we’ve ever heard. Andrea shares how to boundlessly, relentlessly love our lives by: paying attention to the only thing we can control; letting go of living in fear; and feeling less alone and terrified through it all. CW: Discussion of suicidal ideation About Andrea: Andrea Gibson is one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word artists of our time. Best known for their live performances, Gibson has changed the landscape of what it means to attend a “poetry show”. Gibson’s poems center around LGBTQ issues, spirituality, feminism, mental health and the dismantling of oppressive social systems. Andrea is the author of seven books, most recently “You Better Be Lightning”. TW: @andreagibson IG: @andreagibson

379. Post-Inauguration Family Meeting: How We Will Get Through with Brittney Cooper & Rebecca Traister Activists, writers, and organizers – Brittney Cooper and Rebecca Traister – join us to talk about the inauguration and what’s next. They share their thoughts, feelings, and advice on how to survive the next four years. -The historical playbook for what’s happening now and how we can utilize the wisdom of the past -Why you may need to have an adult temper tantrum right now (and how to safely do that) -The surprising reason it’s important to not resist the victory and accept defeat On Brittney and Rebecca: Brittney Cooper is Professor of Gender Studies and Africana Studies at Rutgers University and author of the New York Times bestseller Eloquent Rage. Rebecca Traister is writer at large for New York Magazine and the author of New York Times bestsellers All the Single Ladies and Good and Mad, as well as the award winning Big Girls Don't Cry, about gender race and class in the 2008 elections.

1. Tig and Stephanie’s highly effective and hilarious ways to diffuse their marital feuds. 2. Stephanie’s experience figuring out her sexuality (years after she married Tig)–and how Tig knew Stephanie was the one. 3. Why Tig’s deep in “Towanda-ing” right now–and how that affects their marriage. 4. The power of knowing what you DON’T want in your life. 5. Tig, Stephanie, Abby, and Glennon each share something they’ve discovered they don’t want. About Stephanie: Stephanie Allynne is a writer, actor, producer, and director. Her acting credits include THE L WORD: GENERATION Q, ONE MISSISSIPPI, ROOM 104, DREAM CORP LLC, LOVE, and TWIN PEAKS. Stephanie also starred in the Sundance hits PEOPLE PLACES THINGS and Lake Bell’s IN A WORLD. Stephanie wrote on the critically acclaimed Amazon series ONE MISSISSIPPI, and co-directed the 2022 Sundance film AM I OK? starring Dakota Johnson and Sonoya Mizuno. Stephanie is currently set to write and direct the feature film TIME AND SPACE that will star Tig Notaro. She will produce alongside Notaro and Judd Apatow. IG: @stephanieallynne About Tig: Tig Notaro is an Emmy and Grammy nominated stand-up comedian, writer, and actor. Rolling Stone named her one of the "50 best stand-up comics of all time." Notaro appears in "Army of the Dead" and “Star Trek: Discovery”; wrote and starred in the groundbreaking TV show “One Mississippi”. and recently released her second HBO stand-up special, "Tig Notaro: Drawn." In 2021, Tig co-directed, with wife Stephanie Allynne, the feature film 'Am I OK?', available later this year. She hosts the advice podcast "Don't Ask Tig", and cohosts the documentary film podcast "Tig and Cheryl: True Story." IG: @therealfluffnotaro

378. Are Old Women Really Irrelevant? Glennon, Abby and Amanda are talking with you, Pod Squad, about questions around women and aging and wtf “processing emotions” really means in action. -How becoming useless to the culture will set you free -The truth about how to stop people pleasing once and for all -Personal tips for moving through an emotional wave. AND! If you would like some solicited advice, please reach out: If you have a problem you want to write about, email us at [email protected] with a subject line, SOLICITED ADVICE. If you want to share how a guest or an idea from the podcast has changed your life, email us at [email protected] with the subject line, MADE ME DO IT. If you want to call in, give us a call and use the word, “ADVICE” at the top of your voice mail at 747-200-5307. We can’t wait to hear from you!

1. How to make the first friendship move – and how to move on from a friendship with kindness and clarity. 2. The advice Reese passes down to her kids about the three types of people you meet in life. 3. Reese’s Hollywood experience as a young woman – and the solidarity she found in the Time’s Up movement. 4. How Elle Woods – in all her iconic glory – hilariously showed up while Reese was on real-life jury duty. 5. Where Reese, Abby, and Glennon come down on Glennon’s take that most women feel they are either too much or not enough. About Reese Reese Witherspoon, is an award-winning actress, entrepreneur, producer, and New York Times bestselling author. She won an Academy Award® for her portrayal of June Carter Cash in Walk the Line and was later nominated in that same category for Wild in 2014, which she also produced. Witherspoon also starred in beloved films Sweet Home Alabama, Legally Blonde, and Election, as well as award-winning television series’ “Big Little Lies,” “Little Fires Everywhere,” and “The Morning Show.” Other film credits include Disney’s A Wrinkle in Time, Universal Pictures’ animated musical comedy Sing and Sing 2. In addition to her acting and producer roles, Witherspoon is an author and entrepreneur. In 2016, she established Hello Sunshine, a media brand and content company dedicated to female authorship and storytelling across all platforms. Hello Sunshine is also home to Reese’s Book Club and Reese’s YA Book Club, which focuses on storytelling with women at the center. Witherspoon recently sold Hello Sunshine to Blackstone in September 2021. Now Hello Sunshine is the cornerstone of a larger media company called Candle Media. Witherspoon is an advocate and activist for women’s issues across the globe. TW: @ReeseW IG: @reesewitherspoon

377. What Is Intuitive Eating? Evelyn Tribole on Trusting Your Body Glennon and Abby talk to renowned expert, Evelyn Tribole, about the principles of intuitive eating, the roots of diet culture, and the importance of self-trust in eating habits and overall well-being. Discover: -What intuitive eating is and three practical steps you can take to begin; -The true origin of fat phobia & how it may be playing out in your life; -How to re-discover your inner-compass; and -Why understanding your ‘body lineage' can heal your relationship with eating. About Evelyn: Evelyn Tribole, MS, RDN, CEDRD-S is the author of 10 books, including co-author of the best-selling Intuitive Eating, a mind-body self-care eating framework, which has given rise to over 200 studies to date. Her newest book is Intuitive Eating for Every Day: 365 Inspirations and Practices. IG: @evelyntribole

For their first (of hopefully many) podcast double dates, Abby and Glennon sit down with the icons, activists, and Olympians Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird. In this honest and hilarious conversation, we find out: 1. The delightfully awkward moment Megan and Sue first met; 2. What’s hard for each of them right now; 3. The boundaries they’re working on together; 4. How they communicate and deal with jealousy; and 5. How they help each other show up in the world as champions for change. About Sue: Regarded as the world’s premier point guard, Sue Bird is the WNBA’s All-Time Leader in Assists and known for being selfless, driven, encouraging, funny and smart. Bird is a seasoned veteran and a born leader who has dominated at every level. She is one of only seven women to win an Olympic Gold Medal (she’s won five), a World Championship Gold Medal (she’s won four) an NCAA Championship (she’s won two), and a WNBA Championship (she’s won four – the last just weeks before her 40th birthday). Sue is also a five-time Euroleague Champion, a twelve- time WNBA All-Star, was voted by the fans as one of the WNBA’s Top 15 Players of All Time. Off the court, Sue spends time as a basketball analyst for ESPN and as an outspoken and visible activist advocating for Black Lives, equality, health and wellness and expanding opportunities for girls and all marginalized people. TW: @S10Bird IG: @suebird10 About Megan: Two-time World Cup Champion and Olympic Gold Medalist, Megan Rapinoe is a fan favorite and one of the team’s most technical and craftiest players. A vocal leader on and off the pitch, Megan helped lead the USWNT to the 2019 Women’s World Cup Championship scoring some of the biggest goals of the tournament. Megan took home the tournament’s two top honors – the Golden Boot for top scorer, and the Golden Ball for the best player in the tournament. Megan is an advocate for equality for all and has been able to intersect her passion for humanity and authenticity. TW: @mPinoe IG: @mrapinoe

376. LA Fires: Jessica Yellin Reports From Glennon’s Home Jessica Yellin was forced to evacuate the LA Fires, and is sheltering at Glennon and Abby’s home. She sits down with Glennon and Amanda to report what is really going on with the wildfires raging across Los Angeles. -Why there wasn’t enough water to fight the Palisades Fire -How to decide what to put in your “go bag” and how Jessica packed up her house to evacuate -Misinformation and lapses of leadership and what LA needs right now from its leaders -The connection between the fire and climate change -Reputable places you can put your resources to help the people of Los Angeles Also, please email us to let us know whether you’d like us to do a recurring News Not Noise segment on the pod with Jessica. Write to us at [email protected]. Ways to Help: LA Fire Foundation: https://supportlafd.org/ Help Altadena Families: spreadsheet curated by @mspackyetti: HERE Jessica Yellin is the founder of News Not Noise, a pioneering Webby award-winning independent news brand. Over 1M+ subscribers and followers across Instagram and other digital media rely on Jessica and News Not Noise to understand what matters, which experts to trust, and to manage their “information overload.” She is the former chief White House correspondent for CNN and an Emmy and Gracie Award-winning political correspondent for ABC, MSNBC and CNN. Follow her on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @JessicaYellin. You can also find the News Not Noise Newsletter on Substack HERE.

In this beautiful conversation–in which Glennon names Cole’s book “This Here Flesh” the Next Right Book–we discuss: 1. What we learned from Cole’s insight that, “If you’re not in your body, someone else is.” 2. A mind-blowing revelation about all of our own faces that we will never stop thinking about. 3. Why the phrase “If you don’t believe you’re beautiful, no one else will” is horseshit. 4. Why dignity is the bedrock to being alive–and how to find it when we haven’t been loved well. 5. The connection between fear and awe–and how to practice wonder as a cure for despair. About Cole: Cole Arthur Riley is a writer and poet. She is the author of the NYT bestseller, This Here Flesh: Spirituality, Liberation, and the Stories that Make Us. Her writing has been featured in The Atlantic, Guernica, and The Washington Post. Cole is also the creator and writer of Black Liturgies, a project that integrates spiritual practice with Black emotion, Black literature, and the Black body. TW: @blackliturgist IG: @colearthurriley @blackliturgies

375. How to Stop Worrying with Martha Beck Martha Beck shares more on how to lessen anxiety’s grip by coaching Amanda, Abby and Glennon out of their anxiety spirals. Discover: -How to uncover the heart of your deepest fear -How to tell whether something is truly enlightening or dangerously false -The surprising power of living in a state of “I don’t know” Dr. Martha Beck, PhD, is a New York Times bestselling author, coach, and speaker. She holds three Harvard degrees in social science, and Oprah Winfrey has called her “one of the smartest women I know.” Martha is a passionate and engaging teacher, known for her unique combination of science, humor, and spirituality. Her recent book, The Way of Integrity: Finding the Path to Your True Self, was an instant New York Times Best Seller and an Oprah’s Book Club selection. Her new book, Beyond Anxiety: Curiosity, Creativity, and Finding Your Life’s Purpose, is available now.

Glennon, Abby, and Amanda help us shed guilt through a freeing reframe inspired by a conversation with Dr. Becky Kennedy. Listen to learn: How to know what is true guilt and what is just the uncomfortable ickiness of defying expectations; how to hold boundaries in order to live shamelessly within our own values; and how to maintain empathy by staying with our own emotions instead of internalizing the emotions of others. Also, we need your help inventing a word for the “not guilt” feeling! Get Dr. Becky Kennedy's "Good Inside Guilt Guide," to find out if what you're feeling is truly "guilt" or something else, here: https://forms.gle/Aad1g5LSBNFZoXaN6. Check out our past conversations with Dr. Becky Kennedy, and the Dr. Brené Brown episodes we talk about today: Ep 170 The Most Radical Way to Heal: Internal Family Systems with Dr. Becky Kennedy; Ep 169 Why We Love the Way We Love: Attachment Styles with Dr. Becky Kennedy; Ep 131 How to Raise Untamed Kids with Dr. Becky Kennedy; Ep 130 Breaking Cycles and Reparenting Yourself with Dr. Becky Kennedy; Ep 88 Brené Brown & Barrett Guillen: Sisters Double Date; Ep 83 Brené Brown: What to Say to Get What You Need; Ep 49 Dr. Brené Brown: On Holding Boundaries & Facing Our Fears; and Ep 48 Dr. Brené Brown: How to Know Ourselves & Be Known By Our People.

374. Life Beyond Anxiety with Martha Beck Martha Beck, bestselling author and life coach, returns to discuss anxiety including actionable strategies for quelling it and achieving a state of calm. This episode is part one of two. Come back next time, to hear Martha coach Amanda, Abby and Glennon out of an anxiety spiral. Discover: -The one powerful question to ask yourself to start breaking free from anxiety -Martha’s surprising take on the antidote to anxiety -The biggest lie anxiety tells us—and how to uncover the truth -Why nature, creativity, and your senses hold the key to calm Dr. Martha Beck, PhD, is a New York Times bestselling author, coach, and speaker. She holds three Harvard degrees in social science, and Oprah Winfrey has called her “one of the smartest women I know.” Martha is a passionate and engaging teacher, known for her unique combination of science, humor, and spirituality. Her recent book, The Way of Integrity: Finding the Path to Your True Self, was an instant New York Times Best Seller and an Oprah’s Book Club selection. Her new book, Beyond Anxiety: Curiosity, Creativity, and Finding Your Life’s Purpose, is available now.

1. Five signs that you might have a boundary problem. 2. Why each of us should stop pretending we’re not a needy person. 3. How to stop arguing like a lawyer – and start communicating like a kindergartener – to get what you need. 4. How to know when to end an argument, how to exit a friendship, and how to respond to passive aggressiveness. About Nedra: Nedra Glover Tawwab, MSW, LCSW, is a New York Times best-selling author, licensed therapist, and sought-after relationship expert. She has practiced relationship therapy for 15 years and is the founder and owner of the group therapy practice, Kaleidoscope Counseling. Every day she helps people create healthy relationships by teaching them how to implement boundaries. Her philosophy is that a lack of boundaries and assertiveness underlie most relationship issues, and her gift is helping people create healthy relationships with themselves and others. Nedra earned her undergraduate and graduate degrees from Wayne State University in Detroit, MI. She has additional certifications in working with families and couples and in perinatal mood and anxiety disorders, plus advanced training for counseling adults who've experienced childhood emotional neglect. Nedra has appeared as an expert on Red Table Talk, The Breakfast Club, Good Morning America, and CBS Morning Show to name a few. Her work has been highlighted in The New York Times, The Guardian, and Vice and has appeared on numerous podcasts, including Good Life Project, Sofia with an F, and Therapy For Black Girls. She runs a popular Instagram account where she shares practices, tools, and reflections for mental health and hosts weekly Q&As. TW: @NedraTawwab IG: @nedratawwab

1. The moment Abby – as Christen’s USWNT roommate – walked into their hotel room and knew Christen was very different than any soccer player she’d ever known. 2. The boundary that helps Christen love her people while protecting herself. 3. Christen’s take on death and how to keep the people we’ve lost alive in our lives. 4. How to show our people (including our little athletes) that we love them for who they are, not what they achieve. 5. The day Christen knew she was ready to fight for – and win – pay equity for the US Women’s National Team. About Christen: Christen Press is a two-time World Cup Champion and Olympian, as well as a leading forward at Los Angeles Angel City FC. An entrepreneur and advocate for inclusivity, Christen, along with US Women’s National teammates – Megan Rapinoe, Tobin Heath, and Meghan Klingenberg – launched their company re—inc, a purpose-driven, global lifestyle brand. Christen was one of the key players leading the charge for the “Equal Play, Equal Pay” campaign to highlight the pay discrepancy between the women’s and men’s national teams, which led to the new CBA agreement – and to her role as Player Representative for the US Women's National Team Players Association. IG: @christenpress

Amanda, Glennon and Abby explore how to survive the lifelong, universal pain of being left out: What Abby felt when she heard “We don’t want you here” – and its long-lasting impact; Why it is so painful, and how to process feelings of rejection and isolation; How dissociation helped Glennon cope with rejection in the cafeteria; What parents should and *should not* do when helping kids navigate exclusion; and The real difference between “fitting in” and “belonging.” Also check out Episode 179: How to Fix Our Loneliness with Dr. Marisa G. Franco

1. Abby shares with Sara the great personal impact Sara’s music has made on her life. 2. Sara and Glennon bond over the joy of solitude, the underrated gifts of being heavy-hearted, and the fact that “there are too many things to be worried about at all times” to be lighthearted. 3. When you are in deep stress, do you try to sabotage your job, relationship, etc.? (Before this conversation, Amanda thought it was just her.) 4. How playfulness and joy – connecting to the little kid who grew up into you – are vital to loving yourself. 5. Sara’s beautiful journey with medication for depression and anxiety – and how she learned her anxiety often arises from an unexpressed need. About Sara: Sara Bareilles is a Tony Award and Emmy Award nominated actor, and Grammy Award winning singer and songwriter. On Broadway, Sara composed music and lyrics for Waitress, in which she was also the lead. Sara also produced original music and executive produced the musical drama series Little Voice. She plays Dawn Solano on the Emmy-nominated musical comedy series Girls5eva, and stars as The Baker’s Wife in the Broadway revival Into the Woods. TW: @SaraBareilles IG: @sarabareilles

Glennon, Abby, Amanda and the Pod Squad share their most brutiful and hilarious holiday stories.

1. Thinking of depression as a way of seeing the world … through toilet paper roll binoculars. 2. Why healing might actually just be permission to go. 3. Chanel’s definition of success: refusing to succumb to perfection or exhaustion–and showing up as herself in every moment. 4. The healing moment when Chanel returned to Stanford and was held in sound–which set her free. About Chanel: Chanel Miller is a writer and artist who received her BA in Literature from the University of California, Santa Barbara. Her critically acclaimed memoir, KNOW MY NAME, was a New York Times bestseller, a New York Times Book Review Notable Book, and a National Book Critics Circle Award winner, as well as a best book of 2019 in Time, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, NPR, and People, among others. She is a 2019 Time Next 100 honoree and a 2016 Glamour Woman of the Year honoree under her pseudonym, “Emily Doe.” IG: chanel_miller

372. The Presley Family Legacy with Riley Keough Glennon, Abby, and Amanda sit down with Riley Keough to explore her journey through love, loss, and healing within her family. Riley talks about co-authoring her mother Lisa Marie Presley's memoir, From Here to the Great Unknown: A Memoir, which recounts Lisa Marie’s life as the daughter of Elvis Presley, her career, her own family, and everything in between. Riley also shares how she is finding purpose and strength amidst profound loss. Discover: -The unfinished family work Riley is closing for her mother and grandfather -The way Riley’s experience loving people with addictions and grief shaped her understanding of love and resilience -How Riley names the profound sadness and generational trauma within her family -The inherent conflict between Lisa Marie and her mom, and how Riley finds compassion for them both. On Riley: Riley Keough is an Emmy, Golden Globe, and Independent Spirit Award–nominated actress. She is known for her work in Daisy Jones & the Six, Zola, and more. She also co-directed War Pony (2022), and cofounded the production company Felix Culpa with Gina Gammell. She is the eldest daughter of Lisa Marie Presley and sole trustee of Graceland. Her new book - From Here to the Great Unknown—written in both Lisa Marie’s and Riley’s voices, a mother and daughter communicating—from this world to the one beyond—as they try to heal each other – is available now.

What is gaslighting REALLY and what isn’t? Plus, how to know if you’re in a relationship with a gaslighter, the three types of gaslighters, and how to break free from a gaslighter and reclaim yourself. About Dr. Stern: Robin Stern, Ph.D., is the co-founder and associate director for the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence and an associate research scientist at the Child Study Center at Yale. She is a licensed psychoanalyst with 30 years of experience treating individuals, couples, and families. She is the author of The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide: Your Personal Journey Toward Healing from Emotional Abuse. TW: @RobinSStern IG: @dr.robinstern

371. I’m a Sociopath: Patric Gagne’s Story Patric Gagne – writer, former therapist, diagnosed sociopath, and advocate for people with sociopathic, psychopathic, and antisocial personality disorders – shares -What sociopathy is and how it shows up in her life; -The shocking statistic of how many people are sociopathic; -How her diagnosis affects her experience as a wife and mother; and -The ways in which sociopathy is actually a superpower. About Patric: PATRIC GAGNE is a writer, former therapist, and advocate for people with sociopathic, psychopathic, and anti-social personality disorders. Her New York Times best-selling memoir, Sociopath, shares her struggle to understand her own sociopathy and shed light on this often-maligned and misunderstood mental disorder.

370. How to Know if You’re in a Cult with Tia Levings (Pt. 2) Glennon, Amanda, and Abby welcome back Tia Levings for part two of this amazing conversation on her experience leaving a high control Christian Fundamentalist cult. Tia shares her experience leaving the church and her husband and offers advice for others in a similar situation. Discover: -The life-saving power of women sharing their stories—and why it threatens patriarchy -How she finally heard her own voice—and how you can find yours, too -Why people crave fundamentalism—and a solution they’re searching for -Tia’s life-saving advice for women escaping abuse or high-control groups More on Tia: Tia Levings is the New York Times Bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, her memoir of escape from Christian Patriarchy. She writes about the realities of Christian fundamentalism, evangelical patriarchy, and religious trauma. She also appeared in the hit Amazon docu-series, Shiny Happy People. Based in North Carolina, she is mom to four incredible adults and likes to travel, hike, paint, and daydream. Find her on social media @TiaLevingsWriter.

1. Alex’s four most effective healing techniques that you can start today. 2. How it affects us to grow up never seeing our mothers have joy. 3. Why – if you think you don’t have any self-soothing strategies – you actually just have unhealthy self-soothing strategies. 4. Childhood wounds that surface in adulthood, and the path to intergenerational healing. 5. Where to begin when you never receive the apology and closure you deserve. About Alex: Alex Elle is an author, certified breathwork coach, podcast host, and Restorative Writing teacher. Alex’s writing came into her life by way of therapy and the exploration of healing through journaling and mindfulness. Her most recent book, HOW WE HEAL, is available now. TW: @alex_elle IG: @alex

369. Trad Wife Cults: How Tia Levings Escaped (Pt 1) Glennon, Amanda, and Abby sit down with Tia Levings, NYT bestselling author, to discuss her experience in a high control Christian Fundamentalist cult: her journey from indoctrination to freedom to healing from religious trauma. Discover: -Why strong women are often drawn into Christian extremism—and how they can break free -Why parents are taught to hit infants, and husbands are taught to spank their wives -The hidden agenda behind why Christian Fundamentalists encourage large families -The moment Glennon busted her kids out of Christian school -The eerie crossover of wellness culture and Christian extremism More on Tia: Tia Levings is the New York Times Bestselling author of A Well-Trained Wife, her memoir of escape from Christian Patriarchy. She writes about the realities of Christian fundamentalism, evangelical patriarchy, and religious trauma. She also appeared in the hit Amazon docu-series, Shiny Happy People. Based in North Carolina, she is mom to four incredible adults and likes to travel, hike, paint, and daydream. Find her on social media @TiaLevingsWriter.