Warden's Watch

Jeff Baile is a retired conservation police officer and instructor in Illinois. He started out as a patrol officer in 1976, and moved to become a conservation police officer in 1979. Additionally, Jeff has worked as an instructor in his self-developed interview and interrogation course across the country. Jeff is a Certified Forensic Interviewer, and a member of the International Association of Interviewers. It is estimated he extratected over 7000 confessions over the course of his career. In this episode, Jeff speaks on his interviewing techniques, best stories, and more. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: There's no end to it, stick new stuff in Compliance increase after communication skills increases Catfish case Killed 24,000 fish, 600 bullfrogs Boat accident Published poaching Hotel deer 25 illegal racoons The Beagle Making a case out of an interview A person can only control their body language for so long Everyone can learn it A dead eagle Columbo style Baile & Associates courses Administrative and teacher classes Different prongs Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jeff Baile is a retired conservation police officer and instructor in Illinois. He started out as a patrol officer in 1976, and moved to become a conservation police officer in 1979. Additionally, Jeff has worked as an instructor in his self-developed interview and interrogation course across the country. Jeff is a Certified Forensic Interviewer, and a member of the International Association of Interviewers. It is estimated he extratected over 7000 confessions over the course of his career. In this episode, Jeff speaks on his interviewing techniques, best stories, and more. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Conservation police Getting into a niche What do you need to do in interrogation Mobile training unit Body language and lie detection are two different animals Interview before interrogation Gather facts Retell the story Truth never changes Getting good at interviews Suppressing “we” Conservation - specific course Use both police and conservation examples Interrogating our kids Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bud Carr is a search and rescue expert in the upper northwest of the United States. Carlton “Bud” Carr Jr. was born in 1978 in California’s San Bernardino Valley. He moved to Colorado as a child and now lives in northwest Washington in a small, rented home on the Skagit River with his wife and three children. He’s a journeyman carpenter, although he’s worked a grab bag of blue-collar jobs, but also has an education in wilderness survival. Carr played and explored in the mountains growing up, and his dad would quiz Bud on what to do if he got stranded on that mountain road. Go to the creek. Follow the creek to the river. Follow the river to civilization. Bud learned how to hunt, to build shelters, to insulate himself with leaves and how to travel in the mountains. A self-described mountain man, Carr is an enthusiastic storyteller, one who uses every inch of his 5-foot-11 frame to elucidate and elaborate, his gestures those of a college theater major, albeit a tattooed and felonious one. He’s prone to long rants, but is also a good listener, happy to suspend a story, although he almost always picks it up later. See the Video: https://www.patreon.com/wardenswatch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeffrey Milner is a conservation warden and K9 unit coordinator working for the Indiana Department of Natural Resources. He has been working for over 27 years, 23 of those as a K9 handler. Throughout his time as a K9 officer and coordinator, Jeffrey has trained a multitude of dogs and has also had many of his own. He also helped found the Conservation Canine Officers Association. In this episode, Jeffrey tells some of his many stories that he has collected over the years. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: K9s are embedded in our organization Jeffrey’s background Knocking on the game warden’s door 1 lab turned into 11 labs Only 9 other agencies that had K9 agencies Dogs are an introduction Dogs help to bridge the message of conservation First partner Indiana is one of the biggest K9 agencies in the country Primarily labrador retrievers I name my dogs with purpose Journey: running a track on suspects Different terrain holds scent differently You have to love it to do it Voyage’s best track - lifesaving Fury: ginseng diggers When you put value on a resource people will exploit it Koda: in training Training schools From no members to 108 members in the CCOA When I hang up my K9 shoes, the program is in good hands Facility Jason Lagore - Ohio Follow and like Conservation Canine Officers Association on Facebook Tight budgets People will know a dog’s name 20 years later Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alex Baer has a passion for the outdoors, wildlife, and his lifelong search for new ways to accomplish meaningful work has led him to a new position as COO with IHEA-USA. Alex is directly contributing to the growth and development of hunter education while continuing to further R3 initiatives for the industry. Before joining the IHEA-USA, Alex consulted on projects for private industry as well as the Council to Advance Hunting and the Shooting Sports as well as the National Wildlife Turkey Federation. Prior to that, Alex was the Sales Director at onXmaps contributing to their significant growth for 5 years while also acting as R3 Coordinator for onX where he built partner relationships with conservation NGOs, industry associations, and state and wildlife organizations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Counselor Paula Booth has been working with law enforcement officers and other clients for over 35 years with the state of New Hampshire. Her unique knowledge of critical incidents and trauma response has made her a valuable asset to many agencies. She is also the director for the New Hampshire Employee Assistant Program. Paula has a masters degree in clinical social work from Boston University, is a member of the National Academy of Certified Social Workers, and is nationally certified as an employee assistance professional. Additionally, she has served as the president of the Grant State employee assistant program. Paula works on the governor and attorney general’s commission on domestic violence, and is an advisor to the state government's decision makers.Her lectures at conferences, community events, and state sponsored events are well renowned. To Wayne, Paula Booth was his counselor after the critical incident that took place in Colebook in which he was shot. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Introduction to Paula Booth Counseling is very different in today’s world Wayne’s breaking point Counseling is for everyone Everyone has a critical incident in their life Healthy people get help Education on counseling to law enforcement We ask for help all the time, why not this? Affects officers, family members, peers Academy program: stress management in law enforcement Traumatic experience from those that were on vacation Critical incident tools Simple, briefs directives Eat something simple Don’t fill the silence Look into programs Supervisors and peers watch you Don’t use a cookie cutter approach Connection is important I’ve got the best job in the world Make it palatable If I didn’t have counseling, I wouldn’t have finished my career Horrible week for New Hampshire Approach it from a problem solving perspective Make the appointment, you can always cancel it Give and take Uniform represents so much Partners and supporters take the journey too Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Colonel Kevin Jordan has worked for the New Hampshire Department of Fish and Game for over 20 years. After the Colebrook Murders, he became a critical incident specialist. In this episode, Wayne discusses the Colebrook Murders with Colonel Jordan and how each of them experienced the situation. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Field day in Quebec Weren’t aware two were murdered 5 crime scenes, many different units Couldn’t talk on the radio, too much chatter I could hear Wayne screaming Went to grab two deer rifles, raced to confront John had his fingers embedded in my dash as I went 100 mph I was livid he shot you, I wanted to kill him The troopers had a look about them Dispatchers were crying on the radio He went home to change and shave Laying across the dash, looked like he committed suicide Both shoot at the same time; Drega wearing campaign hat If you engage him, you’ll have to kill him I know what type of guy I am now You can train someone, but you don’t know how they’ll react in fight or flight He was on the bank; changed our plan 98 shots fired Drega was dead I decided I needed a cigarette Both sides of the road were lined with cruisers I thought I was gonna get fired His house had bombs in it Ran to the bathroom and threw up Some will defend Drega; there will be funerals Went to visit Wayne in a packed cruiser Cheers when Wayne came back; brought to tears Ordered to go to counseling New equipment after the event Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode our two hosts become an interviewer and an interviewee. In 1997, a rogue gunman began a violent rampage in the town of Colebrook. One of the responding officers, Warden Wayne Saunders of New Hampshire was injured in an attempt to apprehend the subject. The badge he wore on that day deflected the bullet shot by the suspect and saved his life. In this episode Wayne tells his personal account of that day and how it affected his life. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Episode dedicated to Senior Corporal Jeff Neal of Hope, Arkansas Dedicated to Scott Phillips and Leslie Lord, New Hampshire State Police Survived a critical incident in a small town A regular day with a field day the next day Report of a stolen cruiser, possibly by a kid “Turn off your blue lights” Jurisdictional issues in mind Dust hanging under a bridge pass Man with a campaign hat pointing a gun 15 yards away Cover and concealment Everything was in slow motion, yelled at people in a restaurant to leave Backed up slow, then fast into a tree I didn’t know what was going on Center of the badge was shot off Ricochet of the 7 rounds Don’t my boots; sorry I wrecked the cruiser Shredded my bicep, scarred to this day Found out what happened from the news Staying in the fight even when injured From the hospital to funerals Brothers holding me up Improving communication, switched rifles New York response team It takes a horrible incident for improvement The only woman that made me cry: physical therapist breaking down scar tissue Negative comments made me transfer Critical incident fallout; learning experience Worse for your partner to get shot than to be the victim Physical and mental pain I always wanted to be the cowboy in the woods, no one would take that for me Brought game wardens to state police with shooting pay support We’re always on duty More tools available now Pack of wardens Usually not next to cruiser People hide and hide things in the woods Educate the public on what we go through Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As deer season opens across the country for 2021, we open up a conservation conversation with Kip Adams, the director of the Nation Deer Association. Kip is a certified wildlife biologist and QDMA's Director of Conservation. He has a bachelor's degree in wildlife and fisheries science from Penn State University and a master's in wildlife from the University of New Hampshire. He's also a certified taxidermist. Before joining QDMA, Kip was the deer and bear biologist for the New Hampshire Fish & Game Department. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Richard Adams Carey is the author of the book “In The Evil Day” in which he discusses the events of the violent 1997 shooting in Colebrook, New Hampshire in which Wayne Saunders was shot. Richard grew up in Connecticut and attended Harvard. He moved around the country while writing various books that are acclaimed by The New York Times, Alaska Magazine, and more. In this interview, Adams Carey explains his background, research for the book, the community around Colebrook, and much more. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: The Colebrook Murders Putting the puzzle pieces together Not enough exposure on the event Listings in a telephone book Went about the book stupidly Battle between burying the incident and opening up Expected to “suck it up” after incidents Challenge: freedom of information Dissecting the documents; generosity of agencies No sense of competition in law enforcement Not a typical true crime book Mindset of those in the community Flirtations with militia groups National problem with little reporting Breakdown of the incident The good out of the incident Civilian heroes Outsider looking in to insider looking in Book title Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lonnie Sushil is a game warden with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (SA), and is the Commander of the SA Special Operations Group (SOG). Florida’s SOG group was created after 9/11 and focuses on homeland security as well as public service. Lonnie commands 14 operators in the alpha south region of the state. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Merging of Thin Green Line into Warden’s Watch Lonnie’s background Creation of SOG in Florida Duties of the group Diversity of warden training Ecosystem differences within Florida SOG is a collateral duty Collaborative training Picking out the oddities Academy and training Female officers Assess people up front Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Fan Page Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Megaphone YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Located in the rural mountains of the western United States, Charlie Pitt has been part of the blue family for more than 30 years. Charlie's training and background are in writing, marketing, recruiting and teaching. Charlie is a self proclaimed newshound, data junkie, word nerd. I use those things to write about rural law enforcement, the ones who love them, past issues and current events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Todd Vandivert was a game warden for 34 years with the Washington Department of Natural Resources, and now writes books about his experiences. He worked both as a uniformed officer and also as an undercover officer, making multiple cases in each position. Todd’s work as an author is well-known, especially his book Operation Cody in which he breaks down his role in the operation. In this episode, Todd discusses his upbringing, work as a warden, and life as an author. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Started with bighorn sheep One toe in the water Wildlife trafficker, cock fighting, and marijuana growth Being a uniformed officer is more dangerous than undercover Dangerous individual Operation shut down early Breaks to the media The takedown Detailing the cockfights Didn’t write the book to make money Small circles of people Bigger busts undercover Hard to kick a case down the road with a good case in your hands Sturgeon caviar Only would talk to Russians Officer exchanges 6 written books Examine the crime scene: physical evidence but no suspect The individual who didn’t lie Rolled into a larger case Put yourself in other’s shoes Bear poop in my mouth Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Todd Vandivert was a game warden for 34 years with the Washington Department of Natural Resources, and now writes books about his experiences. He worked both as a uniformed officer and an undercover officer, making multiple cases in each position. Todd’s work as an author is well-known, especially his book Operation Cody in which he breaks down his role in the operation. In this episode, Todd discusses his upbringing, work as a warden, and life as an author. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: 34 years as a game warden Born in California Love of the outdoors while raised in Virginia Plan was to go into the Navy; failed color vision test Flying career came to an end, went into oceanography Rethought decisions and went into forestry Started working in a habitat area Cameras everywhere First posing Work as an undercover The issues with informants The case: hound hunting with lions The “Kill ‘Em All Boys” Conference More exposure = more hazardous Each state has different laws Built a fake business: website, posters, business cards, etc Best of the wild Lawful stuff close to unlawful Poacher within two days Misrepresenting product is still illegal Taking DNA Rotted mountain lion and a paycheck Dried dates as a decoy to Hong Kong Growing operations and money laundering Interior decorator setup Entrapment debate Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music is not a hobby for Jamie Lee Thurston. It’s the only thing. The act of performing music is how he enters and relates to the world. And when you watch him live, it’s as if you’re witnessing a red giant of a star form before you, drawing in all of the stardust and matter of the immediate universe to power its very being…even if only for a fraction of time. It stands to reason that all music is good music as long as it finds its way to the one person who enjoys it. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Conroy is the director of the Ness District Salmon Fishery Board and a water bailiff. He graduated from Liverpool John Moores University with a degree in Applied Biology, and has over 25 years of experience working as an aquatic resource manager. Through his duties, he has developed an in-depth knowledge of freshwater, marine and estuarine resource management and the associated stresses, utilisation, and conservation demand. In this episode, we dive in to the lore around Loch Ness, the differences in enforcement, the specs of being a water bailiff, and more Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Cover the Loch Ness waters in Scotland Loch means lake Fishery bailiff = fishery enforcement officer Sightings of the Loch Ness monster 20 miles wide, 700 feet deep Don’t work for the government; statutory powers Lots of fisheries Differences in laws Don’t carry firearms; gear differences Good cases Thermal imaging Enforcement and management Topography Fish counts Intervention of impacts Issues with stocking fish Collecting evidence 162 offenses last year Pulley system case American vs Scottish bailiffs Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mark Oliva is director of public affairs for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms and ammunition industries. He is a retired Marine Master Gunnery Sergeant with 25 years of service, including tours in Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti, Albania, and Zaire. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Justin Hurst was a game warden who worked for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. A graduate of Texas A&M, he had a passion for the outdoors and worked to protect it. Even before he was a warden, he worked as a waterfowl guide and educated people on hunting. After 5 years of service as a warden, he was involved in an incident where a man was suspected of hunting illegally. While backing up another game warden on a pursuit, the suspect’s vehicle was spiked. As he got out, the suspect fired at the approaching wardens and deputies. Hurst was struck multiple times while returning fire, and was med-flighted to a nearby hospital. A day later, on his 34th birthday, Justin succumbed to his injuries. Justin is an example of an exemplary game warden with a strong work ethic and a desire to educate his community. His sacrifice will not be forgotten. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Chaplin Scott Mcintosh leads in prayer Start of Justin’s love of wildlife Dad, we need to help these hawks Love of duck and geese Read the bands on geese Went to Texas A&M, never went to a football game Applied for the academy First of his class Back home with people he knew Make personal contacts with farmers and ranchers A knocking at the door, a flashlight Justin did not survive His eyes were used as an organ donation 25 game wardens at the house to support us Kept the media away 10 units involved in the incident Dashcam video recorded The pursuit Gets cornered at the cemetery and starts firing Hits Justin; med-flighted to the hospital I asked God “why did you take my son?” Effects of a LEO death on the family Weeks after, wardens were around 24/7 500 law enforcement at Justin’s funeral Cremated and released into the bay Ashes put in Justin’s projects Offered life without parole; refused Jury convicted him guilty of 1st degree murder with execution All appeals denied We pick the day he’s executed A long process; very educational Only could bring a driver’s license the penitentiary He never said anything Motorcycle groups revved engines during final statement Parent groups for parents who lost LEO sons and daughters Support of organizations I want to make sure our wardens are supported Justin wanted to educate and teach Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Arnold Magoon was a game warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department for 18 years. He worked his way up from a field warden to a supervisor, and was known to be fair but firm in how he enforced laws. As a warden, Arnold was well liked within the community he patrolled and was a role model for those around him. In 1978, a call about a late night shot came in while he was at home. He responded, and a suspected deer poacher assaulted him with his own flashlight, bludgeoning him to death. Arnold is the only warden that has died in the line of duty with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department. His sacrifice will not be forgotten. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: For the fallen/police week Wayne’s formal Colonel as a guest Dangers of being a law enforcement officer Roll of honor - 51 names Won’t give this up until I die Most challenging group I work with It has to be done right It was a normal day and he never came back Take the time to tell people what they mean to you Moment of silence Poem Jeff Whipple Arnold Magoon is the only warden who has died in Vermont Moving on from tragedy and remember Warden to supervisor Ready to fry by the fourth of July Heard a gunshot and went out Goes to confront the poachers Put an identification on the vehicle Throwing out evidence Approaching the vehicle: 2 men and 1 women Son’s friend and knows him personally Disappointment and frustration Lunged for the flashlight Left to die Not uncommon to not wear a gun belt Could happen to anyone Monument created Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Andriana Fragola, originally from Miami and has been obsessed with the ocean since childhood. Before working at One Ocean Diving, Andriana worked with the Shark Research and Conservation lab at the University of Miami where she completed her graduate degree. Her focus of study was shark immunology, where Andriana examined the bacteria that colonizes on the skin of blacktip and bull sharks. She says that she's always learning and experiencing new things when you work with sharks! Andriana is also a PADI Divemaster, Freediver, safety diver, was scuba certified at the age of 12 and has a AAUS scientific diver certification. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he interviewed Wayne and asked him about his experiences as a supervisor over the search and rescue mission for Kate. Brett Fitzgerald is a member of the search and rescue team that located and recovered Kate Matrosova. He is an experienced climber and outdoorsman who takes clients up the White Mountains. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief NH Wildlife Heritage International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: Ty Gagne’s new book High quality volunteers in NH Embrace being a hero Continuation of Wayne’s interview Hasty team was important; other teams covered beacons Covered lots of ground Brett Fitzgerald interview Out skiing during the day before the rescue Telling clients “there is a 0% chance of reaching the summit today” Had the kits ready to go We weren’t sure if we could find her; she could be anywhere Wind picked us off the ground Kate was frozen solid Can’t think of her as a human; need to get the load down Felt like you were drowning Continuation of Wayne’s interview Hard to communicate above treeline Work to do after recovery Inform next of kin Accomplishments of Kate: calls from reporters from New York Many rescues can be prevented Preparation: more research, investigation, and paying attention to the weather There's a reasons trees don’t grow up there I got it in my calendar, I’m going to hike Flexibility and knowledge is key The finding of Kate’s mountaineering axe Dedication to all search and rescue volunteers Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Patreon Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Tik Tok Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Cody Stamann is a mixed martial artist and UFC champion in the featherweight division. Stamann has been a professional fighter since 2010. He has a love for fighting and the outdoors. Cody is also a staunch 2nd amendment advocate, a passionate conservationist, and dives head first into the shooting sports when he's not training for the cage. This is Part Two of our conversation with Cody. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he interviewed Wayne and asked him about his experiences as a supervisor over the search and rescue mission for Kate. Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief NH Wildlife Heritage International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: - Guest interviewer: Ty Gagne - The best learning is from the ground up - The game warden is in charge of the search and rescue - Pass on shortcuts - Own up to your decisions - Wind is a huge factor - Dragging my feet based on my instincts - Don’t call me at night - I don’t sleep - Continuation of interview with Mark Ober - Constantly on the phone - Ordered a command post - 5am to 8am is peak prepare time - Many acronyms in search and rescues - Would have never reached Kate safely - Intent is key - Everything was in her pack, not blown away - Sunny day, whiteout on the mountain peaks - There's more people like Kate - I made mistakes that other people made - Continuation of Wayne’s interview - No intention of going home - Command posts were rocking from the wind - Great relationships with local departments - It's easy to look at a map and make assignments - Even highly skilled people can get in trouble Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Patreon Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Tik Tok Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Cody Stamann is a mixed martial artist and UFC champion in the featherweight division. Stamann has been a professional fighter since 2010. He has a love for fighting and the outdoors. Cody is also a staunch 2nd amendment advocate, a passionate conservationist, and dives head first into the shooting sports when he's not training for the cage. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

At 32 years old, Kate Matrosova hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor. Bob Mancini is an award-winning Conservation Officer in New Hampshire. He has been a member of the advanced search & rescue team, dive team, honor guard team and K-9 team. He was also a regular on Northwoods Law. He speaks of his role in the rescue for Kate. Matt Holmes is a New Hampshire Fish and Game Conservation Officer. He was also a regular on Northwoods Law, and is part of rescue operations. In this episode, he discusses the attempted resume of Kate Matrosova with the rest of the rescue team. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief NH Wildlife Heritage International Wildlife Crime Stoppers Here's What We Discuss: The return of John Nores Q and A on April 26th via Patreon! Start of Lt. Mark Ober interview Matt and Bob: goal to get to coordinates Half mile off trail to get to coordinates, meet with MRS team Too cold to function Matt and Bob stay for backup, MRS team moves in When she wasn’t found at coordinates, everyone moves back down Start of Bob Mancini interview Decided to patrol on snowmobile Raced back to get essential gear Disbelief of how someone could be out My “Oh Shit!” bag Forgot to change my socks We were prepared to do what was required Utilized snowmobiles and then hiked Fight the inner demons to try and save a life Propane in stove froze Hot water would have been like hitting the lottery Should have slowed down and been a better teammate Matt’s headlamp Wayne’s rule: don’t call me the night before Stay on scene on the trail, MRS goes to beacon Loud and steady wind Even if we knew where she was, it might have been a critical incident Kate was an accomplished hiker Gear has became better Start of Matt Holmes interview Predicted to be bad weather for a while On snowmobile patrolling all day Coldest and most dangerous rescue Eyes are on the mountains Wind blowing over the summits Glad to be in my cruiser At first I was angry: salt in an open wound Carrying gear for overnight stays Sun goes down, temperature goes down Glen’s issues: it wasn’t his night Matt was the leader of the operation We had to function as a team to do things we usually did alone One team to bushwack to point, another on the trail Barely got stoves lit, water couldn’t boil All layers were on If something went wrong, will have to build a shelter Nobody wanted to stop MRS team stayed, the rest moved out I feel good about what we did Plenty of reasons to not send anyone that night Feelings softened toward Kate over time Perfect storm of cold and wind Credits Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores Producer: Jay Ammann Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day Find More Here: Website Patreon Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Facebook Group Instagram Tik Tok Twitter Spreadshirt Stitcher Tunein Libsyn YouTube RSS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Cindy Stites is the Director of Education for the Hunt to Eat project, a hunting apparel and education company built on community, real food, and conservation. She is a hunter, angler, and budding conservationist. She cares deeply for the animals she pursues and works hard to ensure that the generations to come will have the same opportunities that Cindy has now. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Here's Part II with Barry Kerch! Barry may have made a living as the drummer for the band Shinedown, but outside of the world of rock and roll, Barry is a dedicated conservationist and hunter. Growing up in the south he developed a deep love of the outdoors. When Barry isn't smashing beats on a drum kit, you'll deep in the woods exchanging the drumsticks for bow and arrow. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Barry Kerch may have made a living as the drummer for the band Shinedown, but outside of the world of rock and roll, Barry is a dedicated conservationist and hunter. Growing up in the south he developed a deep love of the outdoors. When Barry isn't smashing beats on a drum kit, you'll deep in the woods exchanging the drumsticks for bow and arrow. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Carlos Gomez, a retired Game Warden for the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife, sits down with Wayne in the continuation of his interview. Though now retired after a 41 year career, Carlos is still an active outdoorsman and a member of the National Wild Turkey Federation. In this episode, they discuss cases Carlos has been involved with and his interactions with other wardens. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Carlos Gomez spent 41 years as a game warden in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation - 34 years serving Tulsa County and 7 years serving in Oklahoma County. He is the only game warden in Oklahoma's history to spend his entire career in urban areas. Despite this, his time was filled with hunting and fishing interactions, as well as education of the public. In his retirement, he actively enjoys the outdoors and regularly attends meetings with conservation clubs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Christina Bobb is a news reporter for One America News focused on news from Washington DC and the current Administration. Christina was the Executive Secretary for Homeland Security, served as a Judge Advocate in the United States Marine Corps, and was a civil litigation attorney in the San Diego area. In addition, Ms Bobb holds a B.A. from Arizona State University, an M.B.A. from San Diego State University, a J.D. from California Western School of Law, and an L.L.M. in National Security Law from Georgetown University Law Center. Christina reported from Washington as the riots unfolded in recent weeks at the nation's Capitol. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After 28 years, Capt. Brian Albert has retired, but that doesn’t mean he’s done working. Brian spent time in the Air Force and then became a Ranger with Maryland's Eastern Shore. He also worked as a Public Information Officer and was in charge of a criminal investigations division during his career. Despite retirement, Brian is heavily involved with Maryland's International Wildlife Crimestoppers and other conservation organizations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wayne and John discuss a warden life across the border in Canada with special guest Sean Cronsberry. Sean is a dog handler and warden with the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry. He's handled several interesting cases with his K-9 companions Timber and Blaze. Sean covers a large area and has a unique area that involves the commercial fishing industry out of the great lakes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

John Anderson is a Game Warden with the Nevada Department of Wildlife. John patrols hundreds of acres in some of Nevada's best elk habitat and has seen his fair share of incredible cases over the years. John shares with us 3 of his best poacher cases along with some stories about how he became a game warden under what might be considered an unusual turn of events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

William “Bill” Bodner, a 28 year veteran of the Drug Enforcement Administration, assumed the role of Special Agent in Charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration Los Angeles Field Division in June, 2019. As the Special Agent in Charge, Mr. Bodner is responsible for overseeing the daily operations of 14 offices located in Nevada, Hawaii, Guam, Saipan, and the seven Southern California counties which make up the greater Los Angeles area. Mr. Bodner previously served as an Associate Special Agent in Charge of the Los Angeles Field Division from June, 2017 to May, 2019 and an Assistant Special Agent in Charge of the Los Angeles Field Division from April, 2009 to May, 2017. From 2006 to 2009, Mr. Bodner served as a Staff Coordinator at the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Special Operations Division, in Chantilly, Virginia. While assigned to the Special Operations Division, Mr. Bodner coordinated several high-level, multi-jurisdiction investigative operations and worked on high value target capture operations and classified projects. Between 1992 and 2006, Mr. Bodner worked the streets of Los Angeles as a Special Agent and Group Supervisor. Mr. Bodner has leveraged his extensive career in Los Angeles to develop and improve upon partnerships with state, local and other federal agencies. Mr. Bodner’ s vision is to conduct very impactful investigations on the most significant Drug Trafficking Organizations posing a threat to our region, keeping in mind the goal of improving the quality of life for those in our communities. Mr. Bodner reminds all, drug trafficking is not a victimless crime. The best way to avoid becoming a victim is to find something in life you are passionate about, don’t let drugs distract you from that passion and don’t ever let drugs become the passion. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Scott Fischer is an Officer with Arizona Game and Fish and also the director of the department's Operation Game Thief program. Scott and Wayne discuss the qualification for becoming an Arizona warden, Arizona's outdoor opportunities for big game outdoors men and women, and a few operations that Scott has been on trying to stop illegal drug trafficking. They also discuss how important the community is to assisting with illegal poaching through Operation Game Thief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Wright is the Assistant Chief with Idaho Fish and Game. Chris began his career in Montana and has had a colorful career involving many cases in Idaho. Chris, Wayne, and John discuss many of the details of Chris's biggest investigations including a case that involved 86 poached deer and a prosecution attempt that ended in political influences. We also discuss CWD, Operation Game Thief, citizen involvement to catch poachers, and creating gene diversity in wildlife populations when necessary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oliver North is a combat decorated U.S. Marine, #1 best-selling author, founder of a small business and holder of three U.S. patents. For seventeen years he was a syndicated columnist and host of “War Stories” on FOX News Channel. In May 2018, he retired from FOX News to serve as the 66th president of the National Rifle Association of America. North was born in San Antonio, Texas in 1943, graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1968 and served twenty-two years as a U.S. Marine. His awards for service in combat include the Silver Star, the Bronze Star for valor, and two Purple Hearts for wounds in action. From 1983-86 he served as Counter-Terrorism Coordinator on the National Security Council staff. He helped plan the rescue of U.S. students on Grenada, the liberation of American hostages, the capture of the Achille Lauro hijackers and the raids on Muammar Gadhafi’s terror bases; after which he was targeted for assassination by Abu Nidal’s Islamic Jihad. President Ronald Reagan described him as “an American hero.” North has authored seventeen best-selling books and is co-founder of Freedom Alliance, an organization serving wounded U.S. military personnel and their families. He is widely acclaimed for award-winning FOX News coverage of more than sixty U.S. units in combat and his Freedom Alliance “Hero College Scholarships” for children of service members killed or permanently disabled in the line of duty. Yet, he says his greatest achievement is being, “the God-fearing husband of one, father of four, and grandfather of eighteen.” LtCol North and his wife Betsy live in Virginia. In November 2018, they celebrated their 50th anniversary. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Holmes, a NH Fish and Game Conservation Officer and regular on North Woods Law, jumps in the pick up truck with Wayne to talk more about Matt's career as a Game Warden. They discuss in detail Matt's OHRV crash that occurred in June 2020 while on radar patrol. Special narration and commentary from Bob Mancini. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Holmes, a NH Fish and Game Conservation Officer and regular on North Woods Law, jumps in the pick up truck with Wayne this week to talk about Matt's career as a Game Warden. Wayne and Matt go way back and have lots of stories to tell on this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Along with being an ardent conservationist, Jana Waller is dedicated to supporting veteran organizations. She is committed to getting veterans back into the woods and the mountains, featuring many veteranʼs stories of courage and strength on her shows Skull Bound TV and Skull Bound Chronicles. To date, she has personally raised over $71,000 for conservation and veteran causes. Wayne and John discuss the details of her efforts in this episode. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From the Nancy Foley podcast stemmed a conversation with John about a bear poaching case that needed exploration. John and Wayne discuss a case in California that started as a small time investigation of bear poaching that lead to convictions on numerous game and firearm violations. The case expanded into a large scale illegal guiding service and John went undercover to crack the case wide open. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dennis Amsden was a Lieutenant and Game Warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Service. Dennis served with the Vermont F and G for 20 years and was involved in many cases over the years, from the high profile media cases to the everyday poaching incident. He shares with us his journey over his career, shares details about several memorable investigations, and hints on where he'd like to go in retirement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jason Piccolo is a former special agent and supervisor with the Department of Homeland Security. Jason patrolled trafficking corridors as a U.S. Border Patrol agent near the San Diego and Mexico Border and went on the disrupt major narco-smuggling organizations and landing an assignment to the prestigious White House Security Council's Human Smuggling Cell. Jason also served in the United States Army, including a tour in Iraq in 2006 to support the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force - Arabian Peninsula as their Anti-Terrorism Officer. Piccolo left military service in 2006 as an Infantry Captain after serving in the active and reserve components since 1993. Piccolo remains active as a mentor to veterans and spouses. Jason hosts the popular podcast, The Protectors w/Jason Piccolo. The Protectors brings true life stories from Law Enforcement, Military and First Responders; our Nation's "Protectors" AND those that support them. Protectors are those that run toward danger, the ones that put their lives on the line to keep us safe; here and abroad. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chief Nancy Foley spent 25 years in various capacities within the Law Enforcement Division. She was instrumental in raising the profile of California game wardens by securing better and more clearly marked patrol vehicles, developing the K-9 program and helping get National Geographic Channel’s Wild Justice, a show featuring California game wardens, to the airwaves. Foley was selected as the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies’ (WAFWA) Professional of the Year in 2011. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jack Bailey joined the Maryland DNR in 1987, assumed responsibilities on a state wide level later in his career, and proposed changes to laws and regulations to protect Maryland’s natural resources. Jack worked closely with the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service and the U.S. Department of Justice on several cases to prosecute violators. In retirement, Jack serves as the President of the Maryland Wildlife Crime Stoppers, Inc., and is a State Senator for the State of Maryland. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gabriella Hoffman is a media strategist, consultant, and award-winning outdoor writer based in the Washington, D.C. Metro Area. Gabriella specializes in social media management, strategic communications, branding, public relations, marketing, digital strategies, speaking/training, basic photography and videography. Gabriella hosts the weekly “District of Conservation” podcast and has been published in Field & Stream, Outdoor Life, Sporting Classics Daily, Sporting Classics Magazine. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices