John Hattie on Visible Learning and Feedback
John Hattie is one of the most acclaimed educational researchers on the planet! The author of 13 books, 300+ conference papers, and all around educational giant stops by this episode of Vrain Waves. We discuss why the type of feedback a teacher gives is more important than the quantity, what is visible learning, and why the mantra of every teacher should be "Know Thy Impact."
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Show Notes
Episode 018: John Hattie, Visible Learning
We are so excited to share with you the conversation we were lucky enough to have with Dr. John Hattie - educational researcher, professor, Director of the Melbourne Educational Research Institute, and overall brilliant person. Please enjoy, and send your questions, comments, discussions to us @VrainWaves to keep this conversation going!
Connect with Dr. John Hattie
Twitter: @john_hattie, @VisibleLearning | Website: https://visible-learning.org/
Connect with Vrain Waves
Twitter: @VrainWaves | Becky Twitter: @BeckyEPeters | Ben Twitter: @mrkalb
Links & Show Notes
- Out of our heads and into the classroom (01:18)
- Graphic Jam / dual coding (02:15)
- Everyone Can Create, Apple (03:45)
- Show me your values (04:17)
- Intro to John Hattie (07:11) | Hattie’s Meta-Analyses
- Start of interview (07:49)
- Hardware / software / inside - How we think (08:52)
- What is visible learning & what problem does visible learning answer? (10:38)
- 95-97% of what we do increases achievement to some degree
- Above average effect = >0.4 effect size / List of influences
- Know thy impact (13:59)
- Professional development (15:25)
- Moving from ‘how we teach’ to ‘how we interpret our impact’
- Hattie’s visible learning team workflow: (17:30)
- Teachers are to “D.I.E.” for
- Diagnosis = Needs Analysis (16 to 20 factors) - ask staff, teachers, students
- Intervention & Implementation
- Make sure the intervention addresses the diagnosis
- Implement effectively
- Evaluation
- Use a portfolio of evidence to change how we think
- Evaluation vs. Research (20:03)
- Evaluative mindset for educators
- Graham Nuthall’s research | book: Hidden Lives of Learners |
- Feedback discussion (23:28)
- Feedback given v. feedback received
- What type of feedback is received? (25:30)
- Importance of where to go next
- Amount of feedback the teacher receives about where to go next (26:40)
- June 2018 EdWeek article w / Dr. Hattie on Feedback (2018)
- 2011 article on feedback
- Directions for Assessment in New Zealand | NZ Assessment for Learning
- Visible Learning Feedback book, 2018
- Assessment-Capable Learners (28:33)
- Book: Developing Assessment-Capable Visible Learners
- Teaching students to be interpretive about their test scores
- Book: 10 Mindframes for Visible Learning
- Assessment as helping the teacher
- Nuthall: students know 40-60% of what is being taught
- ASCD Article - Fisher, Frey, Hattie: Assessment-Capable Learners
- Class Size Discussion (34:24)
- 0.2 effect size
- Same instruction in smaller v. larger classes (35:45)
- Hattie’s 2015 Reports: What Doesn’t Work in Education: The Politics of Distraction | What Works Best in Education: The Politics of Collaborative Expertise
- Gene Glass research
- Andreas Schleicher: TED Talk - Use Data to Build Better Schools
- Classroom relationships (39:32)
- Henry Levin (40:52) - The Economics of Student Time | Mapping the Economics of Education
- How do we make schools more inviting for students (40:03)
- Science of Learning Center in Melbourne (42:23)
- Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership (43:20)
- Strengths-based Education (45:56)