Unseen Leadership

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Jenaye White are joined by Ellie Holcomb who is a Dove award-winning singer/songwriter and author of two children’s books titled Who Sang the First Song, and her brand new kids book Don’t Forget to Remember, available now. During their conversation, they discuss how to lead with authenticity, how the creative process works, and how God’s plans are better than our own. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 32: “Music is a bridge builder. There is something about music that connects our story to someone else’s story, even if it is very different.” “I’ve had to learn to be who I am and to own my own story and to own my own pain.” “God didn’t come to make bad people good people. He came to make dead people alive people.” “Don’t let fear dictate your decision making and pay attention to what makes your heart beat fast and come alive.” “When I feel like I’m leading well, it is usually from a place of vulnerability and owning what I’m not good at.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Don’t Forget to Remember by Ellie Holcomb Who Sang the First Song by Ellie Holcomb The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron The Gifts of Imperfection by Brené Brown Rising Strong by Brené Brown For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Joshua Gagnon who is the founding and Lead Pastor of Next Level Church, which is one of the fastest growing churches in America and the author of his new book It’s Not Over. During their conversation, they discuss how to leading by asking good questions, building culture, and pursuing your dreams in a Godly way. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 31: “No one wants to listen to a young leader full of pride or thinks they know it all. They want to listen to a young leader who is submitted and full of honor.” “Older leaders don’t mind young leaders who ask good questions that lead to better results.” “I wanted to start a church where my friends would want to go.” “I had to learn to lead like a father rather than a brother.” “Emotions in the moment compromise the integrity you want to walk with.” “We have to be prepared to lead the moment, and often times we have not prepared our hearts to lead the moments we are stepping into.” “Leadership breaks down when we are not prepared to lead in a specific moment.” “If I’m moving the ball forward in an organization but not developing leaders for forward movement, that is going to create a lot of tension and roadblocks.” “Wait until the morning to handle conflict and make big decisions.” “Culture is what matters. Everyone talks about vision. But everybody has a vision. Tell me about the culture that supports the vision, and I’ll tell you if your vision is going to amount to anything.” “We often expect way too much out of the immediate and not enough over the ultimate.” “God will be fruitful. Our job is to be faithful at taking each piece in each season so that someday we’ll see our dream fulfilled.” “The fake me might get me further for the short term, but the real me will take me further over the course of a lifetime. I want to be real and allow people to get scary close.” RESOURCES MENTIONED It’s Not Over by Joshua Gagnon Red Zone, Blue Zone by James Osterhaus, Joseph Jurkowski, and Todd Hahn Tale of Three Kings by Gene Edwards Scary Close by Donald Miller For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Shannon Miles who is the Co-Founder and Co-Chair of Belay Solutions, a Virtual Assistant Company. During their conversation, they discuss how to take calculated risks, how to lead others with empathy, and how to lead remote teams. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 30: “When your desperation exceeds your embarrassment, you will make a change.” “I had to learn to stop applying my desires and ambitions to those I was trying to lead.” “Not everyone is like you, and not everybody can be lead the same way.” “You have to actually understand and know those you are leading.” “A leader can lose credibility simply in the language that they use.” “People will rarely remember what you say but they will remember how you make them feel.” “If we had not taken the risk, we would have had regret.” “The safest thing for us sometimes is to take risks.” “I don’t think there has ever been a better time to start a business.” “Always be looking to replace yourself.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Good to Great by Jim Collins This is Marketing by Seth Godin Purple Cow by Seth Godin Deep Work by Cal Newport Talking with Strangers by Macolm Gladwell Overcast Podcast App The Podcast App For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Andrew Peterson who is an award-winning sing-songwriter, creator of The Rabbit Room, and author of the Wingfeather Saga and his latest book Adorning the Dark. During their conversation, they discuss how to distinguish between pride and ambition, how to tell the difference between leadership and false influence, and how to lead as a creative. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 29: “There is no recipe for success. The best advice I can give to young leaders is say yes, keep working on your craft, and be available.” “Everything that I tried to make happen on my own, ended in a dead end.” “If your ambition is to leave a legacy, what you’ll leave a legacy of ambition.” – Rich Mullins “Your motives are never going to be perfectly pure, so don’t let that stop you from doing good work, but listen to the Spirit saying careful.” “You need to go to church with people who are not impressed with you.” “Knowing that you are not alone and that your struggles are familiar to other people is so helpful.” “A good thing can be a bad thing for us if that is not what God has given us to do.” “If you are honestly reading Scripture, it is almost impossible to get arrogant.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Adorning the Dark by Andrew Peterson Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott Walking on Water by Madeleine L’Engle Ragamuffin Gospel by Brennan Manning Deep Work by Cal Newport The Lion’s Gate by Steven Pressfield For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Kara Powell who is the Executive Director of the Fuller Youth Institute and a faculty member at Fuller Theological Seminary. She’s also the author of Sticky Faith, Growing Young, and a brand new high school curriculum titled Faith in an Anxious World. During their conversation, they discuss affirming leadership in others, when to pursue higher education and seminary, and how to handle anxiety and depression in the church. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 28: “Little by little we travel far” – J.R.R. Tolkien “If you want to read more, always keep a book with you.” “I wish I would have talked more freely about God with young people.” “It is easy to judge my day based upon how much I cross off my to do list. Instead, I’m constantly trying to reorient my compass to say my day is based on how well I loved God and how much I loved others as my self.” “One of the biggest mistakes we can make when it comes to anxiety and depression is simply not talking about it enough.” “My concern with personality tests is that it becomes our excuse to not grow.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Faith in an Anxious World curriculum Measure What Matters by John Doerr For more than 25 years, Portable Church® has helped thousands of churches launch strong and thrive in a mobile setting. We design custom solutions that fit each budget, vision, and venue. Everything you need to launch a mobile church — an inviting worship space, kids ministry areas, welcome spaces, storage cases, etc — all in a system refined to make it fast, easy & fun for the weekly volunteer teams. See what this looks like by visiting portablechurch.com/lifeway.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Eric Geiger who is the Senior Pastor of Mariners Church in Irvine, California. Before moving to Southern California, Eric served as senior vice-president here at Lifeway. He is the author of many books including Simple Church, Designed to Lead and his latest How to Ruin Your Life. During their conversation, they discuss how to build credibility with those you lead, how to equip others to do ministry, and how to replace a long term pastor. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 27: “As a young leader, you want to honor and respect those who have been there before you.” “One of the biggest mistakes a young leader can make is to bash the past and try and make themselves look like the hero.” “The pastor is not supposed to do all the ministry but instead, prepare others to do the ministry.” “Read or get out of the ministry.” – John Wesley “Reading helps you formulate your thinking and process information.” “Young leaders need to always stay curious and stay hungry.” “One of the biggest misconceptions of young leaders is that people will follow simply because of the role or position you have been placed in.” “You have to use your leadership role to serve others. Not use your role to be served by others.” “Find one thing you are passionate about and that your supervisor is passionate about and ask if you can run that initiative.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Spiritual Leadership by Oswald Sanders Leading Change by John Kotter 4 Disciplines of Execution by Chris McChesney, Sean Covey, and Jim Huling Not the Way It’s Supposed to Be by Cornelius Plantinga

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Will Mancini who is the Founder of Auxano, creator of VisionRoom.com and the author of his latest book Younique. During their conversation, they discuss how to discover your personal calling, receive honest feedback, and overcome approval addiction. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 26: “There is the me I want to be, and then there is the me God created me to be.” “There is no one who has ever walked planet earth that is built like you and made like you, and there is a real intention in who you are and your story.” “Every human being is a collection of other people’s expectations.” “When you stand before Jesus, he’s not going to care about what other people’s expectations were for you. He’s going to hold us accountable to who he made us to be.” “It is easy to be addicted to approval. Rather than understanding who I wanted to be, I was trying to please others.” “Words create worlds.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Younique by Will Mancini The Making of a Leader by Robert Clinton Under the Unpredictable Plant by Eugene Peterson Word Hero by Jay Heinrichs

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Bobby Gruenewald who is Pastor and Innovation Leader at Life.Church, a multisite church based in Oklahoma. He is also the founder of the YouVersion Bible App, which reached over 400 million installs in December 2019. During their conversation, they discuss how The Bible App came to be, how to steward what God has entrusted you, and how to lead as an entrepreneur. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 25: “I had an investor before I even had an idea which is a really backwards way to do it, but the Lord was providing.” “We feel like we are stewards of what he has entrusted to us, not owners.” “Young leaders, don’t wait for someone to ask you to solve a problem. Just start tackling it.” “I used to have the illusion that if I just worked harder than everyone else, that made me the leader.” “It is a difficult transition going from a leader who does everything to a leader who empowers their team.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Bible App Bible Lens Bible App for Kids

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by John Mark Comer who is the pastor for teaching and vision at Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon and the author of many books including his latest, The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand our limits, how to create a rule of life, and how to eliminate hurry. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 24: “We achieve inner peace when our schedule is aligned with our values.” “Leading from holiness also means leading from wholeness as a person.” “Young leaders should be incredibly wary of ideals, stereotypes, and formulas. We should rebel against the American gospel of upward mobility.” “We find God’s will for our life in our limitations.” “The more leadership you have, the larger the target for spiritual oppression is on your back.” “Pay less attention to idols, images, and aspiring to success, and pay more attention to inner work and who Jesus is calling you to become.” “If the enemy can’t underpromote you, he’ll overpromote you faster than your rhythms of grace can sustain.” “If you are working more than 40 hours a week, you are not doing your job well.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry by John Mark Comer Habitudes by Dr. Tim Elmore Atomic Habits by James Clear Domestic Monastery by Ronald Rolheiser

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter walk through their top books that were recommended on the podcast in 2019. One of the most common questions we have received is if we have a running list of all the books that are referenced to on the podcast. Well, now we do. You can find that list at leadership.lifeway.com/unseenbooks. YOUNG LEADER LIBRARY GIVEAWAY: In connection with this podcast episode, we are giving away a young leader library that includes all 15 books that we discuss in this podcast. To enter the giveaway, just share about the Unseen Leadership podcast on Instagram through a regular post or on your story and make sure to tag @unseenleadership. When you share, you’ll be entered to win the Young Leader Library, which is valued at over $175. TOP BOOKS: How to Lead When You are Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Peter Scazzero Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink Garden City by John Mark Comer Necessary Endings by Henry Cloud Spiritual Leadership by Oswald Sanders Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry Gaining by Losing by J.D. Greear Emotional Intelligence 2.0 by Travis Bradberry Atomic Habits by James Clear The Next Right Thing by Emily P. Freeman Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin Good to Great by Jim Collins Dangerous Calling by Paul David Tripp If You Only Knew by Jamie Ivey

One of the most common requests we get on social media is if we could create a running list of books that are referenced during each episode. So here you go! Unseen Leadership Episode 22: Art Rainer on The Importance of Relationships The First 90 Days by Michael D. Watkins Leading Change by John Kotter God and Money by Gregory Baumer and John Cortines Unseen Leadership Episode 21: Christine and Nick Caine on Growing as an Emotionally Healthy Leader The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Peter Scazzero Boundaries by Henry Cloud and John Townsend Necessary Endings by Henry Cloud Unseen Leadership Episode 20: Robby Gallaty on The Importance of Discipleship Lectures to My Students by Charles Spurgeon Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero Garden City by John Mark Comer Unseen Leadership Episode 19: Ed Newton on Slowing Down Your Leadership Visioneering by Andy Stanley Choosing to Cheat by Andy Stanley Pursuit of Holiness by Jerry Bridges Atomic Habits by James Clear The 100X Leader by Steve Cockram Unseen Leadership Episode 18: Ron Edmondson on Leading Where God Has Placed You The Mythical Leader by Ron Edmondson Unseen Leadership Episode 17: J.D. Greear on Doing Meaningful Things with Awesome People Gaining by Losing by J.D. Greear Good to Great by Jim Collins Confronting Christianity by Rebecca McLaughlin Destiny of the Republic by Candice Millard The Curse of Oak Island by Randall Sullivan Hero of the Empire by Candice Millard Unseen Leadership Episode 16: Matt Carter on How to Delegate Leadership The Long Walk Home by Matt Carter The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell Center Church by Tim Keller The Christ-Centered Expositor by Tony Merida Unseen Leadership Episode 15: Kevin Queen on Understanding Your Calling Reappearing Church by Mark Sayers Leadership and Self Deception by The Arbinger Institute Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink Unseen Leadership Episode 14: Brent Crowe on Learning from Others Linchpin by Seth Godin The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby Moments ’til Midnight by Brent Crowe Unseen Leadership Episode 13: Brad Lomenick on Healthy Ambition When by Daniel Pink H3 Leadership by Brad Lomenick The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell The Next Generation Leader by Andy Stanley Entre Leadership by Dave Ramsey The Power of Moments by Chip and Dan Heath Deep Work by Cal Newport Unseen Leadership Episode 12: Jenni Catron on Self Leadership The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership by Jenni Catron Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership by Ruth Haley Barton Spiritual Leadership by Oswald Sanders Emotional Intelligence 2.0 by Travis Bradberry Deep Work by Cal Newport Unseen Leadership Episode 11: Bob Russell on Healthy Conflict After 50 Years of Ministry by Bob Russell Conformed to His Image by Ken Boa Too Great a Temptation by Joel Gregory The American Miracle by Michael Medved Unseen Leadership Episode 10: Annie F. Downs on Leading Where You Flourish Remember God by Annie F. Downs Garden City by John Mark Comer The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero What If It is True by Charles Martin Unseen Leadership Episode 9: Ben Trueblood on Leading as a Student Pastor Read for Your Life by Pat Williams Garden City: Work, Rest, and the Art of Being Human by John Mark Comer Good to Great by Jim Collins Unseen Leadership Episode 8: Josh Patterson on Learning from Failure What Leaders Really Do by John Kotter Overcoming the Dark Side of Leadership by Gary L. McIntosh and Samuel D. Rima Daring Greatly by Brene Brown Creature of the Word by Eric Geiger, Matt Chandler, and Josh Patterson Unseen Leadership Episode 7: Kevin Peck on Developing Leaders in the Church Designed to Lead by Eric Geiger and Kevin Peck Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande Playing God by Andy Crouch Unseen Leadership Episode 6: Louie Giglio on Taking the Next Step Not Forsaken by Louie Giglio The Next Right Thing by Emily P. Freeman So Send I You by Oswald Chambers Unseen Leadership Episode 5: Jackie Hill Perry on How to Lead with Humility Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry Humility by CJ Mahaney Good to Great by Jim Collins The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff Unseen Leadership Episode 4: Levi Lusko on Living Open Handed with Your Plans Multipliers by Liz Wiseman The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell The 21 Indispensable Qualities of a Leader by John Maxwell How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie How to Lead When You are Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins When by Daniel Pink 16 Personalities The Path Between the Seas by David McCullough 1776 by David McCullough The Wright Brothers by David McCullough John Adams by David McCullough Unseen Leadership Episode 3: Clay Scroggins on How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins Search for Significance by Robert McGee The Culture Code by Daniel Coyle Unseen Leadership Episode 2: Jamie Ivey on Dealing with Your Past and Sharing Your Struggles with Others If You O

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Art Rainer who is the Vice President for Institutional Advancement at SEBTS and author of The Money Challenge. This past summer, he also released  a series of children’s books called The Secret Slide Money Club. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand your calling, focus on relationships, and handle your personal finances. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 22: “One of the mistakes young leaders can fall into is not connecting with the older leaders.” “We need to not neglect spending time with people who are not like us and are older.” “Too many young leaders give up way too soon.” “Financial health is an end in and of itself.” “The goal of financial healthy should be able to give and live generously.” “When you talk to those who are geared toward pursuing materialistic gain, they are often times incredibly financially healthy but they are still incredibly miserable.” “It is so important for future leaders to dive into books and study and read about the great leaders ahead of them.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The First 90 Days by Michael D. Watkins Leading Change by John Kotter God and Money by Gregory Baumer and John Cortines This Episode’s Sponsor: Every church must be equipped to respond well in the initial stages of learning about instances of sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. That is why the Southern Baptist Convention, Lifeway, and ERLC partnered together to create Becoming a Church that Cares Well for the Abused. This training curriculum of a handbook and 13 videos brings together top experts from various fields to help volunteers and leaders understand and implement the best practices for handling the variety of abuse scenarios at church, school, or ministry. You can access this free training at ChurchCares.com.

In this special episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast and 5 Leadership Questions podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Todd Adkins are joined by Christine and Nick Caine who are founders of the The A21 Campaign. During their conversation, they discuss how to focus on developing others, balancing delegation and excellence, and growing as an emotionally healthy leader. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 21: “We should always be focusing on developing pipelines and pathways so other people can be developed.” “If you are just going to do, you have already put a limit, a ceiling, and a lid on your leadership.” “We should always be thinking, how is this sustainable without me being the one to sustain it.” “I would take willingness to grow over giftedness and talent every day of the week because you can work with that.” “You have to inspect to make sure you get what you expect.” “Leaders need to be careful not to drive too hard in order to get an outcome at the sake of people. We have to remember we are working with people, and God loves people.” “The deeper I allow the Holy Spirit to do healing in me, the more effective leader I become.” “My gift quickly took me to a place that my character would not have kept me if God did not do a work in me.” “If the spotlight on you is brighter than the light of God within you, it is going to destroy you.” “The degree to which your heart is healthy is the degree to which you will remain a healthy leader.” “Being a healthy leader is the best gift you can give your team and your family.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Peter Scazzero Boundaries by Henry Cloud and John Townsend Necessary Endings by Henry Cloud 5LQ Episode 116: Pete Scazzero This Episode’s Sponsor: Every church must be equipped to respond well in the initial stages of learning about instances of sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. That is why the Southern Baptist Convention, Lifeway, and ERLC partnered together to create Becoming a Church that Cares Well for the Abused. This training curriculum of a handbook and 13 videos brings together top experts from various fields to help volunteers and leaders understand and implement the best practices for handling the variety of abuse scenarios at church, school, or ministry. You can access this free training at ChurchCares.com.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Robby Gallaty who is the Senior Pastor of Long Hollow Baptist Church, the founder of Replicate Ministries, host of the Making Disciples podcast, and the author of several books, including Growing Up. During their conversation, they discuss the importance of discipleship, how to empower others in ministry, and dealing with pride. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 20: “Even through the difficult times and the good times, God never wastes a hurt and he never wastes an opportunity in our past. He is going to use those experiences to refine us.” “The ministry you are leading will only grow to the capacity you will allow it.” “You need to yield to the Holy Spirit for him to work in you to work through you.” “Ministry is received, not achieved.” “Steward what you’ve been given with excellence and trust God with the rest.” “Sadly in ministry, we’ve become managers of spreadsheets, not shepherds of sheep.” “Young leaders overestimate what can be done in the short term and they underestimate what God can do in the long run.” “Pride’s favorite mask is humility.” “Your spiritual maturity will only grow to the level of your emotional health.” “For many of us, our calendar runs us, we don’t run our calendar.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Lectures to My Students by Charles Spurgeon Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero Garden City by John Mark Comer The Light Phone This Episode’s Sponsor: Every church must be equipped to respond well in the initial stages of learning about instances of sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. That is why the Southern Baptist Convention, Lifeway, and ERLC partnered together to create Becoming a Church that Cares Well for the Abused. This training curriculum of a handbook and 13 videos brings together top experts from various fields to help volunteers and leaders understand and implement the best practices for handling the variety of abuse scenarios at church, school, or ministry. You can access this free training at ChurchCares.com.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ed Newton who is the Senior Pastor at Community Bible Church in San Antonio, Texas, which is a diverse congregation with about 27,000 members. During their conversation, they discuss how to focus on relational equity, slow down in your leadership, and deal with criticism. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 19: “Leadership is more than a title, it is an assignment, and that assignment changes.” “One of the biggest mistakes for me was trying to go too fast, too soon.” “One of the challenges of a leader is taking what is so clearly seen to you and making that visible to other people as well.” “Culture eats strategy for breakfast.” “Sometimes as leaders, we become more concerned about the success of an organization than the health of an organization.” “One of my biggest misconceptions was thinking that everybody would love me.” “We must learn to receive a compliment or even a point of criticism in my head but not that go and destroy my heart.” “Eat the meat and spit out the bones when it comes to criticism.” “If we are better today than we were yesterday, we are winning.” “No one is called to be a Lone Ranger in ministry.” “We have to ask the question what is it like to sit across the table from ourself.” “Leadership begins with self awareness. You cannot lead someone else if you cannot lead yourself.” “In order to reproduce your life is someone else, you have got to have a life.” “The organization is only as healthy as you are.” “Being teachable is a trophy of being captured by God’s grace.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Visioneering by Andy Stanley Choosing to Cheat by Andy Stanley Pursuit of Holiness by Jerry Bridges Atomic Habits by James Clear The 100X Leader by Steve Cockram This Episode’s Sponsor: Every church must be equipped to respond well in the initial stages of learning about instances of sexual, physical, or emotional abuse. That is why the Southern Baptist Convention, Lifeway, and ERLC partnered together to create Becoming a Church that Cares Well for the Abused. This training curriculum of a handbook and 13 videos brings together top experts from various fields to help volunteers and leaders understand and implement the best practices for handling the variety of abuse scenarios at church, school, or ministry. You can access this free training at ChurchCares.com.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ron Edmondson who is the CEO of Leadership Network, a former pastor, and author of the book The Mythical Leader. During their conversation, they discuss how to lead where God has placed you, empower those in the pews, and create buy-in from your team. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 18: “Wherever God has allowed you to be, that is where he desires to use you.” “If you have certain skill sets that the church can use, then raise your hand and volunteer.” “As a senior leader, there is a weight that you carry that no one else will understand until they sit where you sit.” “You cannot expect people to own your world as much as you do.” “We don’t always get a seat at the table, but we should always be looking for a seat at the table in a humble way.” “If God calls you into something, he is going to equip you for it.” “One of the biggest myths of leadership is if I am hearing no one complain, everyone must be happy.” “We need to be quicker to admit when we do not know something.” “One of the things leaders struggle most with is self doubt.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The Mythical Leader by Ron Edmondson

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by JD Greear who is the pastor of The Summit Church, President of the Southern Baptist Convention, host of the Ask Me Anything podcast, and author of many books including his latest Above All. During their conversation, they discuss the need for surrounding yourself with great people, practical ways to create a healthy culture, and making mistakes slowly. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 17: “You don’t get leadership bestowed on you by a position, and if you do, those end up becoming the worst kind of leaders.” “It is the people you surround yourself with that determines both the quality of your ministry and life.” “Do meaningful things with awesome people.” “Make your biggest mistakes slowly.” “Pastors consistently overestimate what they can do in a church in 5 years and they underestimate what they can accomplish in 20 years.” “Culture eats strategy for breakfast.” “When I’m sick of saying it, our staff has just started to hear it. And when they are finally sick of hearing it, that means the congregational probably just heard it for the first time.” “It shouldn’t be who is in the room that determines a decision, but instead, it should be our values.” “Fame is making yourself accessible to a bunch of people you don’t really care about at the expense of those you do care about.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Gaining by Losing by J.D. Greear Good to Great by Jim Collins Confronting Christianity by Rebecca McLaughlin Destiny of the Republic by Candice Millard The Curse of Oak Island by Randall Sullivan Hero of the Empire by Candice Millard

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Matt Carter who is the Pastor of Preaching and Vision at The Austin Stone Community Church and is author or co-author of several books, including his latest The Long Walk Home. During their conversation, they discuss how to delegate leadership to others, how to live on mission, and how to strive for excellence with grace. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 16: “I decided from day one of the Austin Stone that we wanted to have a multi teacher model, and that I wasn’t going to be the only guy that preached.” “All leaders need to realize we have limitations. There are things we are good at and things that we are not good at.” “The whole idea behind the law of the lid is that an organization will only grow to the level of the capacity of the senior leader.” “If I had never given away power, influence, and leadership, I think we would have grown to a certain level and the growth would have stopped.” “I found where I was weak, gave those jobs away to others who were really good at it, and I let them run.” “What good does it do if we are growing a church, but I am losing my wife.” “Leadership is a pressure cooker. It takes time to learn and grow, especially in your character.” “Churches are kind of like a bus. People get on and they ride awhile and they get off, and you can’t take it personally.” “The best way to lead people is in gentleness and kindness like Jesus did.” “The point of striving for excellence is to remove all the distractions that are in the way so people can place their eyes on Jesus.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Man Catches Flying Bird with Bare Hand The Long Walk Home by Matt Carter The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell Center Church by Tim Keller The Christ-Centered Expositor by Tony Merida Free Ministry Grid Course on Christ-Centered Exposition with Tony Merida Your Unique Design Personality Test

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Kevin Queen who is the Lead Pastor of Cross Point Church right here in Nashville, TN. During their conversation, they discuss how to understand your calling, wrestling with disappointing others, and leading with humility. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 15: “Leadership is disappointing people at a rate that they can stand.” “We cannot please everyone and follow the call of God.” “Many a young man wants to do great things for God, but a better aim for one’s life is to do things for a great God.” “God is uniquely wired each of us with unique gifts to lead with.” “We can try to promote ourselves beyond our anointing, but God will never promote us beyond our anointing.” “Humility is fleeting. As soon as you think you are humble, it is gone.” “Once the leader speaks, the conversations is over, so let others speak before you give your answer.” “Prayer is an acknowledgement that God is in the midst of our meeting.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Reappearing Church by Mark Sayers Leadership and Self Deception by The Arbinger Institute Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Brent Crowe who is currently serving as Vice President for Student Leadership University. He is also the author of several books including his latest, Moments ’til Midnight. During their conversation, they discuss how to steward your influence well, how to learn from others’ experiences, and how to slow down to hear from the Lord. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 14: “When you steward your influence well, there’s a good chance the Lord will give you more influence, but it starts by laying any bit of influence you have down at the feet of Jesus.” “Leadership begins at the feet of Jesus.” “Leadership is devotional before it is practical.” “You can never go wrong by believing the best for someone else’s future.” “My biggest misconception was that experience was the best teacher. Someone else’s experience is your best teacher.” “Bring an open notebook any time you get to speak with a mentor.” “If you are always running, it does not give you time to stop and think.” “If hustle is an idol, then it is going to consume you and you will miss the peace that comes with slowing down and hearing from the Lord.” “Do for one what you wish you could do for everyone.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Linchpin by Seth Godin The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby Moments ’til Midnight by Brent Crowe This Episode’s Sponsor: With Ministry Grid’s library of over 3,500 training videos and 800 courses, it’s now simpler than ever to train every volunteer and leader in your church. For the month of August, you can get unlimited access to Ministry Grid for YOUR ENTIRE CHURCH for just $399 a year. If you want to take advantage of this incredible deal, just go to ministrygrid.com/podcast. 

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Brad Lomenick, who lead Catalyst for many years and is now a leadership consultant, speaker, founder of BLINC, and author of The Catalyst Leader and H3 Leadership. During their conversation, they discuss Brad’s leadership before he was the head of Catalyst and how to focus on significance over success, how to have healthy ambition, and how to have balance hustle and margin. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 13: “If I’m not helping others win and become who God created them to be, then I am not winning either.” “If the people closest to you aren’t getting the best of you, you aren’t winning as a leader.” “God needs to work on us in the private before we can lead in the public.” “If I’m winning, but my team isn’t, none of us were winning.” “There’s a big difference between connectors and networkers.” “Ambition is a ruthless pursuit of helping other people win.” “Twenty-somethings are known for their hustle.” “Success is about you, but significance is about others.” “The ability to influence people from anywhere in the organization has never been more available to us.” “Question-asking and curiosity are vital skills for leaders.” “Be honest, be transparent, be vulnerable, and be honest.” RESOURCES MENTIONED When by Daniel Pink H3 Leadership by Brad Lomenick The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell The Next Generation Leader by Andy Stanley Entre Leadership by Dave Ramsey The Power of Moments by Chip and Dan Heath Deep Work by Cal Newport This Episode’s Sponsor: With Ministry Grid’s library of over 3,500 training videos and 800 courses, it’s now simpler than ever to train every volunteer and leader in your church. For the month of August, you can get unlimited access to Ministry Grid for YOUR ENTIRE CHURCH for just $399 a year. If you want to take advantage of this incredible deal, just go to ministrygrid.com/podcast. 

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jenni Catron who is the founder of The 4Sight Group, a speaker, a leadership expert, and author of several books including The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership. During their conversation, they discuss how to be self aware, how to let others speak into your life, and how to lead yourself first before leading others. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 12: “If you want to work with widgets, go work in a factory. But if you want to work with people, you are going to have to learn to love them to lead them.” “Great leaders put feet to vision.” “The foundation of all leadership is self leadership.” “You’ve got to give people around you permission to speak into your life.” “Spiritual leadership starts by following Jesus first so that we can lead others as he leads us.” “It is easy to think our leadership is about us and for us.” “As leaders, we have the power to change and affect the lives of those in our sphere of influence.” “Lead yourself well to lead others better.” RESOURCES MENTIONED The 4 Dimensions of Extraordinary Leadership by Jenni Catron Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership by Ruth Haley Barton Spiritual Leadership by Oswald Sanders Emotional Intelligence 2.0 by Travis Bradberry Deep Work by Cal Newport This Episode’s Sponsor: With Ministry Grid’s library of over 3,500 training videos and 800 courses, it’s now simpler than ever to train every volunteer and leader in your church. For the month of August, you can get unlimited access to Ministry Grid for YOUR ENTIRE CHURCH for just $399 a year. If you want to take advantage of this incredible deal, just go to ministrygrid.com/podcast. 

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Bob Russell who is the former Senior Pastor of Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, KY and author of the book After 50 Years of Ministry. During their conversation, they discuss the need to delegate instead of doing it all, surrounding yourself with great leaders, and having healthy conflict. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 11: “A great slogan for lay leaders in the church would be ‘we are going to make our preacher successful.” “A lot of young pastors try to do everything themselves instead of empowering others to lead.” “If you have unity at the core, you can go through a lot.” “I’m convinced that 80% of the problems we have on church staffs would be resolved if we practiced what Jesus said in ’if you have something against your brother, go to him and talk about it between the two of you.’” “If you try to please everybody, you will wind up trying to do more than you can really do.” “Don’t rearrange the furniture in a room of a disoriented person.” “The most important thing a preacher does each week is prepare his sermon.” “We miss out on being who God wants us to be when we try to be somebody else.” “Be faithful, be joyful, and trust God for the rest.” RESOURCES MENTIONED After 50 Years of Ministry by Bob Russell Conformed to His Image by Ken Boa Too Great a Temptation by Joel Gregory The American Miracle by Michael Medved This Episode’s Sponsor: With Ministry Grid’s library of over 3,500 training videos and 800 courses, it’s now simpler than ever to train every volunteer and leader in your church. For the month of August, you can get unlimited access to Ministry Grid for YOUR ENTIRE CHURCH for just $399 a year. If you want to take advantage of this incredible deal, just go to ministrygrid.com/podcast. 

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Annie F. Downs, who is a speaker, podcaster, and bestselling author of many books including her newest book Remember God. During their conversation, they discuss leading through unlikely circumstances, leading with influence plus compassion, and leading where you flourish. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 10: “When you are in leadership, there is a heavier mantle on you and a higher requirement.” “Disobedience is always disobedience, whether that is disobeying by leading or disobeying by not leading.” “Your personal, private devotion to Jesus will gain you influence in the public declaration of Jesus.” “Who you are in private is going to play itself out on the stage. Nothing stays secret.” “When you figure out where you flourish and why, that is where you lead best.” “You can only be in the wrong seat on the bus for a short amount of time before you want off the bus, even if you are the star player on the bus.” “We have to want more people to live in their calling more than to be on our bus.” “The only way you can get done everything that God has for you is to sleep.” “Who you are in the private of your life is far more important than who you are in the public.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Remember God by Annie F. Downs Garden City by John Mark Comer The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero What If It is True by Charles Martin Blue Letter Bible

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Ben Trueblood who serves as the Director of Student Ministry for Lifeway Christian Resources and has seventeen years of student ministry experience, fourteen of which were spent in the local church as a student pastor. During their conversation, they discuss the importance of mentors, caring more about people than the results, and the biggest keys for leadership as a student pastor. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 9: “Leadership is a call to more.” “Don’t think you have it all figured out. Instead, go seek a mentor to learn from.” “If you don’t know the people you are leading, you won’t know how to lead them.” “People are not a means to an end. People are the end.” “Hold your vision lightly and your strategy loosely.” “Write your mission in ink and the plan in pencil.” “As a student pastor, you must be secure enough in your leadership to lead with confidence.” “Have the humility to involve subject matter experts when you are not one.” “Don’t feel the pressure to always be the smartest person in the room.” “As a leader, you have to be okay with people not liking the direction, decision, or approach you are taking.” “The higher you go up in leadership, there are more meetings, so you must learn to protect your time.” “If you are a young leader, surround yourself with people that can help you get better and know your gaps.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Student Ministry Podcast by Lifeway Students Read for Your Life by Pat Williams Garden City: Work, Rest, and the Art of Being Human by John Mark Comer Good to Great by Jim Collins

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Josh Patterson, the Lead Pastor over Ministry Leadership at The Village Church and co-author of the book Creature of the Word.  During their conversation, they discuss Josh’s leadership journey that lead him to the Village Church, and how to learn through failure, how to slow down and reflect on your leadership journey, and how to lead as the #2 guy as a strategic leader. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 8: “Starting in 2003, there was pretty tremendous growth. We grew at about 1,000 people a year for over a decade.” “Leaders grow through challenges. We were all in over our heads.” “As the organization grows, it forces the leaders to grow. And as leaders grow, it forces change into the organization.” “Leaders navigate and negotiate change.” “We must own our failures and walk humbly through them.” “Failure is hard, but if you are going to enter into the arena of leadership, you can expect to fall.” “The leaders I don’t trust the most are the ones who cannot own and admit their leadership failures.” “Preaching is not the only gift a church needs. It also needs strategic leaders and thinkers.” “Anybody can come up with a great vision. It’s a whole different thing to strategically lead toward that vision.” “There are some who lead because they preach, and there are some who preach because they lead.” RESOURCES MENTIONED What Leaders Really Do by John Kotter Overcoming the Dark Side of Leadership by Gary L. McIntosh and Samuel D. Rima Daring Greatly by Brene Brown Creature of the Word by Eric Geiger, Matt Chandler, and Josh Patterson 

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Kevin Peck who is the Lead Pastor of The Austin Stone Church and co-author of Designed to Lead. During their conversation, they discuss Kevin’s leadership journey that brought him to the Austin Stone and how he learned to lead in the marketplace before the church, how to develop leaders in the church, and how to scale your ministry. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 7: “Lead often and fail just as much but learn along the way because leadership is tough, so you might as well knock out some lessons early.” “Leadership is not this privilege of power you possess, it is a privilege of responsibility and stewardship.” “The economics of the kingdom are so different from the economics of the world in so many ways, especially in leadership.” “The best training that I ever got to do my job was actually in the marketplace, not the church.” “Leading people at work in the marketplace is not the same as leading volunteers, so you must lead them through vision, not a paycheck.” “I have so much to do that I shall spend the first three hours in prayer.” – Martin Luther “One of the most important parts of developing leaders is intentionality.” “If you never write down your systems and philosophies, it will never be replicable and scalable.” “I would tell a young leader to be a hard worker, be intentional with people, and be humble with correction.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Designed to Lead by Eric Geiger and Kevin Peck Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande Playing God by Andy Crouch

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Louie Giglio who is the Pastor of Passion City Church, the Founder of the Passion movement, and author of many books including his latest Not Forsaken. During their conversation, they discuss Louie’s journey to founding the Passion movement, how the pain of losing his dad has shaped his leadership, and how to not read your own headlines and remain humble. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 6: “What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us.” – A.W. Tozer “God is not the reflection of your earthly father; he is the perfection of your earthly father.” “Back in 1977, ministry looked like being a senior pastor, associate pastor, missions director, youth minister, or an evangelist, and I looked at all those boxes, and one of those boxes didn’t ring the bell for me” “Leadership is communicating vision, trying to marshal people in a direction, reminding them of what God is calling them to, helping them endure the valleys and take the hills.” “Leadership is just taking the next step with God.” “Every great leader has to go through the fire. God can’t use a man greatly until he wounds him deeply.” “Reading your own press and reading your own headlines is the detriment to being the kind of leader that Jesus calls us to be.” “Humility is the greatest character trait of leadership, and it is a byproduct of being in the presence of an almighty God.” “Too often young leaders focus too much on the end game.” “What we need in this generation is less Amazon prime book ordering and more closing the closet door and getting on our face before God.” “The most undervalued component of leadership is simply thinking.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Not Forsaken by Louie Giglio The Next Right Thing by Emily P. Freeman So Send I You by Oswald Chambers Birkman Personality Test

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jackie Hill Perry who is a musical artist, speaker, master of the spoken word, and author of Gay Girl, Good God. During their conversation, they discuss how to deal with shame as a leader, how to lead with vulnerability, the need for having mentors in your life, and how to lead with humility. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 5: “I’m really just a person who wants to show people that God really is honest in all that he says, namely that He changes people.” “It is easier to be honest with people when you are honest with God.” “The hardest thing for leaders is that we are the hardest person to lead and our own worst enemy. “Our personality is not an excuse not to love or serve others.” “There is a wake of leadership that is left behind from our mentors.” “Great leaders don’t just tell you what to do, they show you what to do.” “We need to be careful how we steward our influence.” “The stage does not equal leadership.” “Until a person is content with serving on the ground they should be leary of serving up on the mountain.” “It is easy to confuse leadership with control.” “Don’t believe the hype for yourself.” “You don’t need permission to function in your gifting and lead.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry Humility by CJ Mahaney Good to Great by Jim Collins The Coddling of the American Mind by Greg Lukianoff SPREAD THE WORD AND WIN! Like what you hear? Rate and review this podcast, and you’ll be entered to win one of five Young Leader Book Bundles, valued at $150*. Just send a screenshot of your review to [email protected], and you may be selected at random to win. *Terms and conditions apply. Young Leaders Book Bundle includes Genuine Leather Personal Size CSB Bible, The Lost Sermons of C. H. Spurgeon, Designed to Lead, and Scrappy Church.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Levi Lusko who is the author of the bestselling books Through the Eyes of a Lion, Swipe Right, and his latest I Declare War. He is also the lead pastor of Fresh Life Church – a multisite church located in Montana, Utah, Oregon, and Wyoming. During their conversation, they discuss living open handed with your plans, determining the calling on your life, and how to develop leaders through asking the right questions. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 4: “When it comes God’s plan for our life, the answer should always be yes, then ask what’s the question.” “If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.” “God is a plan-wrecker.” “There are two key moments in your life: the day you were born and the day you figure out why.” “Our natural tendency is to give all of the answers rather than ask the right questions.” “You will be more valuable to your organization as a genius maker than you ever will be as a genius.” – Liz Wiseman “When leading a team, we must remember the team is not a means to an end, they are the end.” “Following is an under-appreciated form of leadership.” “The way you lead when you are not in charge prepares you for how you will lead when you are in charge.” “We don’t start with leadership, we start with followership.” “One of my biggest misconceptions was that I had to be certain in order to act.” “You have to learn to be content with the season you are in while still having a mind toward the future.” “Be willing to act even when you don’t necessarily have the answer.” “God is going to do more through you than you think he can, but it is going to hurt more than you think it will.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Multipliers by Liz Wiseman The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership by John Maxwell The 21 Indispensable Qualities of a Leader by John Maxwell How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie How to Lead When You are Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins When by Daniel Pink 16 Personalities The Path Between the Seas by David McCullough 1776 by David McCullough The Wright Brothers by David McCullough John Adams by David McCullough SPREAD THE WORD AND WIN! Like what you hear? Rate and review this podcast, and you’ll be entered to win one of five Young Leader Book Bundles, valued at $150*. Just send a screenshot of your review to [email protected], and you may be selected at random to win. *Terms and conditions apply. Young Leaders Book Bundle includes Genuine Leather Personal Size CSB Bible, The Lost Sermons of C. H. Spurgeon, Designed to Lead, and Scrappy Church.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Clay Scroggins who is one of the Lead Pastors at Northpoint Community Church. He is a jack of many trades, the master of hosting, and the author of How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge. During their conversation, they discuss leading as a student pastor while desiring to be a lead pastor, opening yourself up to feedback, and developing your self. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 3: “We don’t need to be asking how do we get bigger. We need to be asking how can we get better. And if we get better, others will demand we get bigger.” “God trusts us with more responsibility when we’ve shown we are faithful in the little things.” “You can create an oasis of excellence wherever you are. Whether you are in a student ministry, kids ministry, or in charge of cleaning out the closets, you can create an oasis of excellence” “The best thing I can ever give anybody with my leadership is my personal holiness and a character of Christ.” “Being a student of yourself is the best evaluation. Experience alone does not make somebody great, but it is evaluated experience that makes you a better leader.” “There is no manual that comes with leadership. It really comes down to the health of the person.” “Authority is not what makes a great leader. You can do anything from any position in the organization.” “Getting better at leadership is just sanctification. It is God forming you into his likeness.” “You can’t wait for someone else to lead you. Great leaders lead themselves well.” “Whatever is worrying my boss, should be worrying me.” “Resist the urge to feel like you have to know it all. People are attracted to someone who is willing to say I don’t know and let’s figure it out together.” RESOURCES MENTIONED How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins Search for Significance by Robert McGee The Culture Code by Daniel Coyle SPREAD THE WORD AND WIN! Like what you hear? Rate and review this podcast, and you’ll be entered to win one of five Young Leader Book Bundles, valued at $150*. Just send a screenshot of your review to [email protected], and you may be selected at random to win. *Terms and conditions apply. Young Leaders Book Bundle includes Genuine Leather Personal Size CSB Bible, The Lost Sermons of C. H. Spurgeon, Designed to Lead, and Scrappy Church.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Jamie Ivey, the host of the Happy Hour Podcast and author of If You Only Knew. During their conversation, they discuss how to deal with your past and share your struggles with others, how to wrestle with the fear of not measuring up as a leader, and how young women can grow as leaders. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 2: “With great power comes great responsibility…isn’t that a Spiderman reference?” “We all need to be faithful with the leadership and influence God has given us.” “We don’t have to seek after leadership. If God wants to give you leadership, it will seek out after you.” “When we share our struggles and where we’ve been, Jesus looks really good.” “It is essential to have people in your life who you can be completely vulnerable and honest with and lay everything on the table.” “You don’t have to say everything that is true. You just have to make sure everything you say is true.” “You can grow as a leader publicly, but be dying privately.” “If you want to start leading, just do the next thing that is in front of you.” “It is so easy to want to be in the position of someone who is 10 years down the road” “If you are not doing the work with the people in front of you, I don’t know how you are going to get bigger things. ” “If you want to get started leading, serve right where God has you.” “Surround yourself with really good people who love God and do really good work.” RESOURCES MENTIONED If You Only Knew by Jamie Ivey SPREAD THE WORD AND WIN! Like what you hear? Rate and review this podcast, and you’ll be entered to win one of five Young Leader Book Bundles, valued at $150*. Just send a screenshot of your review to [email protected], and you may be selected at random to win. *Terms and conditions apply. Young Leaders Book Bundle includes Genuine Leather Personal Size CSB Bible, The Lost Sermons of C. H. Spurgeon, Designed to Lead, and Scrappy Church.

In this episode of the Unseen Leadership podcast, Chandler Vannoy and Josh Hunter are joined by Carey Nieuwhof who is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He’s the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn’t See It Coming. He also hosts the top-rated Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast where he interviews some of today’s best leaders. During their conversation, they discuss how to handle and avoid burnout as a leader, how to focus on helping others rather than building a platform, and why leaders need to focus more on growing in their character over their competency. QUOTES FROM EPISODE 1: “70% of leaders under 40 say that they experience symptoms of burnout.” “You think the rules never apply to you until they do.” “Live in a way today that will help you thrive tomorrow.” “I overestimated competency and underestimated character.” “Without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God. And without knowledge of God, there is no knowledge of self.” “You can be winning in ministry, but losing at home, and if you are losing at home, you are losing it all.” “I want to care less what the people I don’t know think about me. And I want to care about more about the impact I have on people that I actually know.” “People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care.” “If you listen longer than most people will listen, you will hear things most people never hear.” “You have to be careful that your character is outpacing your platform.” “Seek to be helpful. Don’t seek to build a platform.” “Work twice as hard on your character as you do on your competency.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Didn’t See It Coming by Carey Nieuwhof Emotionally Healthy Church by Pete Scazzero The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Pete Scazzero The Genesee Diary by Henri J. M. Nouwen 12 Rules for Life by Jordan B. Peterson SPREAD THE WORD AND WIN! Like what you hear? Rate and review this podcast, and you’ll be entered to win one of five Young Leader Book Bundles, valued at $150*. Just send a screenshot of your review to [email protected], and you may be selected at random to win. *Terms and conditions apply. Young Leaders Book Bundle includes Genuine Leather Personal Size CSB Bible, The Lost Sermons of C. H. Spurgeon, Designed to Lead, and Scrappy Church.

We are excited to announce, Unseen Leadership, the newest podcast from the Lifeway Leadership Podcast Network. On the Unseen Leadership podcast, hosts Chandler Vannoy (Brand Manager, Lifeway Leadership) and Josh Hunter (Director, Student Life Camp) explore the unseen stories that have made leaders who they are today. This podcast will be featuring guests like Carey Nieuwhof, Jamie Ivey, Clay Scroggins, Jackie Hill Perry, Levi Lusko, and many more. Unseen Leadership is a podcast for young leaders to learn from those ahead of them by exploring the early days of their leadership, understanding the mistakes they made, and identifying the habits that shaped them. All to help you lead in the future. Spread the word and win! Like what you hear? Rate and review this podcast, and you’ll be entered to win one of five Young Leader Book Bundles, valued at $150*. Just send a screenshot of your review to [email protected], and you may be selected at random to win. *Terms and conditions apply. Young Leaders Book Bundle includes Genuine Leather Personal Size CSB Bible, The Lost Sermons of C. H. Spurgeon, Designed to Lead, and Scrappy Church.