#45- A Hart of Gold

Alice & Yvette are joined by multi award winning veteran pornstar and cat lover, Lance Hart (@lancehartfetish). The MFF this week discuss sweets, cross over performers, industry testing, how he almost accidentally died on set, and dick injections. Don't forget to leave us a review!

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Unknown Speaker 1:01 This is two girls one mic the show that talks about the holes and plot holes of your favorite porn.

Alice Vaughn 1:09 Welcome to Two girls one Mike where we couldn't afford getting sponsored by I can't believe it's not butter, but we did get Fuck off. It's not Manet's. I'm your co host Alice Vaughn. And with me I have my fantastic co host you've had Don trauma David, how you doing today? I'm confused about where I'm supposed to put the mayonnaise. Is this an anal lube is this is this part of foreplay, I'm, I'm perturbed about why couldn't we get I can't believe it's not but why not butter? Why not just go straight for lard or coconut oil? No, no, I mean, it's kind of like when I get yogurt out of fridge and I hope these aren't Hornets or you know, I get the off brand version where it's like, oh fuck my ass, but that's good. peanut brittle. You know what you pick up at Trader Joe's right now I'm picturing eating peanut brittle off of a pussy but it's kind have like you know those little candies? You got off like the little button candies off of paper. It'd be like that like it's like a preset appetizer. Can I be honest? I never ate any of those candies. You know what you're not missing out. It's little dots of idiocy that just looked cute. This was not a good candy. We had some bad candies, kids, but they looked adorable enough to eat and I think that's what matters. Yeah, we were tricked into that one. We were tricked into wanting it. We were tricked into telling our parents to buy it and then we sat there going, this is fun. And while we ate paper, we ate sugar. We colored sugar i'd paper and we enjoyed it. So you kids with your iPhones and your better candy than us. You know what, fuck it. We got to run around outside and not have our childhoods on social media. So it was pretty cool. That's the one good thing where you know, we can't be held back from college because of our social media. You know, I'm just saying but we lived in fear of our quote, permanent record. So yeah, like there's shit that I just didn't do because I'm pretty sure that I was Like no matter what you said did something someone was going to find out like so I think that just kept me from not doing bad milk too much bad shit. I mean, the internet is definitely a permanent record nowadays, but I kind of want to go back to a candy jewelry. I mean, now I'm thinking about candy panties and the ones with hard candy. For who's the Woodchuck? Hmm, who can tear through those with their teeth? Not any dentist, whose dentures are possible most Chuck awful balls. That's Yeah, that's that's some inappropriate shit right there. That's not okay. I don't feel good about that. I'm going to need more therapy for that one. Sorry. It's just

Unknown Speaker 3:41 a blank childhood.

Yvette d'Entremont 3:43 Look, my childhood ruined my childhood. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 3:47 I do what I do. Well, you know, there's someone else we could ask for their opinion. And that is we're having an MFF today. I'm so excited. I think we need more of these in our life. I agree. And we're not only having it with Any ATM we're having a fantastic today. Oh, with Lance Hart. Oh, Lance, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. You just came from work. So thank you so much.

Lance Hart 4:11 Well, I was just downstairs in order didn't have to commute. So they're actually still the people that are paid to fuck each other today. They're still in my kitchen eating candy. Speaking of candy, we had

Yvette d'Entremont 4:22 to pay people to fuck each other today. That's, that is not a thing I got that I've ever gotten to do in my life as a scientist. So this is Yeah, tell our audience what you do.

Lance Hart 4:31 Well, one of them is a scientist. So there's that but there's just coincidentally but I make porn and I put it on the internet. Wait,

Yvette d'Entremont 4:38 a scientist in the porn are a scientist for the day job.

Lance Hart 4:41 He was a chemical engineer, I guess. Yeah, for the government, I think and then a bunch of than a pro rugby player. And then now he's a male porn star. You know, it's kind of done at all. Yeah, that's good to know. But what do I do? I do I make more and I put it on the internet. And I try to make money from that and it works. works out really good. And then I'm 40 but people still put me in there porn. Yeah.

Alice Vaughn 5:04 I mean, Lance, you've been doing this for well over 10 years. I mean, you're one of the most prolific adult stars there is. I mean, I, I kind of want to come through the awards, but there's too many to list. Oh, you've done it there for years. They're all stuff they

Lance Hart 5:18 like I've won an award, but no one had heard of the like festival that it came from, you know, to meet and then finally, this year, they're starting to the bigger ones are coming. There's a

Yvette d'Entremont 5:25 pile now. So it's hard to ignore.

Lance Hart 5:27 Yeah, they just sit around. There's like a n table thing that my cats lay on. And they kind of weave in between them. And like, they're rather chin on like, because some of them are spiky. You know, the awards, and they just they like that skin for the cat rubber. Do

Yvette d'Entremont 5:42 you have enough awards for a scratching post for your

Unknown Speaker 5:44 scratching? Yeah.

Lance Hart 5:48 It's good. That's what I wanted. And then Charlotte My wife has too so it's, you know, it's a mixed bag. It's a mixed bag of just pointy thanks. All the porn awards. None of them are things you'd want to put in your but

Unknown Speaker 5:59 I know Kate Kennedy once did to someone else, she fucked someone. I think she put an AVM into someone's butt or vagina. I don't know one of those holes. Maybe it was dp.

Lance Hart 6:12 Yeah. My friend Pierce Paris put a gay vn, which is the same, it's the same award. It's the same size and everything. He put one of those up as bought this year. And it was his big. I was like to him too. That's aggressive. He's brave. like Abraham Lincoln said he's brave to put that up as a pioneer.

Unknown Speaker 6:26 I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Abraham Lincoln said.

Lance Hart 6:30 About bravery. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 6:32 Well also about putting stuff into your ass. Yeah, there's a lot of bravery involved. You said something about bravery and put things in your butt. I do remember that in the Gettysburg Address, Four score and seven years ago, our forefathers said let us shove this up our asses. Yeah, that was that was you know, in there. It was subtext.

Lance Hart 6:49 Yeah. He had a boyfriend right didn't Lincoln. Someone told me that I heard it on the internet.

Yvette d'Entremont 6:54 You know how I heard fairly recently was bisexual. Mr. Rogers.

Lance Hart 6:58 Oh yeah. I believe it to you. That's immediate. I'm like, yeah,

Yvette d'Entremont 7:01 that made me so happy. The nicest human being ever also bisexual also

Lance Hart 7:05 does it all. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was. Today was a good day we, uh, speaking of candy, we get a lot of candy and I always have a lot of candy. I have you know, sprees. You know sprees are like

Yvette d'Entremont 7:18 chewy spray or like the crumbly spray. That's that's our way. I don't know what a chewy spree is like a top tier candy. Yeah,

Lance Hart 7:26 I like the original sprig. I like chewy sprays, but the thing is, they're so tart. You can't eat like two mouthfuls of them. It's too much you're like I've had too much now I want to eat something healthy or something stupid, but like sprees, the original it's just sugar it's like a hard like disc of sugar sweet tart, but it's got Oh, okay. That's basically what it is. But they're delicious. And they don't sell them and gas stations anymore. They're now they still sweetheart. That was pretty so I ordered them online so I get like a box from Amazon like once a month. Put them in the pantry.

Yvette d'Entremont 8:00 All my relatives live in Canada. So whenever I'm up there sprees are everywhere. Oh, they have Saprissa

Lance Hart 8:04 is it wonder if it's a Canadian? Well, it's a Wonka thing. Is he Canadian?

Yvette d'Entremont 8:08 I don't know if it's a Canadian thing or if it's just they're popular up there. So I find them like there are candies that like I lived in England for a while my relatives are in Canada and they have the same little bits of candy up there. So whenever I'm up there, I'm like, I'm stocking up now. Yeah, I have a suitcase full of candy right like this will last a year. Nope.

Lance Hart 8:26 Yeah, I'll go to Germany a few weeks with my wife and I've never been to Europe so I'm like exhausted

Yvette d'Entremont 8:32 yeah she's gonna have a million suggest Alice is polish and she pollen she'll have the simpson

Lance Hart 8:38 said Germany's Atlanta chocolate so I'm interested like as to how they roll but I'm just I'm really into American like Snickers bars and shit you know to be like really like the I've had fancy chocolate, but I like a watch McCall or like a take five bar. So I'm like interested how that roll.

Yvette d'Entremont 8:53 I have one suggestion. Try everything. Yeah, you can find it. Do you like Cadbury eggs

Lance Hart 9:00 So my thing I'm not super into Cadbury eggs.

Yvette d'Entremont 9:03 Here's the thing the British Cadbury egg is bigger and it has a different chocolate and a slightly more marzipan II taste to the cream inside. And I have a picture of the two of them side by side and it like blew people's minds because they're like what? I'm candy is bigger outside of the US.

Lance Hart 9:20 Yes, I'm American. Yeah, it was I lived there for grad school and I was just I was like, Why are these so addictive? I didn't like them in the US and I realized the ones in the US are made by Hershey's so maybe over there I like them. I'm way open minded. I mean, I want to know I want to get all the sausages and Charlotte says they have a pastry like really good pastry. We're going to go crazy on pastries. So it's gonna be I'm just gonna be a big fat person when I get home. It's gonna be you're gonna

Unknown Speaker 9:45 walk so much that you'll you won't gain anything. What I highly suggest I'm huge on curry worst. So get some curry worst which is basically Bratwurst with curry and get some fries and mayo in the middle. They have in Germany I don't know what they put in it okay um if they put actual Germans in them yeah who knows maybe it's very possible yeah exactly so maybe ash that's still in the air if you are offended by that joke I am our designated you email us at info into girls on my send me your hatred for making a joke about my dead relatives. Yeah but the point is it is delicious curry worse the fries Mayo especially after i mean i don't know if you drink or not but a beer tour.

Lance Hart 10:33 Oh I don't drink so I'm yeah so over a long time but I'll eat the crapper candies and stuff. I'll eat food that's like cooked and alcohol as long as it's not like yeah, like what am I gonna eat or rumble? I think

Yvette d'Entremont 10:44 was cooked it alcohol the alcohol Yeah,

Lance Hart 10:47 I mean to some extent like like beer better I actually I would eat I'm not like it's not like oh, that's bad for me. But I just I don't like the taste because I yeah beer which for me was for getting drunk. It wasn't like I wanted to drink for the Tastes drink like Gatorade or some shit. You know? Like it wouldn't be drinking beer, you know, but

Yvette d'Entremont 11:04 I'm lucky with alcohol like it just I don't like feeling drunk. So it's like I'll have I will have one and at that point, I'm like, Whoa, the roof spinning so I've got I have one drink tolerance, and I know that's where I stop. Yeah, you don't. You don't have the alcohol on the other hand, we deal.

Lance Hart 11:21 Are you in LA?

Unknown Speaker 11:22 Indeed? Are you okay? Yeah,

Lance Hart 11:24 no, I just you said not So assume delay. So please, yeah, indeed. Everybody's Hi. It's awesome. Vegas

Yvette d'Entremont 11:30 is it's legal now. So you get a contact when you get off the plane at LAX. Yeah,

Lance Hart 11:34 it's

Yvette d'Entremont 11:36 so Hi. It's funny. Well, my family's in the industry. So okay, my in laws, so it's just it's unavoidable. Basically.

Lance Hart 11:43 Yes, everywhere. I think it's cool. It's better than locking people up for that shit. That's crazy. That Yeah, seems barbaric. Only like six months later, right?

Unknown Speaker 11:52 Yeah. Now all they have to do is release everybody who's a nonviolent drug offender who ever went to jail for an ounce of pot. Yeah. Get on that next I know in New Jersey they attempted to legalize pot in some sense but that was the exact issue they got stuck over they weren't sure whether or not where do we draw the line as far as convictions go and releasing people you know what was the exact amount and they couldn't figure that out and for that reason purchased in become legal in New Jersey Wow, they couldn't figure out how to be nice about shit so they're like let's just not be nice at all. Yeah, like hey, just what makes you enthusiastic about pot versus a pot dealer versus you just have a lot of pot right and you know that all these fuckers smoke like I'm sorry, I know politicians. I've gotten enough of them. Hi. These assholes all benefit from the fact that they run the country so they they're no they're not going to get in trouble. Yeah, so takes a lot for all of you that I've gotten high, fucking make it legal.

Lance Hart 12:49 I grew up in DC and our mayor was on crack. And then he got reelected. He got caught on he was on the news smoking crack with a hooker

Yvette d'Entremont 12:58 well done. That's like a trip. Right there. We're watching our

Lance Hart 13:01 mayor and he's on TV and he's just getting busted. And he's just hi is this guy on crack and he's like that bit set me up that bush set me up. So that was a running joke in DC if he got caught doing anything bad, you're just like that bit set me up, you know, because the mayor was on crack, and they reelected him. Wait, what's

Unknown Speaker 13:20 his name? Like? Marian barriers?

Lance Hart 13:23 is an actual Berry. It's an actual like there's a fruit a berry. That's a marionberry in his name, his name would be like if your your full name was strawberry, girl CRAN gram what's your last name? berry cranberry? Okay, that's the thing. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 13:38 If you have a barrier, please email us at info to girls one Mike comm we want to hear from you. I want someone named absolute to email us. ABCD people have named their kids that absolutely. Oh my god. Like I don't know if someone looked at that and went Wow, that's a beautiful name and only realized later it was the first five letters but I look at that, like, I can't help but laugh. Little bit at that and I feel bad because I thought that's not trying. That's what that is, you know, maybe in someone else's language that's just a beautiful name and I'm, you know, I could be the duck here but I'm also going up to the

Lance Hart 14:12 Yeah, I can't not laugh at a cat I couldn't name for a long time.

Unknown Speaker 14:15 You're not the deck. I mean, the parents are the deck. I look at it and go was that like a 72 hour labor? Like at that point? I'd be like, abs. Abs. Fuck you, kid. Well, you have to write letters, ma'am. Oh, go home. Okay, cool. It's like the parents who name their kids the reverse version of heaven. nivia.

Yvette d'Entremont 14:35 Yeah, please, parents. Please don't do this to your kids. I'm just saying it's been done.

Lance Hart 14:40 I didn't get to pick my porn name. I wanted to be Rufus. thunderpants. Oh, I thought it sounded flashy.

Yvette d'Entremont 14:45 Rufus. thunderpants. Is bankable as fuck.

Lance Hart 14:47 It sounds good. It would have been a long Twitter. I didn't consider Twitter because it was like 2007. But um, I was working for a gay porn company. And it was like glamour gay porn. It's like fancy like Shaun Cody is fancy gay porn. They said what you want your name to be? I was like Rufus thunderpants and they're like, Lance, just Lance no last name. And I was like, Okay, I'll be Lance. So there you go. And then when I got out of the contract there I just threw heart at the end but

Unknown Speaker 15:12 I get to pick it you know up here someone's hard at work. So how did you get into porn?

Lance Hart 15:18 Well I tried a lot of jobs in a sucker all of them and then as it turns out, I was pretty good at porn. So you know to read I go where your talent is yours, Helen is all my friends were like, I mean, I went to college big waste time and got a degree and did that scam and then what's your degree in English? Like what creative writing but really, it's like American literature because there's not much I don't know, in other schools at my school, we took like two classes where we wrote for a creative writing degree and then the rest of it was reading American literature. So it was like modern American literature I guess. So I did that got jobs, business jobs. It was a businessman wore suit and sucked at that. And then that did a lot of construction Joe jobs valet retail Yours, all kinds of shit. And then, um, my friends were like, you gotta find what you love. You know, but one of the best friends is a construction guy and he's passionate about it. And he loves it. And he's good. He makes a shit ton of money, because he can make the most beautiful kitchen or bathroom in the world. You know what I mean? He's just amazing. So he's an artist. That's cool. I don't have anything like that. And meanwhile, I'm like, jerking off to porn, like, three, four hours a night. It's right in front of me. And everyone's like, do what you love. And then someone asked me to, you know, they're like, you can be at our porn. And then I did it. No, it's like, this is it. This is what I'm good at what and then it took a couple years to like, come out with it. I like kept day jobs, even though I was making way more money in porn, because I didn't want people to ask so what do you do for work now because everybody knew I always was jobs job job. So I just kept sales jobs and stuff like that, even though I hated them. And then eventually I was like, enough's enough. I'm just gonna tell everybody, and I did. And it worked out. I had some friends, not take it well, and family didn't take it well, but now, my family and I are cool. We didn't give up on each other. Basically. We just like cats, like they're very right wing Southern people. And they're not very open minded to certain things, but they're very open minded to a lot of things. You know, it's just the way they are the way they grew up. So when they saw their son on the internet doing gay sex, or transects, or femme DOM and stuff, they were like, what is that? Like, blew their minds. And so I just tried to be sympathetic with that. And it took a couple years, but we got to where we're totally cool. Now, you know what I mean,

Yvette d'Entremont 17:27 there was a great quote from Dan Savage, there are things a parent has a right not to know about their children. And unfortunately, because of what you do that those are things that they it was harder to avoid.

Lance Hart 17:38 They got a bad deal there. And I respect that it's probably traumatic for them. I mean, it'd be just as traumatic if when I was a kid, if they're having sex around me or something, you know, I mean, like, openly, I would probably have some kind of trauma so I'm sure it traumatized them. So I had to really not be whining about because it's tempting to be like they don't accept me the way I am. Why, you know, but you know, it's a thing, man. Knowing that your kids doing weird shit on the you know, and so we worked it out. We just don't talk about work. You know, maybe we go visit them all the time is cool. And then I had friends that were like, didn't want to see me anymore. That's disgusting. How could you do that? And then now years later, every single one of them has either asked me for advice, like when they're How do I get ready for anal? Or?

Yvette d'Entremont 18:21 I had that conversation with a friend just the other day.

Lance Hart 18:24 Yeah. Or like, I can't quit cheating on my wife. Okay, hookers, what do I do? And I'm like, well, you're asking a gay hooker. I don't know if I'm the guy to talk to but I guess you're not judging me anymore. You know, to me, like what's going on?

Yvette d'Entremont 18:35 come around to the fact that this is a legitimate profession.

Lance Hart 18:38 Yeah, it's everybody's come around in that sense. That's cool. But I do I love what I can't imagine doing anything else. You know, it's a good deal.

Alice Vaughn 18:45 I have to say on your websites, I know. You have your own personal websites like sweet femme DOM and you have also man up calm. Yeah. And I was looking at man up and I was looking at the previews. And I have to say that it was a little extreme for my taste, but I know what This definitely appeals to people because I saw when cheese I saw ballbusting I saw ball kicking cosplay drawing a smiley face on a deck. Yeah. Which I mean that I won't rule out. Right. But tip of pen does one use for that. Well, it was not a thong. But I mean, you could probably still use a sharpie all day.

Lance Hart 19:17 Yeah, it was a sharpie. And that was a some fan just suggested like I should draw like, it'd be so humiliating if you drew a face and I was like, is that a humiliating fucker? it'll try and then it look cool.

Unknown Speaker 19:30 I think writing something mean about the deck on the deck would be meaner. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of humiliating things Americans specifically can do, but they can't do in other countries. I think like for example, geography is one of them. Right? Put a map up and let's test any American this isn't even porn. It's just a fully closed person. Just start labeling countries. Just go ahead and see how you feel about yourself. After we watch your competence should really start naming elements Yeah, on the periodic table, all Have them name anything other than hydrogen.

Lance Hart 20:03 I always joke like if I'm like, Alright, say something million to them, they don't know what to say. I'm like, say your Facebook feed looks like you have low self esteem. And they're like, oh, like and then they're like, does it though? I don't really. And I'm like, sorry there's too far too far. I don't mean to

Yvette d'Entremont 20:17 I had this horrible realization one day I'm like, yeah, there are people that I keep on my friends let's just because they're an amazing train wreck to watch and then I went, Oh, fuck my back person to I there's no way like almost every person is that fucking train wreck for someone else.

Lance Hart 20:32 I'm like, it is definitely every Well, maybe not. Yeah, you know, oh, no,

Yvette d'Entremont 20:36 it's me. Some days.

Lance Hart 20:38 I got off it for two years and it was great. I didn't miss it. Immediately. I did miss it. It was the weirdest thing. And then I got back on it. When I got married. I wanted to show off the cool pictures, you know, so I got better. So I got back and also people the wedding wanted to get tagged and do you know, so I was like, I better get back on it. I don't know Instagrams kind of fun and more fun to me. You know, I guess you

Yvette d'Entremont 21:00 have a following. It's a good way for you to connect with your fans.

Lance Hart 21:03 Yeah, kinda. Well, it gets. I mean, it got deleted recently some starting over some don't have that many followers but they're finding the deal

Unknown Speaker 21:11 by little porn stars. Yeah, and it's

Lance Hart 21:14 so it's, uh, we complain about that a lot like because we got targeted and we're there you know, discriminating against sex workers and like, maybe but it's an app that makes money it's a business that makes money off children looking like parents are like, I don't want to deal with my fucking kid. I'm going to handle my smartphone so they and then they look at whatever kids look at on the phone. So there's kids on there, and then we're on Instagram, like covering or deck with our hand in order to be like non nude See, haha, it's not nude. And like there's clearly a deck about to go my butt but they can't see it, you know? So I kind of get like my new one is just me and cats. Just a bunch of my cats in me every now and then like my wife or I'll play. There's something really cool happens in a scene. But everybody's definitely has close then, you know, put it on there, but I've toned it down big time. But yeah, there was like a, they just wiped us out on Instagram pretty quick. It was cool. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 22:11 there was definitely a targeted campaign from what it seems like last

Lance Hart 22:14 year. Yeah, it was it was I got wrapped up in that but like my wife is just smart man. One night she's on her phone just deleting old Instagram posts and changing captions and stuff. And she spent like four hours doing that and I was like, What are you doing? She's like, I don't want to delete it. I think they're coming for us. And I'm like, it's crazy on the way to make it whatever the algorithm was made it Instagram proof. Yeah, but she beat the system. She kept her Instagram. You know what I mean? She cleaned it up in time so she probably

Yvette d'Entremont 22:39 made it just look like a fitness model.

Lance Hart 22:41 That's the thing if you're a fitness model you're you're okay. Why it's still the fitness models aren't like yeah, with like, clearly a dick but they cover it with a cucumber picture. I mean, that you know, to be like we're sex workers are we gotta admit, we're shady. Like that. I own it

Yvette d'Entremont 22:58 was funny because I used to while I lived in in Burbank, and so it was right near the porno Valley, and I got to brunch on Sundays and my husband and I would play the porn star or fitness model. They were watching people walk by. So it's like, nothing wrong with either one, of course. And it's like, we're just, you know, we would try to figure out like, Is there a different aesthetic? And very similar?

Lance Hart 23:18 No, it's free. So I jerk off to a fitness mom, blame me, which makes them porn stars by default. Right?

Unknown Speaker 23:25 Who else? It's either amateur or your friends for the most part,

Lance Hart 23:28 right? Well, they're say have a fitness mom has a million followers and she monetizes her Instagram. And her entire page is sexy stuff. That's good to jerk off too. And that's her living. She's a sex worker. You know what to be like? I mean, you can say she's not but come on, man. You know what I mean? Like a million followers. Yeah, she

Unknown Speaker 23:46 didn't go into it for that. But at the same time, like on some level, she knows that picture is being used for that. Like Alison, I joke about, you know, people jerking off to this podcast because we review porn. I know there are elicitors doing that and it's like, yeah, I'm okay with Hit me. I know what product I'm putting out, of course. So Lance, you you are kind of a unicorn in this industry. You are a crossover actor I am. And so for our audience who is not familiar with what a crossover is, that means you do both gay and straight porn.

Lance Hart 24:16 Yep, they do. I do. They told me you can't do that when I was new to porn. And I was like, Wow, that sounds stupid. Like and you know, in life, people tell you that'll never work. But some a lot of times you hear that? And you're like, You're stupid, you know? And then I found out later. It's a real thing. You really, you know, there are so many companies I'll never work for as companies my wife can ever work for because we're openly married, you know? And, you know, people are just don't feel safe working with her because of gay cooties. You know,

Unknown Speaker 24:45 now is it from what I've heard, there's different levels of STI testing for straight versus gay. Maybe you could elaborate on that.

Lance Hart 24:53 Yeah. So it's different. It's changing. So like what where it is now is not where it was a year ago. As your overseer go, it's always changing and the the landscape of porn changes to So, for example, today, most people who like did porn today, I'd say the majority is probably people who are porn stars, but they met up with each other at their houses. And they did only fans are just for fence. Like they said, Let's film this together, we'll both put it on our app, and then people will pay us a monthly fee. So they're just doing that for funsies. But they're also making money. That's become a dominant thing in our industry. So how do you regulate that? You know what I mean? It's just two people agreeing to have sex. And then the same two people might get booked with me the next week. So if they worked with someone, and they said, well, we're friends. Yeah, we didn't have a talent test. But like, I know, they're cool. You know what I mean? That wouldn't happen on a porn set. But if you're just at your buddy's house and you're hanging out and drinking beers, and you know, whatever they got a hot tub or a cool wish to blowjob scene right there. Yeah, sure. Why not? is harmless, you know, we're cool. And then they think later, hey, you tested expired on my test but I'm good you know. So that's changed. You know what I mean? That's one big difference, the standard, I guess for like people who don't know, in general inform, you're supposed to go to a talent test center, either go to CT or talent test two, there's two companies and you go get your blood drawn up in a cup, and then they analyze it, whatever. They test you for everything except herpes and HPV. And then they put your results on a closed internet, like not everybody can see it. But if you have a login you can get in. And that way, anyone in porn with a login can log in and say, Okay, I'm working with so and so today. Here's their test they tested within 14 days ago. So I know they're clear. So we're good to go. That's how we keep saying,

Yvette d'Entremont 26:50 that is a lot more. I didn't realize that there was a whole system that you could see people's information on and that's Yeah, basically in order to work in porn people have to opt into that or and there's

Lance Hart 26:59 no governing system around this, that's just socially what we've decided. Because obviously anyone with an iPhone can make a forum. So they can do that however they want. But if you want to be in the industry get paid for bookings have people follow you on Twitter or do boo boo, like via whatever you call that, you know, call it a porn star anymore. But whatever that is, you know,

Yvette d'Entremont 27:20 it's the thing that most mainstream actors we see are involved in. Yeah, you have to

Lance Hart 27:24 play by the rules. And so people don't play by the rules quickly. Everybody knows and they get tweeted about Twitter is our network and porn, like we all have Twitter. So somebody's fucking up. People will tweet Hey, don't work with so and so they got rapey on set or they wanted to shoot me without a test or they pressured me and you know, the big no no's interesting. This

Yvette d'Entremont 27:45 is good information for our audience to have so they know who's making ethical porn and how to find out who's not making ethical porn. Who's not Yeah, who did not support Yeah,

Lance Hart 27:54 it's social media. So obviously, someone could mix it up. They could say I don't like that motherfucker. They're getting sued. that I want and if they're out of the picture, I get more bookings. I'm gonna say they did the shady thing. You know what I mean? So you kind of do have to feel it out. But um, there's people who are like, kind of recurring offenders, you know, some people that we've heard is that people just kind of stay away. But there's always new people

Unknown Speaker 28:18 what you're telling me people who fuck up to it more than once? Yeah, shocking. No, I mean, I fuck up

Lance Hart 28:24 stuff. I just try not to ethically fuck up. But this

Unknown Speaker 28:26 last year has taught us nothing. So anyway, that's the standard. So actually, quick question, like you said, that's the standard. But is that the standard for across gay porn and straight porn? Or is that just for one or the other? Because you did mention a database. And one person we had I don't know if we had her on the show, or just We spoke with her had told us that there was a different testing standard across gay porn versus straight porn. So I would love clarity on that.

Lance Hart 28:52 Yeah, so if you need a Venn diagram, because there's, I don't know if I could say most but all the companies I work for in gay porn, use this same system as a straight porn good, right? Good guy. And then there's other companies that say, well, we use condoms, so whatever. And then there's other companies that say, we shoot undetectable people. And it's unethical to discriminate against someone because they were positive, and now they're treating themselves. So fuck off the past system, and we're just going to shoot, I'm terrible people, but we're still going to get tested. We just can't do it in your system, because your system, if they're undetectable, kicks them out immediately. For life. If you're like big x, you can never come back.

Unknown Speaker 29:31 So what's considered undetectable I'm sorry,

Lance Hart 29:34 Oh, okay. So, for the past, I don't know how many years I'm going to fuck this up. I'm going to say five years we've science has known that if somebody has an undetectable viral load, meaning they're HIV positive, take their medicine, and the medicine works and then they go get their blood work and they say, Okay, I can't see any HIV. Yeah,

Yvette d'Entremont 29:53 basically, if they didn't know you had HIV that they wouldn't know from a blood test at this point from the viral load blood Test. Yeah, they would know they would be able to find the antibodies but not the

Lance Hart 30:03 virus. And if you're in that boat that day, it is 0.0 chance of spreading HIV to anyone else.

Yvette d'Entremont 30:11 And at that point, most people would be on prep and pap. So basically, so that they wouldn't be able to spread it and you wouldn't be able to catch it,

Lance Hart 30:18 the HIV undetectable person would be on something and then the partner might be on prep to keep them from Yeah. But even if the partner is not on prep, 0.0 chance that they could give someone HIV in science, you're a scientist, when you hear 0.0 that's a big deal.

Yvette d'Entremont 30:37 To me, that sounds like no chance. Now there are there have been seven cases now of people getting HIV while they're on pressure.

Lance Hart 30:44 That's not 0.0

Yvette d'Entremont 30:46 Exactly. But that's not having sex with a partner with no viral load that's just out in the world having sex with who knows what the viral load was, but I mean, only seven cases of transmission of all the people on prep means you know, if you're having sex with prep with people with no viral load. It's such a low percentage chance. I mean, this is such a magical 0.0.

Lance Hart 31:05 Again, I know it's hard to wrap your head around. But you don't have to be on prep to have sex with someone with an undetectable viral load to be totally safe. Okay, but would you do it

Yvette d'Entremont 31:17 in my brain? I'd be like, No, I'd want prep. Like it's just it's just such a like, I'd still would have to I'm sorry.

Lance Hart 31:22 Yeah, that's the controversy.

Unknown Speaker 31:24 Yeah, it's also I feel like there's absolutely a mental barrier there. Because I think to myself, for example, like I know my partner sterile BOD. You know what? birth control I made just right, just in case swimmers are sneaky.

Lance Hart 31:41 It's tricky and, but you can see how some, like, the gay community who has accepted that undetectable means zero, you know what I mean? You can put yourself in their shoes. You might feel like one of these traits going to let get with science. You know, like what's going on

Yvette d'Entremont 31:58 one of my gay friends. He As a pediatrician, and he's very strict about condom usage, he's on prep as needed. Basically, when he knows he's going to be out on a vacation having some fun. Yeah. And he still uses condoms. You know, and I think it's just because Dr. and is like, I want my chance to be zero. You know, that's his decision.

Lance Hart 32:17 Well, it's smart because prep doesn't save you from gonorrhea or chlamydia. Exactly. hepatitis. Exactly. hepatitis is bad.

Yvette d'Entremont 32:23 I mean, that's the thing. He's not having sex with people who have been tested every two weeks is the difference. Yeah, so

Lance Hart 32:28 it's different. So there with that, it's a Venn diagram, right? And it's not so much a stigma or like a thing. It's just a Venn diagram. There's people that feel comfortable with this and people feel comfortable with that. It gets dicey when people start. When the fear comes out sideways. You know what I mean? And then people get offended because they're like, Why are you scared of me? This is weird. You know what I mean? Like, like, yeah, I'm not homophobic. I'm just scared of gay people. Yeah.

What is homophobic mean? He Yeah.

It's kind of weird, right? Like kind of weird. So I don't like stress about it, I make more money because of the stigma because Wow, there's only so many guys that will do bisexual scenes and trans scenes and currently buy scenes and trans scenes are two of the fastest growing like niches. And if you want to shoot one of those and pay people to be in it, there's like me and maybe 10 other guys that you can hire.

Unknown Speaker 33:28 Are you doing trans scenes, both with trans men and trans women?

Lance Hart 33:31 I just work with trans women as it's I don't no one's ever actually asked me to be in a trans man scene.

Yvette d'Entremont 33:36 I don't see a lot of them is scary. I don't

Lance Hart 33:38 think they sell but they might you know what I mean? I don't know anyone that tries but uh, but if you need a guy to play that role, it's like me or 10 of my friends. And then every year we can all raise our rates by 100 bucks, you know, because what are you gonna do? hire someone there's no one else to hire you to read. And then

Unknown Speaker 33:56 you have the market cornered?

Lance Hart 33:58 Yeah, and no one wants to Be a crossover because that, but I'll never get booked for brazzers I'll never be and the big Axl brown award winning parody, I'll never all that stuff. But meanwhile,

Yvette d'Entremont 34:09 look, Alice and I are working on writing like 10 parodies right now. Okay, right. Yeah,

Lance Hart 34:13 yeah, so there's but there's tons of money because there's so many bisexual scenes, you know, productions and trans productions. They're not like as many as straight Of course, but when there's only 10 guys to hire, and you need three of them for a DVD. We're in everything, you know what I mean? So it's kind of cool work is always there and our rates those of us who've been doing it for a while our rates are higher than your average straight performer.

Unknown Speaker 34:36 What you're telling me experience pays more Yes, like any other industry Of course,

Lance Hart 34:40 of course it should. Anyway, there's some exceptions but on the show, and then as a producer, I'm friends with all the people that do buy stuff and trans stuff and and those are the same guys who will do let a girl walk them in the boat, the strap on, you know what I mean? So it pays to know that I mean, that just sounds fun. It is fun. It is. It's great time. Yeah. All

Yvette d'Entremont 34:59 right. Just perked up. Sorry.

Lance Hart 35:01 Yeah. And I shoot a lot of that. And then the gay stuff pays well, but it's most of my money comes from making my own porn from man up films and we come down, but it's nice to still get booked all the time. You know what I mean? And as much as I have time for anyway, so it doesn't hurt me It sucks that you know, affects my wife she it'd be cool if she could be in one of those big award winning movies. She's definitely good enough. She's like, awesome at porn. It's affected her casting as well. Oh, big time. Yeah. Like they can't. They're like, well, how can we trust her test? She's with that Lance Hart and he does bisexual stuff. And how do we know that he's not hooking up with undetectable people? Because what if he hooked up with an undetectable person? And then, but they passed the test, but they stopped taking their medicine just in time to pass the test. And then he got HIV. And then he had sex with her because they're married and then she already passed her test, but then the day before I had sex with her, and then we're that's how I get AIDS and die.

Yvette d'Entremont 35:55 You know, as soon as I met. Yeah, they're making a major reach on this Yeah, like,

Lance Hart 36:00 it's it seems like it but then at the same time, you wouldn't have sex with someone who's on attachable if you weren't on prep, right, this is the same thing. I

Yvette d'Entremont 36:07 would use a condom, but same as everything else like and it's just I had a partner who had herpes, and he had not had an outbreak in years, and never had an outbreak while we were involved. But, you know, it was condoms every time and that was, you know, he was in an open relationship and, you know, multiple partners and yeah, that was just the thing. It's like my policies. The only person I really haven't used condoms with regularly is my husband. So I'm just like, Look, if you're putting a penis near me, I want a condom. Yeah,

Lance Hart 36:34 to the condom save you from her. You didn't get herpes,

Unknown Speaker 36:37 if somehow, you know, I'm gonna be blunt with my numbers. I'm shocked that I don't have herpes. That's amazing. Pretty much everyone. The only thing I've gotten is HPV and I've been lucky that like some people get it keep it forever. I am HPV negative now that's cool. Lucky on that one. I got herpes with a con. It's that one's easy to spread. I like I said, I'm very lucky on that. Yeah, that's cool. I've had face herpes ever since. Since I was a kid I'll never forget I once had I herpes

Yvette d'Entremont 37:06 I just have acne like it's going out of business and I'm turning 36

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Unknown Speaker 39:33 I didn't even know these existed. What's the difference?

Lance Hart 39:36 I don't know scientifically the difference but trimax is like newer, I guess. It's like the new cool. It's better.

Yvette d'Entremont 39:41 Oh, we're calling an expert on for this next time. It'll be like what is the effect on the Pete? We need to know.

Lance Hart 39:46 I've tried trimax t