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Show Notes
<html><p>In this episode: scamming hotels; when touring gets tough; thin profit margins; the brutal real estate market; signing to a label.</p><p>Interviews with: Ben Gibbard, Joel Hamilton, and Laura Dean.</p><p>Featured tracks: "The New Year" by Death Cab for Cutie, "It Ends With a Fall" by Okkervil River, and "You Were My Fiji" by John Vanderslice.</p></html>