
Today In History with The Retrospectors
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Super Mario Bros - The First Videogame Movie
The Prime Minister's Duel
When Australia Said Sorry
America's Longest Line
Jerry Lee Lewis's Child Bride
Greyhound Hits The Road
Make Me Some Levi's
Fox's 'Glee' Gambit
How Shrek Changed Hollywood
The Unkillable King George
America's Last Witchtrial
The Man Who Shot The Pope
Richard I's Awkward Wedding Night
Dynasty's Flamboyant Finale
Cocaine + Caffeine = Coca-Cola
The Return Of 'The Scream'
Duran Duran's James Bond Banger
Renouncing King John
Australia's Anthem Saga
America's Celebrity Child Soldier
Jerry Lewis vs The Holocaust
Roget's Lexical Legacy
Don't Call Me Bigot
Mussolini's Last Day on Earth
Jane Fonda's Workout
How To Brew Beer in Bavaria 🍻
The 'Hitler Diaries' Hoax
The Red Baron's Flying Circus
The Origins of AstroTurf
The World's Weirdest War
I Name This Ship Brittania
Tommy Cooper Dies On Stage
Meet The Naked Chef
The CIA's 'Brain Warfare'
Yes, We Have Bananas
Less of the Moors
The Nudge Revolution
I'm Betty Ford, And I'm An Alcoholic
The Surprising History of Post-Its

Ep 1340The First Motorbike
Gottlieb Daimler's patent for his high-speed petrol engine (dubbed the "Grandfather Clock") on 3rd April, 1885, wasn't just a technological breakthrough—it inadvertently birthed the motorbike. Teaming up with Wilhelm Maybach, the duo had crafted a compact engine featuring float-metered carburetors and mushroom intake valves, all powered by hot tube ignition. This engine found its way into their first vehicle prototype, the Petroleum Riding Car, which bore little resemblance to today's motorcycles but represented a pioneering step towards motorised transportation. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly explain how it was not Daimler, but his son, Paul, who became the first-ever motorbiker; consider the steam-powered predecessors that could potentially lay claim to inventing the motorbike; and explain how Daimler took what he’d learned from these experiences to establish Mercedes… Further Reading: • ‘An Overview of the Motorcycle's History’ (ThoughtCo, 2019): https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-the-motorcycle-1992151 • ‘History Channel’ (Motoring World, 2017): https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Motoring_World/Pt0xDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Daimler+Reitwagen&pg=PA26&printsec=frontcover • ‘The riding car – a Daimler patent’ (Mercedes-Benz TV, 2010): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Tvuya6otc We'll be back on Monday - unless you join CLUB RETROSPECTORS, where we give you ad-free listening AND a full-length Sunday episode every week!Plus, weekly bonus content, unlock over 70 bonus bits, and support our independent podcast.Join now via Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Thanks!The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill.Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart.Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. This episode originally aired in 2024. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1339Let's Legalise Pinball
With a single, deliberate shot, Roger Sharpe played pinball for the council of the New York City Council chamber on 2 April 1976, theatrically overturning a 34-year ban on the game by proving it could be a game of skill. The city’s censorship of the game had its roots in the economic strain of the Great Depression and the moral recalibrations following Prohibition, when pinball machines, often found in arcades and bars, became associated with petty gambling and organised crime. New York’s mayor, Fiorello LaGuardia, made them a particular focus of his anti-corruption campaigns, arguing that they exploited the young and the poor. His administration confiscated and publicly destroyed machines, even melting them down during the Second World War as part of the wartime metal drive. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly track the shifting cultural attitudes of the 1970s, thanks in part to the Who’s ‘Tommy’; explain how the introduction of flippers in 1947 (notably in the game Humpty Dumpty) fundamentally pivoted pinball into a game of skill; and reveal the world record for the longest ever pinball marathon… Further Reading: • ‘49 Years Later: ‘Pinball’ and the Legendary Shot’ (MPI, 2025): https://thempi.org/latest-stories/49-years-later-pinball-and-the-legendary-shot/ • ‘Pinball Prohibition Explained and Why Pinball Was Once Illegal’ (Kineticist, 2024): https://www.kineticist.com/news/pinball-prohibition • ‘Today Show: Pinball History’ (NBC, 1990): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJb2-f9jZE0 #Games #70s #Crime #NewYork #Strange Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1338The Spaghetti Harvest
One of the most famous hoaxes in broadcasting history aired on the BBC’s revered Panorama programme on April Fools Day, 1957: a segment purporting to show a “spaghetti harvest” taking place near Lake Lugano. According to the report, mild weather and the disappearance of a “spaghetti weevil” had resulted in trees unseasonably laden with strands of pasta. The prank originated with Charles de Jaeger, who drew on a childhood memory of being teased that spaghetti grew on trees. With the backing of Panorama’s young Editor, Michael Peacock, his team travelled to Switzerland to film convincing footage. Local participants were dressed in traditional costume and shown harvesting spaghetti from branches, laying it out to dry in the sun. The script, written by David Wheeler, leaned into agricultural imagery, subtly echoing wine harvesting, to lend the absurd premise a veneer of plausibility. Crucial to the hoax’s success was the authoritative narration of Richard Dimbleby, one of the most trusted voices in post-war Britain. At a time when television itself was still relatively new and widely trusted, and when many Britons had limited familiarity with Italian cuisine, the idea of spaghetti growing on trees was not immediately dismissed as nonsense; even BBC Director-General Ian Jacob had to consult three reference books to confirm it was indeed a joke. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly uncover the blowback from viewers who were in equal parts credulous and insulted; consider if a public service broadcaster could mount such a successful prank these days; and ask why this segment remains so well remembered, nearly seventy years on… Further Reading: • ‘Inside The Bizarre 'Spaghetti Tree' Hoax Of 1957’ (All That’s Interesting, 2021): https://allthatsinteresting.com/spaghetti-tree-hoax • ‘When A Spaghetti Tree Hoax Caused A Nationwide Uproar’ (HistoryNet, 2023): https://historynet.com/bbc-spaghetti-tree-hoax/ • ‘Panorama: The Spaghetti Harvest’ (BBC, 1957): https://www.youtubInside The Bizarre 'Spaghetti Tree' Hoax Of 1957e.com/watch?v=8scpGwbvxvI #50s #Switzerland #TV #Funny Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1337Riot in the Concert Hall
It became known as the ‘Skandalkonzert’: an evening of expressionist, experimental pieces at Vienna’s Great Hall of the Musikverein on March 31, 1913, which so disturbed the audience that rioting and slapping ensued, followed by a lawsuit. In time, it established the reputations of The Second Viennese School - a group of composers like Shoenberg and Weber, who sought to break away from the traditional tonal system and create a new form of classical music. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly consider whether it was simply the running order, not the artistic demands of the pieces, that truly upset the apple cart; reveal the extraordinary precautions Shoenberg put in place to prevent such an event recurring; and turn to Strauss for a zinger of a put-down… Further Reading: • ‘The Second Viennese School: Alban Berg, Arnold Schoenberg and Anton Webern | The British Library’ (British Library): https://www.bl.uk/20th-century-music/articles/the-second-viennese-school • ‘Skandalkonzert’ (ASAP History, 2020): https://asaphistory.com/2020/03/31/03-31-skandalkonzert/ • ‘Schoenberg explained in 10 Minutes’ (Samuel Andreyev, 2019): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjV3PBIWO2I Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. This episode originally aired in 2023. #Music #1900s #Austria #Jewish Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1336The First Ever Starbucks
When Starbucks opened in Pike Place, Seattle, on March 30th, 1971, it was a simple shop selling whole coffee beans, tea, and spices - with no creamy macchiatos or pumpkin spice lattes in sight. Founders Jerry Baldwin, Zev Siegel, and Gordon Bowker, mentored by Dutch coffee trader Alfred Peet, never intended the store to become a cafe. But then Howard Schultz joined as Marketing Manager. After a visit to Milan, he had an epiphany—coffee wasn’t just a drink, it was an experience. Schultz’s vision of Starbucks as a "third place"—not home, not work, but somewhere in between—helped fuel its massive international expansion. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly explain why Schultz was frozen out of the company before buying it back; reveal why, to some extent, Starbucks now functions as a bank; and consider whether the original mermaid logo is just too racy for the 21st century… Further Reading: • ‘The first Starbucks coffee shop, Seattle - a history of cities in 50 buildings, day 36’ (The Guardian, 2015): https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/14/the-first-starbucks-coffee-shop-seattle-a-history-of-cities-in-50-buildings-day-36 • ‘Starbucks opens its first store in Seattle's Pike Place Market | March 30, 1971’ (HISTORY, 2024): https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/first-starbucks-opens-seattle-pike-place-market • ‘How Starbucks Became An $80B Business’ (CNBC, 2019): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUBeH7VQaFY Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. This episode originally aired in 2025. #Business #70s #Food #US Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1334Cleopatra ❤️ Caesar
Julius Caesar intervened to put his lover and ally Cleopatra on the Egyptian throne on 27th March, 47 BC - cementing their position as the world’s premier Power Couple. But Cleo's ascent to power was not just a power play. Rather, it was a desperate bid for survival - as she had been ousted from the throne by her brother's advisors, and feared assassination. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly consider whether Cleopatra really did woo Caesar by emerging from a ‘carpet’; explain why Ptolemy's attempt to win Caesar's favour was desperately misguided; and probe into the family issues that perhaps inevitably arise when women are made to marry their younger brothers… Further Reading: • ‘Egypt's last pharaoh was the 'love child' of Caesar and Cleopatra’ (National Geographic, 2020): https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2020/10/egypts-last-pharaoh-was-the-love-child-of-caesar-and-cleopatra • ‘Cleopatra, Julius Caesar And Mark Antony: Her Love Affairs Explored’ (HistoryExtra, 2023): https://www.historyextra.com/period/ancient-egypt/cleopatra-love-affairs-julius-caesar-mark-antony/ • ’Ancient Empires: Cleopatra Evolves Into an Ruthless Monarch’ (HISTORY, 2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFKwn7YAg0 We'll be back on Monday - unless you join CLUB RETROSPECTORS, where we give you ad-free listening AND a full-length Sunday episode every week!Plus, weekly bonus content, unlock over 70 bonus bits, and support our independent podcast.Join now via Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Thanks!The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill.Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart.Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. This episode originally aired in 2024. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1333The Heaven's Gate 'Ascendancy'
The mass suicide of 39 members of the Heaven's Gate cult in San Diego County was discovered on 26th March, 1997. The tragedy came to light after a former member alerted authorities, having received a farewell videotape recorded by the group. Leader Marshall Applewhite had preached that a spacecraft travelling in the wake of the Comet Hale–Bopp would carry their souls to a higher level of existence. In preparation, they dressed uniformly and consumed a lethal mixture of phenobarbital and alcohol in a carefully planned sequence over several days. That belief system had developed over decades. Applewhite, who had a religious upbringing, met Bonnie Lou Nettles in the early 1970s. Together they formed a spiritual partnership, combining elements of Christianity with ideas drawn from science fiction and New Age thought. They came to believe that they were divinely appointed messengers, tasked with guiding followers to what they described as the “Next Level”. Over time, they attracted a small but committed group, many of whom severed ties with their families and gave up personal possessions in order to join the movement. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly discover how the group’s gospel evolved, particularly after Nettles died of cancer in 1985; explore how the cult always used technology to recruit a larger following; and explain why Nike withdrew their Decades shoes from sale in response… CONTENT WARNING: mass suicide, mental illness. Further Reading: • ‘THE CULT THAT LEFT AS IT LIVED’ (The Washington Post, 1997): https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/03/30/the-cult-that-left-as-it-lived/1e9baadb-f465-4a7a-8026-0ab7e4822139/ • Heaven’s Gate: https://heavensgate.com • ‘Do's Final Exit’ (Heaven’s Gate, 1997): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdGXDQ_8bSA #90s #Religion #Scandal #Space Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1332Flour Power: The Tichborne Dole and the Biddenden Maids
Each Lady Day, the Hampshire village of Tichborne hands out bags of flour to the locals - a tradition that began on 25th March, 1150 after Lady Marbella Tichborne, on her death-bed, suggested distributing a ‘Tichborne Dole’ to the needy. It’s far from the only quaint charity event still going strong in England. In the Kentish village of Biddenden each Easter Monday, locals indulge in ‘Biddenden cakes’, bearing the effigy of the Biddenden Maids - conjoined twins who also left behind an annual dole for the deserving poor. And in Hallaton, Leicestershire, villagers still participate in a chaotic rugby-like game, but with more ale and definitely more hare pies. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly consider what such kooky festivities tell us about mediaeval attitudes to women and the poor; recall what happened when ‘vagabonds’ dared to take advantage of these handouts; and stumble upon a new book proposal for Danny Wallace… Further Reading: • ‘The Tichborne Dole’ (Historic UK, 2015): https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-Tichborne-Dole/ • ‘The Strange Story of the Biddenden Maids’ (A London Inheritance, 2021): https://alondoninheritance.com/cycling-around-britain/the-strange-story-of-the-biddenden-maids/ • ‘Custom of charity of Tichbourne dole - bags of flour given to local people’ (British Pathé, 1928): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jV30X294hA Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. This episode originally aired in 2024. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1331The Suffragettes of Sport
The first international women’s sports event, The Women’s Olympiad, kicked off in Monte Carlo on 24th March, 1921. A hundred athletes from five nations competed in track and field events, defying the male-dominated Olympic movement that excluded women from all sports except tennis, golf, sailing and croquet. Created by campaigner Alice Milliat, the event showcased the skills of pioneering athletes Mary Lines, Violette Morris and Lucie Bréard - but was primarily intended to put pressure on the ‘proper’ Olympics to finally admit women into all sports - something not fully achieved for another forty years. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly explain how rumours of ‘fainting’ women put the feminists’ cause back by decades; consider whether the IOC’s concerns regarding ‘ladylike’ pursuits were straightforward sexism; and reveal how a Paris2024 tribute to Milliat’s victory was usurped by corporate sponsorship… Further Reading: ‘Throwback Thursday: How a French Feminist Staged Her Own Games and Forced the Olympics to Include Women’ (Vice, 2016): https://www.vice.com/en/article/xybw9k/throwback-thursday-how-a-french-feminist-staged-her-own-games-and-forced-the-olympics-to-include-women ‘Women and the Olympic Dream - The Continuing Struggle for Equality, 1896-2021 - By Maria Kaj’ (McFarland, 2022): https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Women_and_the_Olympic_Dream/MBx9EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=alice+milliat&pg=PA39&printsec=frontcover ‘Women's Olympic Games at Monte Carlo’ (Topical Budget, 1923): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq1BV2pcXd0 #Sport #Sexism #France Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1330Ricky Martin's Latin Explosion
Ricky Martin’s ‘Livin’ La Vida Loca’ was released on 23rd March, 1999 - launching the singer to worldwide superstardom, and kickstarting a Latino pop boom that propelled J-Lo, Shakira, Christina Aguilera, Enrique Iglesias and Santana into the charts. But he wasn’t an overnight success. He had already conquered the Latin music world, starred on General Hospital, and even nabbed the official 1998 FIFA World Cup song, giving him global exposure and setting the stage for his crossover moment. And his big break wasn’t just luck—it was part of a carefully crafted plan to bring Latin music to the mainstream. With Livin’ La Vida Loca, Martin and his team applied the high-energy, stadium-filling formula of rock anthems like Livin’ on a Prayer to Latin sounds. When Martin first heard the demo, he immediately insisted on reworking his album to include it. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly track Martin’s showbiz career back to pre-puberty; consider the song’s dubious lyrics, in which the subject of his affections drugs and robs him; and ask why the ‘rain’ in the song’s iconic music video is actually dirty fire hydrant water… Further Reading: • ‘Livin' La Vida Loca’ (Library of Congress, 2022): https://www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-recording-preservation-board/documents/Livin-La-Vida-Loca_Torres.pdf • ‘Culture Re-View: How Ricky Martin's 'Livin' La Vida Loca' changed pop music’ (Euronews, 2023): https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/03/23/culture-re-view-how-livin-la-vida-loca-changed-pop-music • ‘Ricky Martin - Livin' La Vida Loca (Official Video)’ (Columbia Records, 1999): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p47fEXGabaY Love the show? Support us! Join 🌴CLUB RETROSPECTORS🌴to DITCH THE ADS and get an additional full-length episode each SUNDAY… … Plus, get weekly bonus bits, and unlock over 100 bits of extra content. Join now with a free trial on Apple Podcasts or Patreon and support our show ❤️ The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill. Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart. Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. #Music #Latino #90s Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ep 1328What Caused The Black Death?
The bubonic plague was blamed on witches, Jews, God’s wrath, and, on 20th March 1345, in a new theory propagated by the King of France, the rare planetary alignment between Saturn, Jupiter, and Mars in Aquarius. Of course, the real cause of the Black Death lay in the microscopic world of bacteria, carried by fleas on rats. But mediaeval society, ill-equipped to comprehend the science behind the pandemic, relied on conjecture and superstition to explain the waves of death that swept through Europe. In this episode, Arion, Rebecca and Olly explain how the plague reshaped populations through persecution and migration; consider the Pope’s intervention to prevent a pogrom; and unearth a surprising origin theory for the plague - in Mongolia… Further Reading: • ‘Black Death is created, allegedly’ (HISTORY, 2020): https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/black-death-is-created-allegedly • ‘9 Places Connected to the Black Death’ (HistoryExtra, 2011): https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/black-death-is-created-allegedly • ‘Plague 101’ (National Geographic, 2018): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYnMXEcHI7U We'll be back on Monday - unless you join CLUB RETROSPECTORS, where we give you ad-free listening AND a full-length Sunday episode every week!Plus, weekly bonus content, unlock over 70 bonus bits, and support our independent podcast.Join now via Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Thanks!The Retrospectors are Olly Mann, Rebecca Messina & Arion McNicoll, with Matt Hill.Theme Music: Pass The Peas. Announcer: Bob Ravelli. Graphic Design: Terry Saunders. Edit Producer: Ollie Peart.Copyright: Rethink Audio / Olly Mann 2026. This episode originally aired in 2024. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices