
Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke: Mind, Idealism, and Computation
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Show Notes
- 00:00:00 - Introduction
- 00:04:26 - Behind the scenes conversation
- 00:05:48 - Joscha on John's work
- 00:06:52 - John on Joscha's work
- 00:08:58 - Defining consciousness, sentience, mind, self
- 00:17:39 - Primary qualia vs experience of qualia
- 00:25:00 - Science vs Joscha's simulated consciousness model
- 00:34:55 - Solution to Dualism
- 00:35:52 - Psychedelic trips mistaken for idealism
- 00:40:55 - Not experiencing the physical world
- 00:42:30 - Skepticism and solipsism problem
- 00:52:11 - What is rationality?
- 00:55:17 - Mysterianism and epistemic boundedness
- 01:00:38 - Boundaries of consciousness
- 01:07:08 - What is real? Ontology discussion
- 01:22:15 - Simulation and Plato's cave
- 01:27:25 - Gods as personality archetypes
- 01:29:32 - Physics less real than the Forms
- 01:43:58 - Academia undervalues dialogue
- 01:57:57 - Is truth always good?
- 02:01:45 - The meaning crisis
- 02:11:55 - Past views changed
- 02:16:17 - Consciousness as a government
- 02:21:16 - Donald Hoffman: Is spacetime fundamental?
- 02:30:40 - Sad Face: Chinese room thought experiment
- 02:36:08 - Software as physical law
- 02:43:45 - Zanthius: Why should simulation feel anything?
- 02:52:43 - Anil Seth: Is consciousness substrate independent?
- 02:55:31 - Curt answers audience questions
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