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Donald Hoffman: The Most Rigorous Argument for Conscious Realism
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Donald Hoffman: The Most Rigorous Argument for Conscious Realism

YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/CmieNQH7Q4w Donald Hoffman a cognitive psychologist and Professor in the Department of Cognitive Sciences at the University of California, Irvine. Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch 0:00 Introduction 0:35 Hoffman's thought on the state of the country during COVID and what it entails about his theories 2:51 Why he meditates for 3 hours daily, and what type of practice it is 7:26 Hoffman's diet and health habits 9:52 On computational psychology (Hoffman's initial background) 13:05 Outlining (technically) the conscious agent model, and the motive force behind the lettering 16:41 Consciousness as primary to Being, as the impediment for rationalists 26:50 Why neural correlates aren't *just* correlates, but instead can play causal role (playing devil's advocate) and the limits of the "virtual reality" metaphor 38:44 Nima Armani Hamed's amplituhedron, and consciousness 40:23 Local hidden variables / realism may be saved, via loopholes in Bell's theorem 47:46 The assumption of uniform probability of fitness functions on cyclic groups, etc. is a problem for a theory that says our perceptions are non-veridical (ie. that they don't match "reality") 1:01:44 Evolution entails that we don't see the truth / reality as it is 1:05:10 On the over simplification of evolutionary models (outputting down to the Real Line of dimension 1 without further structure) 1:09:17 The intensity of meditation, and fear of letting go / fear of the unknown 1:15:25 "Illusions are failures to guide adaptive behavior." 1:16:41 The various philosophical theories on truth (correspondence, pragmatic, deflationary, etc.) 1:27:20 Spacetime as a data compression tool for conscious agents 1:32:39 On the nature of causality 1:37:50 How is reality objective, when in Hoffman's model it's predicated exclusively on subjective agents 1:40:00 What is "you"? What is "identity"? What is the "self"? (Eastern religions vs Western religions) 1:50:15 How does Free Will fit into a stochastic model? 1:58:59 Douglas Hofstadter's "strange loop" model of consciousness & Tononi's Integrated information theory vs. Donald Hoffman's 2:14:37 Where God fits into all of this, as well as Hoffman's definition of God 2:21:22 What happens when you die? 2:28:38 Gödel's incompleteness theorem's implications for Hoffman's model 2:34:35 John Vervaeke's other forms of knowledge which aren't "propositional" 2:37:45 Landauer's limit (fastidious critiques) 2:41:29 On the moon not existing when you don't look at it 2:48:06 Do you see the same color red that I see? (and other experiences / qualia) 2:51:31 The paradox of pursuing truth, though truth is inimical (relative to fitness) 2:56:44 Where does Deepak Chopra take Hoffman's message too far + what Jesus meant by "I am the truth / the way / the life"

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal · Theories of Everything

December 5, 20223h 17m

Show Notes

Donald Hoffman argues consciousness is fundamental and perception functions as evolutionary user interface He debates evolutionary implications, quantum realism, free will, and the limits of virtual‑reality metaphors while discussing meditation, truth, and the nature of self.

- 0:00 - Introduction
- 0:35 - Hoffman's view on the country during COVID and its relevance to his theories
- 2:51 - Why he meditates three hours daily and the type of practice
- 7:26 - Hoffman's diet and health habits
- 9:52 - Computational psychology background
- 13:05 - Outline of the conscious agent model and its motivation
- 16:41 - Consciousness as primary to being, a challenge to rationalists
- 26:50 - Neural correlates as potentially causal and limits of the virtual‑reality metaphor
- 38:44 - Nima Armani Hamed's amplituhedron and consciousness
- 40:23 - Local hidden variables and loopholes in Bell's theorem
- 47:46 - Uniform probability of fitness functions on cyclic groups as a problem for non‑veridical perception
- 1:01:44 - Evolution hides truth and reality
- 1:05:10 - Over‑simplification of evolutionary models to a one‑dimensional line
- 1:09:17 - Intensity of meditation and fear of the unknown
- 1:15:25 - “Illusions are failures to guide adaptive behavior.”
- 1:16:41 - Philosophical theories of truth (correspondence, pragmatic, deflationary, etc.)
- 1:27:20 - Spacetime as data compression for conscious agents
- 1:32:39 - Nature of causality
- 1:37:50 - Objectivity of reality in a subjectively predicated model
- 1:40:00 - Questions of “you,” identity, and self (Eastern vs Western views)
- 1:50:15 - Free will in a stochastic framework
- 1:58:59 - Hofstadter’s “strange loop” vs Tononi’s IIT and Hoffman’s model
- 2:14:37 - Where God fits and Hoffman’s definition of God
- 2:21:22 - What happens when you die?
- 2:28:38 - Gödel’s incompleteness theorem implications for Hoffman’s model
- 2:34:35 - Vervaeke’s non‑propositional forms of knowledge
- 2:37:45 - Landauer’s limit critiques
- 2:41:29 - The moon’s existence without observation
- 2:48:06 - Shared qualia: seeing the same red?
- 2:51:31 - Paradox of pursuing truth that is inimical to fitness
- 2:56:44 - Deepak Chopra’s excesses and Jesus’s claim “I am the truth / the way / the life”

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