The View: Behind the Table

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss her favorite moments from interviewing the "And Just Like That..." cast and Colman Domingo this week, she recounts the drama surrounding how she got her name and an embarrassing story from high school, and shares how she grounds herself in hard times. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar weighs in on the Trump-Musk feud, what she sees as the historical comparisons to Pres. Trump's deployment of the National Guard on Los Angeles, why she says comedians can do drama but not vice versa, and she reveals her dream cast for her play "My First Ex-Husband." Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Due to technical difficulties, our 'Behind the Table' podcast today will not be available via video. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss how a recent feud between Elon Musk and Pres. Trump escalated last week, she weighs in on the president's decision to deploy the National Guard on ICE protesters in Los Angeles and the return of migrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States over the weekend. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer to share why she says Latino Trump voters have recently started to regret their vote, President Trump's FEMA head drawing ire for saying he was "unaware" of hurricane season in the United States, and her chaotic travel day on Tuesday where she arrived at the live "Behind the Table" event with minutes to spare. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss last night's live recording of the 'Behind the Table' podcast and seeing her fanbase the "Joy Boys" live in person. Then, she shares whether she worries about being liked and what she thinks about Sarah Silverman using the pain of losing her parents to fuel her comedic work. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hostin joins executive producer Brian Teta to share her pride from her son's college graduation this past weekend, her experience attending the sex-trafficking trial of Sean "Diddy" Combs, and why she says she doesn't give second chances in friendship. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss Republican Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst's doubling down on her dismissive remark about Medicaid at a town hall and what she makes of Broadway star Patti LuPone apologizing for her "demeaning" comments about fellow stars Audra McDonald and Kecia Lewis. Plus, she reacts to a podcaster who said there's too much conversation around women's infertility right now. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss accidentally stepping on Sarah Silverman's joke today and Joy Behar's unusual compliments about her on an earlier podcast. Plus, she shares what's her "ick" and her strange fixation about men and dishes on the advice tropes she thinks should end. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss her "Joy Boy" fandom, whether she married someone more like her mom or dad, her favorite – and least favorite – parts of her Italian upbringing and whether she actually bullies Brian! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss spending her Memorial Day weekend in Mexico, her reaction to former Pres. Biden's prostate cancer diagnosis and Pres. Trump's Memorial Day message. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss what happens when she hits the dance floor at a wedding, attending her son Caleb's first dance recital, why she was so starstruck over meeting WNBA legend coach Dawn Staley yesterday, and she weighs in on the latest WNBA drama between Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark. "Behind the Table" will return with new episodes Tuesday, May 27. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss her reaction to former President Biden's prostate cancer diagnosis, how she related to coach Dawn Staley's story on the show today, what she thinks about compromising in marriage and hear why she's encouraging listeners to write in to her! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss former President Joe Biden's prostate cancer diagnosis and the importance of presidents being forthcoming about their health. Then, they discuss wedding guest etiquette after attending a "View" staffer's wedding this weekend, Farah Griffin's new suburban lifestyle and she offers her advice for singles in the modern dating era. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss why she takes issue with President Trump's plan to accept a $400 million luxury aircraft from the Qatari government, the Trump administration facing criticism for prioritizing white South African refugees and her concerns over the potential suspension of habeas orpus in the United States. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Actress, activist and podcast host Jameela Jamil joins Sara Haines and executive producer Brian Teta after the show today to discuss her 2018 Good Morning America interview in her pajamas with Sara Haines, the success of The Good Place, her theories on the American political divide and why she made the decision to not be a mom. Request tickets to "Behind the Table" LIVE here: https://1iota.com/event/85162/request?promo=BTT Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss who is the most famous person in her phone and who she wants to see run for president on the Democratic ticket in 2028. Plus, what does Joy Behar think about polyamory? Request tickets to "Behind the Table" LIVE here: https://1iota.com/event/85162/request?promo=BTT Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss her conclusions from interviewing former Pres. Joe Biden and former first lady Jill Biden last week, she reacts to Fox News host Jeanine Pirro being appointed to top prosecutor in D.C. by Trump, and shares what she thinks about Democratic National Convention Vice Chair David Hogg's plan to primary Democrats. Request tickets to "Behind the Table" LIVE here: https://1iota.com/event/85162/request?promo=BTT Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss former President Joe Biden and first lady Jill Biden joining the show today in their first interview since leaving the White House. She shares her biggest takeaways from their comments on the 2024 election, clearing the air on his cognitive ability, and more. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Star Jones joins Sunny Hostin and Brian Teta for this special edition of "Behind the Table" where they discuss their experience as co-hosts on "The View," transitioning from careers in law to television, the importance of authenticity at the Hot Topics table and the biggest lessons they've learned from working with the show's creator, Barbara Walters. Plus, Jones shares her favorite parts of presiding over the "Divorce Court" and her new beauty brand, Star Jones Beauty! Learn more about Star Jones Beauty here: https://www.starjonesbeauty.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sara Haines sits down with Brian Teta to weigh in on tension between traditional and progressive Democrats and what she's looking forward to discussing with former Pres. Biden on 'The View' on Thursday. Plus, we get a glimpse of life at home when she shares about her husband's father-daughter dance and her son's upcoming tap recital! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alyssa Farrah Griffin sits down with Brian Teta to weigh in on President Trump's interview with NBC News' Kristen Welker, former Vice President Mike Pence receiving the JFK Profile in Courage Award and 'The View' co-hosts upcoming interview with former President Biden and Dr. Jill Biden on Thursday. Griffin emphasizes the importance of disconnecting from politics for mental health and shares experiences about maintaining friendships as life circumstances change. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss what she hopes former President Joe Biden and Dr. Jill Biden will address next week in their first interview since leaving the White House, whether she believes Trump voters are having regrets amid the rollout of his economic and immigration policies, and why she is abuzz over this year's Tony nominations! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss welcoming Whoopi Goldberg to a special performance of her play "My First Ex-Husband," the secret to staying friends with an ex and what she thinks about age gap friendships. Plus, she gives her advice on how not to procrastinate on life! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hostin joins executive producer Brian Teta and she weighs in on President Trump's first 100 days, how she thinks Democrats can win back undecided voters, several Philadelphia Eagles players missing from the team's White House visit and she shares her insights on raising confident kids. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss this year's White House Correspondents' Dinner, her advice to the Trump administration on immigration messaging and what she thinks about Bill Belichick's 48-year age gap with his girlfriend Jordon Hudson. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to share how her Easter celebrations were different this year, what she thinks about Sen. Raphael Warnock saying Jesus is a victim of "identity theft" in America, and answers a listener question about her dream career in comedy! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to catch up on her spring break, she says the Trump administration's mass deportations should be considered racial profiling, and she speaks out against RFK Jr.'s controversial comments calling autism an "epidemic." Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta on today's episode to catch up on everything they missed over the break! She weighs in on the death of Pope Francis, the all-female Blue Origin space flight and answers listener questions – including about her friendship with former "The Real Housewives of New York" star LuAnn de Lesseps! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss President Trump's tariff showdown, why she keeps using the word "kakistocracy" to describe his second administration and she urges the American people to speak out against the president's deportations of migrants without due process. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss the latest headlines from Trump's second administration, the sensitivity of discussing Pres. Biden's condition while he was running for a second term within the Democratic Party, and she opens up about her experience with postpartum depression after Kylie Kelce brought it up on her podcast. If you or someone you know is struggling, help is available. Call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 9-8-8. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin shares why Pres. Trump's interest in tariffs is nothing new, what she thinks about the backlash against actor John Stamos for attending an event at Mar-a-Lago and her biggest takeaways from "The White Lotus" season finale this past weekend. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New Jersey Democratic Senator Cory Booker joins Sunny Hostin and executive producer Brian Teta to discuss his recent 25-hour speech on the Senate floor and what Democratic resistance looks like right now. He addresses whether he sees himself as the leader of the Democratic Party, the emerging generation of leaders and the importance of diversity in governing. Then, he discusses why he's fighting for a pro-family agenda. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss why she supports House Rep. Brittney Pettersen's fight for proxy voting for new parents in Congress, her take on the influence of big money in politics after Elon Musk poured millions of dollars into the Wisconsin Supreme Court race, and her advice on how to handle not liking a loved one's partner. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss tickling her co-host Whoopi Goldberg live on-the-air today, liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court candidate Susan Crawford winning her race, what she thinks about Sen. Cory Booker's marathon protest speech, and she answers listener questions with her wedding advice! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hostin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker's overnight protest speech calling out the Trump administration, what she makes of today's guest Elie Mystal suggesting the elimination of voter registration laws, and she answers a listener question about moments that have tested her faith as a Catholic. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin joins executive producer Brian Teta to break down how classified information should be handled in the fallout of "Signalgate," drawing on her experiences working at the White House and Department of Defense. Then, she weighs in on the latest from Bravo's Paige DeSorbo and Craig Conover's breakup. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to weigh in on the Signal group chat controversy, what she thinks should be the consequences, and shares the story of missing her Shakira concert in Mexico last week. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss the ongoing fallout over Trump cabinet officials disclosing war plans in a group chat, her message to Rep. Jasmine Crockett after she made a joke about Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and whether she has the typical traits of an only child. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta and reacts to top White House officials accidentally adding a journalist to a group chat to discuss secret war plans in Yemen, she weighs in on the impact of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Bernie Sanders' rallies, and meeting a dog on set today from her hometown of Newton, Iowa! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hostin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss meeting with thought leaders about what Democratic voters want, what she would change about Sen. Bernie Sanders and Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's message as they host rallies drawing massive crowds, and the highlights from visiting her daughter at college over the weekend. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss the Trump administration's deportations of alleged Venezuelan gang members, how she says Congress has taken a backseat to governing and the significance of the closing of "Voice of America." She also discusses attending the premiere of Broadway's "Buena Vista Social Club," and celebrating her friend Eva Longoria's 50th birthday! Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Farah Griffin weighs in on the continued fallout over Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's decision to back the GOP spending bill and why she thinks government shutdowns are bad for everyone. Then, she reflects on her time working at the Pentagon and the White House. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss today's interview with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and what she makes of his explanation on voting for the Republican spending bill to avert a government shutdown. Then, she hears a clip about how she impacted comedian Mike Birbiglia's career and reflects on her own journey into comedy, supported by family members. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss why she thinks Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer made the right move in voting to pass the Republican spending bill, dealing with body image issues in the past, and how she “quizzed” her husband Max on politics early in their relationship. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Host of podcasts "On with Kara Swisher" and "Pivot" Kara Swisher joins Alyssa Farah Griffin and Brian Teta to discuss the rise of right-wing podcasts, she provides insights on Elon Musk's business challenges as someone who has known the tech titan for almost 30 years, and shares her thoughts on potential 2028 presidential candidates. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hostin joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss the Trump administration directing the Department of Education to initiate mass layoffs Tuesday night, what she makes of the Black Lives Matter Plaza mural being removed in Washington, D.C., and why she takes issue with some Democrats’ current strategy in fighting back against President Trump. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss her takeaways from today's interview with Democratic Senator Elissa Slotkin, whether she would ever go to space amid a wave of celebrities taking off, and she answers a listener question about her relationship with the gay community. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Navarro joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss how the SpaceX rocket debris in Florida impacted her, what she thinks about the alleged Elon Musk-Marco Rubio beef, and she remembers the impact of her friend, longtime Florida politician and Cuban-American pioneer Lincoln Díaz-Balart. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Haines joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss how she thinks President Trump's federal cuts will impact the working class, relating to the "White Lotus" scene where a group of friends disagree on politics, and she gives her advice on overcoming people pleasing. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Behar joins executive producer Brian Teta to discuss President Trump's address, the Democratic response and her famous walkout during an interview with Bill O'Reilly. Then, she reacts to rumors swirling about "The View" and her fellow co-hosts, and she shares her advice on being financially independent as a woman. Have a question or want advice from Brian or a co-host? Call or text us at (917) 960-3037 or leave us a message here: https://woobox.com/kaoojs. Messages may be used on a future podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices