The Trial

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the dramatic and at times combative exchanges in court as Chris Trybus defended himself against charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He was taken to task by Tom Little KC who said his wife had accused him of being a wife beater and a rapist. And he was asked if he’d removed messages on his phone because they were incriminating. Chris Trybus said he was shocked by his wife’s accusations and he couldn’t reconcile them with his memories.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys HansonProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; Lucy Letby -The Letby Effect. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/In this episode, Caroline and Liz speak with neonatologist Dr Sandie Bohin, an expert witness in the Lucy Letby trial. Since giving evidence, she has faced online harassment and a “campaign of misinformation” that upended her life— but she continues to stand by her testimony.Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeFollow us on instagram @TheTrialPodSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskClick here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Email us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Nick have more of the evidence from Chris Trybus, the man on trial. During his third day in the witness box he said he never abused his wife, Tarryn Baird, and he now felt “betrayed” by her allegations. He also said again that he was out of the country on two of the occasions she said he’d beaten her. He also said he was baffled to find out that during a romantic holiday in Scotland, Tarryn sent an email to a domestic violence advisor saying their relationship was “increasingly difficult” and she knew she had to leave him. Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Lucy RyanProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the landmark verdict in Los Angeles that social media companies knew their platforms were addictive. The jury found that Meta and Google harmed a young user with design features that were addictive and led to her mental health distress. The judgement is being called big tech’s “tobacco moment” because it’s likely to open the doors for more claims.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullGuests: Matthew Bergman and Carolina RossiniProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Chris Trybus tells his story. Giving evidence in his own defence for the first time he denied ever hurting his wife. In fact he he loved Tarryn Baird dearly. He said they had a very ordinary marriage apart from their sex life which he admitted was kinky and spicy. He said dealing with Tarryn’s death was the hardest thing he’d ever faced and he said his happy memories of their marriage had been tainted by her allegations.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Katy Hill, Tippi Willard and Lucy RyanProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words of Tarryn’s best friend. Carina Silva told the jury in Winchester Tarryn became a “hollow shell” after suffering abuse at the hands of her husband. She said Tarryn started drinking herself to sleep after she claimed Chris Trybus raped her. But Carina Silva was accused of lying - of making up some of her evidence. And she was challenged on why, if she was so concerned about Tarryn, she hadn’t gone to the police sooner.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Katy, Tippi Willard and Lucy RyanProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words Tarryn Baird wrote in her diaries in the months before she died. We also have the evidence from a psychiatric nurse who said Tarryn told her she felt trapped in a prison. We also now know the emergency mental health service discharged her 8 days before she died by suicide.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Rhys Hanson, Beth Hale and Laura Elwood-CraigProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In June 2023, a series of unthinkable attacks in Nottingham killed three people and left three others seriously injured.Students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar were fatally stabbed as they walked home from a night out. The attacker then went on to kill school caretaker Ian Coates and steal his van, which was later used to drive into pedestrians in the city centre.The man responsible, Valdo Calocane, had previously been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. He was later given an indefinite hospital order after admitting manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.Now, a public inquiry is examining whether the tragedy could have been prevented. In the first episode of this series, Caroline and Ryan speak to Emma Webber, Barnaby’s mother, about the first weeks of the Nottingham Inquiry. She describes the long fight by the families to secure the inquiry, the disturbing evidence emerging about missed opportunities to stop the attacker, and why she and the other families remain determined to push for accountability and meaningful change.In the second episode of this series, Caroline speaks to former senior police officer David Gilbertson, to discuss what the inquiry has revealed so far; multiple assaults, accounts of stalking and an arrest warrant that went unexecuted for ten months. We will continue to bring you updates on The Nottingham Inquiry over the coming weeks, over on Trial+This full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeFollow us on instagram @TheTrialPodSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskClick here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Email us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the emotional evidence from Tarryn Baird’s mum who said she’d been living a nightmare ever since her daughter died. Michelle Baird said Tarryn had started to withdraw from her family in the months before she took her life and she blamed her frequent bruises on falling over. Michelle Baird also said Chris Trybus told her Tarryn “couldn’t stop” drinking and taking prescription medication and she also told of what she witnessed whenever Chris worked from home.  Apple Podcast link to The Trial+ Amanda Wixon episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial/id1653090985?i=1000747229655Spotify link to The Trial+ Amanda Wixon episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/51nxnjabT3wgmEMQhMbvEB?si=VjaB_E0dSpiA2E6s_NMn_wSubscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Rhys Hanson and Hannah WhiteheadProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from two senior medical experts who say the injuries on Tarryn Baird’s body were unlikely to be self inflicted. The UKs leading expert in bruises also said the marks on her abdomen were similar to injuries she’d seen in car crashes. And a forensic pathologist said the chances of Tarryn being able to inflict them on herself were “vanishingly small”.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Beth Hale, Lucy Ryan, Rhys Hanson, Nia Moutionguissa, Siobhan Edge and Dan WatersProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode we hear the devastating final words of Tarryn Baird in the hours and minutes before she took her own life. In a series of recordings played to the jury she can be heard asking for help with suicidal thoughts, but by the time police arrived at her home it was too late. We also heard another tape which the prosecution say is a secret recording of Tarryn being raped by her husband, Chris Trybus, but he says what’s on the tape is consensual sex. A number of the witnesses in court this week were openly emotional as they explained how they tried to help Tarryn. Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeActors: Juliet Walsh, Chelsey Moore and Charlotte GillProducer: Chelsey RanoreEditor: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence which the jury were told casts doubt on some of abuse Tarryn Baird says she was suffering at the hands of her husband. It’s been claimed in court that Chris Trybus was out of the country when some of the attacks took place, and that Tarryn bought a camera which she said he planted to spy on her. But we’ve also heard from her domestic violence advisor that she had bruises and she was too afraid to leave him. Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniActors: Rhys Hanson, Lucy Ryan and Lily-Mae Cooper A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Nick have the medical evidence from Tarryn Baird’s GP who she saw or spoke to over 100 times in two years. The notes showed she reported repeated beatings, assaults with a rope and rape at the hands of her husband, Christopher Trybus. Time and time again she was urged to end the relationship, but she said she was terrified he would find her, and it was more dangerous to leave than to stay. He argues the allegations are lies, and during one month when he’d allegedly attacked her more than once, evidence proved he wasn’t even in the country.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this special update episode Caroline and Nick have an insight into what Christopher Trybus will say in his defence in this trial. He claims his wife made up allegations of domestic violence and coercive control, and far from abusing Tarryn Baird he cherished her deeply. He will also say her death was not a deliberate suicide attempt, but a cry for help which went wrong. Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Was a woman driven to kill herself after being allegedly abused by her husband? That is the question at the centre of a landmark trial which Caroline and Nick will be covering in a new Trial UK series. In this episode we hear that Tarryn Baird was 34 when she was found hanged in her garage - the prosecution say she killed herself because she was desperate to escape the violent, controlling abuse her husband subjected her to - and that makes him responsible for her death. Christopher Trybus is facing charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He denies the charges and says the allegations are false. A jury will now decide. Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Nick FaggeProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In February last year Lucy Letby’s new defence team told a press conference there was no medical evidence of air embolism in the babies she murdered and attacked. Professor Shoo Lee said he had studied all the literature to make his claim.But today we hear his claim was wrong. And the literature to prove it was there all the time. In this episode, Neonatologist Professor Paul Clark explains why what Lucy Letby’s expert panel said is wrong. Using old and new case studies, he debunks what is currently the cornerstone of Lucy Letby’s defence.This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; Lucy Letby - Debunking her Expert Panel. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeFollow us on instagram @TheTrialPodSubscribe to our YouTube channel @TheCrimeDeskClick here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Email us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz get an insight from a lawyer with a ringside seat of the moment this week when Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg walked into a US courtroom to face the users of his platform who say using social media ruined their lives. They claim he knew the technology was addictive and it was part of his business model to make money at the expense of the mental health of a generation of young people. The case is likely to have huge implications in the UK so we also get the thoughts of Esther Ghey, who has campaigned tirelessly to better protect young people online, since the death of her daughter Brianna three years ago. Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniGuests: Matthew Bergman and Esther Ghey A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Depraved, perverted and wicked - the words used to describe Vincent Chan as he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for abusing the children he was caring for. In this episode Caroline and Ryan have the details of how he used his job working in a nursery and in a school in London to prey on defenceless toddlers and children. He sexually assaulted them and he filmed it - storing the videos and images in files at his home. He also targeted other children and adults too - using a secret camera to record his female friends when they used the bathroom in his home, and he filmed complete strangers through their windows as they undressed. His crimes have devastated hundreds of people who are asking if he could have been stopped earlier.  Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenter: Caroline Cheetham and Ryan HooperProducer: Chelsey RanoreCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Jack reveal the catalogue of police blunders which may have left the serial killer Steve Wright free to murder five women in Ipswich and raises questions about whether his latest victim, Vicky Hall, could have been saved too. A judge demanded today that Suffolk Police investigate what went wrong, after it emerged police ignored key evidence from another woman who reported Steve Wright tried to kidnap her the night before he succeeded in abducting and murdering 17-year-old Vicky in 1999. Steve Wright, who is known as The Suffolk Strangler, was then handed a life sentence with a minimum of 40 years for the cold case killing.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Jack have an exclusive interview with Criminologist Professor David Wilson. In 2008 he predicted that serial killer Steve Wright had murdered Vicky Hall years before. She was aged just 17 when she was kidnapped and murdered in 1999. It took Wright 18 years but yesterday at the Old Bailey he finally admitted it. Today we chat to David about why he was so sure Steve Wright had killed before and if there might be more victims.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the dramatic first day of the trial of serial killer Steve Wright, also known as the Suffolk Strangler, for a cold case murder in 1999. Wright was convicted of murdering five women in Ipswich in 2006 and today he pleaded guilty to the kidnap and murder of 17-year-old Victoria Wood and the attempted kidnap of another woman seven years earlier. It is the first time he has ever admitted to any of his killings. The episode features all the latest from court as well as the questions the case raises about how many other victims Wright may have killed.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz interview senior barrister Tim Owen KC about the news that Lucy Letby will not be facing more charges. We also have an insight into the latest documentary on her case which will be on Netflix on Feb 4.Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullEditor: John RogersCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz sit down with Dr Susan Gilby in her first interview since she was awarded £1.4 million from the NHS. Dr Gilby was appointed CEO of the Countess of Chester Hospital just after Lucy Letby was arrested, but she was then forced to resign. And then she discovered a secret plot named Project Countess had been set up to get rid of her. It's an extraordinary interview about whistleblowing, conspiracy and the shocking waste of tax payers money.Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’)Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullProducer: Sam MorrisCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria CecchiniA Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the news that Lucy Letby will not be charged with more offences. While detectives felt there was enough evidence to charge her with 11 offences - two of murder and nine of attempted murder, the CPS disagreed. So what does it mean?Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz HullProducer: Sam MorrisEditor: Alex GrahamCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the sentence of Paul Doyle and play for the first time some of the shocking dashcam footage that sealed his fate. They detail how he spent time in jail as a much younger man for a serious violent offence and how his reputation now lies in tatters.They also speak to a mother and her son, who were caught up in the carnage, and who helped rescue fans trapped beneath Paul Doyle’s Ford Galaxy.And they bring you an interview with hero Dan Barr, the former soldier and supporter who ran towards danger to bring the car to a stop and who has been commended for his bravery.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz reveal the reason Paul Doyle changed his pleas to guilty - his own dashcam footage. The footage was played in court today and it captured the crucial 2 minutes when he rammed his car into 134 people. Some bounced off his bonnet while others were dragged under the wheels. Many of his victims were in court and they gasped as they saw the carnage he inflicted in just a few seconds.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Why did Paul Doyle lose control and smash his car into dozens of people as they celebrated Liverpool FC’s league cup win? In this episode, ahead of his sentencing hearing next week Caroline and Liz sit down with Criminologist and former Prison Governor Professor David Wilson who has a possible explanation.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this third special episode about Government plans to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz chat to a survivor of child sexual abuse. Vicki Crawford spent years believing she was culpable for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her sister's older boyfriend when she was just 14, and when she finally did seek justice decades later her experience was one of inefficiency, push back and delay. But despite this, she told us, the jury system is a fundamental right in a democratic system and should be retained at all costs. She also questioned if the Justice Secretary David Lammy had spoken to survivors of sexual violence before he tried to push through his reforms.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

After David Lammy yesterday unveiled his proposals to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz have the verdict from one of the country’s top barristers. Chris Henley KC said the Justice Secretary’s plans showed “contempt for ordinary people.” He said the issues in the court system which cause unacceptable delays are “embarrassing” but the jury system was not one of the problems. He also said trust in the justice system would be undermined.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Should juries be scrapped? In this special bonus episode Caroline and Liz investigate leaked plans from the justice secretary to abolish jury trials for the majority of cases. It would be a fundamental change to our justice system. And it’s not gone down well.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the reason football fans were knocked down “like skittles” by a former marine.  It was road rage. Paul Doyle was driving through the city as dozens of people celebrated Liverpool FCs League title, but he grew agitated that families wouldn’t get out of his way and he ploughed into them in his Ford Galaxy. Today as he dramatically changed his pleas to guilty we have all the details from the court. The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Guilty of harassment but Not Guilty of stalking. That’s the jury’s verdict today on Julia Wandelt’s “relentless” pursuit of the parents of Madeleine McCann. It means she could soon be released from prison and likely deported back to Poland. In this episode Caroline and Claire have all the reactions from the court, including how the McCanns said they hoped she can now get the care and support she needs. Plus we have an interview with Julia Wandelt’s father who told us how damaged she was after she was abused by her step-grandfather and he feels - like the McCanns - that he has also lost his daughter. The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today Caroline and Claire have the moment the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was accused of being in a state of “almost inertia”. The barrister for Karen Spragg said Julia Wandelt was treated like a “nutter” by the police when she said she might be Madeleine McCann, and they should have taken her DNA sooner. The jury were also told that people who were concerned about Madeleine’s abduction were not all “crack pots”.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Julia Wandelt accuses Gerry McCann of being involved in the abduction of his daughter Madeleine. She also says he has silenced his wife Kate and she claims officers from The Met may also have threatened her. She said she feels vulnerable since telling her story because people “don’t want the truth to come out.” But, in the final day of her giving evidence, she was accused of fabricating evidence and of creating a charade.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the words of Julia Wandelt as she gave evidence for the first time in her defence. She told the jury she wouldn’t have pursued the McCanns if they’d just done a DNA test. It’s also now emerged she was being advised on her media strategy by a publicist in the UK and a Psychic in the US.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!sign up to the newsletter at newsletter.thecrimedesk.com for free. Become a full member of The Crime Desk with a month’s free trial at www.thecrimedesk.comThe Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode we have the words of the two women on trial. Julia Wandelt told police she was the victim and Karen Spragg accused the McCanns of organising the abduction of their daughter Madeleine. She also said she wasn’t a nasty person.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Jack HardyEditor: Sam MorrisCreative Director: Caroline CheethamProduction Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was  Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter. The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime suspect” in Madeleine’s abduction. The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Join Caroline and Claire as they bring you the latest from the trial of the McCann “stalkers”. In this episode we’ve got the evidence of Kate and Gerry McCann who said the actions of the two women on trial were relentless and distressing. Gerry also said the family still have a glimmer of hope that Madelaine is still alive and Julia Wandelt could have put the investigation at risk. We also have the moment that Julia Wandelt screamed at Kate McCann “why are you doing this to me.” The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the moment the court in Leicester were told two women accused of stalking Madeleine McCann’s family accosted them at the family home. They also joked about riffling through their bins. The prosecution say Julia Wandelt used emotional blackmail to try to convince the family she was Madeleine.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the opening day of trial of two women accused of stalking the family of Madeleine McCann. Julie Wandelt is accused of pursuing the family by email, call and text claiming to be their missing daughter who was abducted from Portugal in 2007. Karen Sprat is also accused of adopting her claims “with gusto”. Today as the case began Julia Wandelt broke down into loud sobs as the jury were told she was categorically “not Madeleine.”The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Dr Mike Hall was Lucy’s Letby’s key expert witness. But he was never called to give evidence at either of her trials. Caroline and Liz now ask him why. Search: The Trial of Lucy Letby: The InquiryThe Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose.Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.Follow us on @thetrialpodContact us at [email protected] a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial')The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the verdict from Sheffield Crown Court - guilty. The 15-year-old defendant was convicted following 14 hours 34 minutes of deliberation by a majority of 11 to one. The episode also features an exclusive interview with Harvey’s mother Caroline.Follow us on @thetrialpodContact us at [email protected] a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial')The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The jury in the trial of the killer of Harvey Willgoose are now considering their verdict.They’ve heard all of the evidence and the decision on whether the 15 year old boy on trial is guilty of murder or manslaughter now rests with them. In this episode Caroline and Jack have the final instructions the judge gave them before she told them to start their deliberations.Follow us on @thetrialpodContact us at [email protected] a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial')The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing arguments from the defence and prosecution before the jury retire to consider their verdicts. Prosecutor Richard Thyne KC said the defendant did not suffer from a loss of self-control when he stabbed Harvey Willgoose, but displayed purposeful and controlled aggression as an act of retribution. Gul Nawaz Hussain KC, for the defence, said the evidence clearly showed the defendant was in intense fear in the weeks leading up to the attack - and Harvey was simply the final straw that broke him.Follow us on @thetrialpodContact us at [email protected] a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial')The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us [email protected] us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) A Daily Mail production.Seriously Popular.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free and packed with exclusive interviews, expert insight, and gripping deep dive investigations from across the world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.