
The TMZ Podcast
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Breaking Update: Britney Spears Facing Jail Time
New updates in the DUI arrest of Britney Spears. Plus more breaking news from TMZ! Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Britney Spears Heading For Another Conservatorship?
Lou Williams backed the Hawks’ controversial “Magic City Monday,” defended ATL culture and his signature lemon pepper wings, and said not everyone has to agree. Jonathan and Ana Towns are suing CBS for $8 million, claiming “The Amazing Race” edited them into a defamatory portrayal and demanding corrections or disclaimers. Britney Spears has spoken with her mom and sons after her DUI arrest as she says she’s open to treatment, while her team restructures following reports she fired sobriety coaches weeks earlier. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New Details: Britney Spears DUI Arrest
New updates in the DUI arrest of Britney Spears. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Britney Spears Arrested in California for DUI
Britney Spears was arrested in Ventura County for DUI Wednesday night, booked around 3 AM, and released hours later amid ongoing legal drama and past run-ins with the law. Nicki Minaj’s sister and Stefon Diggs’ mom showed up at Cardi B’s Houston tour stop despite lingering feud tensions and Cardi’s recent split from Diggs. Plus. Savannah Guthrie returned to the ‘TODAY’ studio to thank colleagues while remaining focused on efforts to find her kidnapped mother, as authorities pursue leads and rewards climb to $1.1 million. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie Investigation: Glove DNA Matched to Restaurant Worker
Investigators say DNA from a glove found during the search for Nancy Guthrie matched a nearby restaurant worker but is not connected to the kidnapping. Harry Styles said he felt public pressure to share his grief after Liam Payne’s death. Plus, Harry Jowsey revealed he had a full vial of Botox injected into his penis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Iran Conflict: White House Choosing Who to Save?
White House officials quietly helped a group of MAGA influencers — including Trump adviser Alex Bruesewitz and dog-walker Sarah Daither — flee the escalating Middle East war zone. Machine Gun Kelly reacted publicly to Megan Fox’s return to Instagram with a flirty comment on her revealing photo post, despite the former couple remaining split while co-parenting their young daughter. A 25-year-old “Deadliest Catch” deckhand, Todd Meadows, died after falling overboard in the Bering Sea, with the Coast Guard launching an investigation into the fatal incident. David and Victoria Beckham publicly wished their estranged son Brooklyn a happy 27th birthday on social media, signaling affection despite ongoing family tensions and public fallout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tom Brady SHADES Logan Paul!
Tom Brady escalated his feud with Logan Paul by calling him a “b*tch” in a workout video with Rob Gronkowski while promoting the upcoming Fanatics Flag Football Classic. Selena Gomez kissed Benny Blanco’s toe on their podcast in a playful response to online backlash mocking his allegedly dirty feet. Two hot air balloonists were safely rescued after their balloon became tangled 900 feet up on a communications tower in Longview, Texas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hillary Clinton and Nancy Mace Clash During Epstein Deposition
Newly released video shows Hillary Clinton clashing with Rep. Nancy Mace during her closed-door Epstein deposition. Kesha blasted the White House for using her song in a military-themed video. Body cam footage captures former “American Idol” contestant Caleb Flynn sobbing after his wife was fatally shot, as prosecutors now allege he staged the scene and have charged him with her murder. Plus, Justin Timberlake has filed a lawsuit to block the release of police body cam footage from his 2024 DWI arrest. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jim Carrey’s Paris Awards Appearance Addressed by Publicist
Jim Carrey personally attended the César Awards in Paris, his publicist confirmed, shutting down online rumors that a stunt double or impersonator accepted his honorary award. Savannah Guthrie was seen visiting a memorial outside her missing mother Nancy’s Tucson home one month after her disappearance. Plus, McDonald’s CEO Chris Kempczinski is being mocked online after an awkward promotional video showed him struggling to take a convincing bite of the new Big Arch burger. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kelly Osbourne TORCHES Body-Shaming Critics After BRIT Awards Appearance
Kelly Osbourne fired back at online critics who body-shamed her at the BRIT Awards. President Trump said the U.S. and Israel carried out coordinated strikes on Iran. Plus, Chet Hanks revealed he’s stuck in Colombia over a passport problem and is seeking emergency travel documents to get back to the United States. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feds Announce Dozens More Arrests in Minnesota Church Anti-ICE Protest
Federal prosecutors have charged 30 additional people in the Minnesota anti-ICE church protest case, where Don Lemon has pleaded not guilty and insists he was present as a journalist. Plus, NBC is reportedly taking a serious look at Pink as a potential replacement for Kelly Clarkson on her daytime talk show, though no deal has been finalized. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Clinton Testifies to House Oversight Committee on Jeffrey Epstein
Former President Bill Clinton is testifying behind closed doors before the House Oversight Committee about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Justin Bieber gave an impromptu drum and piano performance inside a Downtown L.A. furniture store. Plus, Rihanna fueled speculation about new music by sharing video of herself working in a recording studio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Nancy Guthrie: NEW VIDEO Emerges From Morning of Abduction
Newly surfaced security footage from a home about 2.5 miles from Nancy Guthrie’s Tucson residence shows vehicles speeding by around the time of her February 1 abduction. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Michael Babcock Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Halle Berry Reveals One Thing She Refuses to Do During Sex
Halle Berry revealed she refuses to fake orgasms with fiancé Van Hunt, saying their relationship is about mutual pleasure as the engaged couple plans to marry after nearly six years together despite not feeling pressured to wed. Amanda Seyfried said she wore a “prosthetic butthole” while filming The Testament of Ann Lee for graphic authenticity, joking it was there “just in case” and to get audiences into theaters. Sofia Franklyn unveiled her memoir Daddy Issues with a cover featuring a cut-out image of former “Call Her Daddy” co-host Alex Cooper, signaling lingering tension from their 2020 split and contract fallout. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cardi B Allegedly Blew Up at ‘SNL’ Rehearsal Over Nicki Minaj Joke
Cardi B allegedly erupted backstage during “SNL’s” 1,000th episode rehearsals over a scrapped Nicki Minaj joke, reportedly throwing her phone, breaking a screen, and threatening to leave the show. Spotify and Liquid Death launched the limited-edition Eternal Playlist Urn with a built-in Bluetooth speaker and a personalized playlist generator, letting fans take their music “into the afterlife.” Plus, Tom Brady calls WWE "Very cute." Hosts: Branson Quirke, Michael Babcock Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ghislaine Maxwell’s Florida Prison Life Detailed by Former Inmate
A former inmate alleges Ghislaine Maxwell had poor hygiene while serving time in a Florida prison on her sex trafficking conviction. Bill Gates reportedly acknowledged past affairs with Russian women during a foundation meeting, amid renewed attention on his ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Plus, Benny Blanco’s bare feet went viral after a podcast episode and were later posted to a celebrity foot-rating site. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Was Gavin Newsom Being Racist?
California Gov. Gavin Newsom is facing backlash over comments he made at an Atlanta book event. Plus, Don Lemon is being sued by a Minnesota woman who claims she suffered emotional distress during a church protest he covered. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Antonio Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Savannah Guthrie Offers $1 Million Reward for Missing Mother Nancy
Savannah Guthrie and her family are offering a $1 million reward for information leading to the recovery of her missing mother, Nancy Guthrie. President Donald Trump congratulated the U.S. men’s hockey team on their Olympic gold and joked he’d be impeached if he didn’t also invite the women’s gold medal team to the White House. Plus, a new study claims more than 18,000 coordinated bot accounts boosted Nicki Minaj’s social media engagement. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nick Reiner On His Own For Legal Fees
Nick Reiner’s siblings are no longer financially supporting his murder defense. Sydney Sweeney has officially cut business ties with ex-fiancé Jonathan Davino. Plus, Jamie Foxx is pushing back on the explanation that Tourette Syndrome caused a man to shout the N-word during the BAFTAs. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Antonio Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Will He Finally Plead? Rob Reiner’s Son Returns to Court
Nick Reiner is set to return to a Los Angeles courtroom on Monday for his arraignment. Adult content creator Bonnie Blue says she is pregnant after having unprotected sex with roughly 400 men. Plus, Shia LaBeouf was seen kissing a mystery woman during a night out in New Orleans. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Conan O'Brien Breaks Silence On Reiner Murders
Conan O’Brien broke his silence on the murders of Rob and Michele Reiner, saying he had seen them hours before their deaths, praising Rob’s legacy, and expressing shock as their son Nick faces charges amid questions about his mental health and possible drug involvement. A baby macaque named Punch went viral after videos showed him being bullied at a Japanese zoo and clinging to a stuffed toy for comfort, sparking global sympathy, celebrity attention, and even a $250,000 purchase offer as updates suggest he is slowly being accepted. Plus, Thai police dressed in a red lion dance costume during Lunar New Year celebrations to arrest a suspected thief accused of stealing valuable Buddhist artefacts, with the dramatic sting operation quickly going viral online. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former Prince Andrew Bizarre Photos Exposed
Former Prince Andrew was photographed in 2011 rolling a breast-painted ball with a young boy inside his Windsor home, years before his unrelated arrest this week on suspicion of misconduct in public office tied to alleged Jeffrey Epstein emails, with sources saying he was not alone with the child at the time. “Grey’s Anatomy” star Eric Dane has died at 53 after a public battle with ALS. Plus, Brian Littrell’s $50,000 lawsuit accusing a woman of repeatedly trespassing on his Florida beach property was dismissed. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donald Trump Slams Obama Over Extraterrestrials Comments
President Donald Trump accused former President Barack Obama of disclosing classified information with recent comments about aliens. Plus, Pixar has released the trailer for “Toy Story 5.” Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former Prince Andrew Arrested Over Epstein Files
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, formerly Prince Andrew, was arrested in England on suspicion of misconduct in public office tied to revelations in the Epstein Files, as Virginia Giuffre’s family hailed the move as long-awaited justice, King Charles III pledged full cooperation with authorities, and separately the Milano Cortina Winter Olympics restocked condoms after an early shortage driven by higher-than-expected demand. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie: Potentially In Mexico
New updates in the Nancy Guthrie search. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Shia LaBeouf Back Partying Hours After Arrest
Shia LaBeouf was spotted partying on Bourbon Street hours after his Mardi Gras arrest. Brianna “Chickenfry” LaPaglia claims Zach Bryan’s recent marriage was a dig at her. Plus, Sydney Sweeney and Scooter Braun were seen belting out karaoke hits in Ventura. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Christian Grayson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie Search: DNA Test Results Revealed
Klay Thompson gifted Megan Thee Stallion a blue Bentley for her 31st birthday during a tropical All-Star break getaway, confirming their whirlwind romance is getting serious. The FBI escalated its investigation into Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapping by turning to genealogy DNA testing after a glove found near her Tucson home yielded no CODIS match, with a $100,000 reward still active. Shia LaBeouf was caught on video getting beaten outside a New Orleans bar during Mardi Gras before being hospitalized and later arrested on simple battery charges for allegedly starting the fight. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Shia LaBeouf Arrested In New Orleans
Shia LaBeouf was reportedly on a chaotic Mardi Gras bar crawl in New Orleans that ended with his arrest on simple battery charges after an alleged fight in the French Quarter, with witnesses describing him as inebriated and disruptive while other venues said he was chill. Kim Kardashian has filed multiple “NOR11” trademarks hinting that 12-year-old North West may be launching a fashion and accessories brand amid ongoing buzz about her bold personal style. Meanwhile, Milwaukee attorney Michael Hupy is offering a $100,000 reward through Crime Stoppers for information leading to an arrest in the Nancy Guthrie case, criticizing how the investigation has been handled. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sheriff Clears All Family Members in Nancy Guthrie Disappearance
Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos says all Guthrie family members have been cleared in Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapping. Plus, Cardi B has confirmed her split from Stefon Diggs and publicly defended the NFL star against rapper BIA during a fiery onstage moment on her “Little Miss Drama Tour.” Hosts: Deven Rall, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Latest Updates in the Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping
The latest updates in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping investigation include new law enforcement activity, emerging forensic evidence, and evolving theories about what may have led to her disappearance. Plus, Barack Obama is clarifying viral podcast comments about aliens, explaining that while he believes it’s statistically possible life exists somewhere in the vast universe, he saw no evidence during his presidency that aliens have visited or made contact with Earth. Hosts: Deven Rall, Jim Eckhardt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

TMZ Receives Third Email in Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping
A third email sent to TMZ by a man claiming to know Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper now demands the full $100,000 FBI reward in bitcoin — split into two $50,000 payments — as he says he does not trust law enforcement and wants TMZ to act as an intermediary. Plus, Don Lemon has pleaded not guilty to federal charges. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie: FBI, Sheriff Reportedly Clash Over Evidence?
FBI and the Pima County Sheriff are reportedly clashing over where to test key evidence in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping, with the sheriff denying any dispute and saying investigators are cooperating as gloves matching the suspect’s description and new details about a 5'9"–5'10" masked male with a black Ozark Trail backpack emerge. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie: TMZ Receives New Demand Note
New updates in the search for Nancy Guthrie. Plus, Bad Bunny may return to the WWE! Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie Still Missing: Feds Close In
The FBI is seeking doorbell footage from two January dates near Nancy Guthrie’s Tucson-area home as investigators test a black glove found nearby and search for a masked suspect believed to be local. Donna Kelce says she hasn’t signed an NDA for Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift’s expected June wedding in Rhode Island, insisting she can keep details private and is excited for her mother-son dance. Nicole Curtis apologized after leaked footage showed her using a racial slur on “Rehab Addict,” leading HGTV to pull the show and end her 15-year run with the network. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
New Details: James Van Der Beek Dead At 48
James Van Der Beek has died at the age of 48 after a lengthy cancer battle. Plus, new updates in the search for Nancy Guthrie. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Eric Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Man Detained in Nancy Guthrie Abduction Breaks Silence
A DoorDash deliveryman identified as Carlos says he is innocent after being detained and questioned by the FBI and local authorities in connection with the kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie. Britney Spears has sold her ownership stake in her music catalog to Primary Wave in a major deal reportedly valued near $200 million. Plus, Olympic biathlete Sturla Holm Laegreid’s ex-girlfriend is responding publicly after his on-air admission of infidelity. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

BREAKING: Person of Interest in Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping Caught on Camera
The FBI has released photos and video of the alleged suspect in the Nancy Guthrie missing case. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Michael Babcock Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie: Final Ransom Deadline Passes, What Happens Next?
The final ransom deadline in the kidnapping of Savannah Guthrie’s mother, Nancy Guthrie, expired Monday with no new public information, no confirmed ransom payment, and no suspects identified as the search continues. 50 Cent mocked NFL star Stefon Diggs on social media following his Super Bowl loss, tying the on-field defeat to rumors that Diggs and Cardi B had split. Plus, Lindsey Vonn’s Olympic comeback came to a sudden end after a violent downhill crash resulted in a complex tibia fracture, an injury she says was caused by a technical error and not her prior ACL tear. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Charlie Neff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie: Final Deadline Passes
The final deadline on the alleged ransom note has officially passed with Nancy Guthrie still missing. Hosts: Branson Quirke & Jakson Buhaj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie: Final Deadline Today
Bad Bunny crushed the Super Bowl LX Halftime Show in Santa Clara with a high-energy set featuring surprise appearances by Lady Gaga and Ricky Martin and star cameos across the field. Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “Today” co-anchor Savannah Guthrie, remains missing in Arizona with authorities investigating her disappearance as a potential abduction and no suspects yet identified. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping: Arizona TV Station Receives New Mystery Message
A new message has been sent to a Tucson, Arizona news station regarding Nancy Guthrie. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Michael Babcock Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping: 1st Ransom Note Deadline Passes
New updates emerge in the search for Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

FBI Confirms Two Deadlines in Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note
The FBI confirmed an alleged ransom letter tied to Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance includes two deadlines. Plus, Cardi B is the betting favorite to make a surprise appearance during Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Halftime Show. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Michael Babcock Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Savannah Guthrie DEMANDS Proof Her Mom Is Alive
Savannah Guthrie addressed an alleged ransom note, saying the family will not consider payment without proof of life for her mother and warning that AI makes fake photos or videos easy to create. Plus, law enforcement searched the Arizona home of Savannah Guthrie’s sister Annie and her husband, using digital forensic equipment, as investigators say the couple were the last to see kidnapping victim Nancy Guthrie, though no suspects or arrests have been announced. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Police Investigating Possible New Lead in Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping
Police are investigating a possible lead in the Nancy Guthrie missing person case. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Michael Babcock Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tongva Tribe Calls Out Billie Eilish After ‘Stolen Land’ Grammys Speech
After Billie Eilish declared “no one is illegal on stolen land” during her Grammys acceptance speech, the Tongva Tribe confirmed her home sits on their ancestral land and said they appreciated the sentiment while urging public figures to explicitly name Indigenous tribes in the future. As Quinton Aaron recovers from a spinal stroke, his family is disputing the legitimacy of a woman claiming to be his wife, alleging she is legally married to another man. Plus, the iconic Breaking Bad house has seen its jaw-dropping asking price slashed from $4 million to $400,000 Hosts: Branson Quirke, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nancy Guthrie: Chilling Alleged Ransom Note Sent Out
TMZ obtained an alleged ransom note in the kidnapping of Savannah Guthrie’s mother, Nancy Guthrie, demanding millions in Bitcoin. Plus, Nikki Bella fueled buzz about her casual dating life by name-dropping Eagles Pro Bowl cornerback Cooper DeJean during a WWE “Raw” promo in Philadelphia. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Michael Babcock Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

NEW DEVELOPMENT: Nancy Guthrie Abducted From Home
Blood and signs of forced entry were found in the Tucson home of Savannah Guthrie’s missing 84-year-old mother, Nancy, with investigators treating her disappearance as a crime and homicide detectives, the FBI, and K-9 units now involved. Lemon claims federal agents staged a humiliating elevator arrest in L.A. without warning or proper identification, as he insists FACE Act charges tied to a Minnesota church protest stem from his work as a journalist. Kelly Clarkson is ending her daytime talk show after seven seasons to prioritize her children, closing out an Emmy-winning run while teasing future music, touring, and possible returns to The Voice. Hosts: Branson Quirke, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Grammy Awards 2026: Inside Music’s Biggest Night
The 2026 Grammy Awards delivered a night of headline-making performances, historic wins, viral moments, and controversy, from Bad Bunny’s groundbreaking Album of the Year win to Billie Eilish’s engagement rumors. Bella Hadid was seen dancing intimately with ex-boyfriend Adan Banuelos at a Texas bar just hours before he was arrested for public intoxication. Plus, Melania Trump’s documentary Melania shocked the box office with a massive opening weekend of roughly $7 million, making it the biggest documentary debut in nearly ten years. Hosts: Deven Rall, Talia Bloch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

BREAKING: Inside Don Lemon's Arrest
Former CNN anchor Don Lemon was arrested by federal agents in Los Angeles over his alleged role in a January anti-ICE protest at a Minnesota church, with prosecutors calling it a coordinated attack while his attorney says Lemon was acting as a journalist and being politically targeted. President Trump’s Cabinet turned the Kennedy Center into a glitzy social scene for the premiere of Melania Trump’s Amazon documentary, even as “Melania” posters across Los Angeles were vandalized with Hitler imagery and expletives, forcing Metro to reshuffle buses. Ashley Tisdale was spotted hanging out with Haylie Duff amid swirling fan speculation about a “toxic mom group,” rumors her rep flatly denies as online overreach. Hosts: Charlie Cotton, Deven Rall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices