428: ‘Michigan-Starred Fine Dining’, With Louie Mantia
The Talk Show With John Gruber · Daring Fireball / John Gruber
July 31, 20253h 5m
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Show Notes
Special guest Louie Mantia joins the show to talk about Liquid Glass, the various OS 26 updates, and the worrisome state of Apple’s UI design overall. Also: sandwiches.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
- Louie’s personal website, chock full of downloadable wallpapers, icons, and more.
- Louie, on Alan Dye: “A Responsibility to the Industry”.
- Louie on Mastodon.
- Parakeet, Louie’s design partnership with Luka Grafera.
- Steve Jobs introducing the new icon for iTunes that Louie made (the best iTunes icon ever).
- Daring Fireball: “Sorry, MacOS Tahoe Beta 2 Still Does the Finder Icon Dirty” (with links, at the bottom, to Louie’s mockup of how Liquid Glass versions of the Finder icon should look).
- My polls on light/dark mode preferences on your phone: Mastodon and Threads.
- NeXTStep’s GUI and icons, including the realistic “folders” and super-detailed “home” with shrubbery and a tree in front of the house (and another collection just of NeXTStep’s icons).
- Redweld — Makers of the iconic (no pun intended) expandable files that NeXT’s folder icons were based on.
- The wonderfully skeuomorphic original interfaces for Apple’s iPhone Voice Memos and Podcasts apps.
- Steve Jobs introducing Aqua at Macworld San Francisco in January 2000.
- A July 1986 draft of the original Human Interface Guidelines (PDF) from Apple, including a brief section on “Perceived Stability” (followed by a section on “See-and-Point versus Remember-and-Type”).
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.