The Steam Room

Brimming with excitement after Georgia’s second consecutive National Championship, Ernie (class of ’78) welcomes Head Coach Kirby Smart into the Steam Room to reflect on the Dawg’s dynastic run, marvel at the improbable rise of Stetson Bennett, and rub it all in Chuck’s face. Come for the Natty celebration, stay for Coach’s surprising revelation about the infamous leaked audio of his pregame speech. The run of greatness continues with Candace Parker, who drops by to take stock of the NBA season at its midway point, defend her lackluster performance on Celebrity Jeopardy, and debunk Chuck’s theory about bird feeders. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Start the new year off right by listening to the Steam Room and speaking to your vegetables. Renowned chef and founder of World Central Kitchen José Andrés joins Ernie and Charles to discuss the over 200-million meals served during his organization’s emergency response efforts, as well as Chuck’s lack of appreciation for kale, steaks and guacamole. EJ and Charles send their thoughts to Damar Hamlin & Jeremy Renner. TK stops by to serve up some fun and the Georgia Bulldogs get the last laugh on Chuck’s Answering Machine. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Have yourself a merry, little Steam Room with Chuck on the Karaoke machine and friend-of-the-show Harry Miree on the drums. Ernie & Charles welcome in Licensed Clinical Social Worker Liz Beecroft to discuss the importance of mental health around the holidays, and how to best support others in what can be a challenging time. The grandkids pop in to wish “Poppy and Big Pop” a Merry Christmas and Chuck takes his answering machine for a spin. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

WNBA Champ Kelsey Plum joins to discuss Brittney Griner, explain the nuance of Collective Bargaining, and tell an epic Tom Brady story, before taking a cheap shot at Charles on the way out. TK goes full Gen-Z with a long list of icks about the Chuckster. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Chuckster throws Ernie a bone and lets him celebrate the Dawgs No. 1 bid in the CFB Playoff with former Georgia QB Aaron Murray. Football fever doesn’t stop there, TK and Ernie quiz Sir Charles on “Real or Fake” Bowl Game names. A call from Chuck's Answering Machine gets Ernie & Charles to try out their best Shaq impressions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Saturday Night Live Legend & 3x Emmy Award-Winner Bill Hader joins the subject of his impersonations (Ernie Johnson) and 4x SNL Host Charles Barkley to reminisce on some big laughs and fun memories of the Chuckster making cast members break. Ernie wishes he’d asked less questions about Chuck’s tattoo idea, and Charles thinks Auburn will shock the world in Saturday’s Iron Bowl (or does he?). Legendary Producer Tim Kiley joins for an SNL-themed quiz and voicemails keep piling up on Chuck’s Answering Machine. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It’s a War Damn Party in the Steam Room. Auburn’s interim head coach Carnell “Cadillac” Williams joins to drop words of wisdom and ignite a friendly rivalry. TK puts The Chuckster’s man crushes up against the 2022 Sexiest Man Alive and Chuck’s Answering Machine has the guys drawing up tattoo ideas. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rabbi Erez Sherman comes on to discuss the controversy surrounding Kyrie Irving promoting a film with antisemitic messaging. World Series Champ Dexter Fowler joins to pour cold water on the Chuckster's high hopes for 'his' Phillies. Chuck's Answering Machine features an international call from an old friend, a story about a scary interaction at a celebrity golf tournament, and an answer to the age-old question, "are Charles' teeth real?" See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The grandpas are back for another season of The Steam Room and are tipping things off with their newest teammate. The 3x NBA Sixth Man of the Year turned TNT analyst Jamal Crawford talks about his new endeavor and truly becomes part of the team, ripping Chuck for wearing jeans straight from the 90s. Charles shouts out Roger Federer and Serena Williams, discusses the future of college football and sends his thoughts to Brittney Griner in Season 4's FIRST 'First of All.' EJ and Chuck dust off the ‘ol answering machine and welcome in LEGENDARY producer TK who inspires The Chuckster to recount the time he polished off a dozen doughnuts in one day. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Season 4 of The Steam Room is right around the corner! Join us as we look back on some of the hilarious stories, nostalgic surprises and generational motivation from a few of our Season 3 guests. Keep your towel on, we'll see you soon! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the Season 3 Finale, Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen stops by to talk about competing in The Match on June 1st alongside Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers. Allen also dishes about his (gross) pregame routine, gambling with Chuck in Tahoe, and why Frank Sinatra is the secret to his success on the gridiron. The Legendary TK pits Ernie and Charles against each other in a Season 3-inspired Quiz Game. And Chuck's Answering Machine finally answers the age-old question: is Dr. Putterman real? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yay-yuh! Hall of Fame hurler Pedro Martinez drops by the Steam Room and delivers his best stuff on the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry, modern day pitching, and throwing BP to a Montreal Expos draftee named Tom Brady. Chuck's Answering Machine goes global, Ernie gives a lesson in steak-cutting etiquette, and Charles foolishly tries to defend his position on swallowing gum. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles’ golfing buddy, Roy Green, surprises The Chuckster in an episode filled with laughs, insults, and an insider account of the "evolution" of Chuck's golf game. TK challenges the guys to a game of 'guess the famous person's real name'. Chuck’s Answering Machine features a call from Amsterdam, a Buc-ee's review, and the wildest thing Chuck did (or didn't do) during his time at Auburn. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chuck and Ernie are back in full swing. Emmy-Award nominated host Taylor Rooks steps inside the Steam Room to talk about her rise in the industry and blocking out the noise. The outstanding interviewer even has a few questions of her own for Charles & EJ. The Chuckster answers a burning question on Chuck’s Answering Machine…has he ever worn Spanx? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Clark Kellogg brings his contagious excitement for March Madness into the Steam Room and gets our very own Auburn homer prepared for the D1 Men’s College Basketball Tournament. The CBS analyst shares his sleeper teams, talks player potential and even gives some Grandfatherly advice to the Chuckster. Charles and Ernie share their thoughts on Calvin Ridley’s suspension from the NFL and dive deep into your calls on Chuck's Answering Machine. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Olympic Gold Medalist Suni Lee joins the Steam Room to chat about her historic freshman season with Auburn gymnastics. SVP of Turner Sports Tara August comes on to set the record straight about Chuck's' claim that Kobe Bryant nearly signed with NBA on TNT. The Answering Machine posits a question none of us were wondering: what's the weirdest thing Charles Barkley has ever eaten? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hall-of-Famer Dominique Wilkins drops by The Steam Room after a thrilling weekend celebrating the NBA 75th Anniversary Team in Cleveland. The 2x Slam Dunk Champion talks what it means to be named one of the leagues’ 76 greatest legends, how he ended up a Bulldawg and what can be done to refine the Dunk Contest. TK is still in the Olympic spirit with a chilling story you’ll just have to hear. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stephen A. Smith finds his way in to The Steam Room and Charles cuts right to the chase. The two discuss the lack of Black head coaches in the NFL and the recent allegations made by Brian Flores, in addition to Kyrie, Ben Simmons & Super Bowl predictions. Ernie has a hard time believing Chuck's new diet plan and TK can't help but remind Chuck of his unicorn business opportunity that got away. Chuck’s Answering Machine is flooded with calls disappointed in Sir Charles’ painful birth take. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jordan Brand Chairman Larry Miller shares his story of redemption and forgiveness after revealing a 56-year secret. After one of the wildest weekends in NFL history, TK gauges Chuck and Ernie’s thoughts on the league's overtime rules and suggests a formula for picking conference championship winners. Chuck’s Answering Machine’s got swag and first-time dad advice for one of our very own. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2x WNBA Champion, 2021 AP Female Athlete of the Year & loyal steamer Candace Parker makes her way in to The Steam Room to celebrate her incredible year and brainstorm a few baby names. TK has travel on his mind which leads Chuck down a road we never saw coming… is tuna really a delicacy? After ‘ole brown eyes’ big performance last week, Chuck’s Answering Machine was flooded with some not-so-positive reviews. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In a Dawg-filled celebration, Ernie and Charles are treated to “house band” as the University of Georgia graduate Quentin Smith plays our beloved theme song, "Glory, Glory," Lizzo (Chuck's favorite) & more. Georgia Offensive Lineman & 2021 National Champion Jamaree Salyer drops by to relive the championship game and provide prospective on the future. And thanks to our very own stand-up bass player, TK has something cooked up for the self-proclaimed "greatest karaoke singer of all time." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The fellas are back and eager to start 2022 on the right foot. Peloton Senior Instructor, and one of Ernie’s personal favorites, Alex Toussaint rides in to share his inspirational story, celebrate EJ’s 200th ride and try to get Charles off the Chuckcyle 5000 and onto the Peloton. Chuck’s Answering Machine has a little bit of everything, from ‘interesting questions’ to humbling nods - Ernie and Charles are full of stories and life advice in a truly great episode to tip off the new year (if EJ does say so himself). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles, Ernie and TK react to the media frenzy Chuck created after announcing he named his daughter after a mall. Chuck’s Answering Machine received a record number of calls, which inspires conversations surrounding everything from parade appearances to jersey etiquette and the music Sir Charles is bumping in his headphones. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Paul Finebaum stops by The Steam Room to breakdown the College Football Playoff, the Dawgs' QB conundrum and shares stories about covering a young Charles Barkley in Alabama. Inspired by Brian Kelly, The Chuckster demonstrates a few, uh, 'unique' accents. Ernie raises his hands, closes his eyes and mouths "Stop" when Chuck reveals the origin behind why he chose his daughter's name. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We go way back with Charles (or Wade as he’s better known in Leeds, Alabama) with a surprise appearance from his prom date, Amy Shorter. The pair exchange memories about their time spent together and how the Chuckster broke her heart on his quest for the Homecoming Queen. TK presents a controversial conversation from another legendary TK, Tony Kornheiser - should sand be in the Toy Hall of Fame? Chuck’s Answering Machine has calls from friends new and old - even a recommendation for his new hobby… reading? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

7x Super Bowl Champion & Executive Producer of The Match Tom Brady stops by The Steam Room to look forward to the rest of the Bucs’ season and look back at why he never needed a plan B. TK rewinds the tape for some of Chuck’s most hilarious media run-ins through the years and prompts the question - what is the best press conference of all time? The Chuckster can’t contain his excitement for Thanksgiving or Brooks Koepka vs. Bryson DeChambeau - November 26 on TNT. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode of The Steam Room, we celebrate the life of Ernie’s beloved son, Michael, who passed away in October at the age of 33. Hall of Famer Peyton Manning stops by to chat about the success (or curse?) of the ‘Manning Cast’, the hardships of winning and the recipe for success for today’s quarterbacks. TK poses a question straight off the Twitter timeline and Chuck’s Answering Machine is sure to soften the heart. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Curtis Granderson hops into The Steam Room with the World Series underway. The former MLB star gives his Braves-Astros predictions & his thoughts on how to market the game to the next generation. Chuck is in mid-season form as TK makes his return to catch up with the guys. Chuck’s Answering Machine sparks a delicious surprise. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It’s HOT in the Steam Room as Ernie and Charles tip off Season 3 with none other than Wayne Gretzky. The Great One talks everything from his new gig at the NHL on TNT desk, Alexander Ovechkin’s record chase and his short stint on the basketball court. Charles doesn’t hold back on his thoughts surrounding Ben Simmons & Kyrie Irving. Chuck’s Answering Machine makes its return with even more spontaneity and sincerity. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this bonus episode of The Steam Room, Producer Kap and a few of our loyal steamers take us through some of the hilarious, creative and impactful messages from Chuck’s Answering Machine in Season 2. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this bonus episode of The Steam Room, Ernie and Charles take us back through some of their favorite “special, special guest” conversations from Season 2. Featuring equal parts hilarity and impact from their discussions with Jimmy Kimmel, Spike Lee, Magic Johnson, Coach K, Anderson Cooper, Bill Walton, Maria Taylor, Kyle Korver, Tony Dungy, Rick Mahorn, Masai Ujiri & Scott Drew. Keep your towels on, loyal steamers… It’s a good one. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It’s a LEGENDARY season finale in the Steam Room with Duke MBB coach Mike Krzyzewski. The Hall of Famer joins Charles and Ernie to look forward to his retirement and back at late-nights with the ’92 Dream Team. This episode is full of stories as Charles recounts the time he was afraid to see Coach K at practice, why Michael Jordan never slept and more. A surprise guest joins to discuss the 2021 Black Masters, and Steve Gleason blows EJ & Chuck away with an inspiring message on the answering machine. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ahead of his retirement this summer, Marv Albert joins Ernie and Charles in the Steam Room to reflect on his legendary 7-decade-long broadcasting career, share some of his favorite moments from behind the mic, and throw shade at Mike Fratello. Charles commends Naomi Osaka for speaking out on mental health and expresses his gratitude for Coach K. And as always, Chuck’s answering machine delivers a surprise that is sure to brighten your day. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New Jersey Devils defenseman P.K. Subban skates into The Steam Room to talk TNT’s impending NHL coverage, his passion for charity work and how to foster the next generation of Black hockey players. Legendary producer Tim Kiely stops by for a mouthwatering discussion surrounding summer cookouts. Chuck can’t get enough of the Brooks Koepka & Bryson DeChambeau drama and Ernie DEMANDS Steam Room merch. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

ESPN’s Maria Taylor enters The Steam Room to talk about giving the commencement address at her and Ernie’s alma mater, the NBA playoffs, farm life and the incredible legacy of Lavonia Matthews. Drummer dude Harry Miree joins to celebrate his Webby win, make us all smile and team up with Charles for a good cause. Ernie thinks you should watch Whiplash. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New York Knicks superfan Spike Lee hops into the Steam Room to share his excitement as his team prepares for their first playoff appearance in eight years. The Academy Award-Winning storyteller dishes on one wild night in Barcelona with The Dream Team, and recounts his experience working with the late Chadwick Boseman. As always, the conversation goes bigger than basketball as the trio discusses the importance of the COVID-19 vaccine and New York’s post-pandemic recovery. Charles & Ernie look forward to Inside the NBA’s Hall of Fame induction, EJ reveals who made his MVP ballot and Chuck lists something equally important: his favorite sandwiches. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Adam Lefkoe joins Ernie and Charles in the Steam Room to cover everything from the evolution of TNT Tuesdays to tornado chasing, MVP cases and marriage advice. TK cuts his vacation short to drop by and put the Chuckster’s NHL knowledge to the test. Chuck’s Answering Machine delivers again and the guys get a visit from a very special loyal steamer. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

While TK continues to slack off at the beach, Ernie and Charles invite Academy Award-winning filmmaker Adam McKay into The Steam Room to discuss his new docu-series podcast ‘Death At The Wing,’ his Philadelphia roots and ever-present sense of humor. Chuck shares his excitement for hockey on TNT and for (the first round of) the NFL Draft. Loyal Steamers that have found joy in the podcast return the favor and leave EJ and Chuck with a smile. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jimmy Kimmel enters The Steam Room to share his love for Inside the NBA, chat about what it’s like hosting a show without an audience, unpack his obsession with the MyPillow guy, and explain how to deal with a guest who is absolutely bombing. Charles shares a controversial theory about blowing smoke. Ernie reveals his most prized personal possession. TK is at the beach catching passes from Dan Marino. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Scott Drew joins Ernie and Charles in the Steam Room to chat about the National Champion Baylor Bears, playing pickleball in the Bubble with Mark Few, and politely laughs at every single one of the Chuckster’s jokes. Charles blames the Jeopardy buzzers for letting Martha Stewart beat him on a basketball question, brags about delaying an NBA game to meet Susan Lucci, and defends a Family Feud answer that nearly broke Steve Harvey. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

With Ernie on vacation, “Charlie” is calling the shots this week. Fresh off a National Championship game appearance, Arizona Women’s Basketball Head Coach Adia Barnes enters the Steam Room to talk balancing motherhood while coaching, and how she feels about being compared to the Chuckster. Rick Mahorn drops by to give the scoop on which Bad Boys could actually fight, swap Manute Bol stories, and double-down on his claim that Charles should’ve fouled Michael Jordan harder. Allie LaForce joins to discuss fan interaction protocol, and generally just give Chuck a hard time. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The incomparable Bill Walton enters the Steam Room to revel in the celebration of his Bruins' miraculous Final Four run, share lessons learned from John Wooden and Michael Jordan, and wax poetic about his love of rock concerts. Andy Katz joins to preview the remaining Madness and rank the top performances of the Tournament thus far. Chuck’s Answering Machine features a special message from Italy. Hint: it’s from an actor in one of Chuck’s favorite movies. Are you not entertained!? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

College Basketball analysts Clark Kellogg and Seth Davis enter the Steam Room to get the guys ready for March Madness, and help us all prepare to fill out our brackets. The Legendary Tim Kiely gives an eyewitness account of the Chuckster dancing the horah. Chuck shares a secret about gold medals, and reveals his favorite soup that shares its name with a Latino boy band from the 1980’s. Ernie tries on his Black Masters Jacket, just because he can. Still fits. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

To celebrate this weekend's premiere of The Inside Story - the four-part docuseries on over 30 years of Inside the NBA - we're releasing the audio from a special conversation between Ernie Johnson and Executive Producer Tim Kiely! Back in 2018, the two sat down to discuss how Inside broke all the "rules" of television with its entertaining style and unfiltered commentary. Make sure to tune-in to The Inside Story, Friday & Saturday: 9pm ET & Sunday immediately following the All-Star game See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kenny “The Jet” Smith joins Ernie, Charles & legendary Inside the NBA producer Tim Kiely to look ahead to The Inside Story - the four-part documentary celebrating 30 years of the iconic studio show premiering March 4-7 on TNT! A pair of international messages on the answering machine make Chuck thankful to live in America, where he has the option to eat donuts instead of bananas. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Christiana Barkley and her fiancé Ilya surprise The Chuckster by dropping in to chat about their upcoming wedding, Elk vs. Steak, Hora weight limits, and what it’s like to ask Charles Barkley for his blessing. Charles sends his thoughts to Tiger Woods, and gives his take on Cam Newton’s response to a young heckler. Ernie shares a cautionary tale about autograph seeking. We learn that “Charles,” in Switzerland, is “Charles.” Shoutout Clay Dalrymple! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dan Le Batard and Stugotz join Ernie and Charles to discuss the evolution of sports media, how to achieve diplomatic immunity, Chuck’s feud with Papi, and shirtless FaceTiming. Loyal Steamers help the Chuckster celebrate his 58th Birthday before a weekend of tequila, steak, cigars, and 1917 on Blue Ray. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. Anthony Fauci joins to answer Ernie & Chuck's questions surrounding vaccine rollout, immunity, double-masking, and his decision to pursue a career in medicine rather than trying to make it as an undersized (but very fast) point guard. Charles asked for song suggestions for his upcoming Daddy-Daughter dance and the Loyal Steamers did not disappoint. Shoutout Johnny Gill! Hold the avocado tequila. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Magic Johnson joins Ernie and Charles in The Steam Room to reminisce on their nights at the ‘Inside’ desk, swap Dream Team stories and laugh about that time Chuck had a worse night than Michael Spinks at the Tyson vs. Spinks fight. The guys talk Super Bowl LV, daddy-daughter dance songs, and for some reason we learn how many times Chuck has thrown up in his life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Ernie and Charles celebrate the legacy of the late, great Hank Aaron, and pay tribute to NBA TV’s Sekou Smith. Dwyane Wade enters The Steam Room to talk about the return of NBA on TNT Tuesdays, retired life, Kobe Bryant, and optimal sandwich construction. Chuck recalls getting sage advice from Dr. J, and getting cursed out by Bill Russell. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices