Devon Price on how systemic shame shapes our lives—and what to do about it

When we’re coping with multiple global crises at a time, it can feel so easy to lean into hopelessness. All too often, hopelessness comes from what author and social psychologist Devon Price calls “systemic shame.” It’s different from the shame you might feel when you do something wrong or hurt someone you love. “Systemic shame is something that I see as a political force that involves offloading the blame for systemic problems,” Price said. “And telling the individuals most affected by it, ‘This is your fault.’” In this episode, host Erin Allen talks to Price about his new book “Unlearning Shame.”