
The Ringer NFL Show
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Are People Too High on the Lions?
Sheil Kapadia and Steven Ruiz break down things that they think people are too high on heading into the 2022 NFL season. They discuss the Lions' ‘Hard Knocks’ hype, rookie wide receivers, Russell Wilson on the Broncos, and more. Hosts: Sheil Kapadia and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal and Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Is Mahomes-Allen the New Brady-Manning?
Lindsay Jones gets Kevin Clark on the horn to share some of the offensive coaching and player updates he witnessed at the Chiefs and Bills' respective training camps. First, they examine Kansas City's revamped receiving corps and how they'll affect Patrick Mahomes's QB play (3:16). Then, they discuss Buffalo's new OC, Ken Dorsey, and speculate if he'll be able to elevate Josh Allen's game to the next level this season (14:56). Hosts: Lindsay Jones and Kevin Clark Producers: Arjuna Ramgopal and Conor Nevins Production Assistance: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Kirk Cousins Scale of QB Competence
Danny Heifetz and Steven Ruiz rank NFL quarterbacks based on if they're better, worse, or just about the same as Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Steven Ruiz Producer: Kaya McMullen Additional Production Supervision: Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
10 Questions About the 10 First-Year Head Coaches
Sheil Kapadia and Nora Princiotti answer 10 questions about first-year head coaches, ranging from most likely to win coach of the year to most likely to go viral. Hosts: Sheil Kapadia and Nora Princiotti Associate Producer: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The NFL Appealed the Deshaun Watson Ruling. Now What?
Sheil and Lindsay go through the Deshaun Watson ruling, the NFL’s appeal, and what all of it means heading into the 2022-23 season. Hosts: Sheil Kapadia and Lindsay Jones Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal and Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Ripple Effects of Miami's Tampering Penalty
JJ and Sheil get together to share their reactions to the news of the suspensions and fines levied against the Miami Dolphins for illegal tampering. They dissect the NFL's ruling, discuss the Dolphins' history of dysfunction under owner Stephen Ross, and make their predictions on how it will affect the team going forward. Hosts: John Jastremski and Sheil Kapadia Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal and Conor Nevins Production Assistance: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Breaking Down the Deshaun Watson Report
Nora and Lindsay get together to share their reactions to the news of Judge Robinson's ruling in the Deshaun Watson case that led to the star quarterback's six-game suspension by the NFL. They examine all the aspects of the decision, and discuss the ramifications of it on the league going forward. Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Lindsay Jones Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal and Conor Nevins Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Deshaun Watson Suspension Reaction
Nora, Lindsay, and Kevin share their thoughts on the six-game suspension handed down to Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson and discuss the possibility of the NFL filing an appeal in the coming days. Hosts: Nora Princiotti, Lindsay Jones, Kevin Clark Associate Producer: Mike Wargon Additional Production Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Solving the Mystery Around the Patriots Offense
Nora Princiotti and Steven Ruiz team up to try to figure out some of the mystery around what the Patriots offense is going to look like this season. They discuss who they think is going to call plays and what that could look like, expectations for Mac Jones in Year 2, and more. Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Can the Vikings Win the NFC North?
Danny Heifetz is joined by The Ringer’s new NFL writer, Sheil Kapadia, to discuss some of his hottest takes heading into the 2022-23 season. Host: Danny Heifetz Guest: Sheil Kapadia Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Additional Production Supervision: Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
QBs That Have the Most at Stake
From Trey Lance to Matt Ryan, Kevin and Lindsay go through their list of quarterbacks that have the most at stake in the 2022-23 NFL season. Hosts: Kevin Clark and Lindsay Jones Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Will the Bengals Make the Playoffs This Year?
Steven and Danny get together to debate whether the Cincinnati Bengals can repeat their success from last season despite a much harder schedule and an incredibly loaded AFC. Hosts: Steven Ruiz and Danny Heifetz Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Production Supervision: Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Most Exciting Rookie Receivers
Ben Solak and Danny Kelly discuss the rookie receivers who they are most excited to see heading into the 2022 NFL season. Hosts: Ben Solak and Danny Kelly Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Reactions to Kyler Murray’s Extension
Kevin and Danny react to Kyler Murray’s five-year, $230 million contract extension. They analyze what the deal could mean for future QB contracts and how the Cardinals can improve this season. Host: Kevin Clark and Danny Kelly Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Saddest Quarterback Competitions
Danny and Rodger go through the saddest quarterback competitions heading into the start of training camp. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Rodger Sherman Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Most Surprising Teams
Kevin and Ben go through their most surprising teams heading into of the 2022 NFL season. Host: Kevin Clark and Ben Solak Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Top Five Corners and Safeties in the NFL
Kevin, Ben, and Steven go through their top five cornerbacks and safeties ahead of the 2022 NFL season. Host: Kevin Clark, Ben Solak, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Baker Mayfield Trade Reaction, Plus the Top 10 Coaches in the NFL
Kevin, Ben, and Steven begin by reacting to the news of Baker Mayfield being traded to the Carolina Panthers. Then, they list their top 10 coaches going into the 2022-23 NFL season. Host: Kevin Clark, Ben Solak, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Top 10 WRs in the NFL, Plus Justin Jefferson Talks His Top WRs and the Vikings’ New Scheme
Kevin, Ben, and Steven list their top 10 receivers going into the 2022-23 NFL season. They follow by speaking with All-Pro WR Justin Jefferson to discuss his top WRs, his inspiration, and his excitement for the Vikings' new offensive scheme. Host: Kevin Clark, Ben Solak, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Reaction to Washington's Hearing, and Top 5 RBs and TEs
Kevin, Ben, and Nora react to the news of today’s congressional hearing on the Washington Commanders and Roger Goodell’s testimony. They follow up by listing their top five running backs and tight ends going into the 2022-23 season. Host: Kevin Clark, Ben Solak, and Nora Princiotti Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Top 10 GMs in 2022
Kevin, Ben, and Steven create their list of the top 10 general managers in the NFL going into the 2022-23 season. Host: Kevin Clark, Ben Solak, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Cooper Kupp on the Super Bowl, His Contract Extension, and More. Plus, the Latest NFL News.
Kevin, Nora, and Steven are joined by Super Bowl MVP Cooper Kupp to discuss his contract extension, Sean McVay, the Super Bowl, and what he wants to work on during the upcoming season. Then they discuss the latest NFL news. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
A New Deshaun Watson Report, Plus the Broncos Sale and Aaron Donald’s Extension
Kevin, Nora, and Steven open by discussing the New York Times report on the additional Deshaun Watson sexual misconduct lawsuits and his actions throughout the past few years. They break down the Texans' and Browns' involvement, discuss a potential suspension and what this could mean for Watson’s career. They close by analyzing the Broncos being sold to the Walton-Penner group and Aaron Donald’s contract extension. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Research: Julianna Ress and Dan Comer Copyediting: Craig Gaines and Jack McCluskey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Who Will Make the Leap In 2022?
Kevin, Nora, Steven, and Ben go down their list of people and teams that will make a leap for the upcoming season. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, Steven Ruiz, and Ben Solak Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Justin Herbert on the Chargers Offense and the 2022 Season. Plus, an NFL News Roundup.
L.A. Chargers QB Justin Herbert joins the show to talk Brandon Staley, his offseason workouts, deep throws, and the new Chargers defense. Then Kevin, Ben, and Steven discuss the latest offseason news, including updates on Colin Kaepernick and Tua Tagovailoa. Host: Kevin Clark, Steven Ruiz, and Ben Solak Guest: Justin Herbert Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Greg Olsen on the GOAT TE, Russell Wilson, and More. Plus, the Latest Offseason News.
Kevin is joined by former NFL tight end and current Fox Sports analyst Greg Olsen to talk about Russell Wilson, almost being a Patriot, and TEU. Then he is later joined by Nora and Ben to discuss the latest offseason news, including about the Pro Bowl, the Steelers, and the 49ers-Jimmy G. saga. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Ben Solak Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Rebuilding Categories and Absolute Units
Nora, Ben, and Danny break down which teams are off track during their rebuild, which teams are an offseason away, and which teams are ready to compete in the 2022-23 season. They also premiere the Absolute Units segment. Host: Nora Princiotti, Ben Solak, and Danny Heifetz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
NFL Schedule Reactions
Nora, Steven, and Ben discuss the winners and losers of the NFL schedule release, and potential pivot points in the season. They also give out some schedule superlatives. Hosts: Nora Princiotti, Steven Ruiz, and Ben Solak Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Best Fits for Remaining Free Agents
Nora, Steven, and Rodger discuss and pick their best fits for the remaining free agents and conclude the show by giving their spiciest takes heading into the season. Host: Nora Princiotti, Steven Ruiz, and Rodger Sherman Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
D-Hop’s Suspension, NFL Offseason Preview, Plus Alex Smith on Young Quarterbacks
Kevin, Nora, and Steven discuss the latest news in the NFL, including DeAndre Hopkins's suspension and Tyrann Mathieu signing with the Saints. They follow by breaking down the '22 draft and the latest in free agency. To close, they are joined by Alex Smith to discuss how to build around a young quarterback, Tyreek Hill, and the competition in the AFC. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Best Draft Classes Plus Grading the Quarterbacks
Kevin, Kaelen, and Steven discuss Day 3 of the 2022 NFL Draft and debate which teams made the best additions to their rosters. Hosts: Kevin Clark, Kaelen Jones, and Steven Ruiz Producer: Chris Sutton Production Assistance: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Winners and Losers After Day 1 of the NFL Draft
Kevin, Nora, and Steven run through their winners and losers after the first round of the NFL draft. Hosts: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Isaiah Blakely Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Most Important People in the Draft
Kevin, Nora, and Kaelen make their list of the most important people heading into 2022 NFL draft. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Kaelen Jones Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Deebo’s Trade Request and Best Draft Fits
Kevin, Nora, and Steven react to the news of Deebo Samuel’s trade request, Denzel Ward’s extension, and the Carolina Panthers fiasco. The trio later picks the landing spots for the draft prospects for the 2022 NFL draft. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Derek Carr’s Extension and Ultimate War Room Draft
Kevin, Nora, and Kaelen react to the news of Derek Carr’s extension, Baker Mayfield’s interview, and Brady’s potential ownership with the Miami Dolphins. The trio is later joined by Rodger Sherman to pick their ultimate war room for the NFL draft. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Kaelen Jones Guest: Rodger Sherman Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Teams That Are a Pick Away, Plus the Stefon Diggs Extension
Kevin, Nora, and Steven react to the news of the Eagles-Saints trade, Tua stans, and Stefon Diggs’s extension with the Bills. They follow up by discussing teams that can turn into a contender through the draft. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Bruce Arians's Retirement, Lamar’s Extension, and the State of the Patriots
Kevin, Nora, and Kaelen react to the news of Bruce Arians retiring and what it means for Todd Bowles and the Bucs, Lamar Jackson’s extension, and Robert Kraft’s recent comments. Then they are joined by Steven Ruiz to talk about how the Bucs will look under Todd Bowles and their chances in the NFC this year. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Reactions to the Tyreek Hill Trade and Teams That Helped Themselves the Most
Kevin, Nora, and Steven react to the news of Tyreek Hill being traded from the Chiefs to the Dolphins and what that means for both teams. Then they discuss the teams that did and did not help themselves during the free agency period. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Matt Ryan to the Colts and Other QB Dominos to Fall
Kevin, Nora, and Kaelen offer instant analysis into the trade that sends Matt Ryan from the Atlanta Falcons to the Indianapolis Colts (0:56). They also discuss some other quarterback-related topics: Jameis Winston’s and Marcus Mariota’s deals, and Baker Mayfield’s and Jimmy Garoppolo’s unresolved situations. They wrap up by talking about The Athletic’s in-depth story about Urban Meyer’s tenure as the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars (25:12). Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Kaelen Jones Associate Producer: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Instant Reaction to the Deshaun Watson Trade
Kevin, Nora, Ben, and Steven react to the news of Deshaun Watson being traded to the Browns, what this means for Baker Mayfield and the AFC, and how NFL teams have handled Watson over the past week. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, Ben Solak and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Research: Daniel Comer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Instant Reaction to the Davante Adams Trade
Kevin and Kaelen give their instant reactions to news that the Packers have traded Davante Adams to the Raiders. They start by discussing what it means for the Packers offense and their standing in the NFC (6:19). Then they get into how the trade affects the Raiders in the wild AFC West (16:30). Hosts: Kevin Clark and Kaelen Jones Production: Carlos Chiriboga Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Biggest Things in Free Agency So Far
Kevin, Nora, and Steven start by discussing Baker Mayfield’s emotional letter to Browns fans and what it does for the franchise. Then they talk about the biggest things to happen during the free agency period. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Tom Brady Will Return ...
Kevin, Nora, Danny, and Ben huddle to discuss the bombshell news that Tom Brady will return for another season. They speculate about what caused this decision, go over the implications, and break down how the league looks with another year of Brady. Hosts: Kevin Clark, Danny Kelly, Ben Solak, Nora Princiotti Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Instant Reactions to the Russell Wilson Trade and Aaron Rodgers’s Re-signing With the Packers
Kevin, Nora, Benjamin, and Steven recorded two instant reaction podcasts. They start by discussing what the Russell Wilson trade will mean for Denver and Seattle. Then they react to the news that Aaron Rodgers is signing an extension with the Packers and discuss some other news around the NFL (32:02). Hosts: Kevin Clark and Nora Princiotti Guests: Benjamin Solak and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
What We Learned From the Combine
Kevin, Nora, Kaelen, and Steven open up by discussing what they have seen and heard at the NFL combine. Then they talk about Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray, Carson Wentz, and what the offseason could mean for them. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, Steven Ruiz, and Kaelen Jones Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Aaron Rodgers Reaction, Plus Offseason Predictions
Kevin, Nora, and Steven open up by discussing Aaron Rodgers’s cryptic Instagram post and whether he will or will not play next season. They finish by debating the biggest winners in free agency, Tom Brady, QBs in the draft, and other offseason issues. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Offseason Preview and Lessons From the Super Bowl
Kevin and Nora begin the pod by reflecting on their experience at Super Bowl LVI and share their lingering thoughts about the game. Next, they look ahead to the offseason and discuss which NFL teams may adopt the Rams' roster-building strategy to achieve similar success (5:11). They continue by touching on possible moves for Aaron Donald (15:17), the Bengals' offensive line (19:31), Aaron Rodgers (23:33), and other teams around the league (33:29). Finally, they take a look at some coaching situations that need attention (36:05) and quarterbacks that may be poised to break out next season. (40:24) Hosts: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti Producer: Arjuna Ramgopal Production Assistant: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Aaron Donald, Cooper Kupp, and the L.A. Experience
Jason, James, and Ryan begin their final pod of the season together by analyzing the Rams’ win over the Bengals in Super Bowl LVI and detailing their experiences watching the event. They then pivot to Dr. Dre’s amazing halftime show, (11:29) debate the choice for MVP, (23;33) and talk about Aaron Donald retirement buzz. (37:03) They wrap everything up by sharing their early matchup picks for next year’s big game (46:57). Hosts: Jason Goff, James Jones, Ryan Shazier Production Assistance: Chris Sutton Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Super Bowl LVI Recap
Kevin, Nora, and Ben recap how the Los Angeles Rams won the Super Bowl. They pick out who the biggest winners and losers are, discuss what the future looks like for the Rams and Bengals, and more. Hosts: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Benjamin Solak Production Assistant: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
'The Ringer NFL Show' on Radio Row at Super Bowl LVI
Your favorite hosts from 'The Ringer NFL Show' interview NFL stars and luminaries during media week at the Super Bowl. Mike Evans with Kevin Clark and Ben Solak (2:04) Vernon Davis with Nora Princiotti and Kevin Clark (10:08) Matt Ryan with Ben Solak and Steven Ruiz (17:58) Najee Harris with Ryan Shazier and Jason Goff (31:25) Zach Ertz with Ben Solak (53:51) Cam Heyward with Ben Solak and Ryan Shazier (1:05:25) Maxx Crosby with Kevin Clark and Kaelen Jones (1:12:54) Kayvon Thibodeaux with Danny Kelly, Ben Solak and Kevin Clark (1:22:08) D.K. Metcalf with Nora Princiotti and Kevin Clark (1:36:59) Hosts: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, Ben Solak, Steven Ruiz, Jason Goff, Ryan Shazier. Kaelen Jones, Danny Kelly Guests: D.K. Metcalf, Najee Harris, Vernon Davis, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Marshall Faulk, Mike Evans, Matt Ryan, Maxx Crosby, Zach Ertz Production Supervision: Arjuna Rampgopal Production Assistance: Isaiah Blakely and Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices