Renaissance #210 – Jesus Starves (The Crusades part 19)

 

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Cameron Reilly: Welcome back to the Renaissance Times Podcast my name is Cameron Riley. With me in the Cold Chair in Virginia, is block of ice ray Harris.

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Ray Harris: Iced tea. That’s that’s right. That’s right.

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Ray Harris: I like that. It’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you.

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Ray Harris: So.

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Cameron Reilly: Talking about the siege of Antioch. This is Part 2 of the siege of Antioch during the 1st Crusade, late 1,097 beginning of 1,098.

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Cameron Reilly: In our last episode we were talking about how the Crusaders had blockaded Antioch.

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Cameron Reilly: Towards the end of 1,097.

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Cameron Reilly: But they’re running out of supplies. They’re running out of food. It’s starting to get cold.

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Cameron Reilly: They don’t have enough men. They don’t have the siege engines. They need to really take this amazing fortress of Antioch with 400 towers and huge wall.

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Cameron Reilly: Meanwhile Yogi Bear, the governor of.

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Ray Harris: And y’all.

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Cameron Reilly: Doesn’t have enough men to defend. It

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Cameron Reilly: also has to worry about his supply lines. So neither side are really attacking the other side. They’re both waiting for relief forces to arrive

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Cameron Reilly: and just trying to do the best they can to wait the other side out. Whoever gets the relief forces to arrive 1st are going to have an advantage.

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Ray Harris: The exact.

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Cameron Reilly: So that is where we are at.

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Ray Harris: Well again. I think it’s important to realize that the Crusaders they’ve been on a roll. They have just been kicking ass and taking names. They come up to Antioch, and they knew they knew it was going to be difficult. But now they are truly stymied. And you’re right. It’s all about supplies. They’re running low on food. They’re running low on faith, let’s be honest. Some of them are like, you know, it’s gone on our side. I don’t know if he is.

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Ray Harris: he’s a shit teammate. So the point is that they are really starting to struggle, and it’s getting cold, and I don’t know about you, but wearing armor in the cold. That kind of sucks, too. But the point is, it’s become a waiting game, and that you can. You can’t speed up outside events.

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Ray Harris: and their faith starts to weaken.

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Cameron Reilly: When they had 1st arrived outside of Antioch. There were plenty of sheep and cattle in the nearby plains. The granaries of the villages around the area still contained most of the supplies from the year’s harvest.

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Cameron Reilly: Despite the fact that Yogi bear in Antioch had been trying to get as much of that inside the walls as he could, but they had managed to feed well. The Crusaders.

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Ray Harris: To what?

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Cameron Reilly: They had neglected to put away supplies for the winter months.

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Ray Harris: Right.

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Cameron Reilly: Possibly an oversight, possibly thinking it’ll all be done in a week. They’re like George Bush when he was like, you know.

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Cameron Reilly: one and done in and out. 2 weeks mission accomplished, but it drags on. It starts.

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Ray Harris: I’ll jump.

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Cameron Reilly: Drag on.

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Cameron Reilly: Now they had to go foraging over an ever increasing area, which meant they were more likely to get off by the small Turkish sorties that were being sent out of Antioch to cut them down as they were, returned

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Cameron Reilly: humor stragglers coming back from fraudulent parties, you know. They’re hiding. The Turks are hiding in the bushes, jumping

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Cameron Reilly: Yup.

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Ray Harris: yeah, taking what they yeah. So around Christmas time, 1097, the food’s almost gone. The countryside’s bare.

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Ray Harris: And we’re going to say this a couple of times. The princes of the Crusaders. They hold a council, and here’s what they’re going to do. Step one. You get together, and someone gets out the whiteboard. They decide that Bohemian and Robert of Flanders are going to take some troops, and they’re going to go up the Orontes valley towards Hama, another smaller city. They’re going to raid the villages in that direction. Meanwhile Raymond and the Bishop of La Poi, I’m not sure how to say that

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Ray Harris: we’ll conduct the siege because Jeffrey at this point is very ill, so at least they’ve got a plan. We’re going to go try to raid, you know, as God intended us to do. You guys start harassing the walls. And maybe between these 2 things we can actually move the needle a little bit, not the best plan in the world, but it’s something. So Robert and Bohem had sent out set out on December 28.th

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Cameron Reilly: With about 20,000 men.

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Cameron Reilly: And of course Yogi Bear knew immediately about their departure from.

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Ray Harris: Have the fact.

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Cameron Reilly: Word, getting back into his camp. So he waited until they were out of sight, and then, on the 29th attacked across the bridge

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Cameron Reilly: and fell onto the Crusaders, who were camped north of the river.

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Ray Harris: Yes.

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Cameron Reilly: The attack was not expected, but Raymond’s quick thinking saved the situation. He quickly rounded up a group of knights, charged out towards the Turks.

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Ray Harris: Damn right.

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Cameron Reilly: Turned and fled back across the bridge.

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Ray Harris: Yes.

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Cameron Reilly: Hooray! Success.

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Ray Harris: But it gets better except

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Ray Harris: well, except and yet it almost gets better. Remember when they 1st got there, Raymond is like, Okay, who wants to attack. Now who’s with me? And sadly, no one else was raising their arms when they chased this Turkish party back to the gates. They almost get there before the gates were closed. This could be it. This could be the thing that turns the entire battle. Maybe Raymond was right the entire time.

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Ray Harris: however, and I’m not blaming God, I’m not saying God had anything to do with this but one of the one of the nights Horace throws his rider. It’s dark.

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Ray Harris: There’s a lot of confusion. There’s a lot of panic. They don’t know what’s going on. Did the horse throw him? Was he knocked off by an attack, they start to panic, and they retreat, and now they are being chased back by the Turks to their camp. But the good news is, when the Crusaders get back to their camp. They turn, they start to fight. The Turks know that they can’t take them, so they go back to the walled city. But the point is.

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Ray Harris: they almost got inside one of the gates. But it but it doesn’t happen again. It was a close run thing, but this is what they’re doing. They’re literally pricking each other, just taking as many men out of each side as you can, trying to weaken their overall force.

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Cameron Reilly: And when the horse throws the rider and turns back onto the bridge it creates panic and confusion in the Crusaders cavalry. A lot of them end up in the water.

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Ray Harris: Oh, shit.

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Cameron Reilly: And the the

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Cameron Reilly: dead lost horses lost cavalry, so lives were lost on both sides, but especially among the Crusaders.

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Cameron Reilly: Meanwhile Bohemond was riding south with Robert of Flanders.

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Cameron Reilly: totally ignorant that a huge relief force was moving up towards him of Damascus, had left his capital with Yogi Bear’s sons, and a huge army at Hama. The Emir joined them with his forces. Oh.

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Ray Harris: Shit.

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Cameron Reilly: On the 30th of December they learned that the crusading army was close by, and they immediately marched on them and came upon the Crusaders. The next morning, at a village called Albara.

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Cameron Reilly: Now the Crusaders were taken by surprise, and Robert, whose army was a little ahead of Bohemians, was nearly surrounded, but Bohem being the Badass, that he was.

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Ray Harris: Right.

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Cameron Reilly: Quickly reacted, kept the bulk of his troops in reserve.

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Cameron Reilly: waited until the moment that the Muslims thought that they had won, and then attacked from the rear.

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Cameron Reilly: and manages to inflict such heavy losses on the army from Damascus that they retreated and fell back to Hama.

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Cameron Reilly: So it was sort of a win for the Crusaders.

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Ray Harris: Additionally.

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Cameron Reilly: Lost!

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Ray Harris: Right.

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Cameron Reilly: Lot of people.

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Ray Harris: Right. But here’s the thing. So again, Bohemon is a brilliant tactician. He’s using psychology here. He’s like, I’m going to wait. They’re attacking. The Turks are attacking Robert’s men. I’m going to wait to. The enemy thinks that they’ve won. Then I come in and I charge, and I save the day I freak them out.

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Ray Harris: They panic, however, because of the injuries, the deaths that the Crusading army has suffered. They are now not strong enough to keep going. So they sack a village or 2. They don’t get much out of it. They return to camp again. It was a decent plan, but because they’re weakened just enough. They’re no longer an effective fighting force, and when they go back they don’t have much to show for it again. The troops are still starving.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah, and you know, to be fair to Bohem and Robert I mean. Their troops were probably already hungry, tired, cold.

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Ray Harris: Yes.

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Cameron Reilly: In the 1st place, not the best conditions for an army to be in, but so they return

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Cameron Reilly: more or less empty, handed.

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Ray Harris: Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: And then discovered that they’ve lost a lot of the cavalries. Been sort of a

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Cameron Reilly: minor crisis and disaster while they’re away. The army camped inside of Antioch, is expecting them to come back with food. They come back with nothing.

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Ray Harris: So the Christians are starting to.

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Cameron Reilly: Second guess themselves. They’re like Jesus, God, not really.

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Ray Harris: Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: You just take the wheel. Give it back, please. Yeah.

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Ray Harris: Me that fucking wheel?

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Ray Harris: Right? Yeah. Yeah. Who let Jesus drive.

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Cameron Reilly: Can help.

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Ray Harris: Woo.

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Cameron Reilly: Who thought it was that.

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Ray Harris: And while they were gone it wasn’t any better for the guys that stayed behind again on the 29, th when they were attacked. That did not go well, as we said the next day, there’s an earth tremor, and this isn’t just a little. Oh, look! The curtains are shaking, honey! This is felt as far away as Odessa. The other guys fuck what’s his name? The other guy who runs that place now? So this is a

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Ray Harris: there we go. So this is a big thing. And that evening the aurora borealis lights up the sky. I mean, God is sending them signals left and right. It’s like God. Just if I shouldn’t

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Ray Harris: ignore my wife and bang this 18 year old. Just give me a sign, and the earth shakes, and the aurora Aurora boles, lights up the sky, and then the guy goes. Just any sign. God! Just tell me I shouldn’t do this.

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Ray Harris: And then heavy rains come for weeks, and all the while it’s getting colder they’re cold. They’re shivering. They’re hungry, this sucks. And then Stephen of Blois has had it, and he’s like, you know. Maybe God isn’t.

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Ray Harris: He either isn’t all-powerful or He’s not on our side. What do you think.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah, these people being primitive Christians. And I think that’s a redundant term. Just.

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Ray Harris: Christians should.

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Cameron Reilly: Believe in bronze Age mythologies, then, as now, see these things as signs, and the Bishop of Lapoy

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Cameron Reilly: declares that they have to fast for 3 days, and they’re like motherfucker. I haven’t eaten in a week like really like.

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Ray Harris: Gonna put a name on it. Now, okay, yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: What difference does it make? We’ve been fasting for weeks

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Ray Harris: I am an expert faster at this point. Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah.

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Ray Harris: They’re like you. There.

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Cameron Reilly: So.

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Ray Harris: New pants, their belt they had to tighten their belts, you know it’s it’s just. It’s just.

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Cameron Reilly: Darling.

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Cameron Reilly: they’re starting to think that maybe God is not pleased with them, and instead of just turning around and going home, saying, Look, maybe this was the bad idea from the get. Go.

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Ray Harris: Bad juju.

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Cameron Reilly: They’re like, maybe we just need to not eat. Continue not eating for a few days. That’s really what he wants, because.

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Cameron Reilly: you know, I don’t know about you as a loving father, but for me, whenever I’m displeased with Fox, I starve him for a week, because that’s what loving.

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Cameron Reilly: that’s what loving parents do

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Ray Harris: It’s a lesson. It’s a lesson.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah.

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Ray Harris: Yeah, yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: Lock him in a basement, chain him up and starve him for a week, because I think that’s how I show my love. That’s the Christian way of showing my love.

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Ray Harris: Right.

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Cameron Reilly: Extreme torture. I waterboard him, of course.

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Ray Harris: Right? Well, yeah, that’s.

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Cameron Reilly: During that period.

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Ray Harris: Because it’s.

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Cameron Reilly: With the water.

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Ray Harris: Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: The rod ruin the child, or whatever it is.

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Ray Harris: I have a slightly different approach, whereas you starve him to death. What I do for my children is, I charge them

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Ray Harris: for the food. I know you can eat, but but your ass is paying. So charge.

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Cameron Reilly: Here’s the bill, if I have to, if I have to, on up.

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Ray Harris: No, so slowly. Slowly, some of the Armenian monks start sending supplies. Some of the Christians, Armenians, and Syrians

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Ray Harris: scrap just whatever they can get together, and they start to send it to the to the Crusaders, and as they get there the Crusaders are going. Thank

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Ray Harris: thank you. Thank God! Thank Christ! They’re like, up, up, up, not so fast. You are Crusaders. You’ve been sacking towns left and right. You got cash, so we got food. You got cash. Hmm. Maybe we can work something out, so they say, for one donkey load of supplies it will cost you 8. Is that bizance again? This is a decent amount of money. The Christians

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Ray Harris: hate giving up any kind of cash, but they do because they’re starving. The problem is only the wealthy soldiers can afford this. So, as as is normal in human history, the wealthy eat.

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Ray Harris: poor, starve, the horses start dying, and pretty soon they’re only down to 700 horses, but so so other Christians come to help them, but it comes at a price literally.

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Cameron Reilly: Well, we said a few episodes ago about a Byzant. A Byzant was a gold coin used widely across the Byzantine Empire, Byzant, Byzantine Empire. So that’s where the word comes from.

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Cameron Reilly: Weighed roughly 4 and a half grams of nearly pure gold. So

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Cameron Reilly: one Byzant, back in the day the purchasing power was enormous. You could.

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Cameron Reilly: It was a small fortune, a single bazette. You could buy supplies for an army

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Cameron Reilly: with a single bazant or.

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Ray Harris: Do you stay?

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Cameron Reilly: In a family for months.

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Ray Harris: Right.

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Cameron Reilly: So.

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Ray Harris: 8 pizettes.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah.

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Ray Harris: Frolic.

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Cameron Reilly: Converted into

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Cameron Reilly: modern currency. The estimate that I came up with using Chatgpt a few months ago was a single Byzant would be worth somewhere between 10 to 15,000 Us. Dollars a single Byzant.

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Ray Harris: Jesus Christ.

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Cameron Reilly: So these guys are selling a donkey’s worth of food for, let’s say, 100.

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Ray Harris: Rogers.

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Cameron Reilly: Grand. How about do you want it.

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Cameron Reilly: grand for one donkey’s worth of food?

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Ray Harris: Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah, they’re like, Hey.

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Ray Harris: What’s it worth to you.

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Cameron Reilly: Capitalism, bitch, yellow.

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Ray Harris: The way gone, intended, so.

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Cameron Reilly: That’s it. Don’t blame me. Jesus invented capitalism at the point. I don’t think you mentioned this, but one out of 7 men was dying of hunger, not to mention the horses.

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Cameron Reilly: Yes, this is real

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Cameron Reilly: dying at a greater rate, because they were getting none of the food, and then they were eating. The horses, like Napoleon’s troops, had to do in the retreat from Russia in 1812.

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Cameron Reilly: So, and, unlike Napoleon’s troops, these guys didn’t have gunpowder to put on the horse meat to.

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Ray Harris: Hide the taste right fuck

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Cameron Reilly: You know your your heart up when.

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Ray Harris: When you.

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Cameron Reilly: Gunpowder is what you’re using to hide the taste you want to.

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Cameron Reilly: That’s your name.

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Cameron Reilly: It’s not the best of spices.

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Ray Harris: When I bite into a raw or cooked horse leg. The 1st thing I say is, you know what you know, what this could use. This could use some fucking gunpowder. That’s what I’m saying, you know, just to finish off the taste. But no, so they are truly hard up. Men are dying. But again, it’s all for religious reasons. So I like to think they’re going right to heaven. I don’t know I wasn’t there, but it’s bad. It’s bad.

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Cameron Reilly: So they’re sending envoys further and further away, as far away as the Taurus Mountains to try and get some food. But it’s still very, very tough, I think. At this stage there are only about 7 between the disaster, with the attack on December 29th and the horses dying of starvation.

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Cameron Reilly: No, I dish.

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Cameron Reilly: Good night.

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Cameron Reilly: Nightlight, nightlight.

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Cameron Reilly: You stand in front of the enemy and go. Listen. I just want you to close your eyes.

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Ray Harris: Picture.

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Cameron Reilly: Breathe deeply. Picture this.

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Cameron Reilly: I want you to imagine for a moment, if you wish.

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Cameron Reilly: That we’re all riding fearsome mounts.

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Cameron Reilly: that we’re using coconuts? It would be great if you could accommodate us in this fashion right.

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Ray Harris: That’s only fair.

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Cameron Reilly: Genuinely appreciate it.

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Ray Harris: Or even better, if you could just go ahead, hop off your horse, and that’s a fair fight, because because you got a god, and I got a god. It’s a fair fight.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: Now, fortunately, the Bishop of Lapoy had been able to establish contact with the former patriarch of Jerusalem, a guy by the name of Simeon.

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Cameron Reilly: who had retired from Jerusalem when things got a little bit too hairy there, and was now in Cyprus.

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Cameron Reilly: And he was sending them now the Patriarch of Jerusalem. Not a big fan of the Catholic Church. But you know he Christians, you know, enemy of

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Cameron Reilly: my enemy, is my friend. Sort of thing. He’s like, okay, he’s going to send them stuff from Cyprus, all of the food and wine that yeah, he could spare. But even that wasn’t really enough.

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Ray Harris: Wasn’t doing it. Yeah. So he actually sends a report with the Bishop of La Poi back to the West, how the Christians are doing.

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Ray Harris: And yeah, like you said, he’s gathering everything up. He’s letting Europe know what’s going on. But as we showed earlier with the two-year delay, it takes time for war to get there. It takes time for them to do something about it if they’re going to do anything about it, and it takes time to come back. So again, it’s about surviving right now. But still you do what you got to do, but you also have to survive in the moment.

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Cameron Reilly: So people are abandoning the army. They’re like fuck

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Cameron Reilly: the horse that he rode in on.

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Ray Harris: Because I ate it.

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Cameron Reilly: 2 of the people who deserted were Peter the Hermit.

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Ray Harris: Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: The guy who led the People’s Crusade, which got destroyed.

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Ray Harris: Right.

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Cameron Reilly: And then he.

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Ray Harris: Oh!

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Cameron Reilly: Fled back to Constantinople, and now has joined and had joined the Prince’s crusade, you know, second time.

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Cameron Reilly: Second time. Lucky.

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Ray Harris: I think his settling point was, Hey, I’m a good luck, charm. Take me with you. It’s gonna.

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Cameron Reilly: He’s like, I’ve got it. Okay. I fucked up the 1st time. I’ll be the 1st person to admit that.

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Cameron Reilly: but I figured out what I did.

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Ray Harris: Papa.

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Cameron Reilly: I there you go!

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Ray Harris: I’ve got.

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Cameron Reilly: My family all out. Yeah, yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: And he was a accompanied by a guy called William the Carpenter.

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Cameron Reilly: I don’t think we’ve talked about him before, but he was the viscount of a place called Meloum.

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Cameron Reilly: which was in France these days. It’s sort of on the outskirts of Paris. French nobleman,

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Ray Harris: Look, look.

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Cameron Reilly: According to the 12th century, Monk Guibert of Nogent. William was powerful in words, but less so in action. A man who set out to do things too great for him.

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Cameron Reilly: That’s true, right.

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Cameron Reilly: He.

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Cameron Reilly: you know he he had a reputation back home. He was accused of criminal looting of the countryside. Oh, he. When he joined the 1st Crusade, he took from his poor neighbours the little they had

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Cameron Reilly: to provide himself shamefully with provisions for the journey. He took part on the attacks of the Jews and mines. You know he was. He was.

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Ray Harris: Opportunist.

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Cameron Reilly: Yeah, he wasn’t the nicest of Christians.

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Cameron Reilly: So, anyway, he decides, fuck this bullshit I’m out of here.

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Cameron Reilly: and he runs off with Peter the Hermit, and they try and escape. In the middle of the night.

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Ray Harris: But no one quits God again, I think that’s 1 of the commandments. Something like that. So Tanker, Mr. Gentle, and others are sent out to bring them back. They are grabbed up, they are brought back, and I’m going to let you tell the story. But Peter the Hermit, I guess he had a better Pr team, or whatever it’s like, you know, everybody kind of knows him. So we’re going to take it easy on this guy.

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Ray Harris: Not so much the other one. But but we’re going to get Peter a pass. And he became known as Peter the past. But the point is, they got to punish them somehow.

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Cameron Reilly: Hmm!

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Cameron Reilly: Well, Peter the Hermit gets pardoned.

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Cameron Reilly: He’s sort of still along with the Bishop of Lapoy. Who’s the Pope’s representative? Peter is still sort of. He’s the mascot.

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Cameron Reilly: They dressed him up in like a chicken outfit. It was a goose. It was the holy goose that he had on his.

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Ray Harris: There we go! There we go!

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Cameron Reilly: They dressed him up as the goose. He’s sort of like the holy mascot of the Crusade, so they don’t want word to get out that the most faithful of the faithful.

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Ray Harris: Bangs, Peter this and tried to ski

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Ray Harris: slap Peter around. Yeah, you can’t.

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Cameron Reilly: He was wearing the rock hard for Peter. Are you Rock?

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Ray Harris: You can’t touch him if he’s wearing that. I think we all agree on that one.

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Cameron Reilly: He? He couldn’t really.

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Cameron Reilly: He didn’t want to make that known too publicly. But William the carpenter, on the other hand.

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Ray Harris: Fuck him!

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Cameron Reilly: According. Yeah, according to one of the sources, he spent the whole. After he was captured he spent the whole of the night in Bohemian’s tent lying on the ground like a piece of garbage.

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Cameron Reilly: Bohemian

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Cameron Reilly: made him wait all night, and then rebuked him as a wretched disgrace to the whole Frankish army

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Cameron Reilly: mentioned how he had deserted the French army in Spain in 1087.

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Ray Harris: Oh! Oh!

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Cameron Reilly: So he had a. He had a history of.

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Ray Harris: True.

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Cameron Reilly: Other leaders asked Bohemian to spare him.

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Cameron Reilly: and he suffered no further punishment and then deserted the army.

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Cameron Reilly: He promised not to.

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Ray Harris: But he had his fingers behind his back. So I think we all know promise doesn’t count. So currently, it’s January 1098, right in the middle of fucking winter again he promises never to leave again.

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Ray Harris: and then he leaves again. So you know. But again the army is starving. There are other deserters. This just sucks again. The Bishop of La Poi is sending out more requests to the West for reinforcements, and again, it’s just a shit time to be a part of this crusading army.

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Cameron Reilly: Interestingly, when the Bishop of Lapoy is sending requests back to Europe for support, he’s writing them in the name of the Patriarch of Jerusalem.

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Ray Harris: Hmm.

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Cameron Reilly: We would imagine, with his. With his permission.

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Ray Harris: When would that?

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Cameron Reilly: It’s fascinating, because obviously the Bishop of Lapoy, Adamah is part of the the Pope’s brigade. He’s the Pope’s representative.

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Cameron Reilly: The Pope’s a Catholic. Don’t know if anyone I don’t know if you knew that. But

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Cameron Reilly: your brief time as a Catholic, you might have heard about that the Pope is a Catholic, supposedly.

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Ray Harris: I did something something, anyway.

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Cameron Reilly: A lot of Catholics aren’t very happy. I know Catholics who are not happy with the current Pope at all. They’re trump supporting Catholics who think the Pope is a complete tool because he criticizes trump.

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Cameron Reilly: don’t yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: And then the real truce know? Yeah.

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Ray Harris: Closer to God.

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Cameron Reilly: Yay

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Cameron Reilly: and the Patriarch was the Pope of the East. Basically, of course, the Eastern Church schismed from the Western Church. Their rivals. They both consider themselves the leader of Christianity, but he’s appealing on behalf of the Patriarch of Jerusalem, which is an interesting dance to do.

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Ray Harris: Good point.

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Cameron Reilly: And at this point in time the Crusaders, they’re starving and they’re starting to become

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Cameron Reilly: conspiracy theorists. They’re all.

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Ray Harris: Oh, yes, all the conspiracy subreddits.

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Cameron Reilly: They’re watching fox news. There’s some Qanon update.

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Ray Harris: Yeah.

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Cameron Reilly: They’re blaming.

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Ray Harris: 1 million dollars.

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Cameron Reilly: Fauci exactly blaming

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Cameron Reilly: China. They believe that Bill Gates is putting computer chips in their head that 5G cell towers are causing cancer and autism. They’re, you know, they’re starting to lose their damn minds.

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Ray Harris: Well, they’ve got too much time on their hands, I mean an idle army. I think history shows it can be very dangerous to the surrounding area and to itself. And there’s nothing good going on, and they just got time to sit around and

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Ray Harris: make up shit. And that’s exactly what they’re doing.

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Cameron Reilly: And they’re starting to blame the Emperor Alexius back in Constantinople for all of their problems. What happened is early in February.

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Cameron Reilly: so they’ve been here since November. Yeah, late October, early November early February. Nothing’s happened. They’re still just sitting there with their dicks in their hands.

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Ray Harris: Did you.

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Cameron Reilly: The Emperor’s representative, Titychius suddenly leaves and goes back to Constantinople.

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Ray Harris: Hmm.

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Cameron Reilly: Now.

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Ray Harris: Hmm.

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Cameron Reilly: He had a small staff with him that had joined them in Nicaea, mostly guides and engineers, people who knew the lay of the land. He’d been on good terms with the leaders.

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Cameron Reilly: Now, when he gets back to Constantinople, the story he tells the Emperor is that Bohemian

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Cameron Reilly: had called for him one day told him that the

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Cameron Reilly: it was known inside the army that the Turks had troops coming to support them.

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Cameron Reilly: and that the leaders, the other leaders of the Crusader army believed that the Emperor was encouraging the Turks

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Cameron Reilly: because he hated the Crusaders, and he.

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Ray Harris: Right.

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Cameron Reilly: Was talking behind their backs with the Turks plotting to destroy them. That’s why he hadn’t sent them

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Cameron Reilly: supplies. It’