The Outer Sanctum

As we farewell the home and away season, we take a look at the qualifying finals, and discuss the possibility of an August 2022 start for the next AFLW season -- the pros, the cons, and the whatabouts. We also discuss a recent global report which - in news that shocked no one - indicates Australian men have some of the most sexist views in the western world.For an in depth read on the August season debate, read our own Rana Hussain's take on it in the Guardian You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, Kate catches up with discrimination law expert, academic and former footy scout Liam Elphick, to discuss the "Save Women's Sport" bill currently before federal parliament. What does it mean and how would it work if it became law? They consider the implications for trans and intersex athletes and some of the bill's troubling unintended consequences.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We talk about breaking records and breaking systems as we reflect on the final week of the home and away games and IWD.We mentioned:https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/international-womens-day-2022-sarah-perkins-hits-back-at-faceless-online-trolls/news-story/9c84b96836644541082f0d85b33fc89bYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rana catches up with Collingwood AFLM player Brodie Grundy. They chat about life outside footy, the impact of a new coach, what success really looks like and what they have learned from the Do Better report.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It’s been a seismic week in global politics with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. We look at how sportspeople and organisations around the world have responded, and closer to home, reflect on footy’s fraught relationship with the imagery of war. We also ask: how do we inspire women to take up sport? Plus all the AFLW highlights.We mentioned:Why we need to stop using war metaphorsStop the Bombing! Essendon's nickname a crass insult to modern societyUkraine Crisis AppealDonate to NSW SES You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Shelley caught up with Richmond’s Tessa Lavey to chat about cross-coding, being a role model, and the story behind the Tigers’ Indigenous jumper.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As we embrace the AFLW festival of footy, we discuss the latest concussion research, the role of player – and mascot! – unions, and what really drives change. And, as we farewell Red Rooster at the G, we offer an alternative footy menu.We mentioned:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-20/aflw-kirsten-mcleod-gender-concussion-women-sport/100810750https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/21/predict-aflw-flag-winner-if-you-must-just-mind-the-caveats-and-asterisks https://www.womens.afl/news/85864/indigenous-coach-makes-history-with-vic-metro-appointmenthttps://twitter.com/shelleyware/status/1494507849036492803?s=24You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Kate phones Melbourne star Libby Birch to discuss Libby’s recent call for an historic joint collective bargaining agreement for the AFLM and AFLW. Libby also reflects on some of the lessons that first generation AFLW players are teaching the next generation about the history of women’s struggle for equality in sport.We mentioned:https://www.womens.afl/news/84186/birch-come-on-boys-join-the-push-for-a-historic-joint-cbaYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There's no such thing as "perfect conditions" this AFLW season. What are the fixes? There are lots of suggestions out there, we discuss them, and come up with some of our own.We mentioned:https://twitter.com/leesacatto/status/1492667684844027909?s=21https://twitter.com/siekmanwayne/status/1492467442114646021?s=21https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/mark-robinson-aflw-season-is-a-mess-and-problems-are-mounting-for-the-afl/news-story/a5de0d7295f186288cc8bb6b329b7cf0https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/afl-womens-players-grapple-with-injuries-and-flowon-effects-that-reach-far-beyond-footy-field/news-story/27c02b2aa77dcbcb2e34c6ee2063e04bhttps://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/aflw-2022-extreme-covid-protocols-hit-clubs-in-perth-and-all-the-news-ahead-of-round-7/news-story/1c972233bfc84fdf62c107e79f027650https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2022-02-11/roc-nation-super-bowl-2022-halftime-show-nflhttps://adelaideunited.com.au/news/adelaide-united-officially-launches-pride-gameYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Tess and Lucy call Fremantle captain, Hayley Miller, to talk about life on the road, leadership, and how the team are regrouping back in WA. You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The heat is on and there are some familiar faces at the top of the ladder. Leadership is on the agenda again, and we discuss some examples from further afield. And we celebrate 5 years of the AFLW. We mentioned:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/07/five-years-after-the-first-each-aflw-game-marks-march-towards-progresshttps://www.instagram.com/n0meshath/And a follow up to one of the stories we discussed is here:https://www.sundaypost.com/sundaypost/fp/david-goodwillie-pay-off/You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Julia and Rana sat down to discuss Haneen Zreika’s decision to opt out of wearing the Pride jumper. They talked about the complex feelings it stirred up and asked each other questions, as they sought to make sense of the moment. We mentioned:https://overland.org.au/author/fahad-ali/https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6893652816452313088-sA4sYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Barty, big bucks and boycotts. We discuss whether being a member makes you a “good fan”, sportswashing, and the function of nostalgia. And we look ahead to this week’s Fifth Quarter with Rana and Julia. We mentioned:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/31/alfw-pride-round-jumper-debate-provides-litmus-test-for-true-inclusion-and-diversity?CMP=Share_iOSApp_OtherYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ever the confused fan, Rana calls academic and co-founder of Siren Sport, Dr Kasey Symons, to talk about sports fandom. They discuss the uniqueness of AFLW fans, representation of sports fans in pop culture and what it means to be a ‘true’ sports fan.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We discuss the wash up from Pride Round and consider what more there is to do when it comes to themed rounds and inclusion. We also talk about some of the ways in which politics and sport have collided this week, and reflect on whether they are ever separate in the first place?We mentioned https://www.cbc.ca/sports/opinion-shireen-ahmed-france-ban-hijab-1.6325820https://twitter.com/muslimwinsport?s=21https://instagram.com/muslimwomensportnetwork?utm_medium=copy_linkhttps://www.instagram.com/p/CZBDsIrLvir/?utm_medium=copy_linkYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Tess calls Kate to unpack one of the most controversial weeks in the history of tennis, as men’s world number one Novak Djokovic is deported from Australia. They explore why he was ejected, what the decision means for the refugees currently languishing in detention, and some of the uncomfortable possibilities the case raises for athletes’ free speech into the future.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do all siblings require a cup? We discuss the power of sisters, the power of Pride, and life lessons from the AFLW. We mentioned:https://thewest.com.au/sport/aflw/aflw-2022-west-coast-will-be-the-only-club-not-to-wear-a-pride-jumper-for-aflw-pride-round--c-5345924?utm_campaign=share-icons&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&tid=1642418777369You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Kate phones AFL expert commentator Chyloe Kurdas to unpack round one. Chyloe also reflects on a range of off-field issues, including the use of skin fold tests and how an emphasis on players’ weight can impact their mental health, and how an influx of women commentators are changing the way these and other issues are analysed, for the better.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Cruel SummerRound one is done and we celebrate the highs, but sadly there were some lows. We discuss the spate of injuries, the timing of the season, and the skills we saw on display.We mentioned:https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/the-w-with-sharni-and-sam/episode-two-erin-phillips/13700826https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/absolutely-devastated-for-izzy-third-acl-tear-confirmed-for-dogs-star-huntington-20220110-p59n1d.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/10/aflw-returns-with-distinctly-higher-quality-of-play-on-showYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Emma phones Western Bulldogs VFLW head coach, Kirby Bentley, to catch up on the excitement around her recent appointment. Hear about the impact Covid is having in clubland in this fly on the wall phone call. You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Footy’s back and so are we! On the eve of Season 6, we discuss the challenges presented by the pandemic, practice match results and coaching. And we’re joined by Nicole Livingstone, General Manager, Women’s Football at the AFL. We mentioned:https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/aflw-2022-league-backs-players-to-mitigate-covid-risk-in-order-to-avoid-another-interrupted-season/news-story/1c4b6564f0ef5ed3a8b994807d24745ahttps://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/part-time-players-full-time-responsibility-covid-19-is-stretching-aflw-20220103-p59lih.htmlYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In our final pod of the year we offer up some non-denominational gifts, and an interview with Zoe Daniel - journalist, foreign correspondent, political candidate and footy brat. It's a romp.We mentioned:https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781250316776/https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781760987411/https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habitshttps://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/other-books/28-Brandon-Jack-9781760876777https://www.hachette.com.au/aja-barber/consumed-the-need-for-collective-change-colonialism-climate-change-and-consumerismhttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/534777/women-in-sports-by-rachel-ignotofsky/https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/the-end-of-the-world-is-bigger-than-loveYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Rana and Nicole are joined by author and former AFL footballer, Brandon Jack, to discuss his memoir, 28, a candid exploration of the pressures of pursuing a career in elite footy. Brandon talks openly about notions of success and failure, and explores the complexities of masculinity, sexuality, and addiction in professional footy, as well as the role of creativity in his life.We mentioned:https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/books/other-books/28-Brandon-Jack-9781760876777You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Kate is joined by the President of the Richmond Football Club, Peggy O'Neal AO, fresh from being named as Melburnian of the Year. Peggy was recognised for promoting women in leadership, and for her work to secure stable housing for women and children. She tells us about these dual passions, and looks ahead to her final year at the helm of the Tigers.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Alicia is joined by the comedic sporty legend HG Nelson talking about his book, The Fairytale: A Real and Imagined History of Australian Sport. HG takes us through his love of all things sport and some very strange fairytale highlights. (Please note, the chat includes a swear and what we think are some howling dogs.)We mentioned:https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781760985271/You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Lucy is joined by GWS Giant, Nicola Barr, to discuss the ways she and other athletes are lending their voices to the calls for climate action.We discussed:https://www.aflp4ca.org.au/https://www.thecooldown.com.au/You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Shaun Burgoyne is a legend of the game, a proud Kokatha-Warai man who is a leader on and off the field. He joined Shelley and Kate this week to reflect on his career and the themes of his new book: football, family and respect. We mentioned:https://www.harpercollins.com.au/9781460707715/silk/You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“I’m Not A Runner” is a documentary four years in the making. It follows the journey of a group of novice runners who train for and run the 2018 New York Marathon. They are motivated and lead by an incredible woman, Anna Liptak. Emma and Lucy were delighted to chat with Anna this week, about her journey and this inspiring and powerful film.You can stream the film here:https://vimeo.com/ondemand/imnotarunnerWe mentioned:https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/broad-radio#/You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Julia sits down with Chloe Dalton. Chloe is a multi-sport athlete, an Olympic gold medallist with Australia’s Rugby 7s team, an accomplished basketballer, and a supremely talented footballer. She is also the founder of The Female Athlete Project. We hear from Chloe about her drive, resilience and excitement about joining her new AFLW team, GWS Giants.We mentioned:https://www.thefemaleathleteproject.com/You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are inclusive organisations and lucrative brands mutually exclusive? Can a 'brand' be an agent of change for good? Is 'brand' a dirty word when it comes to inclusion? In this week's Fifth Quarter, Rana sits down with Brand Strategist, futurist and advocate, Keeva Stratton (Quip Brands) to talk about the power of sport, inclusion and getting 'brand' right. You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Straight from a Premiership win, Hester Brown (Significant Others Podcast) and Ben Brown (Melbourne FC) sit down with Rana and Nicole to talk about the Grand Final, changing clubs and footy culture.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

An Auld AcquaintanceThere’s a grand old new flag on the block. We rounded up (nearly) the whole Sanctum to celebrate the Premiership and the season that was. You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On the eve of the Grand Final, Emma caught up with a favourite son of the West, Bob Murphy. They discussed his imminent move to WA, footy’s changing culture, and what he wanted to be when he grew up. You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

One Day In SeptemberIt’s Grand Final week and we’re trying to feel the feels. We talk about redemption, history and class. And we give you our premiership predictions, Sanctum style. We mentioned:https://viewer.mapme.com/3c6965be-0119-4e7b-922d-14d54416c7c3?fbclid=IwAR34VkNTsQDZQOw2c5-F4NaQK9hgwCBxi8Ex1VJYH21NhbE493qgdQ1fmf8https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-18/suggests-afl-pioneer-tom-wills-participated-indigenous-massacres/100463708https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-19/experts-add-weight-to-discovery-tom-wills-indigenous-massacre/100469428https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-19/cricket-australia-afl-respond-to-tom-wills-allegations/100473956https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/decolonizing-methodologies-9781786998132/https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-20/how-to-watch-2021-afl-grand-final-live-stream/100475802You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Shelley caught up with pioneering football coach, Peta Searle. Peta reflects on the rich history of women's football, coaching, and leaving St Kilda. And while she is moving on, it's clear that she still has some unfinished business.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A Grand Final is a fairytale but are we on the same page? We relive the Preliminary Finals, look forward to the Brownlow, and discuss footy as a double edged-sword. We mentioned:https://meanjin.com.au/blog/my-heart-beats-true/https://play.acast.com/s/sentimentalgarbage/introducing-sentimentalinthecity-withdollyaldertonYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, Kate and Nicole catch up with Kurt Fearnley. An extraordinary athlete, now retired from sport, he’s a champion for disability rights. They discuss the global Paralympic family’s unique bond, the international mission to save 50 Afghan athletes and their families, the importance of community for people living with disabilities, and the superstition that was the key to Kurt’s sporting success.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Return of Goody Proctor Finals footy gave us swings and roundabouts and didn’t we love it! We discuss leadership, pay, protest and home. And we have some laughs along the way. We discussed:https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/republicans-us-texas-anti-abortion-law/13530158https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/afghanistan-rescue-mission-australia-steps-up/id898138253?i=1000533389383https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-whispers-rumours-2021-crazy-money-free-agents-longterm-contracts-analysis-luke-parker-first-crack/news-story/74ecaccc23ed6f875abd29b2e4e5d3edhttps://www.workplay.com.au/https://twitter.com/1170sen/status/1433701546802429952?s=20https://www.womenonside.com.au/post/afghan-football-support-initiativehttps://asf.org.au/projects/women-onside-limited/afghan-football-support-network/You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Kate and Rana catch up with Francis Awaritefe. A former Socceroo, Francis is now a human rights lawyer and Chair of Professional Footballers Australia. They discuss his anti-racism work, the Matildas’ fight for equal pay, challenging the structures of whiteness, and the problem with “inclusion”.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

They Were On A BreakSpring is here and so are finals. While one team will have to play without a key player, is another up against a curse? We ask what we are willing to accept in a post-COVID world, and what is the best way to bring about change. We mentioned: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/lockerroom/silver-ferns-want-more-mums?fbclid=IwAR2GntCfY-bUUPmH89yCMbK4y2LZq7CR1l6oDxJ6fQ_Si1_01lJBO4TGbWwhttps://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19406940.2021.1955727?journalCode=risp20https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250223210https://footyology.com.au/its-the-boys-clubs-world-were-just-living-in-it/https://www.thecooldown.com.au/https://www.smh.com.au/sport/buddy-and-friends-urge-australia-to-boot-up-climate-action-20210830-p58n81.htmlYou can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Nicole and Lucy sit down with investigative journalist, Michael Warner, to discuss his new book, The Boys Club: Power, Politics, and the AFL, which lifts the lid on the stories and scandals that have plagued the AFL.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Time or The MonocleWe celebrate the induction of Debbie Lee into the Australian Football Hall of Fame, the evacuation of a group of Afghan athletes, and some welcome Tassie news. And we ask what do you do when you don’t agree with your club president? “Googling with Felicity” is back and we applaud some well-known Australians who are setting culture and a place at the table for some awesome new ‘skivvies’. We discussed:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/afghanistan-female-athletes-find-refuge-in-australia/100398388?fbclid=IwAR0ND3XNoJjXm1iVw4AUfkH_85okFLJ9oUwCTv1UwkgfGUPIy9DeQXvEitkhttps://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/sport-the-taliban-and-the-women-of-afghanistan/id898138253?i=1000532611941You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Eddie Betts has meant so much to all of us. On the eve of his 350th and final game he sat down with Shelley Ware to share some of his highs and lows, and lessons for all of us. We will miss what he brings to the game, but we haven’t heard the last of Eddie Betts.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Symbolically, Truly, DeeplyThe AFLW is becoming whole, will the AFL expand to Tasmania too? We farewell a great and discuss when symbols matter. And we share some secrets of the group chat.We mentioned:https://www.wheelercentre.com/news/match-report-for-ahead-of-the-game-sport-storytelling-and-symbolism You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the the inaugural episode of the Fifth Quarter. We're thrilled that our first guest is Lisa Alexander AM; the former coach of the Australian netball team, a freedom fighter for equality in sport, and a Hawks fan. Emma caught up with Lisa to discuss coaching, equality in sport and the announcement of the AFLW expansion.You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Two Scaramuccis and a Flag Walk We’re back and ready to discuss the big issues of the week. What is the answer to the lack of female senior coaches in the AFLW and what do we think about the changes to the schedule? We reflect, once again, on racism in football and discuss ways forward. And we relive our favourite moments of the Tokyo Olympics. We mentioned:How To Be An Antiracist by Ibram X Kendi Other book suggestions:Why We Kneel How We Rise by Michael HoldingForty Million Dollar Slaves: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete by William C. Rhoden You can follow The Outer Sanctum on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Email us at [email protected] The Outer Sanctum is recorded on the lands of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation. We acknowledge the Traditional Owners and Custodians of the lands on which we work, live, learn and play, and pay our respects to Indigenous Elders past and present. We recognise that sovereignty has never been ceded – that this always was and always will be Aboriginal land. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Changes are coming to the AFLW season for 2022 so do we need to prepare ourselves for Christmas Eve footy? Women struggle to grab top jobs in sport and according to Leigh Russell, former CEO of Swimming Australia, it has nothing to do with a lack of educa Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Social media platforms have made welcome changes to protect people from abuse, we talk to Tanya Hosch about the role the AFL has played in bringing this about. And a new report says visibility is the key to growing women's sport. Hester Brown, gender advo Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The 2021 AFLW season was bigger and better than anyone could have hoped for and we rejoice with Brisbane's Nat Grider. Brianna Davey and Kiara Bowers tell us they couldn't be more delighted to share this years top award and Rising Star winner Tyla Hanks Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There's only one Grand Final a year and this is it. AFL GM of Women's Footy Nicole Livingstone reflects on a great season and says next year will be even better. Brisbane's Belle Dawes says her team is a tight unit and they're ready to roar while Adelaide Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.