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The Numbers Game

Nick Reilly, Jason Robinson · THE NUMBERS GAME PODCAST PTY LTD

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Show overview

The Numbers Game has been publishing since 2021, and across the 5 years since has built a catalogue of 276 episodes. That works out to roughly 160 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a weekly cadence.

Episodes typically run twenty to thirty-five minutes — most land between 26 min and 42 min — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. It is catalogued as a EN-language Business show.

The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed 4 days ago, with 14 episodes already out so far this year. The busiest year was 2024, with 67 episodes published. Published by THE NUMBERS GAME PODCAST PTY LTD.

Episodes
276
Running
2021–2026 · 5y
Median length
30 min
Cadence
Weekly

From the publisher

The Numbers Game — It’s finance, investment and business but not as you know it. Each week Jason Robinson (CPA Accountant), Nick Reilly (Planner) come together to bring you strategy and advice around the importance of knowing your numbers in life and business. Numbers really do tell a story so let us help you make it a good one.

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Petrol vs Electric Cars: How Much You Actually Save in 2026

May 10, 202623 min

Six Years of Zero Growth, $786B Spent | Australia's Productivity Crisis

May 3, 202626 min

Are You on the ATO's Radar? | The Biggest Audit Triggers in 2026

Apr 26, 202630 min

$5.4 Trillion Is Changing Hands | Is Your Family Ready for the Tax Bill?

Apr 19, 202625 min

Leaving Australia for Tax Purposes? The ATO Already Knows Your Plan

Apr 12, 202623 min

He Did Everything Right and Still Lost $70K | The First Home Buyer Trap

Apr 5, 202624 min

Ep 270AI Agents Are Here and Your Business Needs a Plan

AI agents are no longer just a buzzword. They're already automating real tasks in businesses and the speed of change is only accelerating. We share firsthand examples of how AI is boosting productivity, replacing manual processes, and why having a deliberate AI strategy is no longer optional for business owners. On this episode, we discuss: (00:00) Intro (00:24) The Automation Course That Was Obsolete in Five Months (02:21) What Is an AI Agent and Why Does It Matter (03:03) Why AI Agents Are the Next Wave After Outsourcing (05:17) Building a Deliberate AI Strategy With a Set Budget (07:37) Why Most Business Owners Still Haven't Started With AI (09:19) How AI Replaced Two Offshore Roles Processing 1,000 Emails a Day (10:00) The Tool That Saves Brokers Three Hours Per Loan (12:15) Automating Financial Statements for 500 Business Clients (14:40) Why Teams Are Switching From ChatGPT to Claude (15:23) The Security Risks of Running AI Agents on Your Devices (17:45) When AI Deleted Half a Meta Executive's Inbox (20:19) Controlling the Controllables in an AI-Driven World (22:52) Why AI Is the Biggest Shift Since Social Media Check out the free resources from Inovayt here. Send us an email: [email protected] The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt. Hosts:Nick ReillyJason Robinson This podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 29, 202625 min

Ep 269Why Income Alone Doesn't Build Wealth

Do you actually need a high income to build wealth? We see the same problem at every income level. You earn more, spend more, and still feel stuck. In this episode, we walk through six common mistakes that hold people back, from lifestyle creep and no clear plan, to how you use debt and think about building assets. It’s a clearer look at why income alone doesn’t lead to wealth, and what actually does. On this episode, we discuss: (00:00) Intro (00:30) Do You Need A High Income To Build Wealth (01:00) Why High Income Earners Still Live Paycheck To Paycheck (02:10) What Wealth Means, Assets, Freedom And Income (05:27) Lifestyle Inflation, Cars, Homes And Private School Fees (07:28) Why No Plan And Bad Debt Stop You Building Wealth (10:19) From Spending To Asset Accumulation (13:49) Getting Strategy, Structure And Tax Right Early (16:29) Growth Vs Income Assets And Why It Matters (20:07) Using Your Business To Build Wealth (21:56) Using Home Equity And Debt Recycling To Invest (24:55) Overexposure, Cash Flow Risk And Forced Asset Sales (26:00) Protecting Wealth With Insurance And Risk Planning (28:33) Turning Assets Into Usable Wealth And Exit Planning Check out the free resources from Inovayt here. Send us an email: [email protected] The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt. Hosts:Nick ReillyJason Robinson This podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 22, 202632 min

Ep 268Your Beer Is Taxed More Than Our Gas Exports | We Did the Numbers on What Could Have Been

Australians pay more in beer tax than what the government collects from companies exporting our gas. Senator David Pocock has been calling it out in Parliament, it's doing the rounds, and it's got Jase fired up. He's done the numbers on the petroleum resources rent tax, looked at how Norway faced the same situation with their oil boom and took a very different approach, and what a 10% levy on Australia's resource exports over the last 20 years could have built. On this episode, we discuss: 00:00) Intro (00:17) Australia's Beer Tax vs Gas Export Tax (00:40) David Pocock's Beer Tax vs PRRT Video in Parliament (01:47) $2.7 Billion in Beer Excise vs $1.5 Billion from Gas Exports (03:00) How Much Tax Do Teachers, Truck Drivers, and Emergency Workers Pay (04:16) Australia's $1 Trillion Government Debt (04:43) Australia Pays $67 Million a Day in Interest (06:21) Where Australia's Tax Revenue Actually Comes From (07:13) Norway's Oil Tax and the $2.5 Trillion Sovereign Fund (08:49) $460,000 Invested Per Norwegian Citizen (10:46) What a 10% Australian Resource Export Levy Could Have Built (13:54) The Prime Minister's Response on the PRRT (15:46) Career Politicians and Short-Term Thinking (17:32) Paying Politicians More to Attract Better Leaders David Pocock's Senate question on beer tax vs gas tax: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UZln5YCghKo Check out the free resources from Inovayt here. Send us an email: [email protected] The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt. Hosts:Nick ReillyJason Robinson This podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 15, 202620 min

Ep 26710 Lessons from an F1 Boss. Do Any Actually Apply to Small Business?

You see it all the time. Mega successful people sharing their business advice online. But does any of it actually stack up when you're running a small business day to day? Today we're taking 10 business lessons from the new Audi F1 team boss Jonathan Wheatley and pressure testing them against the reality of small business life to see what actually resonates and what's unrelatable. On this episode, we discuss: (00:00) Intro (01:05) Ten Business Lessons from the New Audi F1 Team Boss (02:20) Invest Properly from the Start as a Small Business (05:06) Stop Keeping Up with the Joneses When Starting Out (06:00) Why Playing the Long Game Pays Off in Business (09:18) Why Every Small Business Needs a Three to Five Year Plan (10:35) How to Blend Experience with New Talent When Hiring (13:45) What Leading by Example Really Means in Small Business (16:55) Define Roles Clearly and Give Your Team Autonomy (19:36) Build a Strong Identity and Brand at Any Size (20:49) The Pricing Power of Having a Strong Brand (21:50) How Budget Constraints Actually Force Innovation (24:16) Leverage Data but Trust People to Make Decisions (26:39) Combine Proven Performers with Rising Stars Episode Resources: The AFR article we reference in this episode:https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/10-tips-to-overtake-the-competition-from-the-head-of-f1-s-newest-team-20260129-p5ny0x Check out the free resources from Inovayt here. Send us an email: [email protected] The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt. Hosts:Nick ReillyJason Robinson This podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 8, 202631 min

Ep 266Are Family Trusts Still Worth It In 2026?

Family Trusts can be a seriously powerful structure for income distribution and asset protection, but they only work well when you’re across the rules and the deadlines. We talk through how trust distributions actually work, what needs to be documented before 30 June, and what changes in ATO reporting mean now that trust distributions are showing on pre-fill reports. If you’ve got a family trust or you’re thinking about setting one up, this is the stuff you want to be across so it does what it’s meant to do. On this episode, we discuss: (00:00) Intro (00:19) Family Trusts: Powerful Structure Or Problematic? (01:14) How Income Splitting Works In A Family Trust (02:27) Asset Protection And Why Sole Traders Can Be Exposed (04:00) The 30 June Deadline For Trust Distribution Minutes (06:39) The Tax Strategy Of Distributing To Adult Children (07:22) Trust Distributions Will Show On ATO Pre Fill Reports (10:14) Section 100A: The Rules On Reimbursement Agreements (13:04) The Risks Of Distributing Trust Income To Pensioners (14:20) Buying Property In A Family Trust (16:08) Why Banks Are Tightening Family Trust Lending Right Now (20:07) The Cost Of Moving Company Shares Into A Trust Later (23:44) The Family Trust Compliance Checklist For 2026 Check out the free resources from Inovayt here. Send us an email: [email protected] The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt. Hosts:Nick ReillyJason Robinson This podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 1, 202625 min

Ep 265SMSF Property Strategy: Smart Move or Expensive Mistake?

There’s a lot of talk about buying property through a Self-Managed Super Fund at the moment, but the difference between a smart strategy and an expensive mistake is knowing the rules and the real numbers. Today we cover what lending actually looks like, what it costs to set up and run, and the compliance traps that catch people out. On this episode, we discuss: (00:00) Intro (00:24) Why Everyone Is Talking About Self-Managed Super Funds (01:37) The Rise Of Property Investment In SMSF's (05:14) Can You Renovate Property In A Self-Managed Super Fund? (06:08) How Much Deposit Do You Need To Buy Property With Self-Managed Super Fund? (09:44) How Business Owners Can Buy Commercial Property With A SMSF (12:30) Paying Zero Capital Gains Tax On Property In Retirement (14:24) How Much Does It Cost To Set Up A Self-Managed Super Fund (17:05) The Risk Of Losing Insurance When Switching Super Funds (20:28) Why You Cannot Develop Or Live In Self-Managed Super Fund Property (24:58) Annual Accounting And Audit Fees For A Self-Managed Super Fund Check out the free resources from Inovayt here. Send us an email: [email protected] The Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt. Hosts:Nick ReillyJason Robinson This podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 22, 202629 min

Ep 264The 3 Numbers Every Business Owner Must Track

A business can be busy, growing revenue, and still be going backwards. Today we share a framework we use to judge business health properly, covering cash flow, profit margins, and the personal wealth piece most owners ignore. It’s a clearer way to tell what’s working, what’s not, and what matters next.On this episode, we discuss:00:00) Intro(02:34) Three Key Numbers Every Business Owner Must Watch(04:03) Revenue Is Vanity, Profit Is Sanity: The Cash Is King Rule(06:07) Profit vs Cash Flow: Understanding Dividend Payouts(08:23) The Power Of Recurring Revenue And Retainer Models(10:15) Data-Driven Sales: Using Lead Conversion To Predict Revenue(16:42) Decoding Margins: Gross Profit vs Net Profit Margins(19:45) Benchmarking Your Business: How Do You Compare To Competitors?(23:47) When To Increase Your Fees Without Losing Customers(28:35) Personal Wealth Strategy: Building Assets Outside Your BusinessCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 15, 202638 min

Ep 263Avoid Burnout in 2026: A Simple Plan to Stay Consistent

Most people start the year fired up, then fall back into the same yearly pattern and end up on the fast track to burnout by December. So how do you break that cycle and stay consistent all year? It’s our first episode back for 2026, and Nick runs through the patterns he’s noticed in himself and the system he’s putting in place this year to keep energy and momentum steady, from quarterly goals and daily priorities to saying no more often and building in proper resets before the wheels fall off.On this episode, we discuss:(00:00) Intro(01:41) Why New Year Motivation Fades So Fast(06:14) How To Build Sustainable Energy All Year(08:36) The Self Reflection Step Most People Skip(10:12) The Habits That Cause Burnout(11:12) The Daily Task List System For Focus(13:34) Quarterly Goals For Consistency And Momentum(14:59) Tony Robbins Take On Motivation And Energy(15:07) Why Helping Others Refills Your Energy(16:39) When Ice Baths Stop Feeling Like A Reset(18:18) Blood Work After 40 And Why People Put It Off(19:10) Planning Breaks Before You Burn OutCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 8, 202629 min

Ep 2622026 Predictions And Marty’s Final Episode

We’re back with our yearly Predictions Episode and we’re also farewelling our mate Marty as he wraps up his time on the show. We look back on our 2025 predictions to see who was on the money and who was way off, then lock in our calls for 2026. From interest rates and modular homes to AI, robots in business and the payday super nightmare, there’s plenty on the table for next year.On this episode, we discuss:(00:00) Our Yearly Predictions Episode(01:00) Nick’s 2025 Prediction Scorecard(03:49) Jase’s 2025 Prediction Scorecard(08:06) Marty’s 2025 Prediction Scorecard(10:34) Nick’s 2026 Predictions: Modular Homes, Market Dip, Rate Hike, Geopolitics(15:56) Marty’s 2026 Predictions: Rate Rise, Robots, AI And Jobs(26:12) Jase’s 2026 Predictions: Payday Super Nightmare, AI Bookkeeping, Bombers(37:06) Marty’s Farewell And What’s NextCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonMartin VidakovicThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Dec 14, 202542 min

Ep 261Marty’s 5 Biggest Lessons Before He Finishes Up on the Show

Welcome to episode $$ of The Numbers Game. On today's show On this episode, we discuss:(00:00) Intro(00:39) Why Marty’s Leaving The Show(02:26) Lesson 1: Know Yourself And Have Courage(05:14) Leaving “Safe” Jobs To Follow Meaningful Work(12:59) Lesson 2: Doing Simple Things That Work(16:02) How Complexity, Compliance And Tech Can Kill Progress(20:59) Lesson 3: You Are Your Own SEO(25:03) Why Human Relationships Beat Fancy Tech Stacks(32:08) Lesson 4: Reverse Engineering Your Business Goals(36:24) Building A Business As A Valuable Asset, Not Just An Income(39:20) Lesson 5: Finding Your Edge And Playing To It(44:46) Compounding Small Advantages Into Big Long-Term Results(47:25) Marty’s Favourite Numbers Game MomentCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonMartin VidakovicThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD.(00:00) Intro Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Dec 7, 202552 min

Ep 260Why Young Aussies Are Buying “Boring” Businesses Instead of Property

More young Australians are choosing to buy “boring” small businesses instead of investing in property. In this episode we look at a young couple who bought a 29-year-old fabrication business and turned it into a highly profitable asset, and we break down how profit, valuation multiples, succession gaps and efficiency improvements can create serious wealth for the right buyer.On this episode, we discuss:(00:00) Intro(01:07) Why Young Australians Are Buying Businesses Instead Of Property(01:25) The Rise Of “Boring Businesses” And Why They’re So Profitable(03:05) How A $2.5M Fabrication Business Generates $500K Profit(06:44) Baby Boomers Retiring & The Small Business Opportunity(08:34) Small Business vs Salary Jobs: Which Builds Wealth Faster?(10:18) How Small Business Valuations & Multiples Actually Work(13:44) Using AI & Automation To Improve Old-School Businesses(14:28) How A $1.5M Business Becomes A $5M Asset(21:31) How To Find, Assess & Fund A Small Business In AustraliaCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonMartin VidakovicThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Nov 30, 202525 min

Ep 259Singapore vs Australia: Which Tax System Actually Works?

Today we look at why Singapore’s tax system delivers stronger incentives for business and workers, from 17% company tax to lower personal tax rates and no capital gains. We compare the cost-of-living trade-offs, how innovation is supported, and what Australia could learn from a model that rewards progress instead of punishing it.On this episode, we discuss:(00:00) Singapore vs Australia(00:50) What Singapore Gets Right On Tax And Incentives(02:19) Singapore’s Startup Tax Exemption Scheme Explained(04:01) How Early Tax Breaks Help Small Business Survive(05:36) Singapore’s Personal Tax Brackets vs Australia(09:25) Cost Of Living: Housing, Cars And Transport In Singapore(11:49) How Singapore Supports Innovation And Startups(12:27) Singapore Property Rules(14:17) Why Cars Are So Expensive Under Singapore’s COE System(19:20) Social Harmony Policies And Why Crime Is Low(28:00) How To Structure A Business In Singapore Legally(30:05) What Australia Could Learn From Singapore’s ApproachCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonMartin VidakovicThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Nov 23, 202532 min

Ep 258Why Your Inheritance Isn’t Safe Without a Valid Will

What really happens when you don’t have a proper will in place? From state trustees taking control to long probate delays, contested estates and outdated super nominations, we cover the risks that can leave families exposed. If you want your wealth to end up where you intend, this episode will give you the clarity you need.On this episode, we discuss:(00:00) Intro(00:43) Would You Trust The Government With Your Inheritance?(01:23) Why Wills Matter More Now Than Ever(01:43) The Rise Of Contested Wills And Probate Cases(03:47) What Happens If You Have No Will: State Trustees Step In(04:08) Nick’s Personal Story: State Trustees Controlling His Grandparents’ Estate(06:41) The Tim Brigden Case: 3 Years Fighting Public Trustees(08:23) Why Online Will Kits Cause Problems(15:09) Crypto & Digital Assets: Lost Forever Without Access(17:26) How To Talk To Your Parents About Their Wills(18:11) Estate Planning Lawyers vs General SolicitorsCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonMartin VidakovicThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Nov 16, 202520 min

Ep 257Australia’s Migration Numbers Explained: The Winners, Losers and Myths

You may have seen a post on social media claiming 142,000 millionaires are leaving Australia. So today we look at what the migration report actually says, who’s really leaving, and how many wealthy people are moving here instead. We talk about migration, housing, cost of living, safety, and why some Aussies are heading to Dubai and Singapore. A clear look at whether migration is helping or hurting Australia’s future.On this episode, we discuss:(00:00) Intro: Debunking The Viral Millionaires Leaving Australia Post(02:31) What The Henley Migration Report Actually Says(05:40) Top Destinations For Millionaires And Why UAE, USA And Singapore Win(06:54) Push Vs Pull Factors: Why Wealthy People Move Countries(09:30) Australia’s Migration Numbers: Arrivals, Departures And Net Gain(10:07) Skilled Visas, Critical Job Shortages And Where Migrants Settle(11:34) Housing, Infrastructure And Whether Migrants Can Really Flourish Here(18:07) Why Some Aussies Are Moving To Dubai, The UAE And Bali For Tax And Lifestyle(21:35) Are Migrants Really A Drain On The System? Welfare And Medicare Myth-Busting(23:01) What Singapore Gets Right About Law, Order And Assimilation(23:55) Can Australia Compete As A Global Business And Tax Hub?Resources for this episode:Forbes Australia — Countries gaining and losing the most millionaires in 2025Henley & Partners — Private Wealth Migration Report 2025Henley — Australia’s Abiding Allure (2024)ABS — Overseas Migration 2023–24Home Affairs — Migration Program 2023–24 Report (PDF)Home Affairs — Permanent Migration Stats 2023–24 (PDF)CGCG — Top occupations granted visasCheck out the free resources from Inovayt here.Send us an email: [email protected] Numbers Game is brought to you by Future Advisory & Inovayt.Hosts:Nick ReillyJason RobinsonMartin VidakovicThis podcast is produced by VIDPOD. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Nov 9, 202530 min
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