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Originally Aired: January 6, 2022 With time comes perspective and it is clear now that January 6th was not an isolated event. In fact, there are real dangers in perceiving it as one, dangers that could play to the interests of the coup plotters and against the long-term interests of U.S. democracy. We seek to reframe the events of that day and where they fit in the bigger picture with Yale University historian and noted author Joanne Freeman and University of Michigan Law School professor and former U.S. attorney Barb McQuade. We promise, it's not like any discussion January 6th you've heard before...and it's one you need to hear. Join us. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Congress is in session but the new year hasn't begun until we get some politics, law, and policy predictions from DSR. David speaks with EJ Dionne of the Washington Post and Barb McQuade of the University of Michigan about what we can expect over the coming month. Will we get Speaker of the House in 2023? Will Trump get indicted? What hope can we have for Washington? Find out the answers to these questions and more during this thoughtful discussion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the second episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's forthcoming bookAmerican Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features Alexander Vindman, former Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council. David and Alex discuss the character necessary to stand up for Democracy, how Alex did everything by the book, and the importance of supporting Ukraine. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As China continues to gain economic and military power, how are they trying to build up their soft power? That is the core question at the heart of Josh Kurlantzick's new book "Beijing's Global Media Offensive: China's Uneven Campaign to Influence Asia and the World". David Rothkopf talks with Josh about this and how China is working to leverage that soft power. How is what China doing different than other countries? How has China utilized social media to advance their interests? Is China getting more sophisticated in its strategy around soft power? Find out during this fascinating conversation. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For the first episode of the new year, David Rothkopf sits down with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Kori Schake to discuss their foreign policy and national security predictions for 2023. Will Ukraine retake Crimea? What will President Biden spend his time on? Will anything good happen this year? Find out the answers to these questions and more during this timely discussion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The World Cup may be over but the questions about the politics of FIFA and soccer remain. Zoe and Grant talk with Ben Valdez-Hempel of District Sports and Manchester City about the beautiful game and the people and policies that are making it so ugly. For our final segment Zoe talks about George Santos lying about his resume, Ben goes down the rabbit hole on Scientology, and Grant recommends Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. If you are under 40 and interested in being featured on the podcast, be sure to fill out this form. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: January 4, 2022 As we begin a new year, the threats around the globe remain the same. Russia may invade Ukraine, Iran's nuclear ambitions may come to fruition, and democratic backsliding continues apace around the globe. To forecast what might happen this year and offer some hope about some potential foreign policy bright spots, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Will Russia further invade Ukraine? Are we witnessing the rise of a Hungarian model for illiberal democracy? Can we avoid a cold war with China? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look ahead to 2022. Don't wait to listen to this prescient conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: November 9, 2022 The midterms turned out exceptionally well for Democrats and in the process David, Simon, and Tara's analysis from last week was vindicated! The team reconvenes with Tom Bonier of TargetSmart to talk about the races that have already been called and the vote that is still left outstanding. What are the key takeaways from last night? Is this a victory for Democrats or just better than expectations? Is GenZ the most important generation politically now? Find out in this thoughtful discussion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: February 24, 2022 In the late hours of Wednesday, Vladimir Putin began a war of choice in Ukraine. On Thursday, President Biden detailed a variety of harsh sanctions that the United States, our allies, and partners will place upon Russia for his actions. To make sense of these developments, David Rothkopf spoke with David Sanger of the New York Times, Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a New American Security, and Joe Cirincione of the Quincy Institute. What comes next for Ukraine? Is Putin a rational actor? What more can the United States do to push back? All these questions and more answered on this episode. Don't miss it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: March 17, 2022 As Putin's war of choice in Ukraine continues, Russia is seeing major impacts domestically. The value of the Ruble dropped significantly following the invasion, Putin has cracked down on independent journalism, and sanctions are crippling the economy. To talk about the view from Moscow and the impact the war has had on Russians, David Rothkopf talked with Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine and Jill Dougherty of Georgetown University. How is the war viewed in Russia? What impact will Putin's recent speech have? Do the protests in Russia matter? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this thoughtful conversation. Join us. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: March 15, 2022 The war in Ukraine is moving into its third week and President Biden is headed to Europe for a meeting with NATO next week. David Rothkopf talks with David Sanger of the New York Times and Dmitri Alperovitch of the Silverado Policy Accelerator about the current state of the conflict and the potential path forward. Is China going to get involved? Why has Putin not used cyber against the West yet? What will come of Biden's meeting with other NATO heads of state? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions on this insightful episode. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: August 11, 2022 A search was carried out of Mar-a-Lago this week and it has upended the usually sleepy August in Washington. To talk about the search, Trump's pleading the fifth, and a variety of other developments David and Kavita are joined by EJ Dionne and Max Boot both of the Washington Post. Is the GOP now fully Trumpified? How much legal jeopardy is Trump in at this point? Are Biden's recent legislative wins going to have any impact on the country's perception of him? Find out in this wide-ranging episode. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: December 23, 2022 As the year comes to a close, Grant and Chris take a step back from the daily news cycle to talk about what surprised them this year. The Zero-COVID policy in China, the rotating door at 10 Downing Street, and much more as well as a peak behind the curtain about the media industry. Thank you for listening to us through this year and we always look forward to your feedback so please email us at [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: December 22, 2022 From a year that began with January 6th to the American Rescue Plan, Build Back Better, and Beyond, 2021 has been an especially vital year for American democracy, health, and economic renewal. The review the year in politics and advise the Biden administration as to what should come next, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Jennifer Rubin and E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post. Is there any hope that voting rights and vote counting will be secured in the coming year? What can Democrats do to hold onto their majorities in Congress? How should the Biden administration adjust moving forward? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on politics in 2021. Don’t miss this vital conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The end of the year offers a variety of special treats. For DSR listeners it means looking back on the politics of 2022 with David Rothkopf, Norm Ornstein, and David Corn. They discuss the work of the January 6th committee, the successes of a Democratic Congress, and much more. Members of the DSR Network get access to a bonus conversation with David, Simon Rosenberg, and Rep. Adam Smith (WA-09) about the war in Ukraine and the coming battles with a Republican-controlled House of Representatives. Join us for the informative conversation! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

President Biden is halfway through his Presidency and to look back on the good and bad of the last two years, David Rothkopf talks with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Stephen Walt from the Harvard Kennedy School. What were the President's missteps and successes? What issues are mostly missed by the media? What are we hoping for in 2023 and beyond? Find out during this thought-provoking episode. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Protests following the death of Masha Amini continue to put pressure on Iran. Grant and Zoe talk with Sara Haghdoosti of Win Without War about the protests, what America can do to help, and how literature can cross boundaries. For our final segment Zoe talks about Topdog/Underdog, Sara gives a shout out to Bluey, and Grant talks about border clashes between China and India. If you are under 40 and interested in being featured on the podcast, be sure to fill out this form. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: December 20, 2021 From January 6th to the Democracy Summit, 2021 has been an eventful year fore foreign policy and national security. To throughly review the year, adjudicate President Biden's performance, and discuss what you might have missed, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. What will historians write about 2021 in 2201? How did Biden's first year in office impact the great foreign policy issues of our moment? What did we not focus on enough this year? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on 2021. Don't miss this thoughtful conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter has made many re-evaluate the role of social media and new media. As people who work primarily in and around social and new media, David, Tara, and Simon talk about how Democrats need to step up and take on these challenges. How should we engage on social media? Do Progressives need to build their own media ecosystem? What can we learn from Republicans? Find out on this thought provoking conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The U.S.-Africa Leaders Summit is underway and it poses a series of questions about Africa itself and great power competition with China. David works through those questions with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Is the time to invest in Africa now? How has America's military-industrial complex warped our foreign policy? Are we being too hawkish on China? Our regulars discuss these and other issues during this striking conversation. Don't miss it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DSR Network Podcast: The Secret Life of Cookies Subscribe now on your podcast player of choice so that you never miss another episode! Marissa’s guest is the brilliant and marvelous Dahlia Lithwick, senior legal correspondent for Slate, host of the Amicus podcast and author of the must-read Lady Justice: Women, the Law, and the Battle to Save America. While making the famous Persian rice dish tahdig, the two discuss the most recent threats to democracy and yet still remain full of hope. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: October 1, 2018 The political furor around the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court may seem like pure domestic US politics, but the implications for America’s role in the world are serious. Not only does the chaos in the US symptom send a disconcerting message to those who once emulated us and an inviting one to our enemies, but the politics behind the nomination hint at bigger issues to come. America is growing more divided between less populated, less diverse “red” states that are disproportionately empowered by the US Constitution and the more diverse, less xenophobic, more urban “blue” states. According to Rosa Brooks of our panel, the last time our structural imbalances were this great we had a civil war. Are we on the precipice of greater unrest? Rosa is joined by Kori Schake of IISS and Evelyn Farkas of the Atlantic Council for a discussion on this, America’s soft power of attraction…and the sweet and surprising attraction between Donald Trump and, his new love, Kim Jong-Un. Tune in! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Supreme Court is back in session and taking on a number of hot button issues this session. To break down the latest episode, David sits down with Dahlia Lithwick of Slate. How likely is the Supreme Court to side with those pushing the Independent State Legislature doctrine? How much do our hopes hinge on Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh? Is masterpiece cakeshop coming back from the dead? Find out during this timely discussion. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As we march towards the end of the year, David talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University and Ed Luce of the Financial Times talks about what to expect over the next two years. Will Trump get indicted? Will Biden run again? How bad will a Republican-led House of Representatives be? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions during this thoughtful conversation. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita discuss what remains on the agenda for the lame duck Congress including issues like the debt limit and the looming threat of a railroad strike. Members of the DSR Network get access to a bonus conversation about the respect for marriage act and World AIDS day. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: March 3, 2022 Senator Chris Murphy is an outspoken progressive leader on foreign policy and has been a passionate supporter of Ukraine. Dr. Kavita Patel sat down with Senator Murphy to discuss the ongoing war in Ukraine and how America's adversaries and allies are viewing the conflict around the world. They also discuss the fight against COVID-19 and the fight for gun control. How should the U.S. approach a hesitant India on Russia sanctions? What is the next step for American policy towards COVID-19? Will anything ever get down to end the epidemic of gun violence in our country? Find out on this wide-ranging episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With the midterms results in the rearview mirror (at least in the house), Simon sits down with Representative Eric Swalwell (CA-15) to talk about what they mean for Congress moving forward. How will a GOP-led house change things? Will a Speaker McCarthy push through support for Ukraine? How important is a unified Democratic party in the minority? Find out the answers to these and other questions during this thoughtful conversation. Members get a brief conversation between Simon, Tara, and producer Grant Haver about what Democrats can do while in the minority. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Coming out of Thanksgiving and the midterms, David talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Mara Rudman of the Center for American Progress about what the next two years of America's foreign policy will look like. How should America approach a new Bibi government in Israel and the broader Middle East? Is Biden's China policy on the right track? What should we expect to come of the war in Ukraine? Find out the answer to these and other core question during this insightful conversation. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The one hundred and eighty-fifth episode of the DSR Daily Brief. Stories Cited in the Episode Malaysia’s election uncertainty drags out as party dithers Turkey strikes Kurdish militants a week after Istanbul blast Argentina: 'Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo' co-founder dies Deadly earthquake rocks Indonesia World Cup 2022: Iran's Ehsan Hajsafi speaks out over conditions in his home country Two prominent Iranian actresses arrested - state media Iran: Rights groups warn of crackdown in Kurdish Mahabad Iran protests continue to rage on streets as officials renew threats Iran issues first death sentence linked to recent protests Are 15,000 Iranian Protesters Going To Be 'Mass Executed'? US imposes new sanctions on Iranian officials over crackdown on protests Texas woman pleads guilty to smuggling spider monkey in 'beer' box Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: November 22, 2017 What are Deep State Radio nerds thankful for this Thanksgiving? We poll our experts and we get just the responses you would expect. One said he is thankful we have not had a nuclear war with North Korea...yet. Of course, many said they were grateful for Robert Mueller. And while others mentioned being grateful for all the faceless bureaucrats of the Deep State themselves...almost all of our experts showed a lot of love all our Deep State Radio nerds. Break out the box wine, pop a ear bud into your ear, and covertly listen along instead of having to endure your crackpot relatives around the Thanksgiving table. Happy Thanksgiving from all of us down here in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark to all of you out there living the Twilight Zone reality that has become our daily lives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Michigan proved to be not only a blue wall during the midterms but an example for others to follow. David talks with Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson about her work protecting and expanding the franchise as well as the bell weather nature of Michigan. Members of The DSR Network get to go deeper on these issues as Tara McGowan has a conversation with Representative Debbie Dingell (MI-06). Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As America begins to settle in for Thanksgiving, the original crew of DSR talks about what world leaders should be thankful for. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown moderates as David Rothkopf is stuck on the New Jersey Turnpike and it joined by Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Hear their takes on Presidents Xi, Putin, Biden, and Zelensky. Don't miss it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the final episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new book American Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features Ed Luce in conversation with David Rothkopf at Politics and Prose. They talked about how the book came together, the themes within the book, and what surprised David while he was writing it. Don't miss it. As an Amazon Affiliate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A core challenge facing the American defense enterprise is the pace of technology innovation. Grant and Zoe sat down with Cameron McCord to talk about how his experience in the military and on the Hill make him think differently about the issue of tech innovation within government. In our final segment, Zoe talks about the collapse of FTX, Cameron discusses this article in Breaking Defense, and Grant slams FIFA. If you are under 40 and interested in being featured on the podcast, be sure to fill out this form. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: July 17, 2018 Is Trumpism a philosophy? Does it have any hint of a philosophy within it? Is there any philosopher that ever existed that would embrace Trump? Does David Sanger remember any of his college philosophy courses? On this episode, Stanford's Kori Schake, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, David Sanger of the New York Times, and David Rothkopf, who grew up in New Jersey, walk us through how Trump may have developed what pass for his philosophies and consider the nature and origins of the ideas that drive his world view. Kori Schake also brings up Thucydides again and Ed uses the term "obscurantism." Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anti-semitism continues to rear its head in the cultural and political context. David Rothkopf digs into this issue and the Jewish-American identity with Emily Tamkin, author of the new book "Bad Jews: A History of American Jewish Politics and Identities". How have American Jews balanced assimilation and distinctiveness overtime? How has the creation of the modern nation-state of Israel impacted American Jews? How has Jewishness been thrust into modern political debates? Find out during this fascinating conversation. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gen Z had a massive impact on the midterms. To talk about that impact and what may come from it moving forward, David Rothkopf and Simon Rosenberg sit down John Della Volpe, the director of polling at the Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics, and the author of Fight: How Gen Z is Channeling Their Fear and Passion to Save America. Why does Gen Z vote so heavily for Democrats? What can get them to turn out? Is the Democratic party set up to accept them? Find out during this thought provoking conversation. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ukraine has made significant strides in retaking land from Russia. David talks with Rosa Brooks from Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Michael Weiss of Yahoo News, about what is happening in the war and how Russia is handling this latest turn of events. How bad is the Kherson withdrawal for Russia? What should we expect Poland to do after getting hit by a Russian missile? How does this all end? Members of the DSR Network get a bonus conversation about U.S.-China policy following the Biden-Xi meeting in Bali. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the fifth episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new bookAmerican Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features David Rothkopf in conversation with Fiona Hill, former Deputy Assistant to the President of the United States. David and Fiona discuss how Trump made foreign policy, Trump's impeachment and much more. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita provide their analysis of the midterms, discuss what they got right (and wrong) heading in, and where this goes from here. Members of the DSR Network get a bonus segment on how the parties should react to the results headed into 2024. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: November 9, 2022 Donald Trump's defeat is a watershed in modern U.S. history and a relief for so many of us that it may do permanent damage to the sales of Tums and headache medications. Which is a good thing. But, having said that, huge challenges remain for the US and the world. We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Ben Ehrenreich, award-winning author whose most recent article is "How Do You Know When Society is About to Fall Apart?" (Ben, by the way, is Rosa's brother!). Don't miss our celebration...Deep State-style. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The midterms turned out exceptionally well for Democrats and in the process David, Simon, and Tara's analysis from last week was vindicated! The team reconvenes with Tom Bonier of TargetSmart to talk about the races that have already been called and the vote that is still left outstanding. What are the key takeaways from last night? Is this a victory for Democrats or just better than expectations? Is GenZ the most important generation politically now? Find out in this thoughtful discussion. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Americans are headed to the polls and who they elect will have ripple effects around the world. David talks with Rosa Brooks from Georgetown University, Ed Luce from the Financial Times, Norm Ornstein from the Words Matter Podcast, and David Sanger from the New York Times about what might happen today and what it means for the world. What does an unpredictable U.S. mean for our allies and adversaries? How bad would a red wave be? What races are we watching tonight? Find out during this very timely episode. Join us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the fourth episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new book American Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features David Rothkopf in conversation with Ambassador Bill Taylor, former United States Ambassador to Ukraine. David and Ambassador Taylor discuss Trump's feelings about Ukraine, what was happening behind the scenes in Kyiv during the Trump Presidency, and much more. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Each week, Norm Ornstein and Kavita Patel, talk about the issues facing our country as we head into the midterms and what our leaders are saying and doing about them. We hope you like the show and we'd love to hear your feedback. If you have any comments feel free to send us an email at [email protected]. On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita are joined by EJ Dionne to discuss his latest column "In the midterms, GOP extremism is the ghoul in the room" and then they give their predictions about the midterms. Members of the DSR Network get a bonus segment on Biden's speech on the value of Democracy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Originally Aired: August 3, 2017 We present you, our beloved Deep State nerds, with the face-off you've been anticipating all summer. Our expert team breaks down rising powers, ruling powers, and the forces that drive war. Graham Allison and Kori Schake debate The Thucydides Trap, Rosa Brooks and David Rothkopf help us make sense of the similarities between ancient and modern history, all while convincing us to read The History of the Peloponnesian War. Come for the cage match and stay until the very end for some chilling insights into North Korea. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As we inch closer to the midterms, David Rothkopf takes a step back from the fray to speak with three thought leaders about the economy and how divided Americans actually are. In the first segment David talks with Michael Tomasky about his recent book "The Middle Out: The Rise of Progressive Economics and a Return to Shared Prosperity". Following that conversation, David turns to Patricia Duff of The Common Good and Spencer Kimball of Emerson College about their new poll and report called The Common Good Index of National Division. Don't miss these vital conversations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

With less one week before the midterms, David Rothkopf, Simon Rosenberg of NDN, and Tara McGowan of Good Information and Courier Newsroom speak with Cecile Richards, co-founder of Supermajority about the role of women and abortion as an issue in the midterms. How are Republicans changing the subject on abortion? Will women be the X-Factor to Democratic victory? Is the media getting bullied by Republicans? Find out the answers to these and other questions in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Each federal employee takes an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic,” but none had imagined that enemy might be the Commander-in-Chief. With the presidency of Donald Trump, a fault line between the president and vital forces within his government was established. Those who honored their oath of office, their obligation to the Constitution, were wary of the president and they in turn were not trusted and occasionally fired and replaced with loyalists. DSR Host David Rothkopf's latest book, American Resistance is the first book to chronicle the unprecedented role so many in the government were forced to play and the consequences of their actions during the Trump administration. David discusses the stories and people in the book with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Don't miss it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the third episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new book American Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features Dr. Anthony Fauci, Chief Medical Advisor to the President of United States. David and Dr. Fauci discuss the trade offs between science and politics, the COVID-19 response, and much more. Don't miss it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices