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The Divine Council Worldview Podcast

The Divine Council Worldview Podcast

Dr. Ronn Johnson · Jorge Gil

106 episodesEN

Show overview

The Divine Council Worldview Podcast has been publishing since 2024, and across the 2 years since has built a catalogue of 106 episodes. That works out to roughly 120 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a weekly cadence.

Episodes typically run an hour to ninety minutes — most land between 59 min and 1h 19m — and the run-time is fairly consistent across the catalogue. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Religion & Spirituality show.

The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed 6 days ago, with 17 episodes already out so far this year. The busiest year was 2025, with 50 episodes published. Published by Jorge Gil.

Episodes
106
Running
2024–2026 · 2y
Median length
1h 8m
Cadence
Weekly

From the publisher

Welcome to the Divine Council Worldview Podcast, where hosts Ronn Johnson and Mike Chu honor the legacy of their late friend and colleague Dr. Michael S. Heiser (author of the best-selling book The Unseen Realm). Our interest is the Bible, studying it through the lens of its original authors and audience. We will specifically take notice of created divine beings and the role they play in the physical cosmos through the ultimate authority of Yahweh, the God of Israel. Join the fun conversation!

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EP108: John 16: What Jesus Really Meant About the Holy Spirit

May 10, 202655 min

EP107: John 15: Can a Person Stop Abiding in Christ?

May 3, 20261h 2m

EP106: John 14: Jesus as the Way, Truth, and Life

Apr 26, 20261h 5m

EP105: John 13: The Dinner in Lazarus' Home

Apr 19, 20261h 16m

Ep 104EP104: Inside Supernatural Encounters in Nigeria with Emmanuel Dania

Join us as Emmanuel Dania shares powerful stories of supernatural encounters, street evangelism in Nigeria, and the transformative power of love and faith in ministry. Discover how faith moves mountains and impacts lives in profound ways.

Apr 12, 20261h 6m

Ep 103EP103: Q&A Session #18

In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Would it be possible to think of Joseph (Genesis 37-50) as a partial fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham? It seems that some of the promises made to Abraham were satisfied through Joseph and his story. 2) Please explain whether God was "silent" during the period between the testaments. It sounds like he may not have been as silent as I once thought. THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY Kompass Financial Advisors is a Christian independent Certified Financial Planner® firm, offering personalized financial planning and insurance solutions to help individuals and businesses achieve long-term security. Learn more at: https://www.kompassfinancial.com

Apr 5, 202643 min

Ep 102EP102: Q&A Session #17

In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Psalm 45 ultimately refers to Jesus, of course, but is it possible that the author originally intended it to be understood in terms of the coming messiah? 2) Please give a DCW opinion on the application of the word "righteous" to Jesus in such passages as Acts 3:14, 7:52, 22:14, and 1 John 2:1. THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY Kompass Financial Advisors is a Christian independent Certified Financial Planner® firm, offering personalized financial planning and insurance solutions to help individuals and businesses achieve long-term security. Learn more at: https://www.kompassfinancial.com

Mar 29, 202645 min

Ep 101EP101: Q&A Session #16

In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) What should we think about Roman Catholics who venerate Mary and give her titles that should be reserved for Jesus? Does God consider this idolatry? Or can God simply see this as an example of a loyal (righteous) person being unwittingly misled? 2) Why does Jesus say "ask and it shall be given"? Is this specifically for his disciples, or for us believers? And how do we deal with prayers which are not answered? Is there any reason God would keep a person in a situation that is sin when they have asked to be freed from it?

Mar 22, 202649 min

Ep 100EP100: Celebrating Legacy: Drenna Heiser-Hollander on Michael Heiser's Journey

In this milestone 100th episode, the Divine Council Worldview podcast welcomes Drenna Heiser-Hollander, president of the Michael S. Heiser Foundation, for an intimate conversation about the man behind the scholarship. Drenna traces the journey she and Mike shared, from their early love story through the cross-country moves that shaped his calling, the years of relentless academic pursuit, and the painful season of illness that took him from us too soon. Through it all, she reveals a fuller picture of who Mike was. Not just as a scholar, but as a husband, a companion, and a man whose life left an indelible mark on everyone it touched. She also shares how she's found new beginnings in Florida and the work she's carrying forward through the foundation to ensure Mike's legacy continues to reach those he never got to meet.

Mar 15, 202658 min

Ep 99EP099: Q&A Session #15

In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) After the resurrection, NT writers rarely refer to Jesus simply by the name "Jesus" without attaching a title such as "Lord," "Christ," or "Jesus Christ." Is referring to Jesus without a title unintentionally minimizing early Christian confession about its messiah? 2) The story of 1 Kings 22, in which a spirit is sent by Yahweh to lie to Ahab's prophets, seems to imply that created gods have the ability to manipulate or obstruct human freedom. Is this story teaching this, and are there any other OT passages which teach this? THIS EPISODE IS SPONSORED BY Kompass Financial Advisors is a Christian independent Certified Financial Planner® firm, offering personalized financial planning and insurance solutions to help individuals and businesses achieve long-term security. Learn more at: https://www.kompassfinancial.com

Mar 8, 202647 min

Ep 98EP098: Q&A Session #14

In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer two questions sent in by listeners: 1) Is the logic of hell (and eternal concious torment) consistent with God's justice? And if God's justice wasn't satisfied at the cross, it must be satisfied at some point, correct? 2) Could Jesus' teaching regrading loyalty to his Father be understood as a polemic against Israel's loyalty to created gods, especially Baal? Could it also be a polemic against the rebellious gods' relationship to Yahweh?

Mar 1, 202649 min

Ep 96EP096: Q&A Session #12

In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer three questions sent in by listeners: 1) How does the origial meaning of Jeremiah 16:16 (including the idea of "fishers of men") relate to Jesus' use of the phrase in Mark 1:17? 2) Is it possible to trace the appearance of the serpent in Genesis 3 throiugh the rest of the biblical story? Is he, for example, the same being that tempts Jesus? 3) How did the gods of the nations communicate with their worshippers? Is there any written evidence explaining how and why people would choose these gods over Yahweh?

Feb 15, 20261h 3m

Ep 95EP095: Beginning the Passion Week

In this episode, Ronn and Mike discuss John 12 as a theological and narrative hinge in the Gospel, situating it within the chronology of Passion Week while exploring its deeper implications for atonement, messianic expectation, and Gentile inclusion. They noted that early church councils never defined a single atonement theory, arguing instead for a flexible, text-driven, and retrospective understanding of Jesus' death that emerges only after the resurrection. Walking through key scenes—the anointing at Bethany, the triumphal entry, the growing threat posed by Lazarus, and Jesus' interaction with Greeks seeking him—they emphasized how John frames Jesus' death as the means by which the Gentile world is drawn in to Abraham's family and the ruler of this world is judged. Along the way, they challenged overly simplistic prophecy-fulfillment models, cautioned against reading the Old Testament too quickly through a New Testament lens.

Feb 1, 20261h 14m

Ep 94EP094: John 11:45-57: The Gathering of Jesus' Family throuigh Death

In this episode, Ronn and Mike complete the 11th chapter of John (verses 45-57). Their main point of discussion is Caiaphas' description of the meaning of the death of Jesus in vs.52: "he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." Ronn recommended that this "gathering" of Abraham's family was understood by later NT writers as accomplished through Jesus' symbolic ritual cleansing of Gentiles. He noted how most discussions of Jesus' death in the NT are associated with ideas of entering sacred space ("clean," "heal," "enter," "sanctify," etc.) as opposed to ideas that describe salvation ("righteous/ness," "save/d," "salvation," etc.).

Jan 25, 20261h 25m

Ep 93EP093: John 11:1-44: The Raising of Lazarus

In this episode, Ronn and Mike enjoy the story of Lazarus' resuscitation in John 11:1-44. For several reasons found within this narrative, Ronn recommended that original readers would have been tempted to regard Lazarus as the "disciple that Jesus loved" referred to in later stories of John. A key element in this story, of course, was Martha's belief that Lazarus would "rise again in the resurrection" (11:24), offering a chance to talk about death and resurrection beliefs within 2nd Temple Judaism. Did the crowd expect Jesus to literally "be the resurrection and the life"? Apparentliy not—until Lazarus heard his name attached to the invitation to come out of the tomb! The conversation closes with personal application of this story to our understanding and hopes for eternal life.

Jan 18, 202655 min

Ep 92EP092: Beyond Knowledge: When Theology Meets Real Life

A raw, global conversation on applying theology to real life—addressing spiritual abuse, prison ministry, and a growing hunger for biblical understanding in Brazil. Sandra Alex and the hosts explore why translation, community, humility, and lived faith matter more than knowledge alone.

Jan 11, 20261h 23m

Ep 91EP091: John 10: Jesus' Use of Psalm 82

In this episode, Ronn and Mike work their way through John 10, starting with Jesus' self-identification as Israel's "good shepherd." They recommend that Jesus is thuf fulfilling the meaning of Ezekiel 34, which recalls the extended metaphor of Yahweh claiming to be Israel's ultimate shepherd. This leads to a necessary discussion of the issue of "divine agency," and how God could be seen working through figures who receive their authority through God's appointment. Closing discussion attempts explanations of Jesus' curious statement that he and his Father are "one" (v. 30) and Jesus' use of Psalm 82 to extinguish charges of blasphemy.

Jan 4, 20261h 31m

Ep 90EP090: John 9: The Healing of the Man Born Blind

In this episode, Ronn and Mike look at John 9, reading through the extended story of the man born blind who is healed by Jesus. They discuss the significance of some of the interesting details of the story, including why Jesus patched the man's eyes with spittle, and why he had the man go a half-mile away to wash in the Pool of Siloam. Ronn recommended that the use of "sinner" in the story hearkens back to the OT understanding that this was a category akin to someone outside the covenant of Israel, as opposed to someone who simply was guilty of sin. Closing discussion noted how the man was led to confess to Jesus that he believed in the "Son of Man," a title reminiscent of Daniel 7's role of the messiah.

Dec 28, 20251h 11m

Ep 89EP089: Q&A Session #11

In this episode, Ronn and Mike answer six questions sent in by listeners: 1) What is the best way to study the original authors, recipients, and cultures of the biblical world? 2) Does a DCW have any specific opinion on the issue of human free will? 3) Why didn't Jesus condemn the adulterous woman in John 8? It seems mercy is the exception in how God handles sin in the Bible. 4) Ronn has said that Jesus' death did not accomplish anything which had not already been true before. How does that work with things like death and ritual impurity? 5) Does a Mormon worship the right god? 6) What caused Mary Magdalene to be possessed by seven demons?

Dec 21, 20251h 18m

Ep 88EP088: Discipleship Beyond the Walls and Behind Bars

Rich and Mel talk with Curt Ferrell, discussing how the gospel's true power thrives in relationships—not institutions. From Indiana prisons to everyday life, discover how God builds His family through faith, community, and the transformative presence of His kingdom today. Curt's book: The Way to Discipleship: Thinking Well About the Kingdom of God: https://a.co/d/dHo6y66

Dec 14, 20251h 19m