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Private credit’s double-digit returns are here to stay, even as interest rates drop and risks rise, according to Arcmont Asset Management. “Our spreads have been very consistent for a decade,” says Mattis Poetter, the European private debt firm’s co-chief investment officer, in the latest Credit Edge podcast from Bloomberg Intelligence. “I think that’s sustainable,” he tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Kat Hidalgo, and Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Credit Analyst Robert Schiffman. In addition, Arcmont’s co-CIO discusses private debt defaults, pay-in-kind structures, debt-for-equity swaps and opportunities in net-asset-value financing. Also in this episode, Poetter and Schiffman weigh market dislocations and opportunities for rescue financing. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The best credit investments are in asset-backed securities, particularly those linked to US households, according to JPMorgan Asset Management. “We absolutely see opportunities for yield pickup there,” says Kay Herr, the firm’s chief investment officer for US fixed income, in the latest Credit Edge podcast from Bloomberg Intelligence. “The consumer’s going to be OK,” she tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Credit Analyst Julie Hung. The CIO meanwhile flags potential risks building in private credit that could ripple through high-yield debt markets. Also in this episode, Herr and Hung discuss retail trends as high- and low-income consumers diverge. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

US companies with about $200 billion in debt — 10% of the junk market — can’t survive at prevailing elevated interest rates, according to Bank of America. “At the bottom decile, we are looking at issuers that are in most likelihood not going to be able to come out of this high-rate episode without doing something to their balance sheet,” says Oleg Melentyev, head of US high-yield strategy at Bank of America, in the latest Credit Edge podcast from Bloomberg Intelligence. “Half of that segment is free-cash-flow negative unless the Fed cuts interest rates soon and deep — which is a pretty weak assumption,” he tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence Credit Analyst Matthew Geudtner. Also in this episode, Melentyev and Geudtner discuss the outlook for companies in the commodity and capital goods sectors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Invesco is buying real estate investment trust debt and preferred bonds from banks, betting that the US economy stays strong and interest rates eventually fall. “If you’re looking at yield, it is kind of a golden age for bonds,” says Matt Brill, the $1.6 trillion money manager’s head of North America investment-grade credit, in the latest Credit Edge podcast from Bloomberg Intelligence. “You’re getting paid to wait and at some point here, you’re going to get that kicker of the Fed starting to cut,” he tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Credit Analyst Tolu Alamutu. Also in this episode, Brill and Alamutu discuss commercial real estate risks and opportunities as rates stay high. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Household debt is a good investment as the US economy remains strong, Jeremy Forster, portfolio manager at Wellington Management, says in the latest Credit Edge podcast from Bloomberg Intelligence. “We do still think that the US consumer is in really good shape,” he tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Credit Analyst Arnold Kakuda. Forster expects “compelling” returns in fixed income for 2024, which he thinks will be the year of the bond. In addition, Wellington likes financial sector and electric utility debt. Forster and Kakuda also debate liability-driven investing and risk in the banking sector as interest rates stay high. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rising private credit stress will inflict losses on investors and spur volatility, Jerry Cudzil, portfolio manager at TCW Group, says in the latest Credit Edge podcast from Bloomberg Intelligence. “Default rates are going to pick up in a really material way in private credit,” he tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Credit Analyst David Havens. “We are currently seeing some real stress,” says Cudzil, who expects “accidents” as documentation weakens and pay-in-kind deals proliferate. Cudzil and Havens also discuss the broader financial markets implications of this turbulence, and how current leverage levels compare with 2007. TCW is underweight corporate credit but sees opportunity in collateralized loan obligations and agency mortgages. Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Western Asset Management Co. sees “compelling” opportunities in commercial real estate debt, Co-Chief Investment Officer Michael Buchanan says in the latest Credit Edge podcast from Bloomberg Intelligence. This includes loans for warehouses, distribution centers and hotels, he tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Credit Analyst Stephen Flynn, adding that the firm is cautious on offices. In addition, Western Asset likes collateralized loan obligations and debt from companies in the communications sector. Also in this episode, Buchanan and Flynn discuss regulatory risk in mergers and acquisitions, and how investors navigate increasingly aggressive liability management transactions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Altice ‘Jenga Tower’ Menaces Global Credit Markets (Podcast)Altice distress is ripping through global credit markets and setting some ugly precedents for debt investors. Aidan Cheslin from Bloomberg Intelligence joins Irene Garcia Perez, Eleanor Duncan and James Crombie with Bloomberg News to discuss the ongoing drama. Billionaire owner Patrick Drahi has taken a combative approach to creditors, who are joining forces in an effort to avoid steep losses. Credit rating downgrades and asset price falls at Altice France — which has more than €24 billion ($25.6 billion) in debt — make lenders cautious and undermine the ability of other risky companies to refinance debt. The French telecom is “teetering like a Jenga tower with unsustainable leverage and negative free cash flow,” according to BI’s Cheslin.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Corporate debt markets are poised to perform well provided monetary policy doesn’t get tighter, according to Morgan Stanley. “As a credit investor, the thing that matters most is that the next Fed policy action is not a hike,” Vishy Tirupattur, the bank’s chief fixed income strategist, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Spencer Cutter. “The bar for a hike is very high,” he adds. Morgan Stanley still expects three rate cuts from the Federal Reserve this year, starting in July. Tirupattur favors leveraged loans, CCC rated bonds and debt from companies in the energy sector. Also in this podcast, Tirupattur discusses the private credit opportunity and commercial real estate risks. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The threat of weak companies not being able to pay their debts is rising as interest rates stay elevated. “On high yield and loans, I do think that risks are growing that you could see a reset in spreads,” Meghan Robson, head of US credit strategy at BNP Paribas, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Mike Holland. “The obvious trigger for us would be that debate of rate hikes coming back,” Robson says in the latest Credit Edge podcast. BNP favors shorting some single B and CCC rated issuers whose credit spreads have tightened alot. “If rate cuts do seem to be pushed off more and more, I think there could be a sell off there,” said Robson. In addition, BNP favors bonds rated BBB, flags high-yield debt in the media sector as an opportunity, and expresses caution on the financial sector, given the likelihood of an earnings drag if the Federal Reserve doesn’t ease. “The biggest risk we’re watching is a red wave,” says Robson, when asked about the impact of the US presidential election on credit markets. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Europe’s largest asset manager, Amundi, expects Additional Tier 1 bank bonds to extend gains in what it sees as a broadly positive market for corporate debt. “We’re obviously in this kind of Goldilocks scenario, I think, where the central bank put remains on the table,” Steven Fawn, head of global credit at Amundi Asset Management, tells Bloomberg News’ James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Stephane Kovatchev. “Sub-debt is one part of the market which we like,” Fawn says in the latest Credit Edge podcast, referring to subordinated bonds, including bank AT1s. In addition, the portfolio manager discusses Amundi’s macroeconomic outlook, fund flows and positioning by industry sector and ratings tier. Also in this episode, BI’s Kovatchev analyzes the impact of the Baltimore bridge collapse on the global supply chain.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Altice’s debt woes pose a threat to the collateralized loan obligation market, says Gunther Stein, chief investment officer for US performing credit and CLOs at Sound Point Capital Management. “Altice is clearly an issue for Europe, and in particular the European CLO market,” Stein tells Bloomberg News’ Carmen Arroyo and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Robert Schiffman in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “It’s something we all have to be thoughtful around in terms of how we’re managing our portfolios,” he said, referring to investors’ exposure to borrowers with large capital structures. While the US leveraged finance market is bigger and more diversified than Europe, Altice is also a “relevant” borrower there, Stein adds. He expects higher-for-longer rates to boost leveraged loans and sees value in the technology and cable sectors, as well as health care companies like LifePoint. “There’s good value still in the leveraged loan space,” says Stein. In this episode, Sound Point also discusses CLO issuance, pricing and leveraged loan liquidity.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Credit investors aren’t getting enough compensation for corporate credit risk, says Matthew Eagan, a portfolio manager and head of the full discretion team at Loomis Sayles & Co. “Judging from the spread levels, I think they’ve gone a bit too far,” Eagan tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Stephen Flynn in the latest Credit Edge podcast. He sees investment grade debt as an opportunity, given decent corporate earnings and the fact that debt costs are mostly locked in. Loomis likes BBB rated debt, as well as bonds issued by banks and media companies. Eagan also says ongoing concern about commercial real estate risk is not likely to hurt major banks, and should remain contained to smaller institutions. Also in this episode, BI’s Flynn analyzes improving credit prospects at Paramount Global and predicts a US election boost for iHeartMedia. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Asset-based lending is set to expand over the next 10 years at the same heady pace as private credit, according to Bruce Richards, CEO and Chairman of Marathon Asset Management. “The $100 billion middle-market lending and private-credit lending business in 2008 which grew to $1.7 trillion where it is today — a 17-fold increase — you’ll see the same thing happening in ABL in this next decade,” he tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Arnold Kakuda, in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “I love ABL,” said Richards, referring to loans backed by assets like consumer loans, aircraft and ships. In addition, Richards details how his firm is making returns that can exceed 20% buying office loans from banks, which are having to sell them for regulatory reasons. “Commercial real estate represents a lot of distress in the marketplace but also one of the greatest opportunities in the marketplace right now,” said Richards. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Credit derivatives and securitizations offer high yields and can perform well even if the US economy tips into recession, says Jonathan Dorfman, managing principal and chief investment officer at Napier Park Global Capital. “In credit, for the first time in 15 years, you can actually create portfolios that give equity-like returns,” he tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Tolu Alamutu, in the latest Credit Edge podcast. Standardization and improved transparency have reduced risk in structured credit, which can make better inflation-adjusted gains than corporate bonds, he says. Dorfman also raises concerns about private credit — which doesn’t mark to market — noting “extraordinary” differences in pricing of the same asset by managers. In addition, Alamutu weighs the outlook for real estate as rates stay high for longer. That’s pushing more companies in the sector to borrow in public bond markets, she says. Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Financial institutions are selling off consumer loans under pressure from regulators, setting up investors for significant gains, according to Mark Jenkins, head of global credit at Carlyle Group Inc. “Banks in the US in particular are managing down their risk-weighed assets, and that is creating a deluge of opportunities for us,” he tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie, and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Robert Schiffman, in the latest Credit Edge podcast. Debt being offloaded by banks includes credit card, student and housing loans — which are repackaged into asset-backed securities — and is flowing at a clip Jenkins says he’s not seen before in his 33-year career. Carlyle is also finding elevated returns in high-grade private credit, though Jenkins says stress may show up in direct loans made to companies in 2020-2021, when prices were at an all-time high and rates fell to near zero. In this episode, Jenkins also discusses how Carlyle is testing artificial intelligence for investment decision making, but says it’s too soon to discern a credit-investment strategy focused on AI. “There are those opportunities, but they aren’t directly on the engine of AI — it’s really the infrastructure of AI that we would look to support and build out,” he says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Buyers of distressed real estate debt stand to make significant gains over the next few years, according to Joshua Pack, co-CEO at Fortress Investment Group. “This is going to be a trillion-dollar opportunity,” he said. Pack discusses how Fortress is getting ready for “a massive restructuring” in the sector with Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Tolu Alamutu in the latest Credit Edge podcast. The impact on banks will be long-lasting and not limited to smaller financial institutions, says Pack, who predicts more consolidation and liquidation. Also in this episode, Alamutu analyzes the real estate stress spreading through Europe that’s hurting banks, insurers and asset managers. Germany and Sweden are areas of concern, while Signa’s insolvency adds Austria to the list of hot spots, Alamutu says. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

US-style creditor-on-creditor violence spreading to Europe is a worry for loan investors, according to Camille McLeod-Salmon, portfolio manager at Fidelity International. “What we are focused on is this move that’s in the US towards creditor-on-creditor violence — and the shift that you’ve had there — and that translating into Europe,” she said. London-based McLeod-Salmon talks to Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Aidan Cheslin in the latest Credit Edge podcast. There are opportunities for investors in the technology and chemical sectors, she adds, predicting high-single-digit returns in European leveraged loans. Also in this episode, BI’s Cheslin weighs the outlook for Altice, which is shedding assets in a bid to reduce debt. The company has had to pay up to extend maturities and there’s a risk of divesting crown jewels in pursuit of fresh cash, Cheslin says. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Geopolitics are a potential menace to public debt markets that could present opportunities for private lenders, according to Mike Dennis, co-head of European credit at Ares Management. “The capital markets in general are still pretty fragile,” Dennis tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “It wouldn’t take much for that liquidity to reverse out of the system,” he said. Volatility may open the door for private credit firms to participate more in larger corporate loan deals, Dennis says, adding that there’s more demand for European transactions than supply. Also in this episode, Bloomberg Intelligence’s Stephane Kovatchev analyzes the shipping sector after a 300% increase in freight rates. Greater supply of ships coupled with fading demand are expected to relieve some of the price pressure, Kovatchev says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Collateralized loan obligations are among the best debt investment opportunities for this year, according to John Wright, global head of credit at Bain Capital. Spreads on the structured investment vehicles, which repackage leveraged loans into bonds of varying risk, may tighten further, even as default rates rise, Wright tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Mike Holland in the latest Credit Edge podcast. He also sees robust potential for growth in India and Australia, as well as in private credit, especially for buyouts. Slim recovery rates in the loan market are among the biggest worries. Also in this episode, BI’s Holland analyzes the outlook for WeightWatchers, whose bonds are dropping. The company faces a tough road ahead but there is a path to survival, Holland says. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The US economy is at risk of tipping into recession in the second half of this year, putting pressure on corporate debt markets, says Chris Alwine, global head of credit at Vanguard. “What would precipitate that shallow recession is that corporations are just not hiring, with a modest increase in layoffs,” said Alwine. Vanguard, one of the biggest money managers in the world, with $8.6 trillion in assets, is cautious on junk-rated debt, Alwine tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Stephen Flynn in the latest Credit Edge podcast. He meanwhile sees opportunity in the bonds of large financial institutions. Also in this episode, BI’s Flynn analyzes the debt troubles at Dish Network Corp. and what it means for the rest of the sector. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Private debt needs to get better at explaining itself as the $1.6 trillion asset class goes mainstream, according to James Reynolds, global head of direct lending at Goldman Sachs. “We collectively need to just demystify what we do — which is in simple words, lending to corporates,” Reynolds tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s David Havens in the latest Credit Edge podcast. Goldman wants to double the size of its $110 billion private credit business. Reynolds sees growth opportunities in Asia, investment-grade loans and leveraged finance, as well as more secondary trade in private debt. Also in this episode, BI’s Havens analyzes the rush by business development companies (BCDs) to go public as valuations soar.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Private-debt firms are set to consolidate as larger companies dominate deal flow, according to Marc Chowrimootoo, portfolio manager at Hayfin Capital Management. “We’re seeing a concentration within fewer hands,” Chowrimootoo tells Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee and James Crombie and Bloomberg Intelligence’s Julie Hung in the latest Credit Edge podcast. “That trend is going to continue.” He identifies debt refinancing as the big opportunity for private lenders in 2024. Hayfin likes the health-care and software sectors, while avoiding smaller borrowers that are struggling with higher rates. In addition, BI’s Hung weighs the impact on food and drink companies of weight-loss drugs like Ozempic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Commercial real estate faces a tough 2024 as trillions of dollars in debt comes due and refinancing gets harder, according to Neil Callanan, corporate finance czar at Bloomberg News. Offices in financial centers are especially under pressure after banks tightened lending standards, Callanan tells Bloomberg senior editor James Crombie in the latest episode of the BI Credit Edge Podcast. He’s watching for delayed and canceled new projects and short selling of real estate companies as signals of distress. In addition, Jody Lurie, Bloomberg Intelligence credit analyst, weighs the outlook for leisure-sector bonds after a stellar year in 2023. Gains are expected at a slower pace, while some junk cruise operators are heading for investment grade, according to Lurie. Business travel will boost hotels, while car rental firms are more challenged, she adds.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

New entrants to the rapidly-growing private credit market, scrambling to deploy capital as demand exceeds supply, risk making loans that don’t perform well, according to Alan Schrager, senior partner and portfolio manager at Oak Hill Advisors. “You sort of love private credit tourists who potentially do bad deals, because bad deals that ultimately you don’t own make you look good on a relative basis,” Schrager says. “Even though we do think private credit is really cheap, we are trying to stay high quality,” Schrager tells Bloomberg News senior reporter Lisa Lee senior editor James Crombie in the latest episode of the Credit Edge podcast. Also in this episode, Bloomberg Intelligence senior credit analyst Arnold Kakuda weighs the outlook for banks heading into a tougher macro environment next year. Large financial institutions are well prepared for credit risk after withdrawing from some markets that private lenders stepped into fill, and they will be big bond issuers in January, according to Kakuda. Regional banks are more exposed to commercial real estate stress, he adds.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Private credit will hog the limelight in 2024, with ever-larger deals and continued expansion, even as high rates and a slowing economy add risks. To discuss the outlook for next year, Paula Seligson and Lisa Lee — senior reporters in Bloomberg’s global private credit news team — join senior editor James Crombie in the latest episode of the Credit Edge podcast. Private debt will likely attract more investors — and the attention of regulators seeking transparency. Also in this episode, Bloomberg Intelligence credit analyst Rena Kwok weighs the resilience of Asean banks amid a Chinese economic slowdown. She identifies relative value in Bangkok Bank bonds and sees risks across the board from elevated interest rates. Private credit activity has been muted in the region, but it’s something to watch for next year, Kwok says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

More companies will default on their debt next year because of higher rates and slower earnings, but there won’t be a widespread crisis, says Christopher Sheldon, co-head of credit and markets at KKR. “We don’t think it’s Armageddon,” he tells Bloomberg News senior reporter Lisa Lee and senior editor James Crombie in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. He expects continued stress in the retail and health-care sectors — and also sees big opportunity in asset-based finance. In addition, Bloomberg Intelligence credit analyst Sharon Chen weighs the outlook for Indian utilities, including relative value in the bonds of Adani. Companies borrowing more cheaply in local markets reduced the need to raise debt abroad. Investors are meanwhile shifting into Indian credit and out of China, which is suffering real estate distress, Chen says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Private credit offers double-digit returns with structures that can reduce risk, just as increased competition boosts secondary trading options, says Mark Attanasio, co-founder of Crescent Capital. “We don’t see a bubble yet,” he tells Bloomberg News senior reporter Lisa Lee and senior editor James Crombie in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. He avoids transport and energy, but is looking to participate in private loans in other sectors across the US and Europe. Attanasio also discusses the performance of his Milwaukee Brewers baseball business after rule changes shortened the game, and takes questions on his growing stake in Norwich City football club. In addition, Bloomberg Intelligence senior credit analyst Stephen Flynn weighs the outlook for companies in the communications sector, which is lagging a high-yield bond rally amid distress at some of the biggest borrowers. Dish, Altice and Lumen have significant leverage and maturity wall challenges, while cashflow-rich companies like Charter Communications are in good shape for 2024, he says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When fast-food chain Raising Cane’s tapped the US capital market this month, it revealed a $7.6 billion fortune held by CEO Todd Graves. Strong demand for the chicken-finger maker’s bonds highlights growing investor appetite for risky debt as the US economy appears headed for a soft landing, Bloomberg News reporter Michael Tobin tells Bloomberg senior editor James Crombie in this episode of the Credit Edge podcast. And it shows consumer spending holding up despite inflationary pressures, Tobin says. Also in this episode, Bloomberg Intelligence senior analyst Mike Holland weighs the outlook for US health care. Some highly-indebted companies like Community Health Systems and Bausch Health are hitting a wall as liquidity dries up, while others like HCA Healthcare are thriving, Holland says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Private credit’s rapid growth and lack of transparency are concerns to be monitored as funding costs jump, says Fraser Lundie, head of fixed income at Federated Hermes in London. Steep rises in interest payments for lower-rated companies are “not going to be absorbed cleanly and easily,” he tells Bloomberg News senior reporter Lisa Lee and senior editor James Crombie. “The lack of look through is something that I find it quite difficult to have conviction on,” adds Lundie, referring to private debt. Federated Hermes manages about $715 billion in assets. Also in this episode of Credit Edge, Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Pri de Silva analyzes the additional tier 1 bond market, which is staging a comeback and offering double-digit returns. More issuance from Japanese banks provides opportunities for diversification, he adds. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

WeWork Inc. — known for free-flowing booze and a fleeting $47 billion valuation — declared bankruptcy just two years after going public. This cautionary tale of over-indebtedness highlights the perils for investors who fall in love with businesses they don’t really understand, says Bloomberg News senior reporter Reshmi Basu. And it’s a warning for lenders to astronomically-valued start-ups as borrowers struggle with soaring debt payments, Basu tells Bloomberg senior editor James Crombie. Also in this episode of Credit Edge, Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Cecilia Chan analyzes US efforts to keep advanced chips out of China — and the fallout for Asia’s technology sector. In addition, Chan discusses how Macau’s casino comeback is boosting gaming companies.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Private lending is the best opportunity in debt markets today, says Tristram Leach, co-head of European credit at Apollo Global Management. “If I had to pick a single area that I think you’re meant to lean in to — and frankly, where we’re seeing clients lean in to as well — it is private credit,” he tells Bloomberg News senior reporter Lisa Lee and senior editor James Crombie. An extra 200 bps over publicly syndicated loans is enough compensation for the relative lack of liquidity, he adds. Also in this episode of the Credit Edge, Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Matthew Geudtner weighs the benefits to company pension plans from higher rates. And he flags Raytheon, a unit of RTX, as one to watch after it announced a $10 billion debt-funded share buyback program.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Opportunities for robust returns in debt markets are the best “in quite some time,” despite rising default risk, says Rob Zable, global head of liquid credit strategies at Blackstone. In this episode of the Credit Edge, Bloomberg News senior reporter Lisa Lee and senior editor James Crombie quiz Zable on his optimistic outlook — and where he sees risk. Plus Bloomberg Intelligence analyst David Havens weighs the outlook for private credit and business development companies. BDCs are well positioned to weather a downturn in the US economy, says Havens.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The resignation of a top Texas bankruptcy judge after it emerged he was dating a leading lawyer has rocked the insolvency world. To analyze the fallout, we’re joined by Steven Church and Amelia Pollard from Bloomberg News. Creditors may now challenge some of the judge’s prior rulings, while his downfall revives scrutiny of where companies are filing for bankruptcy. Also in this episode of the Credit Edge, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Spencer Cutter about a consolidation wave in the energy sector. Exxon Mobil’s acquisition of Pioneer Natural Resources may spur oil and gas sector consolidation that would boost bonds, Cutter says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Fortune favors the bold in credit markets this year, with the biggest returns coming from the highest-risk debt. To analyze why and what’s next, we’re joined by Gowri Gurumurthy, a veteran high-yield bond reporter at Bloomberg News. Triple C rated bonds and leveraged loans are poised to extend gains barring a major geopolitical shock, while defaults will probably stay low, Gurumurthy says. Also in this episode of the Credit Edge, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Robert Schiffman about the outlook for the technology sector amid an explosion in artificial intelligence. Nvidia is the poster child for AI, with huge potential to increase free cash flow, Schiffman says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The $8 trillion mortgage-bond market plunged to levels rarely seen since the global financial crisis as Treasury yields surged. To analyze why and what’s next, we’re joined by Christopher Maloney, mortgage strategist at BOK Financial Capital Markets, and Bloomberg News reporter Scott Carpenter. Homebuyers face the threat of even larger debt payments, while credit investors may find an opportunity to buy cheap bonds. Also in this episode of the Credit Edge, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie asks Bloomberg Intelligence senior credit analyst Arnold Kakuda about the outlook for financial institutions following this year’s banking crisis. Wall Street faces more regulatory pressure just as private lenders get more aggressive, Kakuda says. Listen to this episode here on the Bloomberg Terminal and on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

China’s property crisis has lurched into a perilous new phase — with significant implications for the world’s second-largest economy, according to Bloomberg News’ Alice Huang. The deepening distress hurts other industries and repels foreign investors, Huang says. In this episode of the Credit Edge, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Spencer Cutter about growing risks to energy debt from depressed natural gas prices. Smaller producers are most vulnerable as some see cash flow turn negative, Cutter says.Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Leveraged finance has sprung back to life with jumbo buyout deals and dividend loans, according to Bloomberg News’ Claire Ruckin. Credit investors are increasingly hungry for risk and companies are piling on debt amid hopes of a soft landing and lower rates ahead, Ruckin says. In this episode of the Credit Edge, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Tolu Alamutu about growing distress in real estate. Trouble has spread through Sweden and other parts of Europe, while also putting pressure on financial institutions, Alamutu says. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Companies hitting the bond market at record pace left investors hungry for more, according to Bloomberg News’ Caleb Mutua. The deluge will be short-lived as borrowers retreat, waiting for interest rates to come back down, Mutua says. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Mary Ellen Olson about what’s next for Vedanta Resources Ltd., the junk-rated Indian mining company with a pile of debt coming due. Extending bond maturities would buy the company time to sell assets and generate much-needed cash, Olson says. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hedge funds are jumping into the collateralized loan obligation market in pursuit of fat and steady returns, according to Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee. CLOs are meanwhile menaced by the lingering threat of recession and higher rates — while increasingly repackaging private debt — Lee says. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Jeroen Julius about the outlook for the AT1 market after the collapse of Credit Suisse. Prices have recovered but for some investors, the market’s just too choppy, Julius says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Banks are readying about $15 billion of leverage buyout debt for sale starting in September, stepping back into M&A after losses piled up on their books last year, Bloomberg News’ Paula Seligson, says. Also on this episode of the Credit Edge podcast, Bloomberg News corporate finance reporter Olivia Raimonde chats with Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Jody Lurie, who covers the leisure sector. Lurie walks us through the cruise-line industry’s recovery from the pandemic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Companies that borrowed from private markets are struggling to pay as interest rates surge, according to Bloomberg News’ Kat Hidalgo. There’s more distress to come amid record levels of fundraising and ever-increasing deal sizes, Hidalgo says. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Andrew Chan about the brewing debt crisis in China. Offshore bonds from local government financing vehicles may provide relative value with yields above 15% — assuming they can avoid default, Chan says.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Companies with floating-rate debt are feeling the pain of higher interest costs as leveraged loan defaults outpace that of junk bonds, Bloomberg News’ Jill Shah, says. The one-year default rate for US loan borrowers has soared to 4%, an analysis by Morgan Stanley shows. Also on this episode of the Credit Edge podcast, Bloomberg News corporate finance reporter Olivia Raimonde chats with Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Daniel Fan who covers China properties. He walks us through the debt crisis unfolding at distressed Chinese developer Country Garden.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Yellow — the bankrupt trucking firm — is deciding between competing financing packages from lenders including Apollo, Bloomberg News’ Amelia Pollard says. The company owes the US government more than $700 million from a pandemic-era loan. Also on this episode of the Credit Edge podcast, Bloomberg News corporate finance reporter Olivia Raimonde chats with Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Julie Hung about M&A in the consumer sector. Hung walks us through recent credit downgrades in the industry.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Leveraged loans are enjoying a euphoric risk-on period of excess demand for limited supply, according to Bloomberg News’ Jeannine Amodeo. Banks offloading hung buyout debt at a steep discount could send prices back down but there are reasons to be bullish on the market for the rest of this year, Amodeo says. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Mary Ellen Olson about high-yield opportunities in the Indonesian commodity sector. Olson sees nickel producers benefiting from electric vehicle manufacturing, just as coal companies receive a regulatory boost.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Carvana is a rare case of lenders working together to agree restructuring terms and could be a blueprint for other distressed debt situations, according to Bloomberg News’ Erin Hudson. The used-car seller won a second chance by eliminating $1.2 billion of debt, but it still faces fundamental headwinds. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Aidan Cheslin about the risks to Telecom Italia’s bonds as the company sells assets to reduce leverage. Cheslin also looks at the potential for Spanish tower operator Cellnex to become a rising star.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

China’s local governments are struggling to repay trillions of dollars in infrastructure debt, just as more property developers tip into distress, according to Bloomberg News’ Wei Zhou. A Chinese municipal default would send shock waves through global markets, but Beijing is at pains to avoid the moral hazard of a bailout. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Himanshu Bakshi about the risk to Canadian banks of a spike in mortgage defaults. The main financial institutions can withstand significant real estate stress, though their bonds may come under pressure.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Signs of life in collateralized loan obligations signal credit market healing, according to Bloomberg News’ Lisa Lee. But it’s too early to predict broad and sustained recovery as interest rate and macroeconomic risks abound. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Stephane Kovatchev about growing stress on the container shipping sector as demand crumbles. Smaller companies are most threatened by a steep drop in freight rates after a Covid-19-era windfall.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bonds backed by car loans are headed for their first loss since the 1990s as Americans fall behind on payments and dealerships collapse, says Bloomberg News’ Carmen Arroyo. Consumers are burning through pandemic-era savings and hitting a wall with interest costs soaring. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Paul Vickars about distress at Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water provider. Other companies in the sector are also running into trouble as inflation keeps rising, says Vickars.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Canadian pensions are piling into private debt, lured by fatter returns than in corporate bonds, says Bloomberg News’ Paula Sambo. But smaller funds are struggling to raise cash for the strategy as public markets get cheaper, and there may be more private credit distress to come. In this episode of the Credit Edge Podcast, Bloomberg News senior editor James Crombie also asks Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Stephen Flynn about the telecoms and media outlook. The debt of Paramount Global trades at much wider spreads than peers, but may be due for a correction tighter.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.