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Show Notes
Joe Swaney is co-host of The Shocking Details podcast, co-creator of the podcast Thinking Sideways, Portlander, and semi-professional Dragon Boater.
Joe's new show:
https://www.theshockingdetails.com/
Joe's old show:
http://www.thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/
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