"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis

Raza Habib is on the front lines of LLM implementation as CEO of Humanloop, a Y Combinator backed startup that helps companies of all kinds, small and large bridge the gap from API access to successful LLM deployment. Nathan sat down with Raza to hear what he has learned in the process of helping so many companies on their LLM implementation journeys – and he did not disappoint – as you'll hear, he shared a bunch of concrete examples of customer use cases, practical challenges that people face, and the strategies they use to overcome them. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Preview of episode (07:00) Humanloop’s mission and surprising customer base (12:10) Why a language model is so advantageous (15:00) Customization and understanding model performance (18:14) Sponsor: Omneky (18:35) Users graduating from playground experimentation to develop robust implementations (23:25) Raza’s two mental models for using AI (27:50) How customers are actually integrating API (31:50) Challenge of evaluation and feedback (43:33) Prediction: more fine tuning in the immediate future (47:00) RLHF myth-busting (57:12) Robust agents need feedback loops (1:02:27) AI productization challenges (01:07:32) Adopt or die moment for incumbents (01:11:19) Fast iteration cycles (1:15:45) Rapid fire questions for The Cognitive Revolution guests TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @RazRazcle (Raza) @labenz (Nathan) SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected]. More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/

Nathan Labenz sits down with Matt Welsh, the CEO and co-founder of Fixie.AI which just raised $17M in seed funding. The technology world's attention has turned en masse to AI agents over the last month, but Matt, a former Harvard professor and ex-Google, has been focused on AI agents for longer over at Fixie. The platform is currently in developer preview mode, where developers can build agents and end users can try them. Agents hold the promise of handling not only the core cognitive work, but many of the messy implementation details as well – the searching & finding, sorting through & scanning, signing in & navigating, reading documentation & using APIs – all the manual ad hoc routing of information for which we act today as human plumbing. -- We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Preview of the episode (02:08) Why AI Agents are so topical right now, and Matt's prescience with Fixie (06:40) How Matt started Fixie (10:55) How AI Agents "figure out the plumbing" (15:57) How Matt envisions work changing in the near term + concrete examples (22:40) Building your own agent (26:00) New threat model and guardrails of this new paradigm (34:48) Synthetic memories in autonomous agents (42:39) Examples of incredible use cases (48:00) Single sign on idea (51:00) Form factor for AI-assisted living (54:32) Matt's hopes and fears for AI TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @mdwelsh (Matt) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. https://www.omneky.com/ More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com Also, check out the debut of co-host Erik's new long-form interview podcast Upstream, whose guests include David Sacks. Ezra Klein, Balaji Srinivasan, and Marc Andreessen. Subscribe: Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/3z8TldL Spotify: bit.ly/40letd0 Music Credit: OpenAI's Jukebox

Nathan dives in with Alex Albert, a 22-year-old computer science student at the University of Washington, who has become a prolific creator of Jailbreakchat.com and author over at The Prompt Report.com. This is Alex's first podcast appearance! Please enjoy this thought-provoking conversation with Alex Albert as part of 'Prompt Engineering Week' at The Cognitive Revolution. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics Thank you to everyone for listening, and shout out to those who commented to let us know how you discovered the show – it was interesting to see the responses across platforms. We'd appreciate you leaving us a review in the Apple Podcasts Store: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1669813431 TIMESTAMPS: (0:00) Preview of Alex on this episode (6:00) How Alex lent structure to his jailbreaking activities early on (8:00) AI is fun and interesting and it's being overshadowed by hype and confusion (12:15) Does Alex see cases of jailbreaking for utility? (16:13) Sponsor: Omneky (25:59) GPT-4 is best for jailbreaking (33:20) Role-play jailbreaks can work (43:59) How to think about exploring black box technology (45:19) Training models to override bad behavior (54:55) Content filters are a band-aid (1:07:14) AI safety (1:13:02) AI models require scrutiny. (1:19:39) Optimism - humans will figure it out TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @alexalbert__ (Alex) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. https://www.omneky.com/ More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com Also, check out the debut of co-host Erik's new long-form interview podcast Upstream, whose guests include David Sacks. Ezra Klein, Balaji Srinivasan, and Marc Andreessen. Subscribe: Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/3z8TldL Spotify: bit.ly/40letd0 Music Credit: OpenAI's Jukebox

For anyone who discovered this show on Twitter, Riley (@goodside) likely needs no introduction – after all, he spent most of 2022 posting his explorations of OpenAI's text-davinci-002, and quickly became one of the must-follow accounts in AI. Riley Goodside is the world's first Staff Prompt Engineer at Scale AI, and is an expert in prompting large language models and integrating them into AI-powered applications. Few have spent as much time on the language model frontier, so I hope you enjoy this unique conversation with Riley Goodside. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS: (0:00) Preview of the episode (05:13) Riley's unique background (11:24) Riley's original narrow moat (15:07) Sponsors: Omneky (17:02) LLMs can take on ncreasingly complex instructions (27:41) Language models can do math (30:05) Models can learn from context (37:29) Fine-tune models for tasks (38:47) Automate instruction following (44:34) Large language models are alien text prediction (52:27) Avoid mode collapse by framing (59:05) Composing AI capabilities like Lego bricks (1:00:37) Language models solve tasks (1:05:37) GPT-3 solves real-world tasks (1:15:03) GPT-4's amazing capabilities (1:17:03) Multimodal abilities unlock possibilities (1:25:03) Compare models for best task fit (1:26:24) Compare models using trial and error (1:36:15) AI and the future of work (1:42:29) GPT-4 can provide second opinions (1:45:06) AI safety discussion (1:50:20) AI permeates society cautiously (1:55:26) The AI revolution underway TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @Goodside (Riley) @scale_AI (Scale) @labenz (Nathan) SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/

Nathan Labenz dives in with Jaan Tallinn, a technologist, entrepreneur (Kazaa, Skype), and investor (DeepMind and more) whose unique life journey has intersected with some of the most important social and technological events of our collective lifetime. Jaan has since invested in nearly 180 startups, including dozens of AI application layer companies and some half dozen startup labs that focus on fundamental AI research, all in an effort to support the teams that he believes most likely to lead us to AI safety, and to have a seat at the table at organizations that he worries might take on too much risk. He's also founded several philanthropic nonprofits, including the Future of Life Institute, which recently published the open letter calling for a six-month pause on training new AI systems. In this discussion, we focused on: - the current state of AI development and safety -Jan's expectations for possible economic transformation - what catastrophic failure modes worry him most in the near term - How big of a bullet we dodged with the training of GPT-4 - Which organizations really matter for immediate-term pause purposes - How AI race dynamics are likely to evolve over the next couple of years LINKS REFERENCED IN THE EPISODE: Future of Life's open letter: https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/ Eliezer Yudkowsky's TIME article: https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/ Podcast: Daniela and Dario Amodei on Anthropic- https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/daniela-and-dario-amodei-on-anthropic/id1170991978?i=1000552976406 Zvi on the pause: https://thezvi.substack.com/p/on-the-fli-ai-risk-open-letter -- We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. TIMESTAMPS: (0:00) Episode Preview (1:30) Jaan's impressive entrepreneurial career and his role in the recent AI Open Letter (3:26) AI safety and Future of Life Institute (6:55) Jaan's first meeting with Eliezer Yudkowsky and the founding of the Future of Life Institute (13:00) Future of AI evolution (15:55) Sponsor: Omneky (17:20) Jaan's investments in AI companies (24:22) The emerging danger paradigm (33:48) AI supervising itself (40:06) Evolution, useful heuristics, and lack of insight into selection process (43:13) Current estimate for life-ending catastrophe (54:20) Our luck given the softness of language models (56:24) Future of Language Models (1:01:00) The Moore’s law of mad science (1:03:02) GPT-5 type project (1:11:00) AI alignment with the latest models (1:14:31) AI research investment and safety (1:21:00) What a six month pause buys us (1:27:01) AI’s Turing Test Passing (1:33:18) Responsible AI development. (1:41:20) Neuralink implant technology

Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg delve into the upcoming economic transformation and the future of work in light of the threshold crossed by GPT-4. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics LINKS REFERENCED IN THE EPISODE: Microsoft research paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712 TIMESTAMPS: (0:00) Preview (1:56) Unpacking "There will be economic transformation," Nathan’s reflection after red teaming GPT-4 (4:55) A cross-section of prompts Nathan ran through GPT-4 (17:00) Sponsor: Omneky (18:00) Future of business and a new style of Taylorism of knowledge work (28:00) The “shrinking category of work” and a new definition of work (36:00) A future of “Muggles” and the 1000x developer (51:15) Are we facing a bifurcated economy and regulations from special interest groups? (58:30) Upcoming morale shift of white-collar workers and predictions TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected]. More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/

We've looked forward to today's episode since we launched the show! Andreas Stuhlmuller and Jungwon Byun are the co-founders of Ought, a product-driven research lab that develops mechanisms for delegating open-ended thinking to advanced machine learning systems. Their flagship product, Elicit (elicit.org), is an AI research assistant that helps researchers accelerate time-consuming workflows, starting with literature review. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. LINKS REFERENCED IN EPISODE: Ought: https://ought.org/ Elicit: https://elicit.org/ TIMESTAMPS: (0:00) Preview (2:00) Nathan introduces the founders of Ought (4:20) Why doesn't AI serve better reasoning? (6:55) What limits the current paradigm (8:40) Reflections on the last six years of Ought’s research experiments of "composable thinking" (13:10) Error elimination mechanism is a shared challenge between human and AI systems (16:45) Sponsor: Omneky (18:00) Interpretability by construction product philosophy (25:00) Nathan’s personal experience using Elicit as a research assistant (30:00) Explicit concerns about model reasonings, and the importance of going a step further (36:00) What customers of OpenAI Foundry should consider (43:15) Evaluation challenges (48:15) Embeddings challenges (51:00) Vision for a knowledge work assembly line corporate paradigm (56:00) Ought's short-term approach to building: Understanding human ways of teaching the model to be more helpful (59:00) Wishful thinking versus real helpfulness (1:03:00) What's next for Elicit: expansion and new workflows (1:17:00) Zapier for reasoning (1:23:00) What are the most fundamental "magic questions" for all domains? (1:31:43) Significant impact of GPT4 (1:36:00) How people are using Elicit (1:44:00) AI Uncertainty and reason for hope (1:48:00) 3 lightning-round questions TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @jungofthewon @stuhlmueller @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected]. More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/

Anton Troynikov of Chroma and Flo Crivello of Lindy AI join The Cognitive Revolution cohosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg to debate the issues raised in the AI open letter, which advocates for a 6-month pause on AI system trainings. This episode was recorded on March 31st and was first released as a Moment of Zen episode (airing April 1). Subscribe to Moment of Zen for more timely debates like this one! Also, check out the debut of Erik's new long-form interview podcast Upstream, whose guests in the first two episodes were Balaji Srinivasan and Marc Andreessen. This coming season will feature interviews with Ezra Klein, David Sacks, Katherine Boyle, and more. Subscribe here: Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/3z8TldL Spotify: bit.ly/40letd0 We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics LINKS REFERENCED IN EPISODE: Open letter: https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/ Scott Aronson blog post: https://scottaaronson.blog/ TIMESTAMPS: (0:00) Preview of debate (3:10) Introduction from Nathan and explanation of the AI open letter (8:50) Anton’s skepticism of the open letter (12:14) Flo’s skepticism of the open letter (16:35) Nathan’s support for the open letter (22:52) Sponsor: Omneky (28:00) Differences between Flo and Anton’s positions (34:00) GPT4 is still dangerous (42:30) Luddites/“Pausers” are on the wrong side of history (47:44) Why not pause for 6 months? (56:30) Anton and Flo debate robotics (1:04:30) What we’re all scared of with AI (1:27:45) Is there an asymmetric risk with pausing or not pausing? TWITTER: @CogRev_Podcast @atroyn (Anton) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @altimor (Flo) SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. More show notes and reading material released in our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/ Thank you to Graham Bessellieu for production.

Nathan Labenz talks to Google Robotics researcher Keerthana Gopalakrishnan (@keerthanpg) about how they train robots at Google, and how robots contextualize their environment and complete tasks through supervised learning. They go deep on integrating language models for commands and how to approach translating them, as well as the importance of robotics safety. Keerthana also shares how we’re using robots to better understand ourselves, personal experiences using AI, and her hopes and fears about AI's impact on society. This episode provides valuable insights into the current state and potential future of robotics and AI, with Keerthana's expertise offering unique perspectives on these fascinating topics. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics (0:00) Preview to episode (0:51) Sponsor (1:09) Intro (5:20) GPT analogy for robotics (6:51) Domestic robots (10:53) Description of Google robotics (15:17) Controlling robots and supervised learning (18:50) How robots complete tasks (26:17) Using data to train robots (30:45) Data operability (36:02) Integrating language models for commands (38:58) How to approach translating commands (42:49) How robots contextualize their environment (47:02) Approach to robotics safety (51:02) Tasks that robots can’t/shouldn’t do (54:08) The hard bounds of robotics (59:17) Frequency of inference (1:03:50) Form factor in robotics (1:08:38) Using robots to better understand ourselves (1:12:23) Having robot friends and spouses (1:17:44) Inference and latency (1:19:17) The Google Robotics team (1:21:07) AI tools Keerthana uses in her personal life SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive *Thank you Omneky* for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @keerthanpg (Keerthana) @labenz (Nathan) Join 1000's of subscribers of our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack Websites: cognitivervolution.ai omneky.com https://research.google/research-areas/robotics/ https://research.google/teams/brain/

In this episode, hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg delve into the exciting and concerning aspects of GPT4, the latest large multimodal model from OpenAI. Nathan, who was a Red Teamer for GPT4, shares his experience working with the model, using it for real-life scenarios, and how he found it to be human-level rather than human-like intelligence. Nathan also highlights some of its fundamental weaknesses and limitations and shares the most concerning elements of GPT4. They end the episode pondering the arrival of GPT5 and whether we are in AI's "goldilocks moment." We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics Timestamps for E11: Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg of The Cognitive Revolution Podcast (0:00) Preview of Nathan on this episode (1:13) Upstream: Erik's new interview show (1:41) Intro (5:40) Nathan's experience as a GPT4 Red Teamer (11:22) Catching the AI wave (14:30) Using GPT4 for real-life scenarios (17:33) Sponsor: Omneky (21:00) Human-level, not human-like intelligence (26:00) GPT4 weaknesses (28:14) More real-life use cases for GPT4 (35:25) Teaching AI to communicate within itself (40:25) GPT4’s limitations (44:32) Nathan's learnings from using GPT4 (46:56) Nathan joining the Red Team (47:29) The most concerning thing about GPT4 (1:05:42) GPT5 (1:06:42) Open AI's regulatory breadcrumbs (1:13:52) AI's goldilocks moment SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) Join 1000's of subscribers of our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

The development of ultra-realistic human voices is upon us, and Mahmoud Felfel's company Play.ht is leading the next generation of text-to-voice models. In this episode, we discuss the challenges and opportunities of automating a more human voice, as well as concerns about deep fakes and user safety. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics Timestamps: (0:00) Preview of Mahmoud on this episode (0:55) Sponsor: Omneky.com (1:45) Nathan clones his voice using Play.ht (6:11) Why Mahmoud started Play.ht and the problem they tried to solve (13:08) The job to be done for Play.ht & how they’re thinking about APIs and models (24:45) Mahmoud breaks down the architecture of Play.ht (29:30) How the use cases have evolved (30:00) New markets and opportunities with creators (37:00) Are we all about to become prompt engineers/directors? (44:50) Roadmap to other languages beyond English (48:00) Managing the compute(52:00) If AI-generated voices becomes a commodity, what will happen? (55:00) Why bigger companies are late adopters of AI tools (56:30) The long-term moat of Play.ht and other applications (1:00:00) Controversial voice-cloning and potential for societal abuse (1:10:32) Commonly abused voices (1:12:36) Rapid fire questions SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive *Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off.* Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @_mfelfel (Mahmoud) @labenz (Nathan) Join 1000's of subscribers of our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack Websites: cognitivervolution.ai play.ht omneky.com This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

People have long been imagining AI assistants. Flo Crivello (founder of Teamflow) is turning that dream into a reality with the ambitious project Lindy. Flo sits down with Nathan on Lindy's announcement day to talk about this unique moment in AI, Lindy's capabilities, single-use apps, and how he sees the global impact that AI-powered employees can have on the future of work. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. Anyone who mentions "The Cognitive Revolution" when signing up for the Lindy beta will get priority access. (0:00) Preview (1:05) Sponsor: Omneky (4:50) Flo demos Lindy (9:21) Security and user experience (11:55) How this AI moment compares to the Industrial Revolution and single use apps (15:00) The dream AI assistant (19:54) Competition and advantages of startups (24:28) Cost vs Quality (31:19) How Lindy uses user data (32:37) Context and data injection (28:11) Comfort with ambiguity (43:10) Use of guardrails and trust concerns (47:26) AI safety and edge cases (49:16) Impact on labor markets (50:27) Economic resilience (52:09) Future of work (55:49) Rapid fire questions SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive *Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Join 1000's of subscribers of our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack Websites: lindy.ai *mention "The Cognitive Revolution" when you sign up for the waitlist to get priority access* thecognitiverevolution.ai Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @labenz (Nathan) @Altimor (Flo) RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

How will GPT4 change the world? How will US-China 'racing dynamics' play out and what are the implications for AI safety? Nathan Labenz was invited to record a special "emergency" episode of ChinaTalk podcast this week to discuss the implications GPT4 will have for policy, economics, and society. Thanks to Jordan Schneider of ChinaTalk, and fellow "AI justice league" guests Zvi Mowshowitz of 'Don't Worry About the Vase' and Matthew Mittelsteadt of Mercatus. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. (0:00) Intro (2:09) GPT-4 emergency podcast (9:26) GPT-4 use cases (22:51) What GPT-4 can and can’t do (35:50) AI safety (45:38) OpenAI v. Anthropic (48:54) Governments’ role in AI (55:50) AI will improve physical health and healthcare the most (59:19) Facebook’s LLaMA model (01:05:55) VR/AR (01:08:59) Concerns with GPT4 (01:15:26) GPT-5 and GPT-6 (01:18:45) Optimism in the AI revolution SPONSOR: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real time advertising data, to generate personalized experiences at scale. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @labenz (Nathan) @jordanschnyc (Jordan) Websites: cognitivervolution.ai RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

We talked to Aravind Srinivas about competing with the tech giants, Perplexity's product philosophy and obsession with maximizing value delivered to the user per unit time, and the features that makes Perplexity unique. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. (0:00) Preview (1:31) Introduction & Context (08:06) Aravind’s vision for Perplexity as the world’s most truth-centric company (9:29) Raising the average IQ of the world (12:00) Aravind’s favorite tech entrepreneur (15:12) “Anthropics” - Building your own model vs user experience (33:00) Why is perplexity free (43:00) Talking shop: Perplexity’s tech stack and speed (1:06:00) Perplexity’s stance on guardrails on search (1:19:48) Forecasting weakly general AGI: The four criteria (1:28:00) Aravind’s perspective on OpenAI and the future of AGI (1:39:00) The Cognitive Revolution’s rapid fire questions: Neuralink implant? Most used AI tools? AI hopes and fears? Twitter handles: @CogRev_Podcast @AravSrinivas (Aravind) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) SPONSOR: SHOPIFY: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Join 1000's of subscribers of our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/ References & Shownotes: Flamingo: https://www.deepmind.com/blog/tackling-multiple-tasks-with-a-single-visual-language-model Decision Transformer Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.01345 Aravind on TalkRL Podcast: https://www.talkrl.com/episodes/aravind-srinivas-2 Weakly General AGI Criteria: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/3479/date-weakly-general-ai-is-publicly-known/ RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

As recently as January 2021, the challenge of "interpreting what is going on in a photograph" was considered "nowhere near solved." Today's guests Junnan Li and Dongxu Li changed that with their publication and open-sourcing of BLIP, which delivered state-of-the-art performance on image captioning and other vision-language tasks. BLIP became the #18 most-cited AI paper of 2022, and now Junnan and Dongxu are back with BLIP-2, this time showing how small models can harness the power of existing foundation models to do multi-modal tasks. We talked to Junnan and Dongxu about their research and how they see the trend toward connector models shaping the future. We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. Timestamps: (00:00) Preview (01:17) Sponsor (01:35) Intro (05:50) Convergence of AI techniques (07:33) Evolution of BLIP to BLIP-2 (08:12) How BLIP-2 unlocked multimodal functionality (12:43) The size, training dynamics, and optimization function of BLIP (20:15) Practical/Business applications of BLIP (29:43) Efficiency of BLIP-2 compared to other models (41:52) Two-stage pre-training (47:11) Architecture of Blip-2’s connector model (58:52) Language models as the executive function of the brain (01:07:32) Vision for an ultimate multimodal system and democratized pre-training for models (01:12:59) Useful AI tools in these researchers’ day-to-day (01:14:56) Upcoming projects SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive *Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @LiJunnan0409 (Junnan Li) @DongxuLi_(Dongxu Li) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) Join 1000's of subscribers of our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com Websites: Episode transcript at Cognitivervolution.ai huggingface.co/spaces/Salesforce/BLIP huggingface.co/spaces/Salesforce/BLIP2 Show Notes: - Original BLIP demo - BLIP 2 demo - BLIP is the #18 most highly-cited paper in AI - Image captioning comparison tool - Understanding images with AI - for use in language models and image generation - Image Aesthetics - Product & Model Reviews This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. (0:00) Preview (1:17) Sponsor (4:00) Anton breaks down the advantages of vector databases (4:45) How embeddings have created an AI-native way to represent data (11:50) Anton identifies the watershed moment and step changes in AI (12:55) Open AI’s pricing (18:50) How chroma works (33:04) Stable Attribution and systematic bias (36:48) How latent diffusion models work (51:26) How AI is like the early days of aviation (56:01) How Disney inspired the release of Stable Attribution (59:53):Why noise can lead to generalization (1:01:04) Nathan’s KPI for The Cognitive Revolution (1:01:59) Other use cases for embedding (1:03: 19) Anton touches on the applications for biotech (1:04:35) Anton on doomerism hysteria and what actually worries him (1:11:43) - Nathan sums up a plausible doomer scenario (1:20:17)What AI tools does Anton use and why? (1:22:55) Anton’s hopes SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive *Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @atroyn (Anton) @labenz (Nathan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) Join 1000's of subscribers of our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/ Websites: cognitivervolution.ai trychroma.com/ omneky.com Show Notes & references: -https://same.energy/ (Beta) -Wright Brothers Bio (https://www.amazon.com/Wright-Brothers-David-McCullough/dp/1476728755) -Ajeya Cotra article in Less Wrong (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pRkFkzwKZ2zfa3R6H/without-specific-countermeasures-the-easiest-path-to) RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. (0:00) Preview of the debate (2:23) Sponsor (3:10) Flo’s take on the AI moment and AGI (5:45) Amjad’s take on the AI moment (8:03) Antonio's skepticism about transhumanism (9:10) Human tendencies color the debate about agency (11:25) The inflection point is a jump in generality (13:14) AI's effect on coding (16:57) Weakness in current models (19:18) Bounties and the future of work (21:48) Antonio's skepticism around bounties (25:00) Who will capture value, incumbents or startups? (27:26) "All knowledge work will be automated in 20 years" (30:10) Who will be the biggest beneficiaries of this shift? (31:50) What AI companies should VCs invest in? (32:26) Sponsor SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data, to generate personalized experiences at scale. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @amasad (Amjad) @antoniogm (Antonio) @altimor (Flo) @dwr (Dan) @eriktorenberg (Erik) @labenz (Nathan) Subscribe to our Substack: https://cognitiverevolution.substack.com/ Websites: cognitivervolution.ai replit.com teamflowhq.com omneky.com Show Notes & references: Eliezer Yudkowsky: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FKNtgZrGYwgsz3nHT/bankless-podcast-159-we-re-all-gonna-die-with-eliezer Paul Christiano: https://paulfchristiano.com/ AI Feedback: https://www.anthropic.com/constitutional.pdf RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. (01:08) Sponsor (01:37) Introducing Eugenia (03:25) Replika’s controversial choice to limit erotic roleplay functionality (04:25) Eugenia's vision for Replika (05:58) Augmented Reality is the Ultimate Modality (07:52) Using Replika (13:11) Profound stories about virtual assistants (15:55) Eugenia on why Replika is more than just a painkiller or vitamin (28:50) Replika's business model and profitability (34:12) Users want their Replika to surprise them (36:12) Why ChatGPT is not a conversational model (49:26) Eugenia's prediction for the "next Iphone of personal AI" (1:03:00) Eugenia’s AI tools/stack (1:15:00) Eugenia comes back to discuss Erotic Roleplay controversy (1:18:00) Replika’s first reaction to users ERP (1: 22:00) How the product evolved from 90% scripts & retrieval models (1:24:00) The definitive focus for Replika to stay in a PG13 zone (1:26:00) “Normal” evolution given sci-fi depictions of AI romances (1:30:00) Current AI ethics on sexuality (1:37:07) Response to journalists misportrayal (1:40:29) Sponsor SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real time advertising data, to generate personalized experiences at scale. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @eriktorenberg (Erik) @labenz (Nathan) @ekuyda (Eugenia) Websites: cognitivervolution.ai https://replika.ai/ RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. 00:00 Coming Up 01:00 The Cognitive Revolution 01:20 Sponsor 01:39 Intro 02:09 Nathan’s path to AI 04:27 Founding Waymark 06:56 The future of AI is just starting 10:00 AI dramatically enhances human capabilities 10:50 Why we started The Cognitive Revolution and what to expect 14:55 Which guests will appear on the show and topics that will be discussed 18:59 Being replaced by an AI host 20:42 Unpacking the future of AI with “no new breakthroughs” 32:21 What’s underhyped and overhyped 43:46 The dangers of AI 44:51 Applying AI safely 52:19 Losing faith in technology 53:38 A new AI ecology 55:14 Facebook, Google and Open AI 58:00 Upside and downside case for AI 58:18 Sam Altman’s case for AI 01:09:25 Starting an AI company 01:18:22 Closing 01:18:46 Sponsor SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real time advertising data, to generate personalized experiences at scale. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @eriktorenberg (Erik) @labenz (Nathan) Websites: cognitivervolution.ai waymark.com This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. 00:00 Intro 00:30: Image technology breakthroughs 00:45 The Cognitive Revolution 03:10 Intro to Suhail 03:43 Sponsor 07:04 Suhail’s path to AI 12:57 Suhail’s vision for Playground 17:58 Suhail’s cancellation on Twitter 19:06 AI artists are artists 20:25 Non-AI artists feel threatened by AI 26:47 Suhail on defensibility at AI companies 30:30 Playground’s product roadmap 33:01 Suhail on good design 35:55 Latent space 44:04 Building Playground with lessons learned from Mighty 53:55 Monitoring led to 2x improvement in the product 55:53 How people use Playground 1:03:48 AI is having it’s mobile moment 01:15:12 Finding, investing and building durable AI companies 01:22:06 Suhail’s kid’s best friends may be AI characters 01:23:20 AI religion 01:24:16 Conclusion RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics SPONSORS: SHOPIFY | OMNEKY Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive Thank you Omneky for sponsoring The Cognitive Revolution. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work, customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real time advertising data, to generate personalized experiences at scale. Twitter: @CogRev_Podcast @eriktorenberg (Erik) @suhail (Suhail) @labenz (Nathan) Websites: playgroundai.com mixpanel.com waymark.com This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].