The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast

Julian Lowe never expected to be a pastor, which ironically freed him up to become one. He talks about what he learned at the Groundlings, in Music, and in ministry, sharing why he feels white men are afraid to preach the Bible, and how to speak the biblical truth to people who disagree with you. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes CONVOY OF HOPE Convoy of Hope's Hope Summit has an amazing lineup of speakers like Chris Hodges and Jennie Allen. I'll be speaking as well, and Natalie Grant will be leading worship. You can register at hopesummit.com/carey to take advantage of a special discounted rate. GLOO FEED Gloo Feed is the best way to stay informed about what matters, when it matters… without having to sift through the noise. Get all the latest research, updates on AI and the church, access to resources and much more. Join the Gloo Feed today, for free. Text CAREY to 46816 to join for free. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Many church leaders think of their staff as family. But if they're family, can you fire them? Jon Gordon has coached hundreds of professional sports teams and companies and explains what it takes to make the tough calls, including firing people you see as family. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes CHURCH SALARY If you have questions about church salaries, ChurchSalary is your starting place. Visit ChurchSalary.com/carey to get your free preview today. BELAY Download BELAY's free resource: "15 Tasks a Pastor Can Delegate to a Marketing Assistant." Text the word CAREY to 55123 for your free download. COMPASSION If you're ready to grow your generosity and answer God's call, head to compassion.com/carey. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Dan Heath, author of Made to Stick, The Power of Moments, and other seminal leadership books, talks about the six surprising traits of sticky sermons, how to design church experiences people never forget, why focusing on the problem is the wrong approach to leadership, what he's learned from Chick-fil-A, and getting people to change. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes THE CHURCH NETWORK Looking to lead your church with clarity, confidence, and connection? Join The Church Network, the premier association for church operations leaders and administrators. Whether you're navigating budgets, staffing, or tech transitions, TCN equips you with practical tools, expert insights, and a nationwide community that gets it. SUBSPLASH With Subsplash Tap, guests can instantly take their next step—whether that's filling out a connect card, joining a small group, or signing up for events—with just a tap of their phone. Each tap brings them closer to your church community. Head to subsplash.com/carey to save $500 when you sign up. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Matt Smethurst has listened to and studied more hours of Tim Keller's preaching and teaching than almost anyone alive. In this conversation, Matt gets us inside Tim Keller's mind, breaking down what made Keller's preaching so effective, his DNA, and even his rule of life. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes STATE OF THE CHURCH Get instant access to the latest research from State of the Church. Simply go to stateofthechurch.com/carey COMPASSION God describes Himself as compassionate, gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in love - aspects that describe His deeply caring, merciful, and generous nature. This summer, I'd like to encourage you to visit my friends at Compassion International to learn how you might grow YOUR compassion and generosity today. Find out more at www.compassion.com/carey. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In Part 5 of our Revival series, JP Pokluda brings firsthand accounts of how God is moving in college stadiums. He shares the Gospel with your Uber driver, server, and other people you meet, what's different about Gen Z and Gen Alpha, and why God is moving so powerfully now. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes BELAY Take the first step toward financial peace of mind by downloading BELAY's free Mission-Based Budgeting Guide today. This resource includes templates, step-by-step guides, and a training video to make aligning your budget and your mission simple. CONVOY OF HOPE Convoy of Hope's Hope Summit has an amazing lineup of speakers like Chris Hodges and Jennie Allen. I'll be speaking as well, and Natalie Grant will be leading worship. You can register at hopesummit.com/carey to take advantage of a special discounted rate. GLOO+ With powerful messaging tools, automated workflows that handle follow-ups and reminders, and, tools like the New Mover Program that help you connect with new families, Gloo+ helps you simplify your fall planning and lead with confidence. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In Part 4 of the Revival series, Nicky Gumbel, Al Gordon, and Stephen Foster explain how and why Gen Z men in the UK are becoming Christians in record numbers. They discuss how they're seeing generations of church decline reversed and what America can learn from it. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes GLOO+ With powerful messaging tools, automated workflows that handle follow-ups and reminders, and, tools like the New Mover Program that help you connect with new families, Gloo+ helps you simplify your fall planning and lead with confidence. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In Part 3 of our Revival series, Andy Wood (Lead Pastor of Saddleback Church) and Luke LeFevre (A Gen Z preacher who works with the Gather movement) discuss a prophetic word Luke received about an outpouring of the Spirit at Saddleback church. They discuss the prophetic word, what actually happened, how God is moving at Saddleback, and the implications for every pastor in America who leads large or small churches. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes UPWARD SPORTS Get your church outside its walls and into real connection with people. Right now is the perfect time to start thinking about a winter sport or planning for 2026. Learn more about what Upward sports has to offer at Upward.org/carey CONVOY OF HOPE Convoy of Hope's Hope Summit has an amazing lineup of speakers like Chris Hodges and Jennie Allen. I'll be speaking as well, and Natalie Grant will be leading worship. You can register at hopesummit.com/carey to take advantage of a special discounted rate. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In Part 2 of our Revival series, Jon Tyson does a deep dive on the history of revival, including a detailed account of what happened/is happening in the Hebrides and in NYC. Jon explores how to prepare and preach for revival, how to be sensitive to its dynamics, and what to do to get ready personally and organizationally. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes ONEACCORD OneAccord is an AI-based translation platform designed exclusively for the local church, by believers actively serving in the local church. With over 40 languages available, OneAccord would love to partner with your church to bridge this language gap. When you visit oneaccord.ai/carey, you can get a free trial with 3 hours of translation credit. GLOO AI CHAT Gloo AI Chat gives you the power of AI, but from a trusted, faith-based source. It's built for Christians, so you're not getting random internet answers. You're getting responses that are thoughtful, aligned with biblical values, and actually helpful—on real-life stuff like parenting, relationships, leadership, or faith questions. And, it's free! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In our Revival Series opener, Zach Meerkreeb shares the backstory of the Asbury Outpouring sparked by his sermon, which didn't go particularly well. He explores Gen Z's unique spiritual awakening, the power of humility and confession, and offers guidance for church leaders who want to see revival in their churches. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes SUBSPLASH Never miss an opportunity to engage your community instantly—with Subsplash Tap—now a part of the only integrated platform designed to simplify next steps. Go to ​subsplash.com/carey​ to save $500 when you sign up. PARKHILL Church design is changing—and Parkhill is leading that change. Today's forward-thinking ministries are moving from pews to circles, from crowds to true community, and from auditorium seating to vibrant, multipurpose campuses. With a scalable process designed to protect Kingdom resources, Parkhill empowers churches to join the 20% who see their plans built and their purpose fulfilled. Your vision deserves more than plans. Discover how to be the 20 at Parkhill.com/Faith. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Ray Johnston, senior pastor of Bayside Church in Sacramento, CA, reflects on decades of ministry and how to stay encouraged in ministry even when you feel done, why cynicism is incurable, how to finish well, and how to park your ego so you can raise up a team of all-stars. This episode is a 90-minute breakdown of what a long obedience in the same direction and finishing well look like. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes STATE OF THE CHURCH Check out the latest research coming out of the State of the Church. Visit stateofthechurch.com/carey CONVOY OF HOPE Convoy of Hope's Hope Summit has an amazing lineup of speakers like Chris Hodges and Jennie Allen. I'll be speaking as well, and Natalie Grant will be leading worship. You can register at hopesummit.com/carey to take advantage of a special discounted rate. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

One question church leaders keep asking is "what do I do about my boss/lead pastor? Enter Bree Groff, workplace expert who explains what to do when you have a bad boss, don't love your job, and the future of work. Plus, Bree talks about how to become a better boss and what kind of jobs are going to make the cut during the coming AI revolution. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes BELAY Take the first step toward financial peace of mind by downloading BELAY's free Mission-Based Budgeting Guide today. This resource includes templates, step-by-step guides, and a training video to make aligning your budget and your mission simple. ONEACCORD How do we serve those who don't speak our language, without skilled interpreters who also understand the Bible and church culture? OneAccord offers an easy-to-use platform, a friendly support team of church interpreters and sound techs, and flexible plans starting at just $150 a month. Best of all, our listeners can try it out for free with 3 hours of translation credit. Just visit oneaccord.ai/carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Major update to Carey's 2025 church trends with stunning new data. Gen Z church attendance has quadrupled (4% to 16%), with young men leading at 21%. US data shows similar revival patterns. Meanwhile, AI therapy/companionship has become the #1 use for ChatGPT, potentially worsening the mental health crisis. In this episode, Carey shares updates on the 2025 disruptive church trends and what it means for your church. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes GLOO+ Gloo+ gives you 15,000 texting credits every month—yep, every month—so you can show up consistently without breaking the bank. If meaningful connection matters to you (and I know it does), Gloo+ is your next best step. Head over to gloo.com/plus and start leading with clarity today. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Max Lucado talks about his new role at Gateway Church, how to carry the trauma and disappointment of a congregation after the senior pastor has breached trust, how to know if and when you've crossed a moral line that requires resignation, and how to tame your thought life. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes Spire Conference SpireConference is a transformative event tailored to empower and encourage leaders like you—through inspiring speakers—such as Max Lucado and Kyle Idleman—practical content, topical breakout sessions, meaningful connections, and more! Use code CAREY for $50 off each ticket. http://spireconference.gloo.com/ Subsplash Never miss an opportunity to engage your community instantly—with Subsplash Tap—now a part of the only integrated platform designed to simplify next steps. Go to subsplash.com/carey to save $500 when you sign up. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

What if our culture's biggest crisis isn't political, but spiritual and relational? New York Times columnist, bestselling author, and Atlantic columnist David Brooks talks about how American culture has changed in our lifetime and why he thinks it's overpoliticized and undermoralized. Plus, he shares how he became a Christian, his friendship with Tim Keller, and why he writes for 5 hours to get 1200 words each day. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes CHURCH PULSE Church Pulse is free, and gives pastors real-time insight into the hearts and habits of their congregation—how people are feeling, what they're struggling with, and what they're looking for from their church right now. http://stateofthechurch.com/ Global Leadership Summit The Summit, happening August 7-8, delivers two powerful days with world-class faculty speaking into the real challenges you face as a church leader. Head to globalleadership.org/summit and enter GLS25CAREY at checkout for 10% off. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

There's nothing like honesty when it comes to hearing people's stories. CCV Lead Pastor Ashley Wooldridge returns to the podcast with his wife, Jaime. In a raw conversation, they open up about their first decade of marriage in corporate life, how that almost did them in as a couple, and how a journey into radical generosity transformed their marriage and their ministry at CCV. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes COMPASSION Visit my friends at Compassion International to learn how you can grow YOUR compassion today. Find out more at www.compassion.com/carey. SPIRE CONFERENCE Give your church staff a place to learn, grow, and build momentum together as you hear from inspiring speakers—like Max Lucado and Kyle Idleman, hold intentional conversations, and discover practical insights. Spire Conference is happening in Louisville, Kentucky this September. Use code CAREY for $50 off each ticket at spireconference.gloo.com Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Lessons from one of America's fastest-growing and largest churches, Christ Church of the Valley (CCV). Senior Pastor Ashley Wooldridge talks about lessons he learned from a decade at Intel before working at a church, how teamwork trumps talent, EQ as a key to success, and why the pastor can't be the product. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes GLOO+ With the New Movers Program, Gloo+ makes it easy to send up to 50 personalized postcards each month to families who've just moved nearby. Activate your New Movers Program today by signing up for Gloo+ at gloo.com/glooplus. GLOBAL LEADERSHIP SUMMIT The Summit, happening August 7-8, delivers two powerful days with world-class faculty speaking into the real challenges you face as a church leader. Head to globalleadership.org/summit and enter GLS25CAREY at checkout for 10% off. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Derwin Gray talks about toxic masculinity and how it plays out in the NFL, the culture, and the church. Plus, insights on using ministry to heal childhood wounds and the challenge of finding the right staff in a growing church. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes STATE OF THE CHURCH From mental health, to Gen Z, to new apologetics, learn more about the research coming out of The State of the Church. BELAY Download BELAY's free guide today: 5 Blind Spots That Sink Your Leadership. With this resource, you'll learn how to navigate these leadership landmines with strength and confidence. Upward Sports Get your church outside its walls and into real connection with people. Right now is the perfect time to start thinking about a winter sport or planning for 2026. Learn more about what Upward sports has to offer at Upward.org/carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Fact: Many churches with facilities and money lack people, while churches with people often lack facilities and funds. In this episode, Carey Nieuwhof argues why dying churches should transfer their buildings to growing congregations. He addresses the 5 key objections to this transition and demonstrates why overcoming these barriers creates a win for everyone involved in advancing the Kingdom's mission. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes GLOO WORKFLOWS Workflows let you automate messages so you can stay connected without doing everything manually. And the best part? It's free! Yep—10,000 texts every month, no cost. Sign up today at gloo.com/messaging and start communicating with ease through automation! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Imagine if your biggest question was, why did our church grow so fast? Jason Mitchell, Lead Pastor of LCBC, talks about what you need to do to see a 280% greater spike in first-time visitors returning to your church, what's changing in preaching, and the emotion of succession. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes SUBSPLASH With Subsplash, move from scattered to streamlined—media, giving, apps, messaging, event management—in one platform built for the Church. Go to subsplash.com/carey to save $500 when you sign up. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

The Unstuck Group's Amy Anderson discusses how to know if your church is overstaffed (it probably is), the key differences between growing and declining churches, and leading a company after its founder dies. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes GLOO MESSAGING With Gloo Messaging, it's easy to segment your audience into Groups—think small group leaders, volunteers, parents, new visitors—so that you send the right message, to the right person, at exactly the right time. Gloo gives you 10,000 texts every month and 3 groups at no cost. Start using group texting to lead better today. Sign up now at gloo.com/messaging. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Has your calling become toxic? Biola Professor Arianna Molloy discusses the identity crisis most church leaders face: identifying with their calling so much that it becomes toxic. She also discusses burnout, how to get healthy, and the problems with boundary-shaming your team. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork ❗️Connect with other podcast listeners about each episode of my podcast, including me. You'll get exclusive insights by asking questions, sharing insights, and learning how others are applying the content in real life. Join for free: https://careynieuwhof.com/shownotes UPWARD SPORTS Upward Sports equips churches to share the gospel and make connections in their community. Learn how sports can impact your church and community at https://www.upward.org/carey/ Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Kyle Idleman discusses why it's easier to admit a fault on stage than to a friend in person, the times you feel like you want to punch a hole in the wall (and what to do about it), vulnerability, insecurity, and the spiritual gift of disappointing people. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO FEED It's important to be an informed leader, and it doesn't get any easier than the Gloo Feed. Join for free in 5 seconds today by texting "carey" to 46816. CHURCH.TECH Church.tech is the most complete pastoral AI suite anywhere: instant discipleship guides, outreach plans, kids‑min content, and more. Ready to trade editing for ministry? Visit church.tech and use code CAREY for 50 % off your first three months. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Chris Hodges, founding pastor of Church of the Highlands, opens up for the first time about being bullied as a kid, having an inferiority complex, and how that's impacted his leadership. Plus, he shares how to multiply leaders to craft a successful succession. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork STATE OF THE CHURCH From mental health, to Gen Z, to new apologetics, learn more about the research coming out of The State of the Church. COMPASSION As a pastor, I desire all people to accept God's compassion towards us and to live a full life of gospel-driven impact as a result. If you also desire this, I encourage you to visit my friends at Compassion International and begin learning how YOU can grow YOUR compassion today. Find out more at www.compassion.com/carey. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Carey answers your questions about whether there are limits to church growth, what to do if your elders try to micromanage you, and how to know who to fire and how to do it. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork UPWARD SPORTS By offering an intentional outreach ministry like Upward Sports you can engage families around your church and build relationships. Visit http://Upward.org/Carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Patria Lead Pastor Adam Mesa shares how viral podcasting helped grow his church from 1,100 to 7,500+ in five years, his experience as a millennial taking over leadership from his dad, and navigating the strengths and challenges of ADHD. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork BELAY Download BELAY's free guide today: 5 Blind Spots That Sink Your Leadership. With this resource, you'll learn how to navigate these leadership landmines with strength and confidence. Text the word CAREY to 55123 for your free download. GLOO+ With the New Mover Program in Gloo+, you can automatically send personalized postcards to new families in your area every month—no printing, no postage, no hassle. Visit gloo.com/plus to activate the New Mover Program and start welcoming your new neighbors today! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Ryan Leak has become one of the most sought-after preachers and leadership speakers today. He explains why he prepares for a three-minute offering talk the same way he preps for a leadership talk to a Fortune 100 company. He also explains what to do to connect with and leave a positive impression with your leadership heroes. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork STATE OF THE CHURCH The Church Health dashboard takes the guesswork out of important ministry decisions. In minutes, you hear directly from your people on how they are doing and the insights you get are incredibly helpful. Visit https://stateofthechurch.com/carey COMPASSION As a pastor, I desire all people to accept God's compassion towards us and to live a full life of gospel-driven impact as a result. If you also desire this, I encourage you to visit my friends at Compassion International and begin learning how YOU can grow YOUR compassion today. Find out more at www.compassion.com/carey. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Organizational consultant Andrew Mellen returns to the podcast to discuss the three rules he uses to help leaders organize their work and home life for mental clarity. Plus, why clutter is deferred decision making, and why you should never email a co-worker. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE CHURCH NETWORK Feeling overwhelmed in church operations? You're not alone. Learn more and register today at thechurchnetwork.com/Conference. SUBSPLASH Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and save $500 when you sign up. CHURCH.TECH Head to ai.church.tech and use the promo code CAREY and receive your first month for FREE. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Real estate mogul Mark Faris talks about going from being cut from professional hockey to becoming the #1 real estate agent and company in the nation. He explains what it took to become #1 in his field, how to break through leadership ceilings, and what every leader can learn to keep growing and improving. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork VISITORREACH VisitorReach is an all-in-one platform to help churches grow. Churches that partner with VisitorReach connect with 20 to 120 new people each month and see new visitors walking through their doors weekly! Learn more today at VisitorReach.com/Carey! GLOO Every month, Gloo+ allows you to send up to 50 personalized postcards to new residents in your area—welcoming them, inviting them to service, and making your church their new home. Visit http://gloo.com/plus and start welcoming new families today! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

John Eldredge asks whether 30 is too young to be a lead pastor (and what to do if you're in your 20s or 30s and leading a large church). He also talks about finding spiritual authority and the stages every man goes through in life, from warrior to king to sage. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork COMPASSION Did you know that partnering with Compassion helps fulfill your church's call to The Great Commission? Bring this mission focus to YOUR church, and then watch God use YOUR church to impact the world. http://www.compassion.com/carey STATE OF THE CHURCH Access the latest research being released about the church. Go to stateofthechurch.com/carey. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Levi Lusko opens up about navigating a mid-life crisis in ministry at 38 and identifying wounds that become a ticking time bomb. Plus, Levi and Carey explore the mixed motives and gifting of preachers. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork COMPASSION Did you know that partnering with Compassion helps fulfill your church's call to The Great Commission? Bring this mission focus to YOUR church, and then watch God use YOUR church to impact the world. http://www.compassion.com/carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Carey Nieuwhof takes the top questions young leaders submitted about ambition and how it works for and against you. Plus, he discusses media consumption habits, being a 'professional" Christian because you work on staff, and how to fire people (well). 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO INSIGHTS Track attendance, giving, salvations, and volunteers in real-time. Compare numbers year-over-year, across campuses, or even against national trends. https://gloo.com/insights Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Glenn Packiam talks about how to pastor in an age where no one trusts pastors, the church leader mental health crisis (especially among next-gen leaders), and the difference between being weary and being wounded in leadership. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO AI Train Gloo AI on your church's own documents, policies, and beliefs—so your team and congregation get trustworthy, on-brand answers instantly. Go to https://ai.gloo.com/ BELAY Download BELAY's free guide to delegation today: 25 Things to Stop Doing in 2025. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In an incredibly candid conversation, Gabe and Rebekah Lyons open up about their 28-year marriage. They discuss how they fight about everything, sex, navigating two careers, parenting, and how, despite all the very real challenges, they've made it through. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF PREACHING BREAKTHROUGH GUARANTEE Until April 11th, I'm offering a Preaching Breakthrough Guarantee with my course, The Art of Preaching. If you don't see a difference in your preaching, just email me by August 31st for a complete and immediate refund. SUBSPLASH Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and save $500 when you sign up. CHURCH.TECH CHURCH.tech AI is completely customizable to your church. Go to CHURCH.tech and enter the promo code CAREY at checkout for 25% off for the first 3 months. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Mark Sayers brings astonishing insight to the rapid cultural, economic, and political change we're seeing right now in America and globally. Carey and Mark cover why woke broke, the massive upheaval of the status quo being ushered by Trump and his cadre, and how to find hope for the church in the new global chaos. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO FEED Text 'carey' to 46816 THE CHOSEN The Chosen: Last Supper is in theaters now, and it's the must-see event of the Easter season. Grab your tickets for all three parts today at TheChosenLastSupper.com TENX10 Access your free NextGen Simple Mentoring toolkit. Head over to simplementoring.org today and download the Simple Mentoring Jumpstart for Senior Pastors. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In this episode, Kara Powell discusses why teens and young adults don't trust the church. Plus, Carey and Kara talk about why young women are dropping out of church, why young men are leaning in, and the keys to reaching Gen Z and Gen Alpha. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO Easter is the most attended Sunday of the year—and it's less than 3 weeks away. Are you ready to connect with every visitor who walks through your doors? Get Gloo Messaging set up TODAY so you're ready to connect when it matters most. Sign up for free at gloo.us/messaging. THE CHOSEN The Chosen: Last Supper is in theaters now, and it's the must-see event of the Easter season. Grab your tickets for all three parts today at TheChosenLastSupper.com Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Warren Bird and Adelle Banks share data and case studies on what you need to do to make your church future-ready and to experience church growth. Plus, they go deep on what happens when Christians become the minority in the US and the surprising reasons people give for not attending church. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork STATE OF THE CHURCH Check out the latest research about the Church in the United States. Just go to StateofTheChurch.com/carey. BELAY For over a decade, BELAY has matched busy leaders like you with the support they need to start delegating. Download BELAY's free guide to delegation today: 25 Things to Stop Doing in 2025. STUDIOC Take StudioC's Member Engagement Assessment to see how you can engage your people better. Take the free assessment today at thestudioc.org/carey Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Does character even matter anymore for Christians? If you look at the moral failure happening among pastors and the current culture politically, you'd think not. But the truth is your character matters far more than you think, and it's what the next generation is looking for. In this episode, Carey explores the critical role of character in leadership, especially within Christian ministry. Carey debunks three dangerous myths about character and competence, emphasizing that character is essential for effective leadership. Plus, he shares personal insights and stresses that character impacts relationships, legacy, and overall leadership effectiveness. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO Gloo gives you 10,000 free texts every month—no cost, no catch. Sign up today at gloo.us/messaging and make this Easter your most impactful one yet! CHURCH.TECH Interactive Clips by CHURCH.tech pauses during the video to ask devotional questions, inviting you to reflect on what you've just heard. And here's the kicker: based on your responses, it creates a personalized next step, help you become who God created and designed you to be. Go to clips.tech now and join the waitlist! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Mark Batterson unpacks the funding and church planting strategy of National Community Church. He shares how NCC went from 29 people to owning coffee houses and city blocks in one of America's most expensive real estate markets. We also discuss the truth of how 'success' goes from gradual to sudden. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF LEADERSHIP LIVE Super early bird pricing is available for another week, so don't wait—visit theartofleadershiplive.com to grab your spot today. GLOO Get your FREE State of the Church tools at Gloo. Go to stateofthechurch.com to get your free kit, and light up your own church health dashboard today. TENX10 I'm excited about Future-Focused Church, a new book by Kara Powell, Jake Mulder, and Raymond Chang. Their team at the Fuller Youth Institute has helped over 1,000 churches navigate change over the past decade, and this book is packed with tested strategies to help you do the same Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

In this live interview, Annie F. Downs returns to the podcast and explains what most churches are missing in ministry. Plus, she discusses the most overlooked group in your church, how to connect them, and the power of human connection on and offline. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF LEADERSHIP LIVE Super early bird pricing is available for another week, so don't wait—visit theartofleadershiplive.com to grab your spot today. GLOO+ With Gloo+, you get premium texting with unlimited messages and groups, exclusive access to top ministry influencers, and unbeatable deals on must-have church resources. Use code CAREYSAVE20 for an EXTRA 20% off at gloo.us/plus THE CHURCH NETWORK Experience the training and community you need to be a confident church operations leader. Get more information and register today at thechurchnetwork.com/Conference Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Mart Green joins the podcast to share how his retail book chain stayed profitable and growing in the face of the rise of Amazon, defying the odds. Plus, Mart explains Hobby Lobby's Green Family's inner workings and how he navigated the critical reaction to the He Gets Us campaign. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO How do you know if your ministry is growing and thriving? Visit gloo.us/insights to unlock valuable insights today! UPWARD SPORTS Upward Sports equips churches to run self-sustaining sports ministries in their communities. Learn more at Upward.org/Carey ECFA ECFA's new Leadership Standard is about creating a culture where boards proactively care for their senior leaders—supporting their well-being and integrity in Christ, not just as leaders, but as whole people. Learn more about Leader Care at ECFA.org/LeadershipStandard Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Surprise. The New Atheism of people like Dawkins, Hitchins, and Sam Harris has lost favor over the last few years. Podcaster and author Justin Brierley discusses why New Atheism isn't resonating anymore, the openness of thinkers like Jordan Peterson, and how to have conversations with spiritually open people. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF LEADERSHIP LIVE Super early bird pricing is available for only a couple more weeks, so don't wait—visit theartofleadershiplive.com to grab your spot today. SUBSPLASH Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and save 30% on your platform subscription and set up when you sign up with Subsplash as your exclusive giving provider. GLOO Texting is one of the fastest, easiest, and most effective ways to connect with people right where they are—on their phones. Sign up today at gloo.us/messaging and make this Easter the most impactful one yet! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Mark Clark talks about the difference between preaching to a pre-Christian and post-Christian culture and how to do both effectively so that you can reach people and grow your church. Plus, Mark and Carey discuss how to leverage your unique gifting and quirks. Mark shares how he's learned to preach and lead with Tourettes Syndrome and OCD. And he discusses how to solve the problem of life for an anxious generation. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF REACHING COURSE In The Art of Reaching—my course with Mark Clark—you get practical strategies, insights, and lessons to reach more unchurched people. STATE OF THE CHURCH I'll be co-hosting the State of the Church event alongside Nona Jones; with presentations by David Kinnaman, Ed Stetzer, and stories from pastors you need to know. It's all happening March 12 at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific. Visit stateofthechurch.com to sign up and take part in shaping the future of your church Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Christian Apologist Wesley Huff recently debated Billy Carson, which led to an appearance on the Joe Rogan Show. In both cases, Wes demonstrated a powerful approach to apologetics. In this episode, Carey outlines four best practices Wes embodied and offers five takeaways for every leader looking to engage the culture in conversations about Christianity. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF REACHING COURSE In The Art of Reaching—my course with Mark Clark—you get practical strategies, insights, and lessons to reach more unchurched people. STATE OF THE CHURCH I'll be co-hosting the State of the Church event alongside Nona Jones; with presentations by David Kinnaman, Ed Stetzer, and stories from pastors you need to know. It's all happening March 12 at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific. Visit stateofthechurch.com to sign up and take part in shaping the future of your church Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Craig Groeschel breaks down how he's changing and adapting his preaching and communication style for digital ministry, AI, and social media. Plus, he shares the power of extreme habits, how to motivate yourself and others during successful seasons, and why people are bored with 'cool church' and what to do about it. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork GLOO+ Start 2025 by reaching families at the perfect moment: when they're settling into a new home and open to building new relationships. Ready to connect? Visit glooplus.outreach.com today and get started! BELAY Take advantage of BELAY's special offer this month and download their book, Delegate to Elevate, for FREE. CHURCH.TECH CHURCH.tech AI is completely customizable to your church. Add your mission and belief statements, and it adapts to create content in your church's unique voice. Imagine having an AI solution that aligns with your beliefs. Go to CHURCH.tech and enter the promo code CAREY at checkout for 25% off for the first 3 months. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Culture expert Jenni Catron joins the podcast to discuss the signs to look for that tell you whether your church or company culture is healthy or toxic. Plus, she shares the power of culture in retaining and attracting young talent and how to discover your blind spots as a leader. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork EVANGELISM KICKSTARTER I'm hosting a FREE webinar on February 24th. In my Evangelism Kickstarter you'll get fresh strategies to reach new people in 2025. Register for free today at evangelismkickstarter.com. GLOO+ Church leaders, Gloo+ is your go-to resource for making this your best year yet. Join the fastest-growing church platform. Head to gloo.us/plus today. ECFA Today, more than 2,700 organizations proudly display the ECFA seal, signaling to millions of donors that their contributions are stewarded with utmost care. Learn more at ECFA.org/triumph Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

John Ortberg discusses the spiritual power of admitting your personal inadequacy, what the church can learn from alcoholics, and why the church keeps producing elder brothers. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork BARNA'S STATE OF THE CHURCH Barna's monthly State of the Church updates, powered by Gloo, deliver the latest research so you can stay ahead in this ever-changing landscape. Visit stateofthechurch.com to get a glimpse at the research today! SUBSPLASH With mobile apps, messaging, websites, streaming, groups, giving, and more—the Subsplash Platform puts today's most innovative church technology into your hands—so you can focus on ministry. Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and get $500 off when you sign up Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Dave Ramsey talks about how going broke, broke him as a person and leader and the difference that's made to his leadership today. He also shares his top business lessons and talks about the keys to empowering large teams. 🔗 Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork THE ART OF BUILDING A GENEROUS CONGREGATION Create a culture where mission-fueled giving is a core piece of your culture and not forced or awkward with my course, The Art of Building a Generous Congregation. ECFA Today, more than 2,700 organizations proudly display the ECFA seal, signaling to millions of donors that their contributions are stewarded with utmost care. Learn more at ​ECFA.org/triumph GLOO Get 10,000 free text messages every month to reach your church and take your ministry to the next level. Visit gloo.us/messaging to get started today! Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Tyler Staton shares lessons from his journey with cancer, including why he never prayed for healing, the profound transformation of suffering, and what he learned about leading from his strengths and relationships. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork CHURCH.TECH CHURCH.tech AI is completely customizable to your church. Add your mission and belief statements, and it adapts to create content in your church's unique voice. Imagine having an ai solution that aligns with your beliefs. Go to CHURCH.tech and enter the promo code CAREY at checkout for 25% off for the first 3 months. BELAY Take advantage of BELAY's special offer this month and download their book, Delegate to Elevate, for FREE. With this guide, you'll learn how to focus on your strengths, delegate your weaknesses, and become the best leader you can be. Gloo+ Don't miss out—join the thousands of church leaders already transforming their ministries with Gloo+. Visit plus.gloo.us and use code CAREYSAVE20 to save an extra 20% on your membership. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Ramit Sethi, New York Times Bestselling author, podcaster, and Netflix show host, returns to the podcast. Ramit shares his insight on what couples struggle with financially and how church leaders can teach couples about money. Plus, he discusses lessons from 20 years in business, why raising money for charity is so hard, and how to deal with cheap board members. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork SUBSPLASH Join more than 20,000 churches and ministries that partner with Subsplash to engage their communities and help their people grow spiritually. Go to subsplash.com/carey to schedule a quick, no-obligation demo and get $500 off when you sign up. THE PROBLEM OF LIFE The Problem of Life by Mark Clark won't just make you think—it will change the way you live. Pre-order now on Amazon or wherever you buy your books. It's time to stop just existing and start flourishing. Gloo Gloo gives you 10,000 texts and 3 groups for free every month. That's right—no cost, no strings attached. So why wait? Sign up for Gloo today at gloo.us/freetexting. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network

Only 1% of pastors say their churches are very effective at evangelism. Yet, 72% of people say they are open spiritually. In this episode, Barna CEO David Kinnaman and author Mark Matlock continue the 2025 Church Trends series and discuss the current divide between church and culture, the surprisingly dismal state of evangelism in the church today, and the missed opportunity of unchurched people's surprising spiritual openness. 🔗 Show Notes ☕️ 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork DOWNLOAD FOR FREE: 2025 Church Trends Leader Guide Highly Productive Leader Challenge On February 3rd, I'm kicking off a 4-Week Highly Productive Leader Challenge designed specifically for leaders like you who feel stuck in the cycle of overwhelm. Learn more at Productive2025.com Thrive In a free 60-minute webinar, Mark Clark, pastor at Bayside Church, will share the 5 essential traits that define truly great leaders. Register at thriveconference.org/ Gloo Gloo gives you 10,000 texts and 3 groups for free every month. That's right—no cost, no strings attached. So why wait? Sign up for Gloo today at gloo.us/freetexting. Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network