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Machine minds: How outsourcing thought to tech could be humanity's downfall
Season 1 · Episode 1080

Machine minds: How outsourcing thought to tech could be humanity's downfall

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

September 14, 202334m 38s

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Show Notes

We’ve built machines to help us make decisions in all sectors of our lives – especially in government. But we don’t understand exactly what they’re capable of and how they may evolve. David Runciman is author of The Handover: How We Gave Control of Our Lives to Corporations, States and AIs. He joins Ros Taylor in The Bunker to discuss “the machinery of states” and whether AI could learn to outgrow humanity.


  • “We’re still unsure whether these machines are going to be good for us, or kill us all.” – David Runciman
  • “What happens if we lose control of these things?” – David Runciman
  • “We’ve turned these machines into vast, bureaucratic engines … taking in almost every aspect of our lives.” – David Runciman
  • “AI has been completely transformative, for better and for worse.” – David Runciman


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Written and presented by Ros Taylor. Producer: Chris Jones. Audio production: Simon Williams. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Music by Kenny Dickinson. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production

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