The Babylon Podject Presents: PodSpace9

Episode Notes Jude is not well during the first half of this episode so it's a little rough. Also, Jude and Justen have some Dune Thoughts. Worm. Past Tense Part 1: This meeting could have been an email. 2024?? Chroniton plot armor. 2024 looks are just rancid 90s looks. Why is Dax so much better than Sisko and Bashir at committing identity fraud? How would YOU cope with getting thrown 350 years into the past? Some Captain chat. Some political chat about how ripped-from-reality this plot is. Past Tense Part 2: Previously on BabPod, some timeywimey stuff. It's scarily appropriate that SF is the setting for this episode. Jude feels old because Ana and Justen don't know Airheads. Kira's not great at spycraft. We have lots of thoughts, and not just about millennials. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Defiant: You know this is a utopia when the doctor can order vacations. Dax clearly thinks that Kira banged Riker. Because Dax also clearly banged Riker. You know something's wrong when someone is mean to O'Brien. Villainous Goatee! What happens if you put aluminum foil in the replicator? Kira being the A-plot main character is very pre-2001. Using the Maqis and the Bajoran rebellion as examples of morally grey terrorism is not ideal. Reading Enterprise logs must be sanity-wrecking. Fascination: DS9 does a sex farce. Bashir has significant leeway to diagnose colleagues as "assholes". Lwaxana Troi may be the galaxy's worst seatmate, but it is pretty fun to see her making Odo uncomfortable. What ARE jumja sticks? Oh hey, Xanthi fever. Sisko knows something's wrong when people want to cancel dinner. Jake has rizz. Lwaxana's Google Alerts include Odo, Captain Picard, and sex festivals. On the other hand, the O'Briens' relationship plot feels really grounded and realistic. We are joined this week by Nathan Polette and Steve Duda! You can find Nathan talking about comics, and Bev Crusher's history ghosting men on all socials, at @dazzleraoa. Steve lives with their partner and their adult cat son in a cave beneath Gre'thor. They often make guest appearances on Graymalkin Lane and can be found on social media @Howdyduda. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Civil Defense: Who gave Garak root access? Good Quodo content. Redshirt vape. Dukat hoist by his own petard. Garak and Dukat being petty bitches to each other. A good antagonist is a delightful thing. Flirting by threats of mass deaths. Elevating the stakes. Meridian: I guess the writers just watched Brigadoon? O'Brien suffers level: Third Wheel. Surprisingly, the Dax plotline is NOT the horniest. Jeffrey... COOOOOOOOMBS Discarded episode titles: There's no ground in space Low-budget Q Midwestern Jell-o Salad Forty-Seven BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S3E5: Second Skin S3E6: The Abandoned Second Skin: Sisko bullies Garak. Cardassians seem to have very good cosmetic surgery for a lizard species. The Cardassian Sleeper Agent program is weird. Cardassians use unlabeled data crystals. Cardassia has much more depth to it than normal "enemy" cultures, or even most non-Earth cultures. The Abandoned: Justen loves a hot pirate lady. Odo now has a room for his bucket. 16-20 is not an age gap that we feel great about but it's... okay for some reasons we lay out. Sisko and Miles dadding is great. The concept of the nature/nurture thing is good, but the end result strays real close to "crack baby". The fact that Odo is willing to throw his entire life away to save one orphan is great, and it's run over by the actual plot. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S3E3: House of Quark S3E4: Equilibrium House of Quark: Possibly the most BabPod episode in the history of Star Trek. It's not Miles and Keiko's fault that they were written in the 90s; it's otherwise a great example of a real marriage. Gowron caught the car and is now suffering. Klingon-Federation Enemies to Lovers Arc. We are in the Ronald Moore era of Trek and it shows. Equilibrium: w o r m. Jude loves captains cooking for their people. The Trill situation is sketchy as fuck. A long side conversation about Star Trek books. Bashir and Dax finally feel like buddies rather than horny dork. Jude torments Justen about Bashir's underwear. Sisko treats the Prime Directive like he treats Quark. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Part 1: Exploding consoles and fake shakes? We're back! The Defiant is a real Starfleet Warship. We all like to see Quark bullied. There was only one goo bucket. Teen Odo. Part 2: Wet Racists. Never exclude Romulans, they exclude you. You need friends to reality-check you when you want to be, say, a Starfleet Admiral. Somehow Odo is the least fascist wet fascist. We are now a Dragonriders of Pern podcast. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Bad Vacations The Founders! The Jem'Hadar! The show's metaplot! A Camping Trip! Nog desperately wants positive role models, and just shines when Sisko praises him. The Galaxy Class analogue of Worfing. Bad Kira/Odo shipping, good Quodo shipping. Eris is not a name with positive connotations. Season 2 wrap-up! Jude's predictions for season three: A lot more Dominion Jake turns to writing, and more Nog plotlines More Garak BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S2E24: The Collaborator S2E25: Tribunal O'Brien Suffers Level: Vacation/Unexpected Dental Work, use your judgement as to which is worse The Collaborator: An orb! Kai Winn is spectacular in making you hate her (GNU Louise Fletcher). Sisko is literally the only character who isn't a complete mess. Or maybe everyone in Bajoran politics are so thick that Winn's subterfuges are Succession-tier; Jude has a theory. The problems with prophecies. Tribunal: Directed by Avery f'ing Brooks. Odo has a rare moment of high empathic quotient. Everything hinges on a molar. Miles knows what happens when you go on vacation. 90's Casual Racism. The logistics of sex in a runabout. Colm Meaney thirst. How did Bashir become a critical intel conduit? BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S2E22: The Wire S2E23: Crossover The Wire: A painfully accurate example of addiction. Odo's back in wet-fascist mode. Bashir, just kiss him, for god's sake. Cardassians are catty bitches. Julian Bashir, ADHD Twink, and his boyfriend, Anxiety Space Lizard with PTSD. Crossover: The Mirror Universe is part of standard officer training. Kira is maybe the only person in Star Trek who does not recognize the name "Kirk". Quark's mix is switched. Garak is "Authoritarian Cutout #5". We're not sure how we feel about the pathway from "Mirror Mirror" to "Crossover" in terms of the political messages. Julian has a learning moment. Justen thinks about the Roman Empire. Rejected episode titles: D stands for Daddy Issues The Most Fuckable Twink in the Alpha Quadrant We are joined by James! Originally from Florida, James now lives in sunny Brisbane, Australia, where he works as a research scientist in sustainable livestock production systems. He can be found at @doctorjamesd.bsky.social and was recently highlighted as part of CSIRO's lead up to Mardi Gras at https://www.csiro.au/en/news/all/articles/2024/february/trans-in-transdisciplinary-science BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S2E20-21 The Maquis Justen comes by their star trek bullshit honestly. The Maquis The Maquis are the most fascinating political experiment Star Trek has ever completely whiffed. Quark out-logics a Vulcan, and Dukat is a weird little guy. Quark wants a hot alien lady to step on him, v. 200. The establishment of Dukat as Sisko's dark mirror. DS9 characters are allowed to have duality. The Federation is an HOA. Dax and Kira's weird conversation. We are joined by Steve! Steve lives with their partner and their adult cat son in a cave beneath Gre'thor. They often make guest appearances on Graymalkin Lane and can be found on social media @/howdyduda. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S2E18: Profit and Loss S2E19: Blood Oath Profit and Loss: A Cardassian with two names? A Meaty Slap. It's always morally acceptable to steal from fascists UNLESS it breaks trust with your romantic partner. How in the world are there no consequences for this outright murder. Jude questions the Odo Book Club choice. Flirtation via politics and philosophy. The increasing complexity of Garak. The increasing complexity of Quark, altruistic in the most Ferengi way possible. Ferengi running around LA after the Northridge quake. Blood Oath: Star Trek says trans rights (the meme). The Klingon makeup change, Doyleist/Watsonian/fan. Michael Ansara's iconic voice. Jadzia the science battle maiden. The increasing complexity of Jadzia Dax. Revenge is not something the Federation teaches--good thing the Trill aren't Federation. For this episode we are joined by Trill specialist Velvet. Velvet is an artist, actual play podcaster, and literal actual dragon. You can find her on Twitter and Bluesky @velvetthedragon, as well as on the Clever Corvids Productions podcast network. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Justen, Ana, and special guest Andy discuss the Borg, the complexities of Starfleet, and fan works. Also, what happens when Alpha and Beta canon collide with the fan work you're doing. Andy is a life long fan of Sci-fi in all of its forms and creator and co-writers of the Wolf 359 Project, an oral history of the Battle of Wolf 359. He also hosts his own podcast ‘The Great Derelict’ where he talks about anything and everything to do with Sci-Fi. You can find him on most Social Media as Andy3E, the Wolf 359 Project is @Wolf359Project everywhere and check out Tranquility Press here. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S2E15: Paradise S2E16: Shadow Play S2E17: Playing God Paradise: (CW: incest vibes discussion at one point). Shrek Energy. Dax's BDSM experience. O'Brien and Sisko's interesting comrades-in-arms relationship. Elixis would have a marble statue-head as a twitter avatar. Dax and Kira Bestie Mode. Shadow Play: Sisko is literally the best dad. Otherwise, a Very Horny Episode. Odo surprises Jude by being likeable. Springball has implications. Playing God: Cardassian Vole Hunt. Odo does not step on ants. More Trill lore, and we love it. And Terry Ferrel has absolutely found Jadzia. You're in love with a Dabo girl? BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes We promise, we get to the episodes EVENTUALLY. Armageddon Game: A true "O'Brien Must Suffer" episode. The triumphant return of the warcrimes airhorn. Jude makes Ninja Turtles assumptions. Don't jinx yourself in a room full of bioweapons. RIP The Ganges. These stupid aliens lost to a middle-aged mechanic and "the most fuckable twink in the Alpha quadrant". Does Sisko enjoy making O'Brien Suffer a bit? Nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Achievement in Hairstyling, just fyi. Whispers: Another O'Brien Must Suffer episode, in a new twist! Miles may be the best character for this particular plot. The main plot of the episode is "bad vibes". Children are goblins. Miles drinks a LOT of coffee. Or his replicant does. Or something. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes S2E11: Rivals S2E12: The Alternate Rivals: Humperdink! Multiple widows. Bashir turns the twink meter up to 12. O'Brien suffers level: old sports injury. Ketchup shenanigans. Bajoran Orphans Fund! Spinning neutrinos and gambling... And the solution is "explode them". Ma Kent is a Nigerian Prince Scam. Bashir has "grown" since season one. Jude makes a prediction about Bashir/O'Brien. "I didn't beg you, I blackmailed you." New rule of acquisition! The Alternate: Plegg invented pornographic DVDs. Odo's "dad" visits, accompanied by PATERNALISM. No, I didn't like the science because I was the science. This is a dad-heavy episode. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Justen (and Ana, once she remembered we were recording) speaks with John Concagh about fan history and deep, deep Trek lore. Warning: really deep lore. John Concagh is a postgraduate historian of the British Empire, and the writer of THE EDGE OF MIDNIGHT, a fan non-fiction work covering the history of the Federation - Klingon Cold War. He can be found at @Badsocialism on Twitter and Blusky. Tranquility Press can be found at https://tranquility.press/. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. Intro Music: The Gigantic Epic Day After Tomorrow by Sascha Ende Website: https://filmmusic.io/song/413-the-gigantic-epic-day-after-tomorrow Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Second Sight: Everyone is so supportive of Sisko getting back out there. They want Captain Dad to be happy. The fact that the anniversary of Wolf 359 goes by without notice tells you when this show was. Nog Sex Ed again. The sub-genre of one-episode Trek romances. Sanctuary: Kira's no-good-very-bad-day. We're not big fans of this episode or the portrayal of the aliens. The plan is really not good but that doesn't stop everyone from blaming Kira and Bajor for some reason. We use video game logic to give a better explanation. Paramount, hire Justen to write some novels. Quark is right. O'Brien Suffers Level: Dreaming of an empty ticket queue. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Jude can't do IKEA. Or social situations. Rules of Acquisition: Out of all the Starfleet captains, Sisko gets Ferengi. THIS is how The Dominion is introduced? This is accidentally a screwball comedy. The Ferengi work better in this show because they get to breathe. And they're all bottoms. Necessary Evil: A plasma storm is a metaphor for a station and its inhabitants. We're doing NOIR. Odo/Quark/Kira backstory! Bajoran fashion. Gul Dukat never stops vamping. Rom Skills! BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Invasive Procedures: The senior staff--and Quark. The lived experiences of Trill washouts. Jude has questions about Trill, and so do the rest of us. Bashir shows some skills. B5 crossover via stunt doubling! What makes Sisko great? Cardassians: Secret Agent Garak! Dukat and Garak have a... history. Sisko always looks good. Jude breaks the plot accidentally. Dukat never has an ounce of doubt. Keiko's continual lack of cross-cultural sensitivity. O'Brien never does what you expect a stock character to do. This episode really makes it clear how different DS9 is from all other Trek. O'Brien Suffers Level: PTSD BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Yes, it's a three-parter, but all three are GREAT. Welcome to season 2 of DS9. The Homecoming: Call your factions one thing and just roll with it. Every character choice for O'Brien is "working class hero". Gul Dukat's statement is basically "we're sorry we got caught." Wait, is this a B5 episode? The Circle: Kira's hunka hunka monk. The Bajoran monasteries must constantly be ordering 55 gallon tubs of baja blast lube. "Here is our traditional garb, the banana hammock". Odo deputizes Quark? Nothing says Bajoran independence like Cardassian torture. The Siege: Nasty fascist republican sex. Benjamin "Not on my watch, motherfuckers" Sisko isn't having the Federation's limp-dick hands-off approach. Nog and Jake are best boys. Trill are psychic-type and thus weak to bug type. Julian is dramatic. Jadzia gets even more depth. Odo and Quark are the two most married characters in Star Trek. O'Brien Suffers level: Ride or die for Kira. rejected titles for this episode: Their monks can fuck The ceremonial banana hammock Sure he's a sex pest but he's honest about it Nasty Fascist Republican Sex Hunka Hunka Monk No one touches Sisko's Balls BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes CW: Discussion of actual not-amusing war crimes, and religious extremism. Jude gets a promotion! Duet: People with the appelation "The Butcher of..." are always delightful people. This episode is packed with powerful performances, and the actors are up to the task of lifting this very heavy material. Bajor gets a lot of complexity that other species do not. In the Hands of the Prophets: Space Karen is back! Bajoran/Federation relations take a hit over education, but to be fair it's hard to teach about religious practices when the deities do in fact appear to exist. Jude twigged to Neela's nature immediately because O'Brien isn't supposed to be a sex symbol. Sisko Dad Mode on religions is an important and well written/acted one. O'Brien Suffers level: Religious War BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Jude bucks for a promotion. Justen is sleepy. The Forsaken: Wait, what is that music? It's... it can't be. It's Lwaxana Troi! The most DTF character in Star Trek. The Lwaxana/Odo pairing is spectacular. "The thin beige line between order and chaos" nearly killed Jude. Sisko is in dad mode all day. Has Odo ever had "the talk"? Lots of great one-liners this episode. O'Brien Suffers Level: a new puppy. Dramatis Personae: Alien fuckery! A new clock for Sisko! Nothing else in this episode matters in the least bit. At least the actors had fun. O'Brien Suffers Level: the audience suffers worse. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes The Storyteller: Get in the minivan, Bashir! Horny teens should not be in charge of negotiations. O No My Bukkit. DS9 learned important lessons from TNG in terms of how to treat teenage characters--specifically, let them be cringe and celebrate it. Ferengi kinks. Justen strays into blasphemy. O'Brien Suffers Level: Dal'Rok Progress: Let's talk about eminent domain. What the hell do self-sealing stem bolts do? Invisible seaming techniques. The long-term payoffs of this episode should have been better than they were. Jake gets a lesson in profit. Kira gets a little radicalized. If Wishes Were Horses: Turns out that O'Brien CAN tell a good story. Bashir's fantasy is hella problematic, because we all know he's a bottom. Random space phenomenon that appears once and never returns, yaaaay. O'Brien Suffers Level: Rumplestiltskin? Also: Baseball. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Vortex: A... changeling? Odo--authoritarian, utilitarian, or just childfree? Good old ass-forehead trek aliens. Klingon shift! Jude trips over the plot from season 4-7. Battle Lines: Kira's "secret" Cardassian file. Artificial purgatories are kinda shitty. The procedural plot is REAL BAD, the plot-plot is kinda hard to watch. Killing off the space-pope after two appearances? O'Brien Suffers level: Ochre Runabout destruction count: 1 BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

DIE Wrap-up with Kieron Gillen Kieron Gillen first came to attention as a comic creator with his 2006’s Phonogram, with Jamie McKelvie. Jamie and he formed into a gestalt monster that rampaged against the next fifteen years of comics, culminating with critical and smash hit the Wicked + the Divine. When not with Jamie, he has co-created books such as DIE, The Ludocrats, Once & Future, Three, Uber and more. When not making his own worlds, he has worked on Marvel Comics biggest books, such as Uncanny X-men, Young Avengers, Thor, Iron Man, Star Wars, Eternals and Darth Vader, (where he co-created Doctor Aphra). In a previous life he was an award winning pop-culture critic and journalist, and co-founder of Rock Paper Shotgun. The best way to keep up to date with what he’s doing is his newsletter. He hates writing about himself in the third person, yet somehow he perseveres. BabPod:DIE was a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Boss Fight: The group opens up. Also the characters open up. The context of people's lived experiences informs the media they make. Justen and Ana force Jude onto a soapbox. Open Table: Explain the fucking backstory. Chuck's heroic sacrifice is almost enough. The merits of a good ending. It's clear that Kieron Gillen knows modern games. BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Spoiler warning: Headphones moment from 46:10 to 47:53, and from 1:00:21 to 1:00:55 Move Along Home: Game time! Also, yes, Nog should probably not be teaching sex ed to a humon. What Trek character would be a good sex educator? Quark makes Odo blow on the dice, the horniest thing we've seen so far. Klon Peags? Dax hits her stride. Does Starfleet Academy turn you into a lunatic? The Nagus: Porny Giggles. Ferengi corpse NFTs. Side note: how were NFTs not a Ferengi b-plot? O'Brien Suffers level 5.5. Jake is teaching Nog to read? heart-eyes. Ferengi culture is built on middle managers... They should be gross, but they escape it by being ridiculous. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes TPK: The funniest possible Lovecraft explanation--and the only master who appears to be aware of his outside self. Personal horror is to evoke interesting responses, not traumatize the audience. BabPod lore! Lines and Veils: Wow did Sol get screwed. The Grandmaster gives Mysterio vibes. The d20's origin mirrors the Fair Gold. Different grades of disaster queers. BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Jude would take a bad Trek theme over Picard's theme, but hates ENT. There's some time travel in this episode because we had to re-record it nearly a season later. Dax: Dax and... Bashir? are in charge of Engineering? How wide is the Trill definition of "you"? Odo works better as a private detective than as an officer of the "law". Bashir is just immature, not full fedora. Is Garak a power bottom? Maybe, but Julian is not a top. Imagine being 200 and being around a hyperactive puppy dog 20 year old. The Dax trans narrative was not explicitly intended but it's amazing how directly it hit the mark. O'Brien Suffers level: Raktajino. The Passenger: Odo, you must take this intern. No one could have seen this twist. This is a pretty beige episode. It seems too early in a series to do the "this character is acting out of character" trope. We are joined by Velvet Dragon! Velvet is a trans lesbian and literal actual dragon. Find her on twitter and bluesky @VelvetTheDragon and on the Clever Corvids Podcasting Network. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Justen tells a Games Workshop story. PVP: Interesting choices. Silmarillion reference. No one noticed that Sol got bamboozled. Sol would have loved Nobilis. Vampire might have fixed a lot of this group's issues. Sorry Grant. RIP Dour. THAC0: We're on a boat! Howard Phillip Lovecraft is here. Jude would very much like Gygax not to make an appearance. Call of Cthulhu is not the kind of game where you get attached to your character. Sooner or later we're all spaces. BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Babel: O'Brien Must Suffer level Orange. Ominous Blinking Device time! Jude had severe empathy-pain for O'Brien. Sisko knows that Kira will always blame Cardassians first. Quark arguing he's an essential service is so 2023. It's very strange to have a Star Trek show that has currency. Captive Pursuit: Oh the 1990s, when being a sexual predator was a fun quirky character flaw and not a straight up bad thing... The Worst Predators make an appearance. The Ferengi are a "complex species", aka kinda gross. Odo gets Worfed a few times. The Bucket! It's a Good O'Brien episode. Q-Less: O'Brien Must Suffer again. Oh look, two of Picard's exes in one episode, must be sweeps week. Q is more fun when he's trying to do something interesting, rather than just getting back with HIS ex. You get real real bored when you're a god. Sisko is the most straight (but not narrow) captain. Bashir didn't show up to the game session. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Little Wars: 20+20. Complicated verb tenses. The origins of the Fair. H.G. Wells is a Prick. The Masters of DIE. Dual Wield: If your kids grew up any time after the 1990s and get Jumanji'd, it's not your fault. According to tiktok dice are a little easier to make than this. If a Protagonist's mom is Bad News, what do you do? BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

Episode Notes Past Prologue: This episode really gets going as the first post-pilot plot. Bashir is an amazingly dumb twink. Sisco's default setting is "Fuck the Cardassians". Jude loves a sexy lizard. A Man Alone: A lot of info about writers rooms and credits, sorry. Keiko/Miles trouble! "Take time to be comfortable with your discomfort"--Star Trek repeats Trans Rights. Law vs Justice! Lynch mobs probably came from Cardassians. Poor clones. https://trekmovie.com/2020/08/23/watch-dr-bashir-garak-express-their-love-in-fanfic-performed-by-alexander-siddig-andrew-robinson/ BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Risk: Chuck's luck only stretches so far. The daughter reveal is a hammer blow. Neither Justen nor Jude should play poker. Every page in DIE is a piece of art. The joy that comes from a party adopting an NPC. RIP Fordi la George. Hidden Role: It's not like Molly can die worse. Human Centipede Orobouros. The False Friend is quite a God. BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes Remember Wolf 359? Benjamin Sisko sure does! We meet all the oddballs and non-Federation characters (purportedly to get around various Roddenberry rules). Jude contemplates the non-orb-shaped-orb. Wormhole shenanigans! Religion! Ear Stuff! Sisko is Captain Dad. Star Trek says Trans Rights. Ana loses it completely at one point. Enjoy. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Episode Notes This is now a Star Trek podcast. Yes, after covering JMS's one-sided slapfight with DS9, we are now covering DS9. Get ready for lots of warcrimes airhorn. BabSpace9 is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by Paramount Entertainment and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music attribution: Original reworking of the Deep Space 9 theme by audioquinn, who stresses that this particular war crime is not their fault. This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii Find out more at http://babylonpod.page

Jude uses scrum in RPGs. Self-Insert: Charlotte Bronte? We start to get some answers, for what that's worth. Worldbuilding! What is an RPG? Children are sociopaths. The X-Card: Fate can only bend around one person. Not enough vampire fiction uses the mist power. Ash is a part of the world of DIE in a way the other paragons seem to not be. Being a monster does not excuse your monstrous behavior. BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

Mysteries in RPGs are hard to do. Wisdom Check: Leroooy Jenkiiins! Chuck continues to be the worst, and we enjoy not enjoying him. Except for Jude, Jude just hates him. Charisma isn't appearance. Mistress Woe would be Jude's patron saint. Legacy Heroes: Angria really doesn't like dictators. Sol never watched the prequels. We don't really know how they created their characters. BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha Ende Free download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1 Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network.Issue 5: Premise RejectionIssue 6: The GrindPremise Rejection: Humanitarian crises are a usual outcome of RPG parties, right? Jude gives The Orc Speech. Who made DIE? Ash has... vibes. Sol's character would be really annoying. Don't be Sol as a GM. The Grind: Dragons, war machines, what's the difference. All the characters are damaged in ways unrelated to their prior experience in DIE. Some interiority shift! If the consequences are real but the actions aren't, what does that mean? A long diversion into what a meaningful choice in a game even is. Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha EndeFree download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseThis show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

cw: monster fuckingLoooong deviation on the White Rat series. A big ol' dotted line between the horrors of war and Warhammer 40k. The inverse-Spider-man power question of "with great power comes great moral hazard." Charlotte Bronte??? Are all wizards nasty?Yeah, ok, this is just an Athrabeth episode. Jude talks at length about subcreation and how well DIE reflects this.Scott Paladin good, Scott Pilgrim dubious.BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network.Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha EndeFree download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseThis show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

CW: Eye traumaHonestly we probably should just cross-brand this with Athrabeth.We talk a bit about the philosophy of RPGs and our personal histories. Jude claims Jenga mastery. We all have seven sets of math rocks, minimum. How do you pronounce "Geas"? tell us in the comments. Jude gives a portal fantasy declamation. We were all shitty teens once. BabPod: DIE is a production of the Okay, So network.Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Music: The Horror Maschine 1 by Sascha EndeFree download: https://filmmusic.io/song/43-the-horror-maschine-1Licensed under CC BY 4.0: https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseThis show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

Hello, and welcome to the Babylon Podject. We are not talking about any episodes today, because earlier this week SAG-AFTRA released new guides to podcasters with relation to their strike. The guidelines for this rule defines rewatch podcasts as struck work. This is confusing because as both fanwork and critical content, we would not think this applies to us, but the wording of the statement does not include any exceptions. Another podcast shared communication with us from a SAG representative that states that the discussion of struck productions (including older shows like we cover here) is considered promotional and thus while we are not SAG-AFTRA members, promotional material would be considered scab work.As we wish to show solidarity with both striking guilds, we encourage you to still enjoy watching and reading what you like, but any release of new episodes will have to avoid struck work until an equitable agreement is reached.Where that leaves us is in a pickle. There's a number of things that we are excited about, and we have almost a dozen episodes in the can right now for our next series, but those will have to wait until we feel that releasing those episodes would not be a striking activity. Until then, we are going to get ~experimental~ and try covering some non-television and movie properties. We'll see how that goes, and hopefully we'll be back to doing our normal thing before I'm hate-reading bad Avengers comics.So, until next time...we stand with SAG-AFTRA and the Writer's Guild...be seeing you. And if you want a taste of what we’re doing next, here’s the music for our next series…whenever that happens.Music courtesy of audioquinn.

We're BACK! JMS and Amazon dropped the trailer for the new B5 movie, and Zathras brought out the ceremonial Emergency Podcast button for the gang to press. They recorded a podcast without pressing the button. No one listens to Zathras.Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings."The Voice" of the Babylon Podject is provided by Alyson Grauer, who can be found at @dreamstobecomeClips from the original show remain copyrighted by Warner Bros, Inc. and are used under the Fair Use doctrine.Music attribution:The Descent by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4490-the-descentLicense: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

S5E12 .EXES5E13 Return ZeroA discussion of the principles of rewatches..EXE: It's A Wonderful Life time. Tesla dunking. Greer tries to convince Finch YET AGAIN that Samaritan is the right choice. Jude hates the locked room scene. Ana scores a prediction win.Return Zero: What a series finale, especially considering their season order cut. Reese's long-standing deal (GNU Jarold). Shaw gets to be everything Team Machine wants her to be--but is still Shaw. Fusco knows how good he has become. It takes a cruise missile to take out John.Show Wrap-up: How was Ana right about so much stuff? It's nice to remember a time when good writing rewarded you for being right.Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by their original rightsholders, and are used under the Fair Use doctrine.Music is by Arne Parrott, who can be found at http://atptunes.com/This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

S5E10: The Day the World Went AwayS5E11: SynechtecyYES WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE B5 NEWS.The Day the World Went Away: Nobody really dies while the Machine is there? Minigun shenanigans. More needle drop appreciation. The ultimate mundanity of death. Fusco gets a yellow box. Dark Harold. Root and Shaw flirting during a gunfight is pretty much the peak of their relationship. Every teacher has had THAT student. "If we're just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.Synecdoche: Rest in peace, cocoa puffs. Poor Shaw. The President--irrelevant? New Machine Team! Only fictional billionaires are good. It's nice to know that what you're doing matters. A side trip into hating ET for some reason. Far too long of a discussion about bombs in fridges. Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by their original rightsholders, and are used under the Fair Use doctrine.Music is by Arne Parrott, who can be found at http://atptunes.com/This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

CW: discussions of a viral flu pandemic. Skip from around 6 minutes to 23:15 if that's an issue. S5E8: Reassortment S5E9: Sotto Voce Reassortment: This is about a respiratory virus. Be warned. Shaw answers the question of "what are you going to do, stab me?" with... well... Fusco throws away the camera from season 1. Is the show just lazily Anglocentric or does Samaritan only care about white people? We struggle a bit with Watsonianism and Doylism in this episode. Sotto Voce: Ugh this guy again. Fusco is upgraded to a yellow box! Root/Shaw is our favorite part of this, because the thing the simulation got wrong is root's devotion. Justen makes a Wallace & Grommet ref. These two episodes might have suffered from the season 5 cut. Connect with the show at @babylonpodject Help us keep the lights on via our Patreon! Justen can be found at @justenwrites Ana can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art. Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast. Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings. Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by their original rightsholders, and are used under the Fair Use doctrine. Music is by Arne Parrott, who can be found at http://atptunes.com/ This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

But first some B5 news.Shotseeker: Yay Elias is not dead! John's love language is avenging your death. The only thing believable about this technology is that NYC would spend a staggering amount of money on it. This episode really doesn't work in the context of its airing time.A More Perfect Union: The Great Filter? Shaw's still in a simulation, John's a stripper pimp, there's a wedding, root goes horseback riding. Meanwhile Fusco has to go to a tunnel full of corpses. Michael Emerson's Irish accent is... not good. Jarold shipping intensifies.QSO: root dress-up episode! 4 Alarm Fire, the best tumblr tag. Our headcanon is that root could burn water. Jude goes on a Powerbar rant. Dollar Store Picardo.Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by their original rightsholders, and are used under the Fair Use doctrine.Music is by Arne Parrott, who can be found at http://atptunes.com/This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

CW: 6,741 contains graphic depictions of non-consensual surgery and suicide, so if that's a problem you're safe to listen through around 19:30.S5E3: Truth Be ToldS5E4: 6,741Keith David Appreciation ClubTruth Be Told: TGI Blackbeard's? John does The Worst version of the "on two dates" trope. We actually run into surprisingly few characters who are not related to people John and Kara killed. The end of the boner music!6,741: Hoo boy. We're happy to see Shaw but gosh. root u-hauls Sameen around 40 minutes after finding her (or at least that's what Shaw wants). No kneecaps? That's a simulation for sure. Lesbian Death Bed Trope lampshaded and subverted, kinda. Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by their original rightsholders, and are used under the Fair Use doctrine.Music is by Arne Parrott, who can be found at http://atptunes.com/This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

BSOD: Team Machine is on the run, and we've split the party! This is a high stakes, high tension episode. Fusco may have crossed the threshold where knowing about the Machine might finally be safer. Remember PS3 supercomputers? A diversion into linguistics.SNAFU: We get a Freaky Friday! Somehow it works! We continue to stan Amy Acker. We also get a long diversion into the complex dynamics of indoor shoe-wearing. Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by their original rightsholders, and are used under the Fair Use doctrine.Music is by Arne Parrott, who can be found at http://atptunes.com/This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii

Asylum: Pneumatic tubes! Elias is classy during revenge, Martine dies a classless but perfect death. We doubt that Harold doesn't know what a pneumatic tube canister looks like. root's scene on the ledge is inteeeeense. If the bad guys don't have Fusco's kid he's functionally invincible.YHWH: Fetch quests! Fax machines! Harold seeing the results of his efforts, in many ways. Many antagonists get wiped off the board. Tell the god you created that you love her now and then. Connect with the show at @babylonpodjectHelp us keep the lights on via our Patreon!Justen can be found at @justenwritesAna can be found at @The_Mianaai, and also made our show art.Both Ana and Justen can also be found on The Compleat Discography, a Discworld re-read podcast.Jude Vais can be found at @eremiticjude. His other work can be found at Athrabeth - a Tolkien Podcast and at Garbage of the Five Rings.Clips from the original show remain copyrighted by their original rightsholders, and are used under the Fair Use doctrine.Music is by Arne Parrott, who can be found at http://atptunes.com/This show is edited and produced by Aaron Olson, who can be found at @urizenxvii