April 01, 1999: Psychedelic Substances - Terence McKenna
The Art Bell Archive · Arthur William Bell III
June 7, 20242h 40m
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Show Notes
Art Bell welcomes ethnobotanist and philosopher Terence McKenna from his home on the slopes of Mauna Loa in Hawaii for a wide-ranging conversation about psychedelic substances, consciousness, and the nature of time. McKenna argues that cultures selectively stigmatize certain substances while glorifying others, and that altering consciousness is as old as humanity itself. He describes his current work cataloging hallucinogenic botany and discusses DMT, a compound produced naturally in the human brain, and its potential connection to near-death experiences and deep dream states.
The discussion shifts to McKenna's theory of novelty, which holds that the universe is a system that produces and conserves increasing complexity over time. He draws parallels between Art's concept of "the quickening" and his own notion of concrescence, both pointing toward an accelerating series of climactic transformations in human civilization. McKenna cites the Italian Renaissance and the Greek Enlightenment as historical spikes of concentrated novelty.
Persistent power outages throughout the broadcast provide an unintended demonstration of technological fragility as the two discuss Y2K preparedness. McKenna advises listeners in dense urban areas to consider temporary relocation, estimating roughly 72 hours of social breakdown before systems could be restored.
The discussion shifts to McKenna's theory of novelty, which holds that the universe is a system that produces and conserves increasing complexity over time. He draws parallels between Art's concept of "the quickening" and his own notion of concrescence, both pointing toward an accelerating series of climactic transformations in human civilization. McKenna cites the Italian Renaissance and the Greek Enlightenment as historical spikes of concentrated novelty.
Persistent power outages throughout the broadcast provide an unintended demonstration of technological fragility as the two discuss Y2K preparedness. McKenna advises listeners in dense urban areas to consider temporary relocation, estimating roughly 72 hours of social breakdown before systems could be restored.