Talking About Birds: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

Nate & Ben discuss Ultraman, callsigns, joining the military, gobble gobble, buckles on hats?, Nolan Arenado and his stance on trades, gobble gobble, the likelihood of a trade, where a trade makes the most sense, DudeWaffles and the Dodgers, gobble gobble, hot tubs, Alec Bohm, the non-tendered list and how they could fit on the Cardinals. 2022, and much (gobble gobble) much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Megalopolis, Tink Hence, Tekoah Roby, Matt Koperniak, Matt Svanson, Drew Rom, Masynn Winn living in Snub City, marinating before cooking, Ryan Helsley winning the Hoffman award, Bob doin' a Bob, Brent Rooker, the RoY, MoY, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss drinking tea, being old, things maybe changing or maybe not changing at all, deciphering John Mozeliak, what to do with Arenado, envisioning a world without Arenado, the Cardinals new TV deal, Saggese's imressive AFL, Max Scherzer?!?!, the top free agents, and much much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben are joined by Daniel Shoptaw (@C70) to discuss Halloween, our favorite sweet treats and ballpark eats, Blogger day's future, Willson Contreras the new Cardinals 1B, Sonny Gray's future, Arenado's future, the Gold Glove SNUBBING, all the payroll cuts, who to trade, all the catchers, Packy Naughton!, the World Series conclusion, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Halloween, clowns, Chicago, the art institute of chicago, the evolution of player development and player performance organizations, not being mad about the Cardinals anymore (or at least trying to), expanding the coaching staff, the world series, Lance Lynn, what to do with Gibson, the possibility of trading Mikolas and/or Matz, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss favorite horror films, make a few recommendations, the return of Jon Jay (all rise!), Chaim Bloom's start to re-populating the coaching staff and front office, new hitting coach, new player dev, so much new, excitement for the future, Gold Glove nominees, living in SnubVille with Siani, the World Series, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss little choo-choos, zombie road, our Cardinals zombie survival squads (yes, it's 2009 again), Terrifier, the Wild Robot, the fact that we don't have a ton of Cardinal news to discuss, the Arizona Fall League and who the Cardinals have sent, Saggese's role in 2025, the rise of Jimmy Crooks, what to do with all these catchers?!?!?, Dirty "the clutch" Daniel Descalso, and much much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss race weekend, Turner Ward, Jeff Albert (who?), trading Ryan Helsley and the potential return, gorillas, bringing back Matt Carpenter?!?!?, Diamond Sports, MLB.tv, Bloom's upcoming hiring spree, what to do with Gibson and Lynn, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Charlie Blackmon, Polar Pasta (again), dying on pike's peak (again), the MO' Cowbell race, Katie Woo's article and Mo's legacy, the coaching staff, being mad and frustrated at all of that, the press conference, hope and optimism about Chaim Bloom, what to do this offseason, who to trade, the playoffs, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Ben's travels, little dune buggies, hot sauce, living that beach life, Sonny Gray, Quinn Matthews, the 2025 rotation, dropping attendance, end of season press conference and what we expect, Chaim Bloom's role, Brendan Donovan being awesome, Masyn Winn being awesome, extending young players, what to do with Arenado :(, McGreevy's nice start, and much more as we wrap up the 2024 regular season! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate is joined by Kelsey Burd (@kburdtweets, "Peace, Love, and Baseball) to discuss moving to Philly, loving the sport, appreciating Roberto Clemente, diving deep into the award nominations, what to do with our beloved Paul Goldschmidt, head fans and heart fans, why we keep watching, how bad mlbtv is, Arenado being stung by a bee, Matt Adams triumphant return, and much more!Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the Pacific Northwest, traveling to islands, the call up of Thomas Saggese and what to do with him, how you find ABs for everyone, what the Cardinals priority should be, VS2 and bad communication, sore throats, the return of Lance Lynn, the Cardinals HoF, Gary LaRoque's departure, what to do with Miles Mikolas, Nolan Gorman, Chase Davis, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss riding a choo-choo up a mountain for a cheeseburger, predicting Juan Soto because of a card shark, staying positive and enjoying baseball, what to do with Steven Matz, enjoying Michael Siani, it was a catch, the return of Jordan Walker, bye bye Pham, Goldy's hotness, a glimmer of hope, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss learning to surf, traveling from the future, dealing with the fact that the Cardinals season is essentially over, ROB, Shawn Armstrong, Carlson, where we go from here, stadium attendance, and much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Ben is joined by the PodFather himself, Daniel Shoptaw while Nate is off galavanting in Bali. Ben and Daniel try to find something positive to talk about in the face of the Cardinals recent struggles and place in the standings. They discuss the recent roster churn as the Cardinals send Walker back to AAA and kick Cardinals Legend Brandon Crawford to the curb. We explore the idea of the Cardinals FO and player staff being gutted, like a fish and if the team is eliminated from contention will Oli be eliminated from his job? All this and a lot more!Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the thrilling conclusion of the summer race, Matt Carpenter's "injury" and his future, the return of Jordan Walker and whether that's a good idea or not, the return of ROB and the loss of Robertson, Goldy and Arenado starting to heat up?, how the Cardinals return to relevancy, winning the central, and much much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss their upcoming race, lake meat, shorts, more about shorts, just a lot of shorts talk, Siani's injury and the impact, the return of VS2, Lance Lynn and the future of the rotation, Fedde, Armstrong, Matz(?), ROB (Riley O'Brien), and much, much, more!

Nate & Ben discuss visiting a ren fair, playing D&D, the anti-climactic trade deadline (league-wide), the huge deal Mo' pulled off, loving Tommy Edman, being excited about Fedde, the return! of Tommy Pham, how the trade deadline went for the rest of the NL Central and the teams competing for the Wild Card, and how the playoff race IS ON!!!!Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss a new exciting food item, fixing the extra innings rules, the upcoming trade deadline, which pitchers would make the most sense for the Cardinals to acquire, who they will likely trade to acquire said pitchers, why we will be wrong about it all anyway, and much much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: (848) 48-BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss NEW YORK CITY, taxi colors, MARGE the greatest woman ever, pizza!, the home run derby, the all star game, the draft!, JJ Wetherholt the cowboy and future star, how hyped we are for JJ, JJ projections, some of the rest of the draft, Helsley walking the red carpet, the joy of Masyn Winn, Sonny Gray's Cy Young candidacy, first half MVPs, biggest question marks in the second half, and much much more! Have a question or comment for the show? Text or leave us a voicemail at: 848-48BIRDS (848-482-4737)Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Ben's first MLS game, Rapid Man!, Adam Wainwright's country music takeover, feeling good about the St. Louis Cardinals?, Ryan Helsley and the All Star Game, going to NEW YORK CITY!, a division race, Willson Contreras and being awesome, Chris Roycroft's emergence, the return of NOOOOOT, what to do with Tommy Edman, and much much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the 4th of July, respecting the doggies and the kitties, Wonka, CALLING UP LUKEN BAKER, finding ABs for Luken Baker, the best centerfielder in baseball, not giving up home runs, not hitting a ton of home runs, Alec Burleson, Donny, Graceffo's promotion!, Jacob Bosiokovic, the return of Noot, the futures game, Tink Hence and Quinn Matthews, and much much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss A CHALLENGE, the recent Cardinals success, the return of Willson, feeling okay about the Cardinals, feeling uneasy still, the trade deadline, the mysterious entity known as Tommy Edman, Matz' setback, Nootbaars return and what it means for the team, winning games, the trade deadline, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Dads & Grads, Ben's race, Pikachu sliders, Pedro Pages, staying positive, not being positive, Miles Mikolas' stretch of dominance, the quieted offense, how the offense can get loud again, the return of Willson and the curse of too many catchers, what to do with Steven Matz, what to do with Tommy Edman, the Rickwood game, Willie Mays, and much more!

Nate & Ben discuss ben's upcoming Pokemon car race, visiting Busch Stadium for Blogger/Podcaster day, hugging other podcasters, eating too many hot dogs, burning hands with hot cheese, asking Mo "great questions," Mo's eventual obvious retirement, pitching labs, the return of Willson, Miles Mikolas being good, what to do with Steven Matz, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Ben's first 5k, trying to water sky, the upcoming Bloggers + Podcasters day at Busch Stadium, the loss of Nootbaar, Gio DudeWaffle's return, Jose Fermin's role, Pallante the starter, a very strong offensive May, the sadness that is Arenado, Masyn Winn on the rise, the dominant bullpen and it's path to being not dominant, solving the 5th starter, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben are joined by Dan Szymborski (Fangraphs, ZIPs) to discuss cats, Arby's, video games, the creation of ZIPs, adjusting projections as the game evolves, how teams utilize internal metrics vs what the rest of the world uses, the long term problems with the Cardinals and the overall issue with how baseball is set up, more video games, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate is abroad for this weeks show and friend of the show Kyle Reis joins Ben! They discuss the rough start to the season, Sonny Gray and the death of the machismo baseball player, what the Cardinals are doing well and not so well when it comes to developing pitchers. They also chat about rising and falling prospects in the system, why the future may be brighter than we thought and if cereal is a soup? #breakfestsoupTalking About Birds is listener support on Patreon, support the show and join our private discord server at: https://www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds

Nate & Ben discuss starting a feud like Drake and Kendrick, going to a White Sox game, Star Wars & Star Trek, the confusing situation the Cardinals find themselves in, the potential resurgence of the offense, remembering its against the the Angels, how bad the Angels are, bring back Jordan Walker, Dylan Carlson vs Siani, Matt Carpenter the Professional Hitter, how quickly the rotation became bad again, the Cardinals dwindling playoff odds, considering the future, the trade deadline, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Cinco de Mayo, the millennial event of the year, the injury to Willson Contreras, Herrera and Pages as backups, Gallegos (dudewaffles) a d the mysterious case of should impingements, Roycroft, Mycroft Holmes, Dylan Carlson's return, the terrible series against the White Sox, the return of mCarp, Matz and his replacement, fixing the home run problem on both sides, why we can still have hope, the series against the Brewers and the series against the Angels, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the fishing trip, falling out of boats, BEES, SO MANY BEES, the Cardinals mediocre April, the rise of Alec Burleson (CHIEF BEEF), Goldy and his always bad April, the Cardinals overall lack of power and how to fix it, the killer trio at the end of the bullpen, Dylan Carlson's imminent return, the starting pitching and possible upcoming collapse, regressing to the mean, the upcoming series against the White Sox, the upcoming series against the Mets, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss 2024 Coachella, the upcoming fishing tournament, going to Busch Stadium, Paul Goldschmidt's characteristically slow start, Jordan Walker's demotion, Zach Thompson, Jose Fermin, Andre Pallante and the maybe just starting to crumble rotation, Nick Robertson and the probably really good bullpen despite John King, the complete lack of power, the Cardinals maybe starting to show some power, the upcoming series against the Mets, the upcoming series against the Tigers, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the Cardinal 5k, Dune 2, RIP WHITEY HERZOG, the return of NOOOOT, Sonny Gray's dominance, Nolan Arenado waking up, Masyn Winn ascending, the two catcher combo, Lance Lynn, Tommy Edman's return, saying no to taxpayer funded ballparks, the upcoming series against the Brewers, the series against the DBacks, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss going to live baseball games, hot dogs, the upcoming Cardinals 5k, sleeping through a 5k, Sonny Gray's debut, the overall pretty okay Cardinal starting pitching, the overall pretty good bullpen, the young guys stepping up, the old guys not looking great, the ghost of Tommy Edman's eventual return, platelet rich injections, the Diamondbacks, the Athletics, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the START OF THE 2024 SEASON!!!!!, Chip Caray's terrible voice, the sweaty see through jerseys, the fucking Dodgers, feeling good about the start, Mike The Turtle Shildt, why we are happy with the pitching, why we aren't happy with the pitching, VSII's comfort at the bigs, Donovan's continued surge, and much more!

Nate & Ben celebrate opening day!, discuss opening day traditions, a trip to driveline, going for the hole, the sad reality of Dylan Carlson, the joy of VSII, Jordan Walker's big scary body, Michael Siani and the no good very bad bench, or maybe the bench isn't bad, Zach Thompson's rise to the rotation, the confusing case of Matt Liberatore, a breakdown of the series against the Dodgers, the series against the Padres, the fact that we have series to talk about, and much more!

Nate is back! and joins Ben to discuss Mediterranean food, horse, A League of Their Own, the Oliver Marmol extension, Lars Nootbaar's ribs, Keynan Middleton's forearm, Sonny Gray's hamstring, Miles Mikolas, a breakdown of Stuff+ and why you can still be excited about Cardinal pitching, a preview of the 2024 Cubs, league news, and much more!Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Ben is joined by the PodFather, Daniel Shoptaw, while Nate is off in Europe. They discuss Dune, the various health related problems the Cardinals are facing and the Dylan Cease trade. Shoulda, coulda the Cardinals matched the haul the Padres sent to the White Sox? Will Nate make it back from his trip? Robo umps are coming!Ben and Daniel also break down the Brewers, catch up on league news and play a game!Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss IT Bands, speaking at college classes, Albert Pujols as a manager, Sonny Gray's injury what it means for the rotation, feeling hyped about some of the rotation options, Tommy Edman's return and Carlson's role on the team, Steven Matz, Lance Lynn, Brandon Crawford, an overview of the highly talented and highly volatile Reds, and much more!Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the terrible Oakland A's, Mo' saving the off-season with the greatest FA signing of all time, where Brandon Crawford fits in, Winn's development, Sonny Gray as opening day starter, Nolan Arenado, who is standing out in early Spring, the Cardinals vs LHP, NL Central Preview focused on the Pittsburgh Pirates, Cody Bellinger, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the start of our 3rd year as a podcast!, Cardinal baseball being on TV THIS WEEKEND, the end of a very interesting offseason, the battle for the rotation and bullpen, the deathball, who we are most excited about, extension candidates, Tommy Edman's injury, Matt Carpenter's role on the team, Anthony Rendon and loving the sport, our annual Free Agent draft, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss surviving the ski trip, doing the splits, the START OF SPRING TRAINING!!!, Sonny Gray, the potential six man rotation, who makes the bullpen cut, one last shot at a rotation addition, city connect jerseys, shitty jerseys, Adam Wainwright, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss the upcoming ski trip, the triumphant return of Casa Bonita (Pretty House), the Keynan Middleton signing and why we really like it, the DFA'ing of Zuniga, Moises Gomez, Fangraphs & Pecota standings projections, Ivan Herrera, Masyn Winn, the Corbin Burnes trade, the Athletics Ownership vs a Teacher's Union, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss going to a hockey game, falling on ice, the fact that SPRING TRAINING STARTS THIS MONTH, Alfsonso Rivas and Moises Gomez, Josh James, the deathball, deadball, and multiball!, non-roster invitees to spring training, Xavier Scruggs and his interview with Oli Marmol, finding the love for Marmol and the Cardinals again, Alec Burleson, beefy boys being beefy, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben are joined in this extra special episode by Kelsey Burd (@kburdtweets), Kyle Reis (@kyler416), and Daniel Shoptaw (@C70) to celebrate episode 100 of the podcast and to discuss Deadball, the return of Matt Carpenter, Tommy Edman's contract, our personal Mount Cardmores, prospects, vibes, birds, and much, much, more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Ben's birthday celebration, opening day tickets, Masyn Winn and Jordan Walker getting BIG(ger), Goldy and his extension situation, the value of bulk innings vs quality innings, the (maybe) fight between Contreras and Flaherty, the international signing period and more big beefy boys, the Baseball America Prospect List, Tommy Edman and his wrist, arbitration, the Bally Sports situation, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Victor Scott 2's rap career, STL drinkin' beer, greedy owners (again, always), the hiring of Chaim Bloom and why it is probably the most important signing this offseason (and maybe of the decade), the Richie Palacios trade, Andrew Kittredge, Tommy Two Bags Edman and the case of the hurt wrist, Imanaga, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss New Year's Eve, David Ortiz and the hilariously bad gender reveal, food based gender reveals, the 2024 Cardinals ZIPs projections and why we should be hyped about 2024, the ZIPs projections and why 2024 may be another rough year, our thoughts on lineup construction, and news from around the league. Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben are together, in the same room! with shiny lights! to discuss Ozzie Smith, Adam Wainwright's country foray, our new years plans, the Yamamoto signing and why the Cardinals were never really in it, Matsui and why it's good the Cardinals didn't beat the Padres deal, some quick Steamer observations, news from around the league, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.

Nate & Ben discuss Matt Carpenter's time as a Cardinal, Yuki Matsui, Josh Hader and how to improve the bullpen, Yamamoto, why the Cardinals should sign Blake Snell?, the rise of Victor Scott 2, Jeffery Bezos, Nick Robertson, and much more! Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.