Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast

Trent talks about his path into the Surveying profession, and encourages those (including his daughter) who wish to be the next generation of surveyors to “learn a lot, and take your time” through the various steps required for licensure, and to never stop learning. He is a proponent of the 4-year degree plus experience requirement. Trent also discusses his passion for mentoring, and the Mentoring Mondays sessions he hosts.

Mark Husik, Executive Director for the New Jersey Society of Professional Land Surveyors, talks with Curt Sumner about his background, including his work on a project initiated during the presidency of the senior President Bush, a variety of activities during his tenure with NJSPLS including the recent opening of a second surveying degree program in the state, and the circumstances related to the development of an in-state survey technician certification.

This episode of “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” highlights the Certified Survey Technician (CST) program during a conversation with Norm Ellerbrock, a CST Board member. He recently sat down with Tim Burch to talk about his introduction into surveying, starting his own business, and how mentoring is important to teaching the future practitioners. Norm provides an overview of the program, the pathway to certification on two tracks to four levels, and preparation for taking a CST exam. He also shares the importance having CST employees for an advantage as a business owner in both experience and prequalification for certain projects. Norm also shared how to become a proctor for potential exam takers as well as finding a proctor if an applicant cannot find one. If you are interested in giving back to the profession and future surveyors, then CST could be your answer! The CST Board is looking for future members to help administer, grade, and review test questions for our future technicians. For more information, go to cstnsps.com for more information. And stay tuned for more great episodes of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

NSPS Registered Lobbyist John “JB” Byrd and host Curt Sumner discuss the status of several Bills in the U S Congress about which NSPS has an interest, as well as the importance of NSPS collaborating within various coalitions related to GPS, and the importance of the NSPS PAC.

Throughout the many years that ACSM, and now NSPS, has been an active member of the International Federation of Surveyors (FIG), John Hohol has been a primary leader of the NSPS delegation. John joins host Curt Sumner to talk about the importance, and benefit, of the relationships developed with our international peers. Among his many accomplishments in FIG is the role he played in the formation of its Foundation which raises funds to secure a sustainable future for surveyors throughout the world.

Jim Coan joins host Curt Sumner to talk not only about his perspective as the NSPS Director representing the Land Surveyors Association of Washington (LSAW), but also about his career and dedication to teaching those who are interested in becoming involved in surveying. He also talks about his most recent motorcycling adventure.

This episode of “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” highlights the Trig-Star program with a conversation with Jerry Juarez, Chair of the Trig-Star Committee. He recently sat down with Tim Burch to talk about the history of the program, how it works with local surveyors and schools, and the latest advancement in online testing for the competitions. Jerry shared his “sales pitch” to educators and administrators of the how the program shows the students real world applications of higher-level math. He also talks about the prize money for local, state, and national winners. Jerry also discusses scholarship opportunities for students who continue into surveying-based curriculum at colleges and universities. If you are interested in giving back to students through surveying, then Trig-Star is your answer! For more information, go to trig-star.com for more information. And stay tuned for more great episodes of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

Matt Morris, NSPS Director representing the Montana Association of Registered Land Surveyors (MARLS), joins host Curt Sumner for a conversation about his career as a licensee and business owner in Choteau, Montana.

Continuing to ask the question “What is Surveying?”, this episode of “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” connects us with Linda Foster, a professional land surveyor AND GIS professional (GISP) from South Dakota. Linda was recently appointed to the NSPS Board of Directors to represent the South Dakota Society of Professional Land Surveyors (SDSPLS), where she served as President in 2019. Her degree in geological engineering opened the door to GIS for the forest service and an introduction to surveying. Linda recently sat down with Tim Burch to discuss our topic and provide a viewpoint as someone who wears several different geospatial hats. She shared her experiences with parcel mapping, data accuracy and precision in various uses, and how surveying, engineering and GIS complement each other. Linda describes how geospatial data will serve as guide not only for where we have been, but to also help us predict what data will be needed in the future. Thanks for tuning into this next installment of our “What is Surveying” series and look forward to bringing many more viewpoints to you. Surveying has grown into much more than a measurement-based profession, and we will bring you those perspectives in future episodes of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

This week on “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” brings another opportunity to turn the tables on fellow surveying podcasters! Shane Neeley and Connor Brown are the hosts of “The Shane & Connor Show,” proudly presented by our affiliate and good friends at the Texas Society of Professional Surveyors (TSPS). The duo recently connected with our own President-Elect, Tim Burch, to discuss how their webinar/podcast came to fruition and how giving back to the profession has become a focus point in their careers. Shane and Connor share their stories of getting started in surveying, how the profession is different in Texas versus the surrounding states, and how being involved in TSPS has provided them with personal relationships that have lasted a lifetime. They also share the importance of strong mentorship and how being open and available for those opportunities from both sides of a career-building relationship is key to enhancing one’s career. This is a fun conversation with the “Abbott & Costello” of Texas surveying; a lighthearted talk full of wisdom and knowledge sprinkled throughout the laughs. NSPS appreciates the efforts from Shane & Connor (and TSPS!) so give their shows a listen (https://www.tsps.org/page/theshaneconnorshow). This episode of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast truly finds that surveying is alive and well deep in the heart of Texas.

This edition of “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” proudly brings a new series named “What is Surveying?” and will feature guests from all corners of the globe explaining what defines today’s surveying profession. The inaugural episode brings a titan of the GIS community, Mr. Brent Jones, URISA President-Elect. He currently oversees Esri’s worldwide strategic planning, business development, and marketing activities for land records, cadastre, surveying, and land administration. Brent recently joined our own President-Elect, Tim Burch, to discuss how technology has led to widespread geospatial data usage, advancements in the cadastral layer, and how a licensed surveyor measures up with a geographic information system professional (GISP). This latest offering from the NSPS headquarters starts strong with Brent but look for more great guests very soon. Thanks for listening and how your own definition of surveying compares to other industry stalwarts. We hope to help answer the question of “What is Surveying” right here on the latest episode of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

Are you fully caffeinated and ready for an energetic guest? Then we have the episode for you! “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” introduces us to Sherry Toutges, a professional land surveyor from California. She recently joined Tim Burch to share her career highlights from discovering surveying at Fresno State University to her current role at Caltrans. Sherry talks about providing training to new employees and utilizing her teaching skills for promoting the NSPS Trig-Star program. She also talks about the importance of mentors in surveying and how effective listening and useful criticism is key to creating great relationships. Sherry also reminded us how important being involved with your surveying associations helps building lifelong professional relationships. We thoroughly enjoyed our conversation with Sherry and look forward to seeing her back in action with upcoming Trig-Star competitions. Thanks for listening to a busy episode of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

In the past, NSPS has brought you conversations with our Government Affairs about the issues, but what about the people behind the work? “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” brings a behind-the-scenes talk with the NSPS Federal Lobbyist, John “JB” Byrd. He recently joined Curt Sumner and Tim Burch for an in-person interview after our first non-virtual NSPS Executive Committee meeting in 18 months. JB shares his background into his political career to becoming a federal lobbyist; from growing up on a farm and orchard to working as a staffer on Capitol Hill, he allows a peek into his philosophy of how business, politics, and our lives in the US interact to get things done. He explains the role of lobbyist and how developing long-lasting relationships with legislators AND staffers is key to the success of our political endeavors. Besides being able to record in a face-to-face environment, it was a pleasure to hear JB provide great insight into the sometimes-aggravating world of US politics. Thank you for tuning into this great sit-down with JB, Curt & Tim on this episode of “Surveyor Says!”

This episode of “Surveyor Says! The NSPS Podcast” catches up with Nolan Mark, a professional surveyor licensed in Kentucky, Indiana, and Michigan. He currently leads the ISPLS Young Surveyor Network and coordinates their monthly “Roundtable Tuesdays” featuring guest speakers and happy-hour networking. He recently put up his own shingle, On the Mark Surveying, based in Fort Wayne, Indiana, all while he and his wife are busy raising two young boys. Nolan recently chatted with Tim Burch to discuss how an opportunity to job shadow led to his interest in surveying, how mentoring has played an important role in his career development, and his plan on carrying the survey torch by paying it forward. He shares his thoughts on the crucial role surveyors fill in today’s business world and how geospatial data is embedded in everything surveying. Thank you for listening to this great conversation with Nolan as we appreciate your time for listening to this episode of “Surveyor Says!”

NSPS Government Affairs Consultant John Palatiello and NSPS Lobbyist JB Byrd join host Curt Sumner to review the successes NSPS has enjoyed during its 2020 legislative and federal agency outreach.

Is Lyme the only disease ticks carry? The answer is a big “No”, but Lyme does deserve a lot of PR for many reasons. The CDC claims that there are about 400,000 new cases each year in the United States. To put that in perspective, that is 1.5 times the number of women diagnosed with breast cancer each year, and 6 times the number of people diagnosed with AIDS each year. During the last 25 years the New England area has seen a 300% increase in Lyme cases, and some of the upper mid-west Great Lakes states have seen a 250% increase during the same period of time. The most important thing to remember is that if by chance someone is bitten by a tick and experiences a bad reaction to the bite, such as achy joints, flu-like symptoms, maybe a bulls-eye rash, etc. do not put off seeing a doctor!!! Early detection and treatment is absolutely critical. Proper treatment is normally with antibiotics which usually fixes it in the early stages. Remember, though, these diseases never go away on their own, they only get worse. www.TheTickTerminator.com or 906-271-0063

As we wind down Women’s History Month for 2021, it is fitting that our final guest for this special month is exceptional in her own right. NSPS appreciates our longstanding partnership with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), so it is our pleasure to have Dominica VanKoten, Chief Cadastral Surveyor for the BLM. Prior to her current position, she led the Eastern States Office for BLM from 2008 to 2019. Dominica recently connected with Tim Burch to discuss how being interested in drafting and math in high school introduced her to surveying, her career path with the BLM, and current duties as Chief Cadastral Surveyor. She shared insights on many of the Bureau’s responsibilities and how important the Public Land Survey System is to the public. NSPS and “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast would like to tip our cap to all women in the surveying and geomatics industry for a job well done. We appreciate your efforts and look forward to growing the profession with you. Thanks for listening!

Happy National Surveyor’s Week! Our guest this week is Galen Scott from the National Geodetic Survey (NGS). As the Constituent Resources Manager, Galen is involved with many of the tools and programs going on within NGS. He chatted recently with Tim Burch about the GPS on Benchmarks program and how important having crowdsourced data is for completing the geoid base for the 2022 datum changes. Galen also announced the new features to the OPUS programs, including a simplified way for bluebooking significant control stations AND the feature to upload RTK data to incorporate with your OPUS solutions. Lots of great stuff coming out of Silver Spring! This is the first in a new series with Galen and lots of great things from NGS so stay tuned for even more! Thanks again for listening to “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

In keeping with the theme of Women’s History Month, our very special guest for this episode is Juliana Blackwell, Director of the National Geodetic Survey (NGS). She recently talked with Tim Burch to share her career path leading up to her current position at the helm of the nation’s oldest federal science agency. From her days on a NOAA research ship, in the field with a survey crew collecting geodetic information, to the floor of the United Nations coordinating geopotential reference frames, Juliana’s story is fascinating and inspiring. She reiterates the importance of the need for upgrading the national spatial reference system (NSRS) to steer our future of autonomous guidance. We are proud of our partnership with Juliana and NGS, so thanks for listening to this episode of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

Our second episode for Women’s History Month goes “down under” with a lovely chat with Peta Cox, an Australian surveyor based in New South Wales. She recently time warped with Tim Burch (a 17-hour time difference!) to discuss the similarities of surveying on either side of the Pacific Ocean. Peta talked about her early interest in being outside being key to her choosing land surveying, teaching introductory surveying classes all about the basics, and coming back to the private sector to oversee survey projects throughout southeastern Australia. She also shared how her love for the profession urged her to start the “Defining Boundaries” podcast to capture the stories of surveying for memorializing forever. (Look for the podcast on all major streaming services.) Thanks again to Peta for taking time out of her busy schedule to be featured here on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

With March being Women’s History Month, we start strong with our “Future Focus” series and welcoming Sarah Walker, a dynamic Nevada Young Surveyor who recently passed both of her NCEES exams. She recently sat down with Tim Burch to discuss how she was introduced to surveying, how she enjoys doing boundary retracement, and weekends on her dirt bike finding new mountain trails. Sarah also shares how important having a mentor is to her professional development and working towards being able to teach surveying in the future. She also talked about the success of building the Nevada Young Surveyors Network (50+ members!) through networking and sharing experiences. The future of surveying will be bright with more young professionals like Sarah and we appreciate her being our guest here on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

The new posters are here! The new posters are here! We welcome Elly Ball of the “Get Kids into Survey” initiative back for another chat about the two new posters, exciting news about the ongoing comic book series, and hints on what lies ahead for the ladies from England. Tim Burch recently sat down with Elly to talk about all things GKIS, surviving the pandemic, and gearing up for more educational opportunities. She shared the inspiration for the new Transport and Environmental Disaster posters, and hints on what to see in the next one on Climate Change. Elly provided details on upcoming projects designed specifically for teaching and where GKIS will venture in the coming year. A big thanks to Elly and the staff at “Get Kids into Survey” for the program update and sharing it here “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast. P.S. Check out Elly’s keynote speech for the Wisconsin Society of Land Surveyor’s Annual Institute here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ln05myDIg

Did you know that a professional surveyor can also be a proficient timpanist? We have one, and he is also an officer of NSPS! This episode of “Surveyor Says!” highlights a conversation with Bob Miller, PLS, and NSPS Treasurer. He recently chatted with Tim Burch to talk about his roundabout start in surveying, finding the right mentor, and how learning the basics of surveying are still key factor to success in the profession. Bob shares his experiences from both the field and office perspective, as he highlights how having a good understanding of both is critical to the surveyor’s career. Now if he would just quit having those nightmares about the turkey farm! Thanks for joining us to learn more about the elected officers here on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

This session of the “Future Focus” series features Jocelyn Correa, a licensed surveyor from California. She recently talked with Tim Burch about making the early transition from architectural student to cadastral mapper and leading into discovering her love for surveying. Jocelyn shared her experiences with chasing boundary retracement, tying it together with UAV and topographic data with the appropriate quality checks, to create surveys that provide great information and value to the client. She also spoke about how a welcoming work environment adds to the overall positive experience as a surveyor. Jocelyn adds that mentoring is an important factor to the success of all surveyors, so keeping the channels open for learning opportunities is vital. Another great episode on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast, so thank you for joining us!

Continuing our journey in the “Future Focus” series, this episode features a conversation with Emily Soloby, founder of “Hazard Girls” community and podcast along with a new line of safety boots for women through her “Juno Jones” apparel line. Emily recently hosted our NSPS Vice President, Amanda Allred on “Hazard Girls” and our common interest in promotion of women in non-traditional roles led to inviting her onto our podcast. Tim Burch recently talked with her about what encouraged her to start both “Hazard Girls” and “Juno Jones” and how she is using these platforms to broadcast the message of career development across all professions and occupations. https://junojonesshoes.com/ https://junojonesshoes.com/pages/hazard-girls https://www.facebook.com/groups/hazardgirls/ A big thanks to Emily for a great conversation here on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

Our “Future Focus” series finds us in the New England area and a conversation with Cassandra Quintal, a licensed surveyor and GIS professional from Maine. From her early days working for an attorney reviewing abstracts and earning her master’s degree in GIS to going back to school for her surveying degree and eventual licensure, Cassandra shares her colorful journey in today’s profession with Tim Burch. She shares her experiences using her surveying and GIS background in varying environments, including her love for boundary retracement in the backwoods of Maine. Cassandra also shares her involvement in starting the Maine Young Surveyors group and how important the mentor relationship is to the young practitioner. Thanks for joining us for a great talk with Cassandra here on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

Are you ready for the new 2021 ALTA/NSPS Land Title Survey Standards? If not, we have Gary Kent back again to walk us through the revisions to the optional Table A items. He recently spoke with Tim Burch on the changes and tips on how to make them be most effective for relaying information to your client. Gary also provides some history behind a few of the items and how the list has evolved for the upcoming standard. We have a few short weeks until the new standard becomes the norm, so join us on a fascinating discussion during a truly “Table A Talk” here on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

February 23rd is right around the corner and so are the new ALTA/NSPS Land Title Survey Standards. This episode of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast finds our favorite land title expert, Gary Kent, back again for another “Table A Talk,” but joining him today is Tim Burch. Gary shares his thoughts on the most important additions, deletions and revisions to the new standards and walks us through some of the discussions the committee considered this time around. Thanks for joining us for a timely conversation on the upcoming changes in the Land Title Survey standards here on “Surveyor Says!”

Hello 2021 and a new year of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast! For our first episode back from the holidays, we invited Dr. Marian Young, a recently retired educator from East Tennessee State University, to share her story of teaching our wonderful profession for the past few decades. She recently talked with Tim Burch to look fondly back at her early years in Indiana, attending and teaching at Purdue University, getting her PhD at the University of Wisconsin, and taking her final position at ETSU. They cover the technological changes in surveying yet how the basic are still the core of the profession. She also shares how surveying is an attractive profession to all genders and races who have an aptitude for solving puzzles and enjoy mathematics. Thanks for joining us on our kickoff to 2021 on “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

NSPS wraps up a tumultuous 2020 with our “Year in Review” with Curt Sumner & Tim Burch looking back at the highs and lows of the surveying profession. While COVID-19 has dominated the headlines and testing our professional standing with being an “essential service,” lots of other topics passed through News & Views and various social media channels. From the retirement of a 102-year-old Indiana surveyor to new chapters in the fight against Ligado (formerly Lightsquared), they cover everything newsworthy from the surveying profession. So, sit back and join us putting 2020 in the rearview mirror on this edition of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast.

This week’s “Future Focus” episode highlights the ABET accreditation process and how NSPS works with this organization to provide surveying curriculums with validation of their programs. Becki Popeck, PLS and Robert Schmidt, PLS, PE, join NSPS President-Elect Tim Burch for a discussion on how the group was started, criteria for gaining program accreditation, and the need for program evaluators (PEV) to continue the fine work ABET has provide for almost 90 years. This edition of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast is a call to action: do you or someone you know want to give back to the surveying profession? Let NSPS know today! Email us at [email protected] and get more information!

Our “Future Focus” episode this week is with Robert Loane III. Join host Curt Sumner as Robert discusses his experiences and challenges along the journey to becoming a multi-licensed Professional Surveyor and educator. He also discusses several high precision tunneling projects in which he was involved.

Our “Future Focus” episode brings us an interview with Marisa Trzemzalski, the new NCEES Surveying Marketing and Outreach Coordinator who is also collaborating with NSPS on promoting the profession. Our host, Tim Burch, NSPS President-Elect, recently sat down with Marisa to talk about how she connected with NCEES, her background and drive to promote STEM professions, and how to communicate in the age of COVID-19. The conversation also dives into the deep end of diversity and recruitment of all future surveyors, so settle in for more great insight from one of the NSPS industry partners. This is another edition of “Surveyor Says!” The NSPS Podcast you do not want to miss!

This episode finds Tim Burch, NSPS President-Elect, sitting down to discuss professional licensure with Griffin Pritchard, Public Information Specialist for the professional licensing board in Alabama. Tim talks with Griffin about his role within the board, women and minorities in surveying and the important role each fill going forward, and how STEM is a priority in many schools in Alabama. A great conversation talking about another side of “Future Focus” here on this episode of “Surveyor Says!”

NSPS Government Affairs consultant John Palatiello joins host Curt Sumner for a discussion about Qualifications Based Selection (QBS) which is mandated by federal (and some states) law for procurement of professional services including Surveying. The discussion will also include the challenges encountered in insuring adherence to the process.

Joe Fenicle shares with host Curt Sumner his experiences/adventures in surveying, and recently “going home” to join the faculty of the surveying program at the University of Akron.

Join host Curt Sumner on this episode of "Table A Talk". He discusses the new 2021 ALTA/NSPS Standards with Gary Kent. The new Standards are scheduled to be released on February 23, 2021. Visit the NSPS website information about the new standards.

This “Future Focus” episode features one of the best stories so far told on the “Surveyor Says!” podcast. A recently minted CST Level 1, Steve Holliger knew nothing about surveying a few short years ago when recruited for a utility mapping job. After helping Ben Shinabery and the QK4 team complete the daunting task, he stuck around to learn more about the profession and began the road to a fulfilling career. Your host, Tim Burch, NSPS President-Elect, recently talked with Steve and Ben to discuss how surveying came into both of their lives and how the CST program has given Steve incentive to become a great surveyor. The intrigue of surveying (and benefits of the NSPS CST Program) highlight this great episode of “Surveyor Says!” the NSPS Podcast.

Notice something different? Our new LOGO ! Thanks to My Heart Creative for creating it for us! Join Curt Sumner, Tim Burch and Trish Milburn as they recap the episodes. We hope that you have enjoyed listening! If you have any interesting surveying stories or would like to share how you got into surveying, we would love to have you on the podcast. Email [email protected]. We have give-a-ways! Make sure you listen to find out what you need to do to be entered into the random drawings! Please email your entry to [email protected].

This episode of “Surveyor Says!” features another YSN member in our “Future Focus” series. Joining our host Tim Burch, NSPS President-Elect, is James Combs, the current Vice President of the NSPS Young Surveyors group. James shares his story of being introduced into surveying, all the places the profession has taken him, and the bright future that lies ahead for the surveying community. He also discusses how meeting other YSN members from other parts of the nation has helped him become a better surveyor. Thanks for tuning into another episode of “Surveyor Says!” the NSPS Podcast.

On this episode of the series “Get to know your NSPS Directors” Curt Sumner talks with Stewart Ward, NSPS Director representing the Idaho Society of Professional Land Surveyors (ISPLS). This series will provide insight into the fact that NSPS leaders are “just like other Surveyors”, and have chosen to dedicate time to help guide our national society in its endeavors on behalf of the profession.

On this episode of "Future Focus" Curt Sumner is joined by Gretel Zwick. Gretel is an Assistant Project Manager for Accurate Infrastructure Data, Inc. in Baltimore, MD. She participates in the NSPS Young Surveyors Group and is a member of the NSPS Diversity Committee. They talk about her path to Surveying and her aspirations for the future.

NSPS Executive Director Curt Sumner is joined by NSPS Lobbyist John “JB” Byrd and our legislative consultant, John Palatiello, for conversation about issues effecting the surveying profession during this extraordinary time. Lots of great insight from our legislative group on this “Point of Order” episode. Thanks for listening!

Curt Sumner talks with Doug Schneider, NSPS Director representing the Arizona Professional Land Surveyors (APLS). This series will provide insight into the fact that NSPS leaders are “just like other Surveyors”, and have chosen to dedicate time to help guide our national society in its endeavors on behalf of the profession.

NCEES Director of Exam Services Tim Miller talks with host Curt Sumner about the purpose of the organization, his role there, the variety of services provided by NCEES related to licensure, and the evolution of the exam process.

This episode features Trent Keenan, PLS and founder of his own firm in Las Vegas. Your host, Tim Burch, recently sat down to discuss Trent’s introduction to surveying in high school, the variety of places he has completed boundary work, and how starting his current business led to giving back to the profession. He also talks about getting involved with “Get Kids into Survey” and how becoming an animated character helps connect with kids about our great profession. A great conversation and wonderful example of surveyors giving back in this “Future Focus” episode of “Surveyor Says!”

This episode covers our recent conversation with Denver Winchester, PLS, our current NSPS Young Surveyor President. Denver sat down with Tim Burch, NSPS President-Elect, and they talked about how Denver was introduced to surveying, the varying types of projects in Oklahoma and surrounding areas, and what he is focused on during his presidency of the Young Surveyors and beyond. They also discussed surveying in a pandemic and how to make the profession more accessible to those who may be interested in a fascinating career. Thanks for listening to the viewpoint of the future of the profession here on “Surveyor Says! the NSPS Podcast.”

Inspired by the instructors within the program where he was pursuing a degree leading to a professional career in Surveying, Samuel J. Smith III determined that he would use his talents and knowledge to follow in their footsteps. He shares his story with host Curt Sumner in this Episode of “Surveyor Says”.

Join host Curt Sumner have an interesting discussion with Zach Gooch. Zach talks about his transition from Archaeologist turned Surveyor!