STRONGWILLED

TW: religious abuse, sexual abuse, family cover-up of abuseThis is the first of a four episode series called Too Many Cults, where Krispin and Lindsay Strannigan (from The Holy Ghosting Podcast, and DL’s sister) recap the docuseries Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets on Amazon Prime.We're calling the series Too Many Cults, inspired by the video Too Many Cooks, which you should go watch!This episode we talk about how Bill Gothard’s teachings of the Institute of Basic Life Principles (IBLP) are incredibly similar to mainstream evangelicalism, and to the experiences of those of us who grew up with Focus on the Family. Bill Gothard and Dr. Dobson were incredibly similar, and created very similar dysfunctional family cultures (the latter just had fewer kids).We’re recapping the episodes, talking about what stands out to us and processing some religious trauma along the way. We’re releasing episodes on both podcasts, a true crossover series.Join our patreon community to support this podcast. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.

DL & Krispin finish the season discussing tracks "What Have We Become?" "Mind's Eye" and bonus track, "Alas My Love."Join our patreon community to support this podcast and listen to our most recent patreon episode about having a relationship with your evangelical parents while going through a major faith shift -- and learn what our next season will cover.You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.Head to our website to find more info and a transcript for this episode. Thanks to Bonnie Downing for support on the transcript.

TW: suicide, abuseKrispin interviews Dr. Mark G. Karris, therapist and author of The Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma from a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell, and a Sinful Self. They talk about “In the Light” by DC Talk.Mark has written other books, including Religious Refugees: (De)Constructing Toward Spiritual and Emotional Healing and Divine Echoes: Reconciling Prayer With The Uncontrolling Love Of GodIn the episode Mark mentions Brian Peck and also Kristen Neff’s work in self compassion. Here’s a link to some of her guided mediations that I really like. We’d love for you to consider joining our patreon community to support this podcast. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.Head to our website to find more info and a transcript for this episode.

Krispin and DL talk about "Like It, Love It, Need It," and what it was like growing up being told that Jesus is answer to all your life's problems.We reference When God Talks Back by T.M. LuhrmannWe’d love for you to consider joining our patreon community to support this podcast. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.A transcript for this episode is available at our website.

Krispin and DL interview Grace Baldridge (who performs music under the name Semler). We talk religious trauma and cringe-worthy middle school stories.We reference the songs Toby Mac and Wanna Grab Coffee? by SemlerWe talk about the book about martyrs title Jesus Freaks, which DL talked with their sisters about a few episodes back.Make sure to check out Grace's docuseries, State of Grace. Our favorite episode is "The Life Threatening Dangers Of Gay Conversion Therapy," where they interview Jackie Hill Perry.We’d love for you to consider joining our patreon community to support this podcast. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.Thanks to Bonnie Downing for helping with transcription for this episode. You can find the transcript our website.

The movie "Jesus Revolution" has brought the Jesus People Movement on the radar again, and we talk about some of the history, including Lonnie Frisbee, and how Greg Laurie has been re-telling the story of how the Jesus People movement began.Check out the documentary DL suggests about Lonnie Frisbee here.We’d love for you to consider joining our patreon community to support this podcast. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.Thanks so much to Meagan House for providing transcription for the episode!

Hello all! We are taking a little break this week (an interlude, if you will) - and we wanted to share a clip from our patreon-only episode this week. If you want to hear the entire episode, you can check it out at https://www.patreon.com/propheticimaginationstation

BUT NOT THE MOST SKIPPABLE EPISODE!Krispin & Kevin Nye discuss "Day by Day" from Jesus Freak, and talk about the heavy weight of daily devotions, perfectionism, and more. Kevin is the author of Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End HomelessnessYou can follow him on Twitter and Instagram.Krispin mentions Kevin's twitter thread about Gospel Rescue Missions, and you can read it here.We’d love for you to consider joining our patreon community to support this podcast. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.Thanks for Bonnie Downing providing transcription for the episode - which you can read at our website.

This episode, DL talks with her two sisters about their memories of Jesus Freak and the culture surrounding it.You can follow Lindsay Strannigan on twitter and instagram - and also check out her podcast, Holy Ghosting.We’d love for you to consider joining our patreon community to support this podcast. You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.

Krispin talks to Derrick Scott III about "What If I Stumble?" by DC Talk, and discuss "the single greatest cause of atheism in the world today."Derrick Scott III is the creative producer at Studio Wesley. You can follow him on twitter and his work with Studio Wesley on instagram. In the episode, Krispin mentions a Studio Wesley podcast titled, Queer Roots and Black Spirituality.You can find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!

Krispin and DL interview Peter Choi about DC Talk’s song “Colored People.”Peter Choi is the Director of the Center for Faith and Justice (that DL and Krispin are a facilitators for!). Peter's also a historian with a focus on evangelicalism in eighteenth-century North America.During our conversation, Peter recommends Delores Williams, Shoki Coe, James Cone, and Cole Arthur Riley. He also mentions Henry McNeil Turner. We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!

TW: suicide, sexual abuseKrispin and DL talk about "So Help Me God," developmental psychology and about the organization that partnered to produce the books "Jesus Freaks."Check out the sordid history of Voice of the Martyrs on wikipedia. Also on wikipedia, Erik Erikson's psycho-social stages.We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!

We talked to Jessie McLaughlin about “So Help Me God.” She shares with us about her experience of growing up Christian, the inner turmoil of taking it very seriously, and how she’s been healing from religious trauma through therapy. We love Jessie’s twitter feed where she talks about recovering from evangelicalism, hilarious day-to-day things, and you can see her design work on her instagram.She sings on her husband's record, and our favorite song is Where We’re Going. (The album is Man Overboard by James and the Shame by Rhett McLaughlin, one half of the Good Mythical Morning YouTube). You can hear more about Jessie and Rhett's story of going on staff at Campus Crusade (Cru) and the process of leaving, as Rhett tells is here.We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!

We took some time to talk about the recent shooting in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Focus on the Family, which is located there. We started this podcast analyzing their kid’s radio show Adventures in Odyssey, and covered a whole series that was specifically anti-LGBTQIA+ back in 2019 - the first episode of our season titled “Beginning to Untie the Ties That Bind.”We mention Grace Baldridge’s documentary where they interview Jackie Hill Perry. Also, check out their music in spotify!We also mention the Behind the Bastard’s podcast about James Dobson. Jenna DeWitt has a website of resources for LGBTQIA+ Christians and allies called Invisible Cake Society We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!

Krispin interviews DL about starting out to as a Jesus Freak to wanting to be just like Dorothy Day to wanting to be herself. We talk about the perfectionism of growing up evangelical, and how that pressure can continue, even if you move on from the conservative framework you were raised with.Make sure to check out DL's book Unruly Saint about Dorothy Day and how she started the Catholic Worker.And here's a little article about the ferry in New York named after her.Our most recent patreon-only episode, we discussed 2004's The Village and talked about cults (and whether white evangelicalism is a cult).We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!

Season nine of Prophetic Imagination Station is here!!Before listening, go ahead and check out the music video for Jesus Freak.We’re diving into the iconic album Jesus Freak by DC Talk, track by track.In this introductory episode, Krispin and DL talk about the title track, examining the lyrics and context behind the song Jesus Freak. We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!

Join us for the final episode of season 8! Krispin and Danielle talk about the classic purity culture read, I Kissed Dating Goodbye, Boy Meets Girl and When God Writes Your Love Story.Krispin mentions Emotionally Focused Therapy—find more about that here.We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. And potentially, Krispin will share his online magazine writings. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover art by Zech Bard.

D.L. has a delightful conversation with Erin Moon about the very first Christian YA series, written by Robin Jones Gunn and published by Focus on the Family—the Christy Miller series. Beyond fun reminiscing and sharing personal experiences, we also uncover the not-so-subtle ulterior motives behind the popular novels (spoiler alert: it’s serving the patriarchy).You can find Erin Moon on the socials @erinhmoon, on substack, and on her podcast, The Bible Binge. We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover art by Zech Bard.

TW: sexual assault, rape, abuseD.L. once again revisits Redeeming Love with Dr. Alexiana Fry. We get more into the weeds of some of the problematic and traumatic elements in the novel itself, as well as Hosea, Judges, and the Bible in general. Trigger warning for violence, rape, and abuse.Dr. Alexiana Fry (find her on Twitter) is an Old Testament scholar and professor of biblical studies, with a focus on trauma, feminism, and migration.Dr. Fry references Nancy Nam Hoon Tan’s work from her book Resisting Rape Culture. Dr. Julia O’Brien’s work is also mentioned—check out her book Challenging Prophetic Metaphor. You can find more information about our Faith and Justice Network cohort here! We’d love to have you join us this fall to untangle white evangelism together.We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover art by Zech Bard.

D.L. chats with Jenna DeWitt about Captivating, the highly-influential prescriptive romance guide for young Christian women in the early 2000s.We tackle the harmful biases around gender roles and romance from an asexual and aromantic perspective.Jenna DeWitt (follow her on Twitter!) is an editor and queer activist, focusing on educating people and providing resources on asexual and aromantic identities. Check out her blog for more info!Also, as mentioned in the episode, here is the Spotify playlist curated by Jenna, Rainbow Faith. You can find more information about our Faith and Justice Network cohort here! We’d love to have you join us this fall to untangle white evangelism together.We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover art by Zech Bard.

D.L. chats with Devi Abraham about the wildly popular novel (and now movie) Redeeming Love. We delve into some of the troubling elements of the story, discuss why it holds such an appeal for evangelical women, and touch on some related aspects of purity culture (Devi’s speciality!) as well. Devi Abraham is a writer and co-host of the podcast Where Do We Go from Here?, tackling sex and purity culture. Follow her on twitter @devi_writes and check out her website.You can find more information about our Faith and Justice Network cohort here! We’d love to have you join us this fall to untangle white evangelism together.We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover art by Zech Bard.

D.L. chats with Valerie Weaver-Zercher about all things Amish Christian fiction! We explore the unique, multi-faceted world of Amish romance, how it ties into the larger evangelical world in general, why it’s so dominated by whiteness, and why it remains such a popular genre among evangelical women today. Valerie Weaver-Zercher is a writer and editor with Broadleaf Books (where D.L. is also an author). Check out her website and her book, which we discuss in this episode, Thrill of the Chaste.We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover art by Zech Bard.

D.L. interviews Daniel Silliman about the Christian romance novel that started it all—Love Comes Softly. We talk about Oke’s Canadian background and how that plays into her writing, as well as the impact her books have had on Christian women and the Christian romance genre as a whole.Daniel is a news editor for Christianity Today and author of Reading Evangelicals. You can follow him on Twitter @danielsillimanHere is an interview with Janette OkeThis article on Active History explores how Janette Oke romanticizes the MountiesYou can check out this detailed report from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police on their role in the Indian residential school system“I was born on the Canadian prairie. I was actually born at home. This sounds really like old, old west. I was born in a little log house. The doctor came out to our place to deliver me. So it sounds really, really old fashioned. I went to a one room country school. So a lot of what I write, it’s very much a part of my background–as a teenager, and even younger than that, I was very into the west and the pioneer days. So I read everything I could find on the pioneers. I felt they were a very hearty group of people with a lot of bravery to come out and start making a life on a new frontier. Our Canadian west opened up quite a bit different than the stories that I was reading, which were basically westerns from the U.S. side of the border, in that we had the Northwest Mounted Police—they were at that time—and basically precede the settlers.”“We never had the cowboy and Indian skirmishes and the unsettled west for them to come in. We never had sheriffs in Canada. We have had what is now the RCMP, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and so our pioneers came out to a rather settled area as far as the laws were concerned and oftentimes there were groups of people that sort of came together from a united background, and if you look at our small town around our area and find the oldest church you can pretty well say, ‘Well, that group of settlers came from Germany’, ‘That group of settlers came from Sweden’, you know. By the oldest church there you can pretty well identify it, so these people came west with deep, personal faith. That changed the whole color of how our west was settled.”We have a website—check it out for more information. You can also find us on Twitter and Instagram.To support our show (we can’t do this without you!), join us on Patreon! You’ll get access to our monthly patron-only episodes (including the entire backlog), as well as occasional zoom hangouts. You can join this community for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover art by Zech Bard.

Since Krispin's laptop was being repaired all last week, we won't have a new Christian romance episode up until next week - BUT here's a little clip from a recent patroon-only episode.You can become a patreon supporter of the podcast for as little as $1.50 a month.ALSO - this Saturday, May 15th, our patreon community is going to watch The Jesus Music together - and have a group chat along at the same time. Become a supporter & get details on how to watch along!

Danielle interviews Sharifa Stevens about the book of Esther, and the Bible stories that have been romanticized - and shouldn’t have been. Follow Sharifa on Twitter or Instagram! Also, subscribe to her substack!Check out her chapter in Vindicating the VixensDid you grow up reading Christian Romance books? Why not try recapping one (under a minute is great) for us and making it onto the podcast! Simply call in to our voicemail line at ‪(612) 656-9562 or record a voice memo and email it to us at [email protected]. For more information on our podcast, check out our website. You can also find us on Twitter and on Instragram. To support our show (we can’t do this without you!) join us at Patreon! We do monthly episodes for patrons-only and occasionally do a fun zoom hangout. You can join this community and get access to the backlog of patron-only podcasts for as little as $1.50 a month!

Danielle tells Krispin about why Christian romance has flown under the radar - and needs some attention!Did you grow up reading Christian Romance books? Why not try recapping one (under a minute is great) for us and making it onto the podcast! Simply call in to our voicemail line at ‪(612) 656-9562 or record a voice memo and email it to us at [email protected]. Statistics on Romance Readers found here. Bell Hooks on romance books for the Washington Post.From Reddit (on a thread about Bell Hooks):“Romance as a genre is a safe haven for so many of us. We come here to know what it is to love deeply and be loved in return. For marginalized people especially having a place to land, this inclusive affirming space is more important than ever. Romance writers have been pushing boundaries for a long time, fighting for a space to tell our stories where women are sexual, Black love is cherished, queerness celebrated, where disabled people are beautiful, and the working class get HEAs [Happily Ever Afters]”Books and authors to be explored later on in this series:Janette OkeFrancine Rivers Christy Miller SeriesBodie TheoneAmish RomanceAnd more!For more information on our podcast, check out our website. You can also find us on Twitter and on Instragram. To support our show (we can’t do this without you!) join us at Patreon! We do monthly episodes for patrons-only and occasionally do a fun zoom hangout. You can join this community and get access to the backlog of patron-only podcasts for as little as $1.50 a month!Cover Art by Zech Bard

We decided for Krispin's book release day to drop an episode, and we're talking about feelings & faith. We listened to & discussed this episode about feelings, faith, evangelism, Jesus bracelets, worrying about salvation, and marriage. To pair with this episode, we are releasing a patreon-only episode where we talk about the attachment styles of Whit, Connie, Eugene, Tom and others!

Krispin and Danielle compare the film adaptation of Redeeming Love.Trigger warnings: sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, domestic violence and panic attacks/anxiety attacks.Redeeming Love was a book written by a reformed romance author in 1991, to give a modern-but-not-that-modern retelling of the book of Hosea.-----Send us an email or find us on social media to tell us about what movies you think we should watch!You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. Pre order Krispin's book here!You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here.

Trigger warning! Sexual & religious abuse.We think it's worth watching the 2-minute trailer before listening to this episode. We discuss the Netflix doc 'Procession,' about survivors of sexual abuse by clergy. The documentary follows six male survivors as they create short films based on their experience, with a drama therapist. TW: sexual abuse, religious abuse.We mentioned some resources around the topic:Traumatized by Religious Abuse by Connie Baker (and check out our episode where we interview her here).Something's Not Right Here by Wade MullenRedeeming Power: Understanding Authority & Abuse in the Church by Diane Langberg. Send us an email or find us on social media to tell us about what movies you think we should watch!You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. Pre order Krispin's book here!You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here.

We talk about the movie American Underdog.Send us an email or find us on social media to tell us about what movies you think we should watch!You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. Pre order Krispin's book here!You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here.

This is a replay of an episode from two years ago - we talk about Christmas in evangelicalism, evangelistic musicals and why Krispin thinks Christmas time is a sexy time.

We discuss The Most Reluctant Convert, which featured Nicholas Ralph from All Creatures Great and Small (some of our favorite boringly-calming British TV).Check out our series on The Chronicles of Narnia, in case you missed it - including the episode about our former professor who collected C.S. Lewis artifacts.Send us an email or find us on social media to tell us about what movies you think we should watch!You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. Pre order Krispin's book here!You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here.

Krispin tells DL about "The Jesus Music" documentary about CCM.Trigger warning: childhood verbal abuse.This is a documentary about Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, Kirk Franklin, Toby Mac -- and a lot of other CCM artists. Krispin went to see it in the theater, and told DL all about it.

DL went to The Eyes of Tammy Faye and we talked about how there are examples of Christians in conservative circles who were standing up for LGBTQ+ people in the church, even decades ago.We also talk about the documentary by the same name which you can stream on https://www.wowpresentsplus.com.---------Send us an email or find us on social media to tell us about what movies you think we should watch!You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. Pre order Krispin's book here!You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here.

We're starting our new season where one of us watches a Christian movie and tells the other about it. This episode we discuss a documentary called Show Me the Father and discuss patriarchy, "father wounds," and if men can uniquely mediate between heaven and earth because of their gender (spoiler alert: we don't think so!). Send us an email or find us on social media to tell us about what movies you think we should watch!You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here.

We had two great conversations with people who have been interviewing numerous people within the scene, and how this scene impacted people (musicians and listeners) theologically and politically.We talked with Mason Mennenga - host of the A People’s Theology podcast and The Black Shee Podcast.I also talked with Professor Joel Harrison is Associate Professor of Religion at Northern Virginia Community College in Manassas, VA. He’s working on a book right now on Evangelical Political Identity and Underground Christian Punk, He looks at how leftist punk aesthetics were fully embraced in some circles and, thus, pushed evangelicalism in a progressive direction - like what Mason was sauing - and in others, "punk" was repurposed for more conservative political ends.Here's the article about Mars Hill and Tooth & Nail bands.Join us next week for our new season!---------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

We wrap up the Shamecore season talking about how shame is healed - through relationship.Drew Hart is the author of Who Will be a Witness and Trouble I’ve Seen.Curt Thompson has published Anatomy of the Soul, The Soul of Shame and The Soul Of Desire: Discovering The Neuroscience Of Longing, Beauty, And Community.In the episode, Krispin mentions Judith Herman’s book Trauma and RecoveryWe mention songs from Mewithoutyou’s album Catch for Us the Foxes and also The King Beetle on a Coconut Estate------------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Curt Thompson has published Anatomy of the Soul and Soul of ShameDr. Karyn Purvis audio was taken from lectures available from the Karyn Purvis Institute of Child Development. If you’re a parent interested in learning more about building secure attachment with your children, Krispin recommends The Whole-Brain Child by Payne and Seigel and The 6 Needs of Every Child by Amy & Jeffrey Olrick. Krispin also reference Becoming Attached by Robert Karen and the Attachment Theory in Action podcast interview with Alan Sroufe.We talk about a few songs from Son, I Loved You At Your Darkest and the “soft song” is called The Widow.--------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Krispin talks with Robert Monson about the theology behind all these "soft songs," as well as short bit with Danielle Shroyer, who we heard earlier this season.Robert is part of the 3 Black Men podcast, as well as a writer and musician.In this episode we mention Mako Nagasawa, the book Gentler God, by Doug Frank and The Inner Voice of Love by Henri Nouwen. Also, here is the article on attachment and spirituality Krispin references.Here are the songs in this episode:Mouth like a Magazine by ShowbreadMatthias Replaces Judas by ShowbreadSome Will Seek Forgiveness, Others Escape by UnderoathBliss Tearing Eyes by Dead PoeticSo Great a Salvation by The OC SupertonesGetting Into You by Relient KDandelions by Five Iron Frenzy-----------------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

We’re posting on Sunday because this is a special 4th of July Episode! (You know we’re SO patriotic like that!)What’s the connection between Father John Misty (Joshua Tillman, also from Fleet Foxes) and the navy seal who killed Osama Bin Laden?This is a short episode where Krispin talks about this weird connection, and then we have a replay of an old Prophetic Imagination Station episode where we discuss Adventures in Odyssey’s episode “The Price of Freedom.”Here’s the Esquire article mentioned in the episode. And the press release from Demon Hunter.Hear the rest of Brad Jersak’s interview here.Watch the Training For Utopia video and let me know what you think!Here are the songs of the episode:Nancy From Now on by Father John MistyTurn Your Back and Run by Demon HunterNot Ready to Die by Demon HunterThe Soldier’s Song by Demon HunterThrowin’ Out Tha Wicked by T-BoneDemon Executor by T-BoneGood Feeling by Training For Utopia

Why would anyone willingly choose hell over heaven? In this episode, we'll hear from a couple of people who found themselves in a place in which they would make just that decision - and why.Heather Beamish is an artist, speaker, activist and poet based in Toronto Canada. Follow her on Instagram here. You can watch Hellbound? by Kevin Miller on amazon.Listen to all of Ravage Ritual by Zao here.You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Krispin talks with Mandy Smallwood about Dead Poetic and hell anxiety.There's a clip from an Adventures in Odyssey episode that we talked about in our episode, Let's Talk About Hell Baby over two years ago.This episode features A Green Desire and Tell Myself Goodbye by Dead Poetic, and also Wrong Body by As Cities Burn.We'd like to get voicemails or voice memos from you! How did teachings about hell impact you, your mental health, or your relationship with God? (or all three!)Send us an email or leave us a voicemail.Oh, and that REAL C.S. Lewis quote is from The Problem of Pain (p. 139).-----------------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Krispin explains addictive behaviors from an attachment perspective and asks whether Christianity offers any concrete help when we’re stuck in behaviors we want to stop. He talks with Heather Patton Griffin about how many churches approach growth and transformation, “try harder to mean it more,” and what often gets missed.We keep talking about This From My Lips by Yours My Sin is Purged by As Cities BurnYou can follow Heather Patton Griffin on twitter - she has so many great twitter threads on these topics!------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

"Oh how sweet is the sound / I know it saved, but is it changing a wretch like me?"Krispin explores the angst around purity culture that shows up in Christian hardcore, and discusses with Dr. Bradley Onishi how this element of evangelical culture impacted the Atlanta Shooter's actions in March 2020.Follow Brad on twitter and check out his podcast Straight White American Jesus, where he's discussed and responded to Tim Keller, Al Mohler and Jim Daly.Check out Ruth Graham's article that quotes Onishi here.Here are all the songs referenced in this episode:Time Stands Still by ExtolBreaking My Own Heart by Haste the DayA Boy Brushed Red Living in Black and White by UnderoathStalemade by Project 86that song by No Innocent VictimEye Candy by TraumaA Green Desire by Dead PoeticRun for Your Life (She calls) by Impending DoomFace:Face by Norma JeanThis From My Lips by Yours My Sin is Purged by As Cities Burn------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Brandi Miller is the host of the Reclaiming My Theology Podcast. You can follow her on twitter and instagram. We talk about her love for Emery, end up talking a lot about Reese Roper, and also how theologies of sin have upheld oppressive power structures.We talk about Listening to Freddie Mercury by Emery…as well as Under Bridges by Brave Saint Saturn and Mr. Fahrenheit by Five Iron Frenzy.—————————-You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Krispin & DL talk about Bindside and “the gospel” message based on having a dirty, rotten heart. Krispin interviews Danielle Shroyer about original sin -- and original blessing.Danielle Shroyer is a spiritual director, former pastor, speaker and author of Original Blessing and The Boundary-Breaking God. You can follow her on twitter.You can listen to the two Blindside songs here and here. ———You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Pádraig Ó Tuama is an Irish writer, poet & theologian. Host of On Being's Poetry Unbound podcast, he was recently named On Being's Theologian in Residence. From 2014-2019 he was the leader of the Corrymeela Community, Ireland's oldest peace and reconciliation organization. Our favorite book by Pádraig is In the Shelter, which was just re-relased last month with a foreward from Krista Tippet. You can follow him on twitter and instagram.You can follow Heather Patton Griffin on twitter - she has so many great twitter threads on these topics!You heard a voicemail from Zech Bard in this episode - who also did the wonderful artwork for the season!———You can listen to the two Underoath songs here and here. ———You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Soong Chan Rah is author of several books, including Prophetic Lament. You can follow him on twitter here.Hillary McBride is the author of Mothers, Daughters, and Body Image. You can listen to her whole talk on emotions at Cascade Church (it’s great!). You can follow her on twitter and instagram.Joel Harrison is currently working on a book tentatively titled “Palms of Victory, Crowns of Glory: Evangelical Political Identity and Underground Christian Punk.” You can follow him on twitter here. Soong Chan Rah references Dr. Chanequa Walker-Barnes’ book I Bring the Voices of My People and The Burden of Black Religion by Chris Evans.———You can listen to To Think of You is to Treasure a Distant Memory by Zao here. Check out the live video Krispin mentions here. ———You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

Dr. Leah Payne is a professor of Christian studies at George Fox University, author of Gender and Pentecostal Revivalism: Making a Female Ministry in the Early Twentieth Century and co-host for The Weird Religion Podcast. You can follow her on twitter here. She is currently working on a book on CCM and you can help her out by filling out her CCM survey, if you grew up listening to any kind of Christian music. You can follow Becky Castle Miller on twitter, instagram and buy her books here. Her full 50-minute interview is up over at Attached to the Invisible, where she talks more in depth about emotions, evangelicalism, and what following Jesus in our emotional life looks like. Here’s Bill Bright’s Four Spiritual Laws that Becky refers to in her interview. ------Songs in this episode:Adam, Soiled Rags and A Life Wasted Sleeping,by Nodes of Ranvier.Memphis Will Be Laid to Waste by Norma Jean with Aaron Weiss with audio from a live recording from Furnace Fest 2002.------You can support the show by becoming a patreon. You can follow the show on twitter and instagram, and visit our website. You can follow Krispin at twitter and instagram and sign up for a monthly email about attachment, spirituality and evangelicalism here. You can follow DL on twitter and instagram, and buy her books here. Send us an email!Zech Bard designed artwork for the season and Forrest Johnson wrote and recorded theme music.

To start off the Shamecore Records season, Krispin interviewed director Chris White and composer/musician, Daniel Smith about their recent movie Electric Jesus. At the end of the episode, D.L. shares a bit about forming an evanegalistic punk rock band when she was 13 years old. The soundtrack for Electric Jesus just released, and is filled with both Christian hair metal and Danielson’s weird indie rock. We’ve been a longtime of fan of Daniel Smith’s music as Daielson, and one of our favorite albums is Fetch the Compass Kids.You can watch a whole documentary about Danielson here and it is wonderful.Here is the Believer article about Danielson that D.L. mentions. Next week, we’ll really dive into talking about Christian hardcore and the emotional experience of growing up evangelical. You can follow the podcast on twitter or instagram, where D.L. will post pictures of her punk rock days. Become a patreon and support the podcast for as little at $1.50 a month.Also, you can send us an email!You can follow Krispin on twitter or instagram, and DL. on twitter and instagram.D.L.’s most recent book The Myth of the American Dream is also available!