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Imagining Better Futures Through Interactive Storytelling and Play – with Dain Saint

Imagining Better Futures Through Interactive Storytelling and Play – with Dain Saint

Stories for the future · Veslemøy Klavenes-Berge

October 2, 202554m 33s

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Show Notes

In this episode of Stories for the Future, I’m joined by storyteller, game designer, and creative force Dain Saint — someone who doesn’t just talk about change, but invites people to practice it through immersive storytelling, collaborative world-building, and art.


We recorded this conversation a few months ago, but it feels even more relevant today. Especially in a time of political tension, uncertainty, and fear, we talk about how imagination, empathy, and interactive experiences can help us stay connected — and prepare us for the future we actually want to live in.


Dain also shares insights from his work in journalism, immersive theatre, and game design — including how changing what it means to “win” the game can fundamentally shift how we live and lead.


We talk about:



  • What interactive storytelling really is — and why it matters

  • The role of empathy in imagining better futures

  • Practicing democracy through games (!)

  • What it feels like to live through turbulent times in the US

  • The difference between truth and honesty

  • Why art, play, and participation are vital right now


🔗 Links & Resources:


Learn more about Dain’s work on his website.


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