Scary Thoughts

Just because you're paranoid, don't mean the Andromedans aren't after you. Chad and Marc give a brief Stranger Things wrap up before disentangling this Yorgos Lanthimos madness. They explore the differences between alien conspiracy paranoia, and the Truth. After hearing Chad's lifelong appetite for conspiratorial thinking, you will want to believe. Marc wonders if maybe the Andromedans really do know what's best. That's not a conspiracy, that's just sensible species management.

For Halloween, we always like to do something a little special, and this year we decided to ask some of our fellow fiends (Meg Elison, Joshua Grannell aka Peaches Christ, Carmen Maria Machado, Daniel Coffeen, Steven Intermill and Monique Jenkinson aka Fauxnique) about the first film they remember that truly scared them, and how that shaped them into the ghouls they grew up to be.

28 Years Later (2025) seems to have divided fans of the franchise. The original film raged into theaters with an absolutely fresh take on the zombie, with new and prescient rules based on gain of function research, and a distorted digital aesthetic that still looks incredible. Plus it introduced us to the great cheek bones of Cillian Murphy. But this film? Chad loved it, Marc hated it. So get ready for a fun back and forth about what worked, and what didn't for your favorite horror movie podcast hosts. This episode hits on the past and future of the franchise as a whole, Alex Garland and Danny Boyle's filmography, zombie dongs, Jimmy Saville's villainy, and whether or not tracksuits are the proper clothing for apocalyptic battles.

Final Destination: Bloodlines (2025) is the sixth installment in a (mostly) beloved franchise of fright films. Fans consider it one of the best in the series, and even the less enthused have found gems to enjoy. The opening sequence is a blast. The kills are hilarious and maximalist. And you even get a little bit of character development. The conversation stays mostly on topic, but let's be honest, Bloodlines is like a new AC/DC album. You know what you're getting. We stray into conversation about Japanese denim, ghost outfits and fast fashion, and the new Ryan Coogler film, Sinners. Overall, this episode is a real hoot.

Companion (2025) comes to us at a great time in our culture's history. As of this writing, AI hucksters are incinerating the planet so anyone can prompt Harry Potter fan fiction and the innumerate can vibe code their way to enough series A funding to purchase one-way flights to the Martian refugee colonies of the ultra wealthy. If those words are unfamiliar to you, just wait. Soon enough, the tech oligarchs will replace you with a subservient version of yourself that will. Or maybe they'll just make paperclips until we're all dead. But don't be a sad android! This is a fun movie and we have a fun time talking about it. We discuss AI doomerism, loneliness, The Book of Love song "Boy", and of all things, the power of love. Special note: this weekend is the @unnamedfootagefestival and we'll be out exploring the unhinged visions of our comrades with our rapidly deteriorating meatsuits. Be there!

In this episode, we sink our yellowed fangs into Nosferatu (2024). It's one of our best conversations in a while. Likely due to our occult powers ascending and a potent peasant stew of nicotine and caffeine. We talk about orthodox exorcisms, Lily-Ross Depp's rise as an actor, supernatural penises, and what kind of undead creatures we'd like to be. Robert Eggers has once again delivered an incredible looking film that shows what you can do with an absurd obsession for details. Are we all in on this mustachioed addition to the vampire mythos? Definitely. Though, we have our usual Statler-and-Waldorf-grade complaints.

The Substance (2024) is a nearly perfect example of what we like in movies. It's dripping with weighty ideas about bodies and power's putrid hold on humanity. The director is an alluring French woman who appears to be a deep fan of all the dark shit we're into. The actors are going for it hard. The effects are practical. It's absurdly gory and fun. To conversate and celebrate this body horror peak, we're joined by Monique Jenkinson–who needs little introduction to our audience–but just in case, she's an artist, choreographer, and writer best known for her work as a Bay-Area-based drag icon. She sometimes pastes magazine photography to herself, though not always to conceal the transformative effects of black market beauty regimens. This is a focused episode where we get deep into the film and its perennial themes. We talk about the design of biohacker products, how youth is wasted on the young, our aging aches and pains, and the differences in how the male and female gazes approach butt shots. If you've been enjoying our Alien run, fear not, we will be returning to that soon enough. We needed a break from Weyland-Yutani's corporate culture. For now, enjoy this conversation about a great film that actually came out this year.

David Fincher's first film, Alien 3 (1992), is a notorious example of studio meddlers clashing with an auteur-minded director, leaving a franchise in the khazi. It's a shame, because xenomorphs are basically money makers. The film has some solid performances and a gloriously grimy setting. But alas, the film (both cuts) is a mess. The special effects are majorly downgraded from Aliens. The plot is full of more holes than a pair of old Weyland-Yutani panties. But they did manage to give Sigourney the noble death she wanted along with a suitcase full of money. We keep fairly on topic this episode. Marc's hatred for the film simmers beneath, while Chad tries to conjure Kanye conjecture. It's a solid one.

Alien$ made an enormous amount of money because James Cameron asked "What if there were a lot of aliens?" and "What if there were a ton of machine guns?" Answering "Yes, and" to these bold questions guaranteed a hit in the 80s. What a time to be alive! In this episode, we discuss Weyland-Yutani's corporate culture, life in the Colonial Marines, the history of Jews in Mexico and their theoretical role in space, great sci-fi industrial design, and the tyranny of Fox Studio suits. It looks like we're going for it with this Alien series, god help us. Though we may squeeze in a few side quests here and there. Stay tuned.

Behold! In part two of our conversation about Alien (1979), we get more into speculative territory about UFO sightings, how a trillion dollar space-faring company might operate, and how notes from studio suits always ruin things. We get more into HR Giger's influence on the film and his firm grip on 90s mall goth aesthetics. We also cover some advice about how to survive in the Alien universe (don't look inside wet eggs) and imagine what products you might make from harvested xenomorph pieces (boner pills). Also, dear listener, what do you think about us making our way through the franchise? We'll definitely do Aliens; but after that—maybe?

Alien (1979) is a perfect movie. Which is why there is an entire Weyland-Yutani freighter worth of commentary about it. In this, our first ever two-part episode, we explore what makes the film exceptional and we explore the conversation around popular critical touch points—like Ripley's panties. As working class heroes ourselves, we bring new thoughts to the class dynamics of the ship's mission and the role of middle management in making things worse for everyone. If this leaves your chest bursting with anticipation for the next episode, fear not! It's in the can and will be released shortly, just as MOTHER intended.

Hitchcock's Rear Window (1954) is responsible for dozens of film studies books and an inexhaustible number of undergrad student theses–and now a new episode of your favorite podcast featuring our unofficial third co-host Monique Jenkinson (AKA Fauxnique). We cover all of the hits: color theory, suspense, costuming, heroic ladies, weird cops, set design, relationships, whether or not Marc should powder his whole body to combat global warming, and of all things, rolling suitcases.

Chad and Marc return from the prison of their career commitments to the nihilist hellscape of Amazon Prime's dystopic series Fallout Marc is a noob to this take on this apocalypse-as-western. His guide Chad, has spent some time building his own vault in the time-incinerating Fallout Shelter game. They discuss Walton Goggins' reign, Prime vs. Netflix, Cormac McCarthy, how Lucy is no Mary Sue, Kyle MacLaughlin's classic Americana charm and whether a positive mental attitude will serve you as you navigate the wasteland.

Clueless (1995) is one of those films that almost everyone has a soft spot for. It defined a time and place, riffed on a classic, upholds pretty good values, is extremely quotable, and makes you feel happy when you watch it (unless you are truly dead inside). So why are we covering it on a horror podcast? Well, it's Marc's favorite movie, and Chad prefers it to all horror movies. It's an episode we've joked about doing forever. Recently, we both read "As If!: The Oral History of Clueless, as Told by Amy Heckerling, the Cast, and the Crew" by Jen Chaney, so what better time than now? (It's a fun book that goes deep into everything we missed in our episode, so if you're a Clueless fanatic, it's essential reading.) We also chat about whether or not the elevated horror wave has crested. And we sneak in some Barbie vs Oppenheimer talk near the end. It's a real rambler.

When faced with the recent dreary Christmas horror offerings of the past year or two, we felt nothing but apathy. Which is a terrible position to be in when you're looking for a holiday episode idea. But fear not! Or rather—Fear No Mort—the season seven finale of Rick and Morty is pretty great. It sticks the landing on an overall decent season that could've been much worse. But it's smart, funny and brings up a lot of themes that we've spent years covering: the nature of fear, creativity in mass entertainment, hypersanity, really all of the hits. So sit back, and enjoy the last few days of 2023 with your favorite parasocial conversationalists.

It's been a while—but fear not—we have returned, just in time for Halloween! This episode covers 10 loosey-goosey horror themes that we've been pondering as of late. We praise stuff we love and do quite a bit of bitching about the state of the world. There's a little bit of optimism and a lot of that old time hate. Something for everyone! We don't focus on any particular films. However, fans of Alien, Barbie, and Jack Ryan are in for a treat. Or maybe a trick.

Andy Weir's novel The Martian (2011) is top-shelf hard sci-fi for nerds who love space and MacGyver situations. Just four years after (official) publication, Ridley Scott made a film version starring (South Park voice) Matt Dayyyyyymon. Both versions of the story are fast paced and fun. They aren't exactly horror, but survival stories are often horrific. And this one has a touch of terror and a dash of body horror to make it on the show. We get into how artists and engineers see the world differently, the promises and pitfalls of space travel, and wave our fists at the state of science.

The Craft (1996) is a beloved teen witch movie that helped define the 90s mall goth experience. It also made supporting actress Fairuza Balk a bit of an icon for the heavy eyeshadow crowd. Does this movie still hold up? Blessed be, yes! Other than a lame soundtrack, this is a fun movie with memorable scenes and decent actors. We talk about what it was like to be a neophyte goth in New Orleans during the late 1900s, witchcraft as a thing that's cool and corny, and the role of life coaches/therapists/Tarot readers in the modern world. Veteran listeners may notice a slight uptick in incoherence from one of the hosts as the episode unfurls its dark wings. It's the curse of edibles. If it all made sense, good job opening your third eye.

This episode we talk with our comrade Alexander Herbert about his great new book, Fear Before the Fall: Horror Films in the Late Soviet Union. Alexander is a PhD candidate in Soviet History at Brandeis University, specializing in environmental activism and the history of technology leading up to collapse. He gives us the scoop on Soviet horror films, the punk scene in Moscow, and a behind the scenes look into how the Zero Books sausage is made.

Hear Chad and Marc tackle the monolithic drones of metal duo Sunn O))). They discuss witchery and ritual, gear and sculpture, fandom and influence, and (as usual) capitalism and art.

Nick "The Tooth" Gullo is a 2x IBJJF Jiu Jitsu Black Belt world champion, co-host of the Infinite Worlds podcast, a writer, lawyer, world traveler, TV Star—and most importantly for this NYE resolution conversation, is absolutely shredded in his 50s. He joins us for the second time to discuss discipline, keto dieting, being kind to yourself, internet hucksters (Liver King, etc.), toxic masculinity, toxic acceptance, male energy, self-help cults, goal setting, and a lot more. This episode doesn't have any horror movie content, but you'll like it if you enjoyed the previous Self Help for Nihilists episodes.

Halloween Ends (2022) is Blumhouse's last shot at making that Michael Meyers money. But rather than do more of what sort of works, they introduce us to the saddest sack character ever and focus the film on his dating life, which is sort of an interesting choice for this insufferable franchise. We don't love it. But Marc doesn't hate it as much, which makes for some high-value conversation. We also talk about A Star is Born, Dirty Harry, Tarantino's new book, and what our Halloween sequels might look like (they're bangers).

Our first DOUBLE FEATURE episode covers Jack Hill's Spider Baby (1967) and Rob Zombie's The Munsters (2022). Why these films together? Well, the straightforward answer is that we watched them the same week—and Sid Haig. But we do weave some viable thematic and cultural webs between the two. We cover incest, cannibalism, Kanye, why secondary writing is terrible, what we've been doing wrong, the DSM-5, first deaths, and quite a bit more. This is a sprawling, classic Scary Thoughts episode and one of our best in months. It turns out weed actually does enhance some performances.

Drag legend and horror icon Peaches Christ (Joshua Grannell) is back for a fourth episode. This time we're exploring the spooky secrets of Terror Vault, a fully immersive haunted theatrical experience that takes audiences on a terrifying journey within the dank, rat-infested walls of the old San Francisco Mint. If you're into haunts, you're going to love this episode. We talk about the origins of Peaches' interest in horror performance, the technical details of running the show, how the piece is written and designed, unethical vampires, and about a million other details that will appeal to the dark nerds who listen to us.

Dan Trachtenberg's 2022 Predator offering, Prey, is one of the better films in the franchise. If you're a truly misguided soul, (like Marc) it might even be your favorite. We talked about what it did well and what could've been better. Before getting to the choppa, we start with a little bit about where Marc's academic journey is taking him.

Karyn Kusama's 2009 film Jennifer's Body, is finding an audience thanks to a mix of #metoo reckoning, queer analysis, oughts nostalgia, and public fascination with Megan Fox's hematophagic pairing with male scream queen Machine Gun Kelly. This film hasn't aged well, but our age is treating it well. We discuss whether that old-time patriarchy or a messy script with boring kills led to the initial cold reception of the film.

The second half of Stranger Things 4 was fun. Even Argyle and Lucas managed to have great moments. In this episode we talk about why this season won us over, how drugs help with the enjoyment of art, whether or not there are epochs (and if music in the 80s was one), and whether or not it makes sense to have naked heavy metal girls on a character's wall if it upsets modern sensibilities.

We started our show talking about the first season of Stranger Things, so we are compelled to continue. Thankfully for everyone, the end is nigh. But as Marc is fond of saying, "Don't let our yuck interfere with your yum." There's still a lot to like about the show, even if it is circling the drain of mediocrity on its way to the septic tank of nostalgia. Our next episode covers the finale.

The Evil Dead (1981) and Evil Dead 2 (1987) are both unimpeachable classics of horror comedy. After our longest hiatus, we delve into the cult lore of these films and their influence on horror. This episode isn't exactly philosophical, but it's a fun one, especially if you grew up with Sam Raimi's madcap brand of cabin-based mayhem. And for the first time–no major spoilers!

We started Scary Thoughts back in 2016. The years since have been–eventful. This episode rambles hard as we attempt to answer the question, "what have we learned?" Think of it as a director's commentary. We talk about what we thought the show would be, where it's going, our friendship, horror podcasting as a phenomenon, being rooted in the Bay Area, and we tell a bunch of bar stories, which people always seem to like. Thanks for listening.

Let us help you slide into this not-quite-new not-quite-normal-not-quite-post-pandemic with some answers to your questions. You asked about news consumption, movie theaters, horror trends, Disney character team-ups, nostalgia, algorithms, the hunt for Joe Rogan, meditation—and we answered. It's all very on-brand for our Self-Help for Nihilists series.

Julia Ducornau's Titane (2021) features a lot of dancing and gender theory. So who better to have as a guest than Monique Jenkinson, AKA Fauxnique? We talk about her new book Faux Queen: A Life in Drag, body horror, female violence, Sharon Stone's directing ambitions, film criticism, tarot cards, body horror, and French flatulists. Opinions were divided on this film, so it's an exciting episode.

Don't Look Up came out on Netflix just in time to brighten everyone's 2021 holidays. The director, Adam McKay, is one of the most successful comedy directors ever, but this movie isn't exactly a winner, even if it does have a ton of actors we love. In an episode almost as long as this too-long film, we discuss the few things we liked—and spend most of the episode deriding it. We veer into slightly spicy territory on this one. Does politics ruin comedy? Does anyone like Joe Biden? Can the news be trusted?

Denis Villeneuve's Dune (2021) isn't horror. But this episode was requested by quite a few people, and we aim to please. We discuss this version, the first book in Frank Herbert's series, David Lynch's superior take, and Jodorowsky's Dune. There's a little distortion in the audio up front, which is obviously Harkonnen treachery.

Halloween Kills (2021) is Blumhouse's second film in what will undoubtedly, and unfortunately, be an ongoing series. Like many entries in this classic franchise, it is awful. We discuss where it goes wrong, the few things that work well, mob violence, the relevance of the series as a whole, Rob Zombie's versions, slasher character actor fandom, and if you stick to the end, a story about Fabio.

James Wan's Malignant (2021) is a lot of things. Giallo homage. Action film. 90s horror. But even when it feels familiar, it delivers some genuinely original moments and ideas. We cover the film itself, its references, seeing films in theaters post-COVD, indie fetishism, simple pleasures, and whether or not Wan is the Dave Grohl of horror.

Grady Hendrix's Final Girl Support Group (2021) is a love letter to the golden age of slasher movies. This episode is essentially a love letter to the author—even if we do have our crusty quibbles about a few bits. We talk about the difference between metafiction and nostalgia, Harold Bloom's Anxiety of Influence, murderabilia, Final Girls as a concept, and a little background on how you might end up in UC Berkeley's Rhetoric department. We recommend pairing this listen with Peaches Christ and Michael Varrati's third episode of their podcast, Midnight Mass. It covers Friday the 13th and features interviews with the final girl star of that film, Adrienne King; as well as a great interview with Grady Hendrix.

In this episode we take a look at Halloween (2018), the third film of the same title, in the same franchise. Yes folks, this is the age of the reboot. We discuss the pleasures and pitfalls of Blumhouses's formula, old-timey firearms vs. modern firearms, why book clubs are lame, and we heap praise upon Jamie Lee Curtis. While this episode isn't a direct prequel to our next episode, it does begin a longer cross-episode discussion of final girls.

Bo Burnham's Inside (2021) is one of the most unique things you'll see on Netflix. It's an angsty and existential one-man musical comedy about isolation. Though COVID-19 is never mentioned in the piece, it looms large, giving it the kind of "horror" vibes one can pick up from a pandemic thriller like Contagion. Like the film, we find ourselves in a few ranty digressions that will make total sense if you listen to us frequently, but may confuse the uninitiated.

This episode we cover the 1997 sci-fi horror film Event Horizon—with deep digressions into the nature of reality, L. Ron Hubbard, QAnon, martial arts nerds, psychedelics, UFOs, and cosmic horror. We're joined by Nick Gullo, AKA Nick the Tooth. His career bio is about as complex as Buckaroo Bonzai's. To keep it short, he's the co-host of the excellent Infinite Worlds podcast, wrote a book about the UFC, writes sci-fi, and is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

Dungeon Synth is as obscure as it gets for music genres, but it might be everywhere soon. We explore the fetid foundations and eldritch evolutions of this bizarre scene with extreme music authority, Andee Connors. He co-owned the notorious Aquarius Records, curates Pandora's unholy Black Metal station, was a member of A Minor Forest and now creates infernal music with Common Eider, King Eider, and with Marc, My Heart, An Inverted Flame. The conversation goes deep into the haunted hinterlands of culture, including digressions about hoarding/collecting, Dungeons & Dragons, synthwave, Black Metal, and performative reading of forbidden texts.

This episode follows a long and unplanned break caused by a plethora of personal calamities (spoiler: Chad got The 'Rona). Rather than focusing on a single film or book, we use the episode to discuss the future direction of the show and gab about broader trends in visual art. We cover The Snyder Cut, The Overlook Theatre's Unknown Film Fest, our returns to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, the compelling world of Twitch, and what makes Andee Connors such a treasure.

Back in October of 2020 we hosted an online screening of the 2020 indie sci-fi film, The Vast of Night. The event was put together by Fulcrum Arts. This episode is a recording of the post-watch Q&A with the film's production sound team: Crow and Erik Duemig and Supervising Sound Editor and Sound Designer Johnny Marshall. Ironically, the sound quality of this episode is a bit rough thanks to Zoom, who are really not stepping up meeting the audio needs of our collective remote living dystopia. Fuck those guys. Enjoy the episode.

The Purge franchise's first film was released in 2013. There are now four flicks, two seasons of a TV series, and a host of questionable fan content online. We discuss the appeal of this story, what Purge politics would actually mean in real life, why Rick & Morty's "Look Who's Purging Now" is the best Purge movie, and some gabbing about the current apocalypse. In other words, a classic Scary Thoughts adventure.

Jordan Peele is an important Black filmmaker and a horror nerd's horror nerd. His 2019 film Us is packed full of references to obscure classics—but does that make it less original? Boston and J from one of our favorite podcasts, Race Trader, join us to discuss it (along with a little sidetalk about Get Out and Tyler Perry).

Glenn Danzig's Verotika (2019) is a failure. But has it failed in an interesting way? That all depends on how much you like boobs. In this episode we discuss bad acting, bad effects, bad music, and bad films. We also touch on things we like: Tommy Wiseau, outsider art, The Mandalorian—and yes—boobs. Also, keep your ears alert for Marc flexing on the whole cast of Verotika with his own French accent.

Gather 'round boils and ghouls, it's our annual Halloween episode! This year we're covering It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown (1966). Short and sweet like a peppermint patty, we talk about television, made up holidays, bad boomer ideas, belief, trash cinema, The Boys, and renting movies in the 90s.

Writer Michelle Tea, writer Meg Elison, and composer Lawrence English join us for a trio of COVID-19-era conversations. We ask them each, "Is this how you thought it would all end?" All three guests have great perspectives on the apocalyptic vibrations affecting us all, but are any of us truly ready for the end?

Rick and Morty is one of those shows people love making video essays about. It's smart, it uses philosophical ideas to deliver dick and fart jokes, and it includes a lot of high-level sci-fi/cosmic horror. This classic Scary Thoughts adventure is just Chad and Marc. Depending on what universe you're listening to this in, that might be a very big deal.

Shudder's Zoom-based film Host (2020) is the belle of the COVID-19-horror-film ball. This fun and imaginative movie is a great way to spend an hour at the end of a depressing work day. But is it actually good? Or are we just starved for options? We are joined by Madeleine Koestner, the co-founder and programmer of the Unnamed Footage Festival. She's a frequent guest on The Overlook Hour podcast and writes for a ton of horror sites. Basically the perfect guest for talking about this one.