Saturday Morning with Jack Tame

Kevin Milne’s dreams to buy a gorgeous house has been stymied by something unexpected: age.   Photos of what quickly became his dream home popped up this week, but it became a disagreement between him and his wife Linda, with her banning him from even thinking about buying it.  But why? Kevin joined Jack Tame to explain what’s made the house so unobtainable.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

New Zealand was host to two contrasting acts this week, playing out at the opposite ends of the North Island.  On Thursday, Auckland’s Laneway Festival was held at Western Springs, whilst in Wellington, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds played two shows – one Thursday and one Friday.   Chris Schulz was at both events, and joined Jack Tame to share his thoughts.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Such a Perfect Family by Nalini Singh   A woman buried. A woman broken. A woman crashed. A woman burned. And the man who knew them all.  Love at first sight, a whirlwind Vegas wedding, a fairy-tale romance. For seventy-nine days, Tavish Advani has been the happiest man in the world—until his new life turns to ash, his wealthy in-laws’ house going up in a fiery explosion. His badly injured wife lies in a coma, her family all but annihilated.  Tavish thought he left the sins of his Los Angeles life behind, but it’s not so easy to leave behind an investigation into the deaths of several high-profile women—all of whom he professed to love. Tragedy and death follow him no matter where he goes . . . but this time, he knows he’s innocent.  Desperately trying to clear his name as the authorities zero in, he begins his own investigation into the fire—and learns that his wife’s picture-perfect family may have been nothing but a meticulously constructed mirage. The truth is much darker than anything Tavish could’ve imagined . . .     The First Law of the Bush by Geoff Parkes   It’s a beautiful day to be alive, Bill Dickerson thought, seconds before he tumbled from the viaduct onto the jagged rocks below . . .  His awful death made national news. But still, one year on, Bill’s widow Carol has received no explanation about what happened. Was it suicide? An accident? Maybe murder?  So Carol hires lawyer Ryan Bradley in her fight for justice. Ryan has just returned to the remote town of Nashville after ten years away, so he’s in no position to turn down work.  Except the case seems hopeless from the start. Bill’s employer is denying responsibility, Carol’s friends are shunning her, and the only witnesses – co-workers Gav Coates and Wati Reynolds – can shed no light on the tragic fall. Even Senior Sergeant ‘Stinger’ Nettle is too busy turning a blind eye to Wati’s illegal schemes to dig deeper into the death.  But in small towns, nothing is quite what it seems. And for one Nashville resident the wrong question will come at a deadly price . . .    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"If you’re planning a road-trip in the South Island in the coming months, tack on a scenic foray with the Mid-Canterbury heartland. Easily reached within an hour from Christchurch, it’s an understated, uncrowded region that handsomely rewards the eager explorer, headlined by its spectacular scenic high country and blissful sense of escapism. Fanning out from Ashburton and bounded by the silvery braids of the Rakaia and Rangitata rivers, Mid-Canterbury spans the extremes, from pancake-flat plains to serrated, sky-piercing peaks. The mountains rise up to meet you remarkably quickly, after driving west from Ashburton. Here’s a round-up of some sure-fire favourites to add to your leisurely road- trip." Read Mike's full article here. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What is the happiest job in New Zealand?  Research undertaken in 2025 looked at how people across different jobs and sectors rated their wellbeing. They targeted people who were “mid-career” – around 40 years old.  Dr Dougal Sutherland joined Jack Tame to delve into the findings and see what factors make for the happiest careers. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast for Saturday 7 February 2026, Kiwi dream-pop quartet Yumi Zouma joined Jack to discuss a decade together and their creative shift for album No. 5, No Love Lost to Kindness.  Jack finds the Epstein files illuminating.  Two contrasting musical events took place at opposing ends of the North Island this week and music reviewer Chris Schulz went to both.  Clinical psychologist Dougal Sutherland reveals the happiest jobs in New Zealand.  Plus Nici Wickes is not letting us overlook the classics with a deliciously moist Blueberry Muffin recipe.  Get the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast every Saturday on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

During a rather aggressive storm in springtime, our ancient tunnel house showed it was time to get a new one. That was our Christmas project.  Some of our tomatoes survived but there was still lots of space for other plants and ideas, and Kings Seeds sent a catalogue to my inbox just at the right moment!   February specials and Brassicas plus a great number of beautiful plants in many colours (and for a reasonable amount of money). Let's try something out!  Snail Vine  An exotic, heirloom vine grown for its highly perfumed, spiralled flowers resembling curled snail shells. Ideal for growing up fences, trellis, and pergola, or sow in containers with a grow cone or obelisk for support. Fabulous for providing fragrance to outdoor spaces. They germinate within 2 weeks in summer, love warm conditions and develop fast in full sun.  Great for our warmer areas in New Zealand, but even in the cooler regions they usually become an “Annual”. Try a few seeds as soon as you get them and keep some for next spring as a back-up.  Echinops Blue Globe A fabulous textural plant for floral work and in the garden where they add a metallic-like accent. Easy to grow, the versatile plant produces striking steel-blue, globe-shaped flowers. Excellent as an everlasting flower as they retain their colour and form well when dried. Good to start it in sizeable containers to manage the moisture in summer – you can start them in early autumn, so they’ll flower in early spring;  Now – look at those amazing blue colours!  Echinacea Lustre  Look at this!  A popular range of large-flowered, ornamental echinacea in a vibrant colour range. Also known as coneflowers, they make wonderful cut flowers with their distinctive, daisy-like blooms and long vase life. They flower the first year from seed.  The echinops and echinacea are both great options for drought prone/dry areas and being perennials, they really are good value in your garden and loved by pollinators.  Stratify: Chilling seeds in the fridge for 2-3 weeks prior to sowing will promote germination by breaking seed dormancy.  Cauliflower Green Macerata  A lime-green cauliflower with brilliant flavour and a nice change from the “typical” white curds. A vigorous plant, the leafy frame protects the green curds which mature to around 1 to 1.5 kg in weight.  Do not overcook them, to retain the bright-green colour.  Like many cauliflowers they are great plants to start in Autumn, so a little bit of patience is needed… But what comes out of your efforts will be quite wonderful!  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hunter's Gewürztraminer 2025, Marlborough RRP from $25.99     The Wine:   A fragrant wine led by scents of ripe pomaceous fruits and white pepper, orange and mandarin peel, some yellow citrus then apple and spice. Delicious on the palate with flavours that keep repeating. The spice or herb layer increases carried by the alcohol and acid line. Vibrant and youthful, a wine that will find its happy place by late 2026/early 2027, then great drinking through 2029.      The vintage:    A very warm December followed by a cool, temperate summer (January-February) allowed for slow, even ripening.  Above-average, high-volume yields, a bumper crop or a return to "normal" after smaller harvests. Harvest was well-paced, smooth, and dry, allowing growers to pick at optimal maturity. This translates to very good vintage and excellent for some.      The Food match:   For cheese fans and what my wife and I call ‘French take-outs’:  Washed-Rind ("Stinky") Cheeses: Munster, or Époisses.   Creamy/Soft-Ripened Cheeses: Historically dubbed The King of Cheeses – a raw cow's milk cheese, called Brie de Meaux, or just go with a Camembert   Blue Cheeses: Roquefort or Gorgonzola.   The dish: a Moroccan tagine or slow cooked savoury stew. The chef chooses the protein. It’s all about rich and bold earthy flavours, exotic spices such a cumin, nutmeg, ginger, turmeric, allspice, cinnamon, and cardamom.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

New models this week from Anthropic and OpenAI   A new Opus and a new Codex – the Agentic Coding war is only continuing to heat up. Both are now incredibly capable and are giving technical users who can't write code superpowers.       Anthropic's new Legal plugin wiped $50 billion from the stock market   The Co-Work plugin for Claude can review legal documents, flag risks, and track compliance. Legal tech stocks took a hammering. Harvey, a legal focused startup, does exactly the same thing as this plugin, and is/was valued at $8 billion. There are a lot of AI startups that are "wrappers", basically adding some UI or workflow on top of these models. We're going to see a lot of startups die as the big AI platforms start to offer specialist tools.      The EU says TikTok is too addictive for kids   But how do you solve it? The Commission has some ideas, including adding screentime breaks (so the user's app disabled for a set number of minutes?), changing its algorithms (showing less interesting content?), and disabling the "infinite scroll" (so forcing a user to go back to a menu to pick their next video?).    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

DMV   A comedy set in the place everyone dreads going most —the Department of Motor Vehicles— where employees are making minimum wage dealing with customers who are annoyed before they even walk in the door (TVNZ+).       Lord of the Flies   From Adolescence writer Jack Thorne comes this bold reimagining of the classic dystopian novel. Stranded on a tropical island after a deadly plane crash, a gang of schoolboys descend into anarchy (TVNZ+, from February 8th).    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I’m generally sceptical of conspiracy theories.    Call me old fashioned, but I’m pretty sure we landed on the moon. I think 9/11 was al-Qaeda, not an inside job. I think climate change is real.    But I’ve got to admit, I’ve been captivated by the information released in the Epstein files. And while I still don’t think it reveals a coordinated paedophile ring, the trove of information released so far has been far more enlightening than I ever anticipated it would be. Truthfully, I thought it would be a nothing burger. I was wrong.    It’s not that the files necessarily prove greater illegality. Many people thought the dump would reveal a client list of the global elite: a black book of politicians, billionaires, CEOs, celebs, and royalty who’d committed the most appalling crimes and would be rounded up and brought to justice.   So far at least, it doesn’t have that. But it has illuminated a web of connections and relationships among the wealthy, connected, and powerful that we might never have known existed. And it is quite extraordinary to see the ways in which power and acquaintances have been leveraged.   There are several stand out takeaways for me.   First of all, the sheer volume of information. Thousands of videos, hundreds of thousands of photos, millions of messages. Was there anything this guy didn’t document? And there are still millions of documents that haven't yet been released.    Secondly, the impact the files are having in countries outside the United States. Although they name heaps of big powerful figures in the US, many of whom are closely connected to the President or the Clintons, the blow-back has arguably been curiously stronger in other parts of the World.    Overnight, the Crown Princess of Norway has publicly apologised to the King and Queen after her close relationship with Epstein was illuminated. As we go to air, Police in the UK are searching the properties of Peter Mandelson, the man who until a few weeks ago was the UK's Ambassador to the US, and who's one of many people who after initially talking down their relationship with Epstein, has been proven to have been far closer to the man, to have visited him and stayed with him well after this initial convictions. Ariane de Rothschild, the CEO of the Rothschild Swiss bank, previously said she only met Epstein on bank business, but the files suggest a much chummier relationship, Epstein inviting her to stay at his apartment.    My third takeaway is that even though nothing illegal is alleged on their behalf, some of the high-profile names associated with Epstein have forever tarnished their reputations through their enduring relationships with him.   Bill Gates continuing to communicate with Epstein for years. Noam Chomsky tendering advice to Epstein on surviving a media storm relating to his criminal charges. And of course, the greatest fall from grace outside of Epstein himself, the former Prince Andrew, disgraced, stripped of his titles, and with no realistic path back to respect.    The files may not have proved a great conspiracy, but they have been incredibly illuminating. And as I've digested the reporting and analysis, the communications of incredibly powerful people who never imagined their messages would be publicised, I've been reminded of a salient quote.   "The measure of a person's character is what they do when no one is watching." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It Was Just An Accident   In Iran, a man bumps into the man he believes to be his former torturer. However, faced with this person who fiercely denies having been his tormentor, doubt sets in.    Melania   Twenty days before the 2025 presidential inauguration, Melania Trump navigates the complexities of the White House transition as she prepares for the role of first lady once again.      LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sometimes we forget about trusted old favourites in favour of the latest trend or new fancy ingredient, but can you remember your first blueberry muffin? The joy and juiciness of each bite, the fact that they’re very likely better on day two, and that buttering them will change your life. Make the most of late season blueberries this weekend.    Makes 12 regular muffins       Ingredients  2/3 cup white sugar + extra for topping   ¼ cup lightly packed brown sugar   2 medium eggs   ¾ cup plain yogurt   120g melted butter or oil   1 ¾ cups plain flour   1 generous tsp baking powder   ½ tsp sea salt   ½ tsp baking soda   1 tbsp lemon zest,    1 tsp vanilla extract   1 punnet fresh or frozen blueberries      Method  Preheat oven to 180C. Line 12 standard muffin tins with liners or baking paper or grease well with oil.   Beat sugars with eggs in a large bowl and then whisk in yoghurt and butter.   Add flour, baking powder, salt and baking soda and stir to combine. Don’t over mix it. Fold in blueberries.   Divide among prepared muffin holes. Sprinkle each muffin with a decent sprinkle of sugar and bake until golden brown and baked through, 17–20 minutes.   Let cool on a wire rack for 10 minutes before easing each muffin from the tin.     Nici's note: These freeze well.      LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The 2026 Winter Olympic Games are just one week away.   New Zealand’s presence at the Games is growing, with 17 athletes set to compete this year.  And though he won’t be competing this year, two-time Winter Olympic medallist Nico Porteous knows how they’ll be feeling.  At age 16, he won the Bronze at the 2018 Games in PyeongChang, and four years later, took the Gold in Beijing.   But last year he decided to shift focus, stepping away from the Olympic-level competition.  Porteous had been in high performance and competitive environments since he was ten years old, and felt it was time for something new.  “We’re lucky that in our sport, competition isn’t everything,” he told Jack Tame.  “With the support of sponsors, we can move into different areas such as, y’know, making films and doing one off projects, so that areas has always really excited me and inspired me.”  And with two Olympic medals under his belt, a raft of other titles, and even a New Zealand Order of Merit to his name, he felt he had achieved what he wanted to on the competition side of things.   “I felt like it was the right time to step aside.”   But for those heading to the Olympics this year, Porteous does have some advice.  “Just worry about yourself and worry about your own performance,” he said.  “There’s a lot of external stuff that can sort of come into play, so I think the biggest skill that I took out of it and learned in the whole process was to just worry about what you’re doing and your process.”  “Be driven by your own process, rather than someone else’s ambitions or goals for you.”  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Privacy has been a big topic of discussion this week, and it got Kevin Milne and his wife Linda thinking about the old Yellow and White Pages.  There was a time where every household had their own copy, and while they haven’t been discontinued entirely, they are a lot less common nowadays.  But one notable year, some workers at Yellow Pages pulled a Banksy, and the doodle wasn’t noticed until much too late.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The fifth studio album from NZ indie-rock quartet Yumi Zouma, ‘No Love Lost To Kindness’ is a turning point for the band.  In this album they made a deliberate effort to shed the soft-focus production of their previous works in favour of a heavy and more emotionally exposed feeling  ‘No Love Lost To Kindness’ was recorded in Mexico City, and tackles themes of confrontation, diagnosis, disillusionment, risk, and honesty.   Chris Schulz joined Jack Tame to share his thoughts on the album.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"For Kiwis heading to Asia or onwards to Europe, Singapore can feel like the gateway to the world. But rather than just transiting at Changi Airport, breaking up long-haul flights with a restorative layover in the Lion City is one of my tried and trusted ways to minimise the insidious scourge of travel fatigue. For Kiwi families travelling with children, I strongly recommend threading a stopover on Sentosa Island into your long-haul plans to combat jetlag. It’s like a holiday within a holiday, a destination within a destination. Some of the youngest members of my wider family recently enjoyed a wondrous time on Sentosa – and it far exceeded their expectations." Read Mike's full article. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dear Debbie by Frieda McFadden   Sometimes, enough is enough…  Debbie Mullen is losing it. For years, she has compiled all of her best advice into her column, Dear Debbie, where the wives of New England come for sympathy and neighborly advice. Through her work, Debbie has heard from countless women who are ignored, belittled, or even abused by their husbands. And Debbie does her best to guide them in the right direction.  Or at least, she did.  These days, Debbie’s life seems to be spiraling out of control. She just lost her job. Something strange is happening with her teenage daughters. And her husband is keeping secrets, according to the tracking app she installed on his phone. Now, Debbie’s done being the bigger person. She’s done being reasonable and practical. It’s time to take her own advice.  And now it’s time for payback against all the people in her life who deserve it the most.     Meet the Newmans by Jennifer Niven   For two decades, Del and Dinah Newman and their sons, Guy and Shep, have ruled television as America’s Favorite Family. Millions of viewers tune in every week to watch them play flawless, black-and-white versions of themselves. But now it’s 1964, and the Newmans’ idealized apple-pie perfection suddenly feels woefully out of touch. Ratings are in free fall, as are the Newmans themselves. Del is keeping an explosive secret from his wife, and Dinah is slowly going numb—literally. Steady, stable Guy is hiding the truth about his love life, and the charmed luck of rock ‘n roll idol Shep may have finally run out.  Then Del—the creative motor behind the show—is in a mysterious car accident, Dinah decides to take matters into her own hands. She hires Juliet Dunne, an outspoken, impassioned young reporter, to help her write the final episode. But Dinah and Juliet have wildly different perspectives about what it means to be a woman, and a family, in 1964. Can the Newmans hold it together to change television history? Or will they be canceled before they ever have the chance?  Funny, big-hearted, and deeply moving, Meet the Newmans is a rich family story about the dual lives we lead. Because even when our lives aren’t televised weekly, we all have a behind-the-scenes.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We’re all guilty of buying things we don’t need sometimes, but there are ways to curb that behaviour and make things a little bit more sustainable.  Kate Hall has a list of things she’s not buying in 2026, paper towels, seasonal decor, and fast fashion just a few, but instead of giving them up entirely, she’s figured out a few alternative options.  She joined Jack Tame to discuss her full list of swaps.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For one reason or another, many people don’t think about what will happen when they die. What will happen to their belongings, their money, their assets.   But in a world where blended families and complicated dynamics are becoming increasingly common, it’s becoming more and more important to ensure you have a will organised.   Ed McKnight joined Jack Tame to discuss the importance of having a will – telling a story of how the lack of one tore one family apart.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast for Saturday 31 January 2026, two-time Winter Olympic medallist Nico Porteous joins Jack to discuss his decision to step away from high-level competition, how Kiwi athletes will be feeling in the lead-up to the 2026 Winter Olympic Games, and who he has his eyes on as ones to watch.  Jack considers the parental juggle.  Jack's success at growing a singular pomegranate is being celebrated! Chef Nici Wickes uses it to transform kūmara from side dish to star performer.  And Ruud Kleinpaste shares tips on growing pomegranates of your own.  Get the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast every Saturday on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Growing Pomegranates is not a very popular gardening subject in New Zealand, yet, once you get into it you might be surprised what the shrub looks like and how the fruits taste when fully grown and mature.  Punica granatum is the one with red flowers that hails from the Mediterrané and Tropical and Sub-Tropical regions.  The Socotran Pomegranate hails from the Socotra Island (Yemen) and has pink flowers but less sweet fruit when it ripens.  My research tells me they grow well in warm regions, but I saw them growing well in Canterbury too, as long as the frosts aren’t too extreme.  Plant in winter…  Generally speaking, plant in a sunny spot (regular sun-light for most of the day) with a large area of well drained fertile soil of good depth (50 cm deep is a good start). Regular watering (not over-watering!) is appreciated and will allow the plant to move upwards.  Citrus fertiliser (with a decent amount of Potash in the N-P-K ration) is a great boost from springtime till autumn. Every two weeks or so will help the plant nicely.  From spring till autumn the flowers, followed by developing fruit, will absorb the food.  There are dwarf varieties (“Nana”) that are suitable to plant in large pots – they can grow to a meter long.  Often it takes three years for a plant to become habitual growers of bright-red flowers, followed by the red fruit. In some warm conditions (Northland, Auckland, coastal Hawke’s Bay, etc) the Pomegranates might take two (sometimes three) years to start delivering the fruit.  In summer, the flowers fade a bit towards an orangey look – pollinating insects will by then have done their job.  Fruit will develop in autumn or slightly later. A regular but light pruning after harvest will keep the plant in great condition for development in springtime.  Sometimes the plants show growth of “suckers” popping up beside the main trunk – when the plant is grafted, these suckers can also develop below the graft. Suckers are exactly what their name suggests, “useless suckers” that won’t develop any flowers and subsequent fruit for the future – get rid of them!  When the plant gets into the ripening phase, some sap-sucking invertebrates can do some damage: MealyBugs, Aphids, whitefly, and scale insects. Grab a Neem Oil or Conqueror Oil and smack them every fortnight.  Enjoy this fruit! Yes, it can be a bit messy, but hey! Try it out!  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Apple makes a surprise acquisition   Apple isn't known for being an M&A machine, but has made a $2 billion deal (according to the FT) to purchase an AI company – surprise, surprise. Q.ai is a four-year-old startup in the speech detection space, which can understand whispered speech and improve speech detection in noisy environments. They also have a patent to read your lips and understand micro-expressions on your face. I'd expect to see this new tech deployed on the Vision Pro and the AirPods. Q.ai has 100 employees – that's $20m of value per employee.     Apple beat Wall Street’s expectations   They announced $143.8 billion in revenue for Q4, which was about 4% higher than expected. CEO Tim Cook said the iPhone 17 was seeing “unprecedented demand”. The stock didn't pop, with fears around memory prices surging, supply chain issues, and Apple's seeming lack of AI strategy.     Amazon let 16,000 people go  A staggering number, and it was done by email. Some woke at 3am to a text telling them to check their email. They say it's to remove layers of bureaucracy and “increase ownership”. Amazon has 1.57 million staff across its businesses, and this was in their corporate division of 350,000 personnel, meaning a cut of about 4.6%.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Wonder Man  Hollywood actor Simon Williams is thrust into the world of superheroes as he gets powers of his own, and becomes the new superhero Wonder Man (Disney+).     Memory of a Killer   Losing one's memory is a devastating hammer blow for anyone, but for Angelo, the stakes couldn't be higher. His hit man job would be perilous enough, but there's an added pressure: Angelo lives two totally separate lives -- fearsome NYC hitman, and sleepy upstate Cooperstown photocopier salesman and father.   Having built and maintained a brick wall between his two worlds, Angelo has seamlessly juggled and compartmentalized for years. But now that's all about to change, because Alzheimer's is a foe he can't outrun, and he knows too well how this ends, as his older brother is already lost to the condition (Neon).    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Secret Agent   In 1977, Marcelo, a technology teacher, moves from São Paulo to Recife during Carnival to escape his violent past and start over. He finds the city full of chaos, and his neighbours begin to spy on him.    Nouvelle Vague   The story of New Wave icon Jean-Luc Godard making Breathless, told with the same rule-breaking, freewheeling style he used to make it.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This dish magically transforms kūmara from side dish to star performer, and I can’t get enough of it.    Serves 2-4      Ingredients   2 orange kūmara, halved, skin on   2 tablespoons olive oil    1 tablespoon pomegranate molasses    1 teaspoon smoked paprika   ½ teaspoon sea salt   4 tablespoons pumpkin seeds   Small handful of mint & coriander   ½ cup fresh pomegranate arils/seeds   Yoghurt Dressing   ½ cup Greek yoghurt    1 tablespoon tahini   1 tablespoon pomegranate molasses   ½ teaspoon sea salt      Method  Heat oven to 180C. Line a tray with baking paper.    Mix oil with pomegranate molasses and paprika and rub/brush all over the kūmara. Lay out on the prepared tray, sprinkle with salt and roast for 45 minutes or until soft and cooked through.   Toss in the pumpkin seeds in the final 5-10 minutes and they will toast and puff up.   To make the yoghurt dressing, whisk yoghurt with tahini, pomegranate molasses, and salts until combined.    Serve the warm kūmara drizzled with yoghurt dressing and scattered with mint, toasted pumpkin seeds, and pomegranate seeds.      Nici’s note: Use pumpkin or cauliflower in place of kūmara if you like.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In our house this week, the juggle gets real.  After a year’s maternity leave, my wife is heading back to work. With a nearly-one-year-old and a nearly-nine-year-old, we’re balancing the two kids with two working parents. Every day is logistical jiu jitsu.   My wife has been making this point for ages, but as we’ve counted down the days to the new normal, I’ve come to appreciate its salience more than ever. Even though young people are the key to our future, economic and otherwise, somehow we’ve created a society that makes things incredible tricky for many young families.  First of all, to have a reasonable middle-class, home-owning life, most households need two working parents. There are exceptions of course, but I reckon most need two working parents. It’s my sense that this didn’t use to be the case. In the post-war years it was quite normal to have households with one working parent. It wasn’t that families were flush with cash! It’s just that relative to incomes, housing and the cost of living was more affordable.  So, two working parents for most middle-class households. Many jobs, if not most, will require staff to work an eight-hour day – 9am-5pm. But school, oh no, that’s a six-hour day – 9am-3pm, which means if you’re on pickup duties, you probably need to be checking out of work at about 2.30.  Consider the holidays. Standard leave provisions for a fulltime worker in New Zealand are four weeks annual leave plus the public holidays. That means that in a two-parent house, if the parents never have more than a long weekend off together, they can cover eight weeks a year.  But kids? They get at least twelve weeks of school holidays. Hmm.  I’m convinced school holidays programmes and after school care were not nearly as common or necessary when I was a kid, let alone in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.    For younger children, it’s just as challenging. Sure, the Government has increased its maternity provisions (my Mum got nothing, back in the day!), but while they provide 20 hours free childcare for children over the age of three, maternity payments are only for the first six months of a baby’s life. Even though supposedly a child’s first 1000 days are the most important, there’s a two-and-a-half-year gap in support.    So what is a family to do if their grandparents aren’t around or available every day to help? One parent can choose to stay home with the child, or a parent can go back to work and effectively redirect all of their income into childcare. Neither option is amazing.   New Zealand’s birth rate has massively dropped off in the last few decades. Same with our fertility rate. We don’t yet face the same kind of population crisis that afflicts the likes of Italy and South Korea, but as the eldest of four, something tells me the sale of Mitsubishi Chariots has dropped off in recent years. You don’t see anywhere near as many bigger families as you were the norm a few decades ago.  And I want to be clear: we are very, very fortunate. I’m lucky to be pretty well-paid. We have support. We make it work. But it’s still a real hustle. And what for the working families who don’t have the same income, support close by, or flexible employers, or more help with childcare?  For so many families it must be more than a juggle. It’s a real struggle.    And I’m not sure that’s in anyone’s interest. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Royal Edinburgh Military Tattoo is a globally acclaimed celebration of military tradition, music, ceremony, and cultural performance.   It has been running for 75 years and in that time has only ever been performed overseas on five occasions.   And for the first time in a decade, the Royal Edinburgh Military Tattoo will return to New Zealand – performing for the very first time at Auckland’s Eden Park in February with the theme ‘The Heroes Who Made Us’.    Staff Sergeant David Fiu is a standout member of the NZDF Army band and will be taking part in what is set to be a phenomenal event.  He told Jack Tame he’s been fortunate to attend the Tattoo in Edinburgh seven times during his career with the NZ Army.  “I certainly do not take that for granted,” Fiu said.  “I really check myself when I’m there because it’s probably easy, midway through the season, to sort of get a little bit complacent.”   It’s a bucket list moment for many, Fiu explained to Jack Tame, and many people come at that time to experience Edinburgh itself.  “So you only can give, give off your best, otherwise you’re sort of selling them short.”  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

An ode to a Kiwi-created sport.  The Manu World Champs are currently underway, with the Grand Final taking place in mid-March.   It’s such a quintessentially Kiwi sport, and Kevin Milne would love to see it grow even further.   LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

January is nearing its end, but there’s plenty to come throughout the rest of the year.  Chris Schulz joined Jack Tame to preview some of the albums set to release this year, and delve into some of the rumours floating around the music scene.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Winner by David Baldacci  The Dream  She is twenty, beautiful, dirt-poor, and hoping for a better life for her infant daughter when LuAnn Tyler is offered the gift of a lifetime, a $100 million lottery jackpot. All she has to do is change her identity and leave the U.S. forever.  The Killer  It's an offer she dares to refuse...until violence forces her hand and thrusts her into a harrowing game of high-stakes, big-money subterfuge. It's a price she won't fully pay...until she does the unthinkable and breaks the promise that made her rich.  The Winner  For if LuAnn Tyler comes home, she will be pitted against the deadliest contestant of all: the chameleonlike financial mastermind who changed her life. And who can take it away at will...     On the Edge by Kate Horan   Desperate people do desperate things...  Sixteen years ago, teenage Maddie Marshall's body was found on a desolate beach near her hometown, Carrinya. Vibrant, feisty Maddie was the only daughter of a high-profile politician. The case was the talk of the town but was ultimately never solved.  Nel Foley, daughter of the town doctor and Maddie's best friend, was the last known person to see her alive, and the Carrinya rumour mill was vicious. Nel fled the town and has never been back. Until now.  Now a 32-year-old city GP, Nel returns after her father's sudden death, determined to get in and out as quickly as possible. Begrudgingly, she agrees to run his clinic for a few weeks, but during that time she meets local mum Sophie Warner and that changes everything.  Sophie's husband Ryan, a prominent local real estate agent, was Maddie's boyfriend and Nel is certain he played a role in her death. When Nel discovers that Ryan is not the loving husband and father that he seems, she decides she must prove what he did all those years ago. But as she starts to unravel the past, she discovers the truth is far more complex than she could have imagined.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A spree of global travel industry specialists have been reading the tea leaves, seeking to map out what are the trends to look for, in the way we travel, where to travel to, and what we're travelling for. Mike Yardley sifts through the lists of touted travel trends to identify the most commonly pinpointed features. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast for Saturday 24 January 2026, standout member of the NZ Army band SSGT David Fiu joins Jack ahead of their performance in the Royal Edinburgh Military Tattoo, set to take place in Auckland next month.  Jack shares the change of perspective becoming a parent has had on his reaction to natural disasters.  Nici Wickes shares comfort food with a summer twist.  Mike Yardley tracks the hottest trends in travel for 2026 and explains why grocery stores are becoming hot spots.  Plus, Oscar nominations are out. Francesca Rudkin gets stuck into one of the high hitters 'Marty Supreme' and shares her thoughts on the Best Picture picks.  Get the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast every Saturday on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Turns out that not only is swearing good for pain, but it may also increase performance.  In many situations where physical effort or performance is required, people often hold themselves back, and holding back emotionally can lead to underperforming physically as well.  Dr Dougal Sutherland joined Jack Tame to discuss the growing evidence that “letting it all hang out”, aka shouting, grunting, and even swearing, can benefit your performance.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In my Gum trees I have a good colony of Aussie Silk Moths, aka gum emperor moth caterpillars – they live and feed on gum trees (but also on liquidambar).  Now’s the time to look for them in the “wild” – in the South Island they occur all the way down to Canterbury (Lincoln and Banks Peninsula is as far south as they get). The smallest caterpillars are quite dark in colour – almost blackish and about 8mm long. As they grow (and shed their skins) they change their colours and cause distinct chewing marks on the lower gum leaves.    In a few weeks they’ll grow bigger and bigger until they end up being 12 centimetres long and absolutely gorgeous. If you think that daddy longlegs are fascinating, show the kids these caterpillars!  The growing caterpillars move further and further upwards in the tree, often preferring the freshest leaves. In the meantime, caterpillar colours have become green and blue with stunning legs, feet, tubercles and nodes in orange and red, pretending to be “poisonous”.  After about three weeks they’ll spin a cocoon, brown and rather hard. Ironically this moth belongs to the silk moth family, but this Aussie silk is of rather inferior quality – not soft enough to make clothes from.  The moths will spend most of their time in chrysalis/pupa/cocoon overwintering. What happens inside the cocoon is that remarkable phenomenon of “metamorphosis” – think of it as totally re-arranging the molecules (which made a caterpillar) and forming those into the shape of a moth.  In November/December/January, the chrysalis opens and out comes this amazing brown and pink moth with eye spots. It’s a big moth, with a 15 cm wingspan! These moths mate and the females lay whole strings of relatively large, creamy-white eggs on gum leaves – the eggs hatch in summer and that’s where we are now!  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Concerns over skin cancer with many Kiwis still getting sunburnt.  A new Cancer Society and Otago University survey, has found 64% of respondents were sunburnt at least once last summer, including 26% severely.  Rates were highest among 18 to 24-year-olds, with more than a third reporting at least three sunburns.  Dr Bryan Betty joined Jack Tame to break down the data and discuss some of the best ways to push skin protection to the youth.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

TikTok's US deal is final   Half of TikTok US is owned by new investors, 30% by previous investors, and 20% by the Chinese owned Bytedance.   The US algorithm will now be trained on US data, and all content moderation will be handled by the US entity. It will be governed by a new, seven-member majority-American board. Bytedance is expected to receive a licensing fee on all revenue as well as a share of the profit.     Sony's getting out of the TV space   Sony Bravia TVs will soon be made by TCL. It's spinning out its TV and home audio business, selling 51% to the Chinese company. Sony says it will still be involved, contributing its picture processing and audio technology, and the brand will continue with higher-end picture and sound quality than the TCL brand. Sony has largely been getting out of the 'electronics' space, no longer making PCs and tablets.     A Spotify feature only released in New Zealand is coming to the US   The ability to create a playlist just by typing what you want to listen to has seemingly been popular enough in New Zealand that it will roll out across Spotify's North American users.   You can ask "get focused at work with instrumental pop-hits", or "pump me up with positive upbeat songs". You can even ask it to break you out of your listening habits and play things you haven't listened to this week.   The AI keeps up to date on world of music in real time, including “trends, charts, culture, and history”.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms   A century before the events of "Game of Thrones," two unlikely heroes wander Westeros. In an adaption of George R. R. Martin's novella "The Hedge Knight," a young and naive but courageous knight, Ser Duncan the Tall, and his diminutive squire, Egg, face a series of dangerous exploits. Set in an age when the Targaryen line still holds the Iron Throne and images of the last dragon have not yet passed from living memory, great destinies and powerful foes await these improbable and incomparable friends (Neon).      Steal  An ordinary office worker, Zara, finds herself at the heart of a heist; a typical work day at a pension fund investment company is upended when a gang of violent thieves burst in and force Zara and her best mate Luke to execute their demands (Prime Video).    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is pure comfort food while still being fresh and lively with the addition of fresh, seasonal corn kernels.    Serves 2       Ingredients   200g large-holed pasta or pasta shells    2 tablespoons olive oil    1 onion, finely diced    2–3 rashers bacon, chopped   60g butter   3 tablespoons plain flour    250mls milk   100mls vegetable stock   1 tablespoon mustard powder (or 1 big teaspoon wholegrain mustard)   1 bay leaf    ½ teaspoon sea salt and pepper    100g grated cheese — mix of aged Cheddar, Parmesan, Gruyère, crumbled blue or whatever you please    1 cup spinach leaves, chopped (optional)   1 cup corn kernels, freshly cut from the cob    Breadcrumbs + extra grated Cheddar and Parmesan for the crunchy top       Method   Preheat the oven to 170°C.   Cook the pasta in large pot of well-salted boiling water until al dente. Once cooked, drain and reserve 1 cup of the pasta water.    Heat oil in a saucepan and sauté onion until soft. Add bacon and fry for 3–4 minutes. Remove and set aside.   Make the cheese sauce in the same pan (I don’t bother with washing it) by melting the butter then stirring in the flour, mixing to a paste. Add half the milk, mustard, bay leaf, salt and pepper, and stir while it comes up to heat and thickens.    Pour in the remaining milk and the stock and cook for 10 minutes, stirring to a smooth sauce.   Whisk in enough pasta water until you have a pouring cream consistency, not a thick béchamel.   Stir in cheeses and heat until they melt into the sauce. Stir in spinach and corn kernels.    In a medium-sized ovenproof dish, mix together the cooked pasta, onion, bacon and cheese sauce until well combined. Sprinkle over breadcrumbs and extra cheese and bake for 20-25 minutes until the topping is golden and crunchy.      LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Marty Supreme  Marty Mauser, a wily hustler with a dream no one respects, goes to hell and back in pursuit of greatness.     The Rip  Finding a secret stash of millions wages internal conflict for a group of Miami officers, pushing trust, loyalty and self-preservation into sharp and dangerous focus.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It’s less than a month to my son’s first birthday and whenever anyone asks me about my experience of becoming a father, I feel like I have nothing new to offer tens of thousands of years of established observations and discourse.   “I just feel,” I say.   “Like all the cliches are true. The intensity of the love. The joy. The exhaustion. It’s all true!”   But one of the things I’ve come to appreciate more is the difference between theory versus experience. There’s stuff I knew about parenting. I understood the theory. But it has taken experiencing it to properly get it, to appreciate it in my marrow.   Case in point: newborn babies almost never look very good. They’re always a bit squished or alien, a bit like a bald marsupial. And yet, when you’re a new parent, you’re sure that your baby is different. Perfect and symmetrical and gorgeous in every way.   I knew this before we had our son. I had observed the phenomenon in close friends. And yet when our boy arrived, I was convinced.   ‘He really is gorgeous. I know it’s a thing. I know new parents get new parent goggles. But this is different!’ I thought.   I look back now, and I’ve sobered up a bit. In the photos he looks like a newborn. It took experiencing that to properly get it.   I’d love this to be a funny little story but sadly it’s not. I just wanted to use the point to illustrate something else. Before having our boy, other parents told me how having a child changed they felt when they heard about accidents or tragedies affecting children in the news.   I could understand it, but I couldn’t understand it if you know what I mean.   This last year, I’ve really noticed the change – for someone who’s worked in news all his life, it’s quite something. This morning, I just cannot stop thinking of the poor families at Mt Maunganui, especially the parents of the young people who are still missing.   Could there be a more iconic Kiwi campground? A happier summer spot?   The response effort is ongoing. But the thought of those families enjoying a summer holiday and all of the joy that brings, the ice creams and the card games and the memories... and for that to end in a moment, in a freak accident, like this... it’s just hideous.   This really isn’t about me. It’s just to say that after Mt Maunganui, I couldn’t help but think a lot about my own boys and just imagine how awful these days and this waiting will have been for those poor families whose kids are missing. It’s another dimension to parenting I had to experience to fully understand.   I love my boys so intensely, but we all know there’s nothing any of us can do to fully protect anyone in this world. Some things are left up to chance and luck. And freak accidents happen. I just hope the poor families at the centre of this have every last bit of support that will possibly help them in any way. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Josh Emett is serving New Zealand up on a plate.   The Kiwi chef’s worked culinary magic in the restaurants of Gordon Ramsey, earning four Michelin Stars before returning home to establish iconic restaurants like Gilt Brasserie and The Oyster Inn.   There’s no doubt the world-renowned chef has played a role in shaping New Zealand’s modern dining scene.   But this year sees him in a very special role as Sail GP’s Culinary Collaborator – responsible for showcasing the country’s cuisine those descending on Auckland for the event.  Emett told Jack Tame he’s still in the scheming phase, but he’s working with a great catering company and they’re going to deliver some excellence.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"Tucked away on the northwest tip of Ireland, Donegal has long been dubbed the nation’s “forgotten county.” No matter where you’re starting from, be it Dublin, Belfast, Shannon or Cork, tripping to Donegal is not a passing-through sort of experience, but a far-flung destination you’ve purposefully decided to visit.    "From rugged cliffs, towering sea stacks and quiet coves to charismatic heritage towns and whispers of the past crowning the landscape, wind-whipped County Donegal fast cast me under its spell." Read Mike's full article here.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ed Sheeran kicked off his Loop Tour last night in Auckland, and he had a few tricks up his sleeve.   With a 10 storey tall screen behind the stage and a bridge that allowed him to perform in the middle of Go Media Stadium, it was a new level of spectacle.   Chris Schulz was at the show last night, and he told Jack Tame Sheeran took it to levels he hadn’t seen before.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Last Encore by Rebecca Heath   A remote island.   It's been eighteen years since the accidental explosion that killed The Cedrics Band lead singer Jonny Rake, and a special documentary is bringing the rest of the band back to play together for the first time.   With Jonny's daughter, Monet, stepping into her father's role, and a private island secured as the perfect reunion backdrop, it's set to be a special occasion. A reunion concert. But everyone remembers what happened on that fatal night differently, and as questions are asked about the band's rise and sudden tragic fall, not everyone likes the answers.   Old wounds reopen and tempers flare... Then a body is found. A killer on stage. They're trapped on the island together until help arrives, but that might be too late. Because Jonny's death wasn't an accident, and someone wants revenge.     Some Bright Nowhere by Ann Packer   Eliot and his wife Claire have been happily married for nearly four decades. They’ve raised two children in their sleepy Connecticut town and have weathered the inevitable ups and downs of a long life spent together. But eight years after Claire was diagnosed with cancer, the end is near, and it is time to gather loved ones and prepare for the inevitable.  Over the years of Claire’s illness, Eliot has willingly—lovingly—shifted into the role of caregiver, appreciating the intimacy and tenderness that comes with a role even more layered and complex than the one he performed as a devoted husband. But as he focuses on settling into what will be their last days and weeks together, Claire makes an unexpected request that leaves him reeling. In a moment, his carefully constructed world is shattered.  What if your partner’s dying wish broke your heart? How well do we know the deepest desires of those we love dearly? As Eliot is confronted with this profound turning point in his marriage and his life, he grapples with the man and husband he’s been, and with the great unknowns of Claire’s last days.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Weddings are often The Event of a Lifetime, with the happy couple going all out to ensure they get the day of their dreams.  But this means weddings are often expensive and can be quite wasteful, with food, decor, and flowers often going to waste once the event is over.  So this wedding season, Kate Hall has a few tips on how you can make your special day a bit more sustainable.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast for Saturday 17 January 2026, world renowned Kiwi chef Josh Emett joins Jack in studio to talk about his very special role as Sail GP's culinary collaborator and shares his thoughts on New Zealand's incoming Michelin Star system.  Jack considers Razor's first mistake as All Blacks Coach.  Chef Nici Wickes shares a delicious summer dessert for one – Blackberry and Apple Galette.  Francesca Rudkin reviews the Oscar-tipped Shakespeare telling, Hamnet.  And sustainability expert Kate Hall gives tips on how to keep things low cost and environmentally friendly during wedding season.  Get the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show Podcast every Saturday on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

They’re an absolute nuisance in summer, especially around the barbeque later in the day!  If you’ve been in Australia during the holidays, you may have been near the coast with ponds and rivers, inlets and wetlands. There you’ll find salt-marsh mosquito – nasty biters (that species was eradicated from NZ some decades ago – just as well, it transmits Ross River Virus).  In New Zealand we don’t have any capable vectors of malaria or dengue or Chikungunya or encephalitis – biosecurity is important!  Our mozzies live in stagnant water. In the garden, a tyre-swing collects water during rain and mozzie larvae will inhabit that tyre. Blocked guttering, ponds, troughs, buckets, stock hoof-prints, etc, as well.  We even have a native species (Salt Pool Mosquito) in saltwater pools near rocky shores: Northland, Goat Island Marine Reserve, Bay of Plenty, Kaikoura. They bite too, especially during the day.  The idea is to use repellent – frequently!  The girls need protein to produce eggs, and that comes in the form of blood – especially from mammals and birds. Just a drop… that’s all they need.  Personally, I think that our mosquitoes are great parts of our environment; not many people realise that they have good jobs to do:  Larvae (juvenile phase) go up and down in water – they breathe through a snorkel system in their bum (which can have serious drawbacks).  They eat bacterial soup and clean the water, really. They change skin, moulting a few times, turning into a comma-shaped pupa/chrysalis before hatching as an adult mosquito with wings and an attitude (females only - males drink nectar and pollinate).  Larvae clean the water and are food for whitebait, aquatic insects and a huge food chain that follows.  The adult, flying, mosquitoes feed native birds (fantails, etc), dragonflies, jumping spiders, and a whole cohort of useful predators!  And with that drop of blood, you sponsor a complete ecological system: tolerance, please!  LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Paddy Borthwick Pinot Gris 2025, Wairarapa   RRP $26.99   Pinot Gris’s perfect drinking window is from the day of release and usually around two years. With some wines it may be more.   This wine ticks all the boxes of freshness and vibrancy starting with a varietal and very fruity bouquet with a concentration of pear and apple flesh scents, then some white spice and white florals, some dandelion and white pepper. Medium weight with a satin-cream mouthfeel, flavours of white fleshed fruits touch the palate carried along with acidity and youthful freshness. Well-made with a lengthy leesy finish.      Food match:   Chicken, leek and sweet potato bake. This recipe also includes cream, Gouda cheese, and Dijon mustard. The dish has weight and intensity, creaminess and lots of touch points of flavours. The Paddy Gris offers the fruit contrast, has enough weight and an acid line to deliver a palate refreshing finish.   Option 2: If you are a fan of corn on the cob with lashings of butter and salt then a glass of Paddy B Gris is a delicious accompaniment.       The Vintage:   Overall, it was blessed vintage in the region with higher volumes compared to the previous four vintages. Plenty of ripe fruit with above average quality overall.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Apple's smarter Siri will now be powered by Google   Apple has signed a multi-year deal worth billions for Google Gemini technology to bring the enhanced Siri to life.    It will be a custom model made for Apple and will run locally on Apple devices when it can, and when it needs the power of the cloud will run in Apple's private data centres.   Google and Apple have had a long relationship in which Google paid Apple billions to be the default search engine, and now they're returning the favour.   Apple hyped Apple Intelligence last year, but it never really launched with any real enhancements or intelligence, and the company was forced to pull back from their aggressive marketing pitch.      IKEA made a splash at the Consumer Electronics Show   They turned some of their most popular lamps 'smart', have an impressive array of smart bulbs, and have a range of accessories like buttons, switches, and plugs.   Later this year they'll be rolling out even more items, such as outdoor smart switches, premium speakers (they're circular and can be mounted on stand or attached to the wall), and a seriously cheap Bluetooth speaker (which will retail for $10 in the US).    They're using the 'Matter' framework for the smart home connectivity so it will play nice with devices from a range of vendors.    LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.