Ringer Dish

An explosive letter sent to Clubhouse Media Group’s board of directors leads to an internal investigation. Leadership clashes as the company moves toward more explicit content. As the series concludes, influencers and staff reflect on their time in the company’s content houses. Host: Alyssa Bereznak Producers: Kaya McMullen, Amanda Dobbins, Conor Nevins, and Vikram Patel Sound Design: Kaya McMullen Mixing and Mastering: Scott Somerville Original Music: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins are back to discuss more end-of-the-year celebrity news, featuring J.Lo’s 73 Questions with 'Vogue' (2:59), Ellen Pompeo’s home by the beach (15:48), Nia Long’s feature with The Hollywood Reporter, (20:42) and more! Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The ‘Tea Time’ crew checks in with their Spotify Wrapped playlists, which featured “It’s Gonna Be Me” by ’NSync and “9 to 5” by Dolly Parton (1:00). Harry Styles and Olivia Wilde have broken up after two years of dating (18:25). This week’s Cringe Mode is ‘Disenchanted’ (31:14). And what is your favorite celebrity interview clip (46:59)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As Clubhouse Media Group’s stock price continues to climb, the company takes a celebratory trip to Vegas. But what happens in Vegas doesn't stay there; tensions between management and the influencers spill out into the public. Host: Alyssa Bereznak Producers: Kaya McMullen, Amanda Dobbins, Conor Nevins, and Vikram Patel Sound Design: Kaya McMullen Mixing and Mastering: Scott Somerville Original Music: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins sit down to discuss some celebrity news including Kim K and Balenciaga (6:41), airport tabloid check-in featuring Jennifer Aniston, (15:11) Adele’s Vegas residency (22:05) and end of the episode with the 4th annual ‘Jam Session’ Holiday Gift Guide! (24:42) Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Gift Guide Includes: Odeon granola https://www.theodeonrestaurant.com/odeon-gifts/granola Desk vacuum https://www.amazon.com/ODISTAR-Endurance-Cordless-Rotatable-Keyboard/dp/B07Q128V6W PSTR Studio https://www.pstrstudio.com/ Pendleton https://www.pendleton-usa.com/ Book EndsBillie subscription https://mybillie.com/ Remember Duffle Travel Bag https://store.moma.org/products/remember-duffle-travel-ba Books: -Min Jin Lee Twosome https://www.indiebound.org/buy-local/9781455563920 https://www.indiebound.org/buy-local/9781538722022 -Geoff Dyer / Roger Federer https://www.indiebound.org/buy-local/9780374605568 -I Dream of Dinner https://www.indiebound.org/buy-local/9780593232514 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amir Ben-Yohanan sets his sights on turning Clubhouse the content house into Clubhouse Media Group, a publicly traded company. And thanks to some good luck, meme stocks, and a stray Elon Musk tweet, it looks for a moment like it might just work. Host: Alyssa Bereznak Producers: Kaya McMullen, Amanda Dobbins, Conor Nevins, and Vikram Patel Sound Design: Kaya McMullen Mixing and Mastering: Scott Somerville Original Music: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins break down some of the biggest pop culture news currently happening. The two discuss Juliet’s love of WAGS (1:18) in honor of World Cup season, then talk about the latest buzzing couple, Emily Ratajkowski and Pete Davidson (23:37). Finally, they weigh in on Leo DiCaprio’s “no phones allowed,” rule at his 48th birthday bash (28:50). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zac Efron has a new role in a wrestling movie that requires him to have a haircut like Lord Farquad (1:00). Pete Davidson and Emily Ratajkowski are dating because of course they are (13:08). This week’s Cringe Mode is the 2007 movie ‘Enchanted’ (22:28). And just how hard is it to get tickets for Taylor Swift’s Eras Tour (43:48)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

At first, living in a luxurious content house is like a dream for Leslie Golden, Daisy Keech, and all their friends. But it doesn't take long for this utopian arrangement to start showing some cracks. Host: Alyssa Bereznak Producers: Kaya McMullen, Amanda Dobbins, Conor Nevins, and Vikram Patel Sound Design: Kaya McMullen Mixing and Mastering: Scott Somerville Original Music: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins return to discuss this week’s pop culture news, including J.Lo’s Vogue cover and interview about her new marriage with Ben Affleck (1:03). Then, they discuss Season 5 of ‘The Crown’ (11:42) with SPOILERS (12:48), an interesting New York Times article about a Norwegian princess (24:01), and Lindsay Lohan’s return to the movies (28:38). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

People Magazine has crowned Chris Evans as it's 2022 Sexiest Man Alive (1:00). Cher is dating Amber Rose's ex-boyfriend and Phoebe Bridgers and Paul Mescal are reportedly engaged (11:13). This week's Cringe Mode is 'Falling for Christmas,' Lindsay Lohan's first movie since 2013 (25:06). And would you rather participate in a cooking show or host a talk show every night (48:12)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate Halliwell and Amelia Wedemeyer join forces once again for Day 9 of our 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan! Kate and Amelia break down the last 11 months of Lindsay’s life—they take you through her engagement, wedding, and boomer-saturated social media posts, as well as her movie deal with Netflix. Hosts: Amelia Wedemeyer and Kate Halliwell Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

That’s how you throw a party in Mykonos! Amelia Wedemeyer and Jodi Walker are back on Day 8 of 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan to talk about her infamous beach club in Greece and the MTV show that captured it all. Hosts: Amelia Wedemeyer and Jodi Walker Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

For Day 7 of 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Dobbins and Amelia Wedemeyer revisit the 2013 New York Times piece that detailed Lohan's tumultuous time on the set of the movie 'Canyons.' Read the piece here. Hosts: Amanda Dobbins and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So what exactly is a content house? In this episode, we'll examine the evolution of creators banding together for clout, from the early days of Team 10 all the way up to the height of the TikTok boom—and all the internet gossip that came with it. Host: Alyssa Bereznak Producers: Kaya McMullen, Amanda Dobbins, Conor Nevins, and Vikram Patel Sound Design: Kaya McMullen Mixing and Mastering: Scott Somerville Original Music: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins are back to discuss this week's celebrity news, featuring Tom Cruise’s secret friendship with Queen Elizabeth II (2:39), Aaron Carter’s passing (17:31), Jennifer Lawrence’s new movie ‘Causeway’ (18:03), Tyler Perry’s response to the antisemitism discussion (20:16), and Will Smith post–Oscars slap (22:21). Also featured on Day 6 of our 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan, the ladies discuss Lindsay in the year 2007 (27:43). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kate Halliwell and Amelia Wedemeyer clock in for Day 5 of our 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan! In this mini episode, Kate and Amelia discuss Lindsay’s best sponcon moments, ranging from print ads in 2004, all the way to social media shills in the 2020s. Hosts: Amelia Wedemeyer and Kate Halliwell Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's Day 4 of our 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan. Today, Juliet Litman and Amelia Wedemeyer discuss their favorite theories regarding the online rumors about Lohan potentially being a twin. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amelia Wedemeyer Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Goop Gift Guide, Heidi Klum's Worm Costume, and Lindsay Lohan's Feuds | Tea Time Merry Christmas! The Goop Gift Guide is here and suggestions for this year include a bag of manure and a $250,000 vintage Bronco (1:00). Heidi Klum dressed up as a very realistic looking worm for Halloween this year (18:59). On Day 3 of our 10 days of Lindsay Lohan, we're talking about some of her most famous feuds (31:28). And who knew that Joe Jonas dated so many people (42:29)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Kaya McMullen Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Zack Peter are checking in for Day 2 of 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan. Going back to the year 2004, the duo chat about Lindsay's romance with Aaron Carter, feud with Hilary Duff, singing career, and more. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Zack Peter Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to 10 Days of Lindsay Lohan, a series of short episodes celebrating the life, times, and career of the 'Mean Girls' star. First up: her less-celebrated movie roles. Hosts: Amanda Dobbins and Jodi Walker Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leslie Golden was working as a pole dancer in San Antonio, still figuring out her life—until one day she blew up on social media. She underwent a whirlwind social media makeover, partying on yachts, jet-setting to Thailand, and moving into a luxury West Hollywood mansion with other influencers. What could go wrong? Host: Alyssa Bereznak Producers: Kaya McMullen, Amanda Dobbins, Conor Nevins, and Vikram Patel Sound Design: Kaya McMullen Mixing and Mastering: Scott Somerville Original Music: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Happy Halloween pop culture super fans! In this special spooky episode of Pop Culture History Lesson, Kate Halliwell and Amelia Wedemeyer take a journey through celebrity Halloween: past, present, and future. Kate and Amelia discuss the iconic Halloween parties of years past, the best (and worst) costumes and parties happening this year, as well as their hopes and dreams for the future of celebrity Halloween. Hosts: Kate Halliwell and Amelia Wedemeyer Producers: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In case you're staying home this weekend instead of braving the Halloween bar scene, we have some streaming recommendations for you (1:00). It's hard not to compare Jacob Elordi to Austin Butler as he gets ready to portray Elvis in a separate movie that's currently filming (8:31). This week's Cringe Mode is 'Beetlejuice' (21:57), and why are there conspiracy theories that Katy Perry may be a robot (42:14)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins are back to discuss more celebrity news, including James Corden’s behavior at Keith McNally’s Balthazar (2:34), updates on Olivia Wilde and Jason Sudeikis’ split (12:53), Matthew Perry’s memoir (28:24), Taylor Swifts’ new album (32:11), the U.S. Grand Prix (34:55), and more! Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apparently Olivia Wilde makes a really good salad dressing, and James Corden was banned and then un-banned from the New York restaurant Balthazar (1:00). Billy Ray Cyrus is seemingly engaged to a woman named Firerose (18:28). This week's Cringe Mode is 'Zombieland' (25:32), and why does Kris Jenner want her ashes made into jewelry for her kids (47:00)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins sit down to discuss Juliet’s wild weekend at BravoCon (0:40), J.Lo at HomeGoods (19:28), Robert Kraft's surprise wedding (22:20), Olivia Wilde on the cover of Elle magazine (27:06), and more! Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you haven't figured out yet what to be for Halloween this year, maybe consider sweaty Elvis, Julia Fox, or the 'Don't Worry Darling' cast (1:00). Madonna, Shay Mitchell, and Emily Ratajkowski all seemingly came out via TikTok this week (10:17). Cringe Mode for this week is the pilot of 'Scream Queens' (20:18). And would you pay $1,800 to carry around what looks like a bag of Lays (41:51)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amelia and Zack Peter dive into the now-15-year-old Vanity Fair article written by Judith Newman “Moms Gone Wild,” which chronicles the outlandish behaviors of Hollywood mothers, specifically Kathy Hilton, Dina Lohan, and Lynne Spears. With Kathy Hilton splashed across our screens lately and Britney Spears free from her conservatorship and boldly speaking on her mistreatment at her family’s hands, we thought it prudent to revisit this sensational article from 2007. Hosts: Amelia Wedemeyer and Zack Peter Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins sit down to discuss celebrity news, including Tom Brady and Gisele Bündchen's divorce (4:18), Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s severed marriage (14:09), Michaela Coel’s Vogue cover (18:20), Rita Ora’s house (30:06), and more. They end their conversation with some personal pop culture news (32:04), featuring Lily James’s “Only Natural Diamonds,” ‘The Empress,’ and more. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

According to "Witchtok," Gisele has been using witchcraft to make Tom Brady good at football (1:00). Doja Cat has been experimenting with lots of fun looks while at Paris Fashion Week (11:20). This week's Cringe Mode is 'Hocus Pocus 2' (21:19). And are vampires having a comeback (40:08)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Amelia Wedemeyer is joined by Jodi Walker to discuss the 10-year anniversary of Hulk Hogan’s sex tape being published by Gawker and the conspiracy theory behind it all. Host: Amelia Wedemeyer, Jodi Walker Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins discuss Kim Kardashian being charged with illegally promoting a cryptocurrency product (7:41), Alex Rodriguez’s well-wishes to former fiancée J.Lo and the children (15:05), Robert Downey Jr.’s massive new estate in Malibu (29:48), Lindsay Lohan’s comeback to the screen (33:44), and more. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We learned about what's going on with a group of YouTubers called The Try Guys so you don't have to (1:00). Rihanna has been confirmed to perform at the 2023 Super Bowl (19:28). This week's Cringe Mode is the 2002 movie 'Scooby Doo' (28:35). And should we all be watching 'Celebrity Jeopardy' (48:52)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Over the weekend, Rihanna officially announced that she’d be breaking her six-year music hiatus to perform at the Super Bowl LVII halftime show, and Ringer writers Jodi Walker and Charles Holmes have thoughts! Jodi and Charles break down Rihanna’s careers in both music and business, debate which songs would be best to play during her set, and more. Hosts: Jodi Walker and Charles Holmes Producers: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins close their discussion on ‘Don’t Worry Darling,' the final reviews, the drama, and more (1:30) with SPOILERS (5:15); more discussion on Adam Levine and his scandalous DMs (13:22); the wrap up of the Royal Family and aftermath of Queen Elizabeth II’s death (20:40); Brittany Snow’s husband on ‘Selling the OC' (29:03); George Clooney and Julia Roberts’s upcoming movie ‘Ticket to Paradise’ (34:25); and more. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

'The Kardashians' Season 2 premiere revealed more of the drama going on behind the scenes between Kourtney, Tristan, and their second child (1:00). Adam Levine is being accused of cheating on his wife Behati Prinsloo by several different women (17:27). This week's Cringe Mode is the new Netflix teen comedy 'Do Revenge' (29:27). And why did Jodie Comer delete most of the photos of Sandra Oh from her Instagram (57:56)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Amelia Wedemeyer is joined by Maitland Ward of ‘Boy Meets World’ fame to discuss her new book, ‘Rated X: How Porn Liberated Me from Hollywood.’ They discuss her career, her memoir, the challenges and stigmas against the adult film industry and more. Host: Amelia Wedemeyer Guest: Maitland Ward Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins wrap up their discussion of Queen Elizabeth II’s funeral ceremonies and the drama around PDA and a five-mile-long line to view the casket (0:35). Then they move on to Blake Lively’s baby bump pictures (21:05) and some juicy tidbits about Leonardo DiCaprio and Adam Levine (26:45). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jade Whaley Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kourtney Kardashian’s New York Fashion Week event with the fast fashion retailer Boohoo started an hour late and the power went out during the show (1:00). Trisha Paytas is naming her baby Malibu Barbie (9:50). This week’s Cringe Mode is the ‘Gossip Girl’ pilot (24:18). And what old makeup trend would you like to bring back (50:37)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, Amelia Wedemeyer is joined by ‘Who? Weekly’ cohost Bobby Finger. Bobby dishes about his new book, ‘The Old Place,’ before the two draft their potential 'View' cohosts and break down the significance of the controversial talk show. Host: Amelia Wedemeyer Guest: Bobby Finger Producer: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins talk about some of Queen Elizabeth II's funeral ceremonies and the drama around Harry and Meghan being present (1:00), the continued drama with the 'Don't Worry Darling' press tour (13:29), and some of the juicy tidbits revealed in Rolling Stone founder Jann Wenner's memoir (25:59). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet and Amanda react to the news of Queen Elizabeth II’s death and discuss the complicated nature of her role in history (3:08). Later, they break down what is next for the royal family and Prince Charles’s reputation (22:12). Finally, they talk about the press coverage surrounding the news (26:07). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lea Michele made her debut as Fanny Brice in ‘Funny Girl’ and got multiple standing ovations (1:00). Camila Morrone was spotted hanging out with Hailey Bieber and Kendall Jenner following her split from Leonardo DiCaprio (8:12). There’s even more updates to the ‘Don’t Worry Darling’ drama (17:16), and are we doing “skin cycling” now (44:49)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan look back on Kanye West’s assertion during an NBC telethon in the wake of Hurricane Katrina that President George W. Bush doesn’t care about Black people. Van shares his experience of being in Louisiana at the time and what Kanye’s music and words meant to the people there. Plus, they discuss how Kanye’s public perception has changed throughout his career. Hosts: Wosny Lambre and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jam Session returns with Juliet and Amanda discussing the ‘Don’t Worry Darling’ premiere in Venice and the alleged spitting incident (1:24). Then, they continue by catching up on all the news they didn’t get a chance to chat about (27:45), including the Bennifer wedding, 'Architectural Digest' highlights, Wagatha Christie, Rihanna, and much more. Then, they conclude by listing their favorite books of the summer (69:25). Hosts: Juliet Litman and Amanda Dobbins Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman is joined by Matt Belloni, founder of Puck News and host of The Ringer’s Hollywood happenings podcast ‘The Town,’ to discuss the drama swirling around the press tour of ‘Don’t Worry Darling.’ They get into the conflict between Olivia Wilde and Shia LaBeouf over how and why he left the production, reports that Florence Pugh was unhappy with the relationship between Wilde and costar Harry Styles, and, of course, the romance between Wilde and Styles. Host: Juliet Litman Guest: Matt Belloni Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summer is nearly over, meaning it's time to hand out some summer awards. Categories include favorite celebrity news item of the summer (1:00), best celebrity summer vacations (20:25), who was best and worst dressed (25:09), and the summer 2022 MVP (42:40). Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Zack Peter and Wosny Lambre join forces to discuss the cultural significance of the MTV Video Music Awards, which occur every August. Together, they examine the shocking fashion choices to come out of the awards show, as well as the most pivotal (and controversial) moments from past performances. Hosts: Zack Peter and Wosny Lambre Producers: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sylvester Stallone and his wife of 25 years may or may not be divorcing because of his dog (1:00). Aubrey O'Day doesn't care that you know she's photoshopping her Instagram pictures (20:33). This week's Cringe Mode is the very bad Netflix movie 'Purple Hearts' (28:33). And is Tom Brady going to be on 'The Masked Singer' (52:49)? Hosts: Liz Kelly, Kate Halliwell, and Amelia Wedemeyer Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices