Revenue Builders

Everyone has their own definition of success. But for MongoDB’s Chief Revenue Officer Cedric Pech, the journey towards achieving it, the self-improvements you make, and the lessons learned along the way may prove to be more important than the destination itself. In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, our hosts John McMahon and John Kaplan talk to Cedric about his career, and his thoughts on leadership, purpose, and success. Additional Resources:Connect with Cedric Pech on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cedricpech/HIGHLIGHTSFrom VP to CRO: Challenges faced and lessons learnedWhy having a purpose is crucial for teams It can't be just about the paycheck Patriots vs. Mercenaries Success is a marathon, not a sprintSlow Success vs. Fast Success How skiing influenced Cedric's career It's about the journey, not the destinationDetails are where the consequences lieLeaders have to take care of themselves tooGUEST BIOCedric Pech is the current Chief Revenue Officer for MondoDB. He joined MongoDB to lead Europe, Middle East and Africa (EMEA) sales in July 2017, and since that time has rapidly increased the size of the team, expanded into new markets, implemented a new process that has measurably increased sales productivity and has driven exceptional growth.With more than 20 years of sales leadership experience, Cedric has a track record of building high-performance sales organizations that deliver strong and consistent results. Prior to MongoDB, he led worldwide sales at Fuze, an enterprise global cloud communications and collaboration software platform. He has also held senior sales leadership roles for four different software companies, including three publicly traded companies: BladeLogic, BMC, and BazaarVoice.QUOTESCedric on finding your purpose: "I think it starts from you. There's a moment where you wake up in the morning and it's so hard that you ask yourself, why am I doing what I'm doing? And the moment you stop asking that, then you start to dig into yourself and do some introspection to come up with answers."John McMahon on retaining employees: "When people understand the why, they can handle the how."Cedric's advice for sellers: "Be patient and work on your craft. Don't cut corners and don't go after the next promotion or after short-term money but really work on your foundations. This is a marathon."Why Cedric says you shouldn't rush success: "Slow success builds character and fast success builds ego."Cedric on which things cannot be sacrificed for the sake of 'winning': "We are going to win, but not at any cost. And the line that we are going to draw is the line where people get hurt in their families, their health or their personal balance."Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

The Chief Financial Officer is a critical, but often misunderstood role in growing companies. In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John MacMahon talk shop with four-time CFO Jim Kelliher about the intricacies of the CFO role. With vast experience under his belt, Jim talks about specific strategies that companies can use to scale effectively, and how CFOs can best guide their companies towards financial soundness. Additional Resources:Connect with Jim Kelliher on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-kelliher-8a3100/Donate to the Irish American Partnership | https://www.irishap.org/Drive Consistency in Your Sales Planning Process: https://forc.mx/3PuYNOaA CFO Perspective on Healthy Revenue Growth: https://forc.mx/3yIMhE6HIGHLIGHTSWhat keeps CFOs up at night?Things to prepare before pitching to a CFOWhat is a frugal spend culture?All markets eventually bounce backWhat does a financially-sound company look like?Financial forecasting is a critical skill in businessCost-justification needs to come from an internal championQUOTESJim: "Our job is to control the business. We have to make sure we're not doing silly things with our cash, we're not doing things that don't make sense longer term. But our objective is really to grow the business." Jim: "When I say frugal, it's usually around an investment you're making in the company or in the infrastructure, or in a person that you expect to be paid back and have thought through. That's what I mean by frugal. Do it in the right way." Jim: "Let's do it a bit at a time, so that if it doesn't work, you haven't made a big bet and you can kind of pull your foot off. If it doesn't work, you understand why it doesn't work and maybe you can self-correct in the middle of that process. That's what I mean by experimenting." Jim: "It will probably be volatile for a period of time. But longer term, good companies get the bulk of markets, good companies are successful, good companies are bought. So create a good company, create a good culture, create a scalable model, and you'll be just fine." Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to John Mosley, Jr., Head Men's Basketball Coach at East Los Angeles College. Mosley and the story of their Huskies basketball program are covered in the popular Netflix series Last Chance U: Basketball. Mosley shares his strategies for leading even the most difficult teams successfully, focusing on relationship building and leading by example. He concludes that if you can make a sincere impact on one person’s life and career, the chain reaction benefits many others.Additional Resources:Connect with John Mosley, Jr. on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-mosley-jr-b5269239/Donate to the ELAC Men’s Basketball Program | https://org.eteamsponsor.com/ETS/supportUs/411913647?fund_participant_id=411913648For larger donations that require tax deductions:Donate to the ELAC Student-Athlete Fund | https://elacfoundation.com/elac-student-athletes-fund/Specify "Men's Basketball" in the comments.The foundation is a 501C3Federal Tax ID# 33-0034221Coach Your Managers To Learn From Wins and Losses: https://forc.mx/3NKvQNf5 Leadership Tactics That Get Results: https://forc.mx/3P3PCEAHIGHLIGHTSBehind the scenes of Netflix’s 'Last Chance University' Why great leaders are great coaches Ditch the playbook and meet your team where they areSpeech is silver, silence is goldenTo lead people is to carry their burden for them Rules without relationship equals rebellionQUOTESKaplan: "We believe great leaders are great coaches, and they have the ability to meet kids wherever they're at and understand their story." Mosley: "In leadership, you direct behavior. In order to direct behavior in leadership, I think you have to have that personal relationship. And when you go down and you have those personal relationships and you live out, I think it's important to live out the burdens with these young men. That's what I'm called to do." Mosley: "Whenever I see a young man or anybody who didn't want to listen to me, even little kids. It works on little babies. You think of a five-year old and you say, hey, sit down and do this. It won't sit down. You take a five-year-old and before you tell him to sit down, you say, hey, you like this color? What's your favorite color? What do you like to eat? And then you tell the five-year-old, hey, have a seat here. Guess what, they're gonna go sit down." Kaplan: "Do not confuse the coach's kindness with weakness."Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by Alan Chhabra, Executive Vice President of WW Partners at MongoDB. Alan talks about starting the partner program at MongoDB and how he overcame some of the role’s biggest challenges.Alan shares what he’s learned about establishing great partnerships, managing connections, and growing relationships with partners to maximize efficiency and long-term results. He also talks about his experience managing the complexities of client relationships, especially when it comes to competition.Additional Resources:Connect with Alan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanchhabra/Visit MongoDB's website: https://www.mongodb.com/Donate to The Home for Little Wanderers: https://www.thehome.org/Support Vision-Aid: https://visionaid.org/More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSIncrease Revenue by Improving the Manager/Seller Relationship | https://forc.mx/3bt8jTlDrive Revenue Growth Through Indirect Sales Channels | https://forc.mx/3nsioThHIGHLIGHTSHow to manage the diversity of partnershipsGaining traction early with a partnerThe challenges of managing channel conflictThe characteristics of the right people for a channelEstablishing trust for enablement informationAlan's advice on things you can get from a partner communityQUOTESAlan: "When you put that together, then you get a handful of partners that you double down. I'm not one for where you just have hundreds of partners that you focus on. You really should get the ones that fit into all those buckets, and then you go deep."Alan: "It does start on the street. If local sales leadership from both companies are not tight at the hip, global partnerships do not work. They may help with some marketing awareness, they may get people excited on LinkedIn, but if there's no real tight-at-the-hip at the geos, it doesn't work.Alan: "The reason for that mistrust is usually because of misalignment on what's in it for them and what's in it for us. For example, if all that partner's job is to ambulance chase your deals in the field and steal points, the last thing you're going to do is share information with them."Alan: "The customers' buying motion has changed. In the last five to seven years, customers now buy upfront infrastructure and commitments with the cloud provider."Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to mental performance coach Greg Poss. Greg, who played professional Hockey and later on went to make a name for himself as coach, talks about tapping into your higher brain in a consistent manner to achieve success. Greg describes a state of higher energy, where you are able to shut down your fear centers in favor of higher brain functions. He also talks about valuing the process as the most important reward, which is also the key to sustainable happiness and success and fulfillment.Additional Resources:Buy Fearless: The Winner's Mind | https://starkemind.com/page-1Visit Greg’s website: https://www.starkemind.com/Check out Greg’s LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-poss-a0a8a72b/More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSUsing MEDDICC to Drive Revenue Predictability | https://forc.mx/3mZ5r3i How To Enable Your Sales Team To Execute At The Buyer Level | https://forc.mx/3QGXq0D HIGHLIGHTSGreg's Hockey playing and coaching career How to go from low energy to a high energy stateThe lower brain vs the higher brainThe edge of our comfort zone is where life beginsThe most important reward is the process Analyze, Iterate, Move ForwardNobody cares, play better QUOTESGreg: "When we get into the right state of mind, everything is gonna flow around us the way it should and it's gonna optimize our performance." Greg: "We want to impress other people, or we do it for external pleasure: to make money, to win a trophy, to get a promotion, whatever the case might be. I'm not saying that going after those things is bad. We should go after those things. But our major motivation has got to be the moment to moment gamification and joy of the journey." Greg: "When we can intentionally control our thoughts and rewire our brains to be higher brain dominant, we're automatically turning off our lower brain, or the fear centers of our brain. And there's a big difference between being fearless and reckless." Greg: "The only way to have sustainable happiness and success and fulfillment is through internal gratification, which we get in the creative fearlessness of our process or journey."Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to Anne Gary, Director at Force Management. With several sales management roles under her belt, Anne knows a thing or two about building and operating large complex sales organizations from scratch, resulting in closing multi-million dollar sales. Anne talks about her journey from engineer to sales leader, the value of understanding a company’s political landscape, and how to identify and cultivate potential in people. Additional Resources:Connect With Anne Gary on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-gary-a054aa96/Donate to The Boys & Girls Clubs of America | https://www.bgca.org/More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSUsing MEDDICC to Drive Revenue Predictability | https://forc.mx/3mZ5r3i How To Enable Your Sales Team To Execute At The Buyer Level | https://forc.mx/3QGXq0D HIGHLIGHTSFrom engineering to sales Always look for a problem to solve How to separate the great salespeople from the good onesHiring for startups, then and nowGo wide and deep on the buying organization's political landscape Look out for an organization's championsIf you're not constantly training, you're stagnatingHow to spot a great leaderQUOTESAnne: "So many people, they keep trying to change things up all the time instead of just staying the course for a while. Pick something that you know needs to be done, implement it, stay the course and see what happens. Because we know from engineering, you don't change 10 or 12 variables and try to figure out what's working because you won't know." Anne: "Probably the biggest thing for me when I was interviewing was to ask a salesperson about a sale that they had been through recently, and I wanted to know about the political landscape. I would ask them to go up the board, draw the organization chart, and tell me who are the people that are the influencers in the situation and have them walk me through that." Anne: "I find that the best champions are the ones that are not just about themselves and a personal win for themselves but also about the organization win as well." McMahon: "I always say that you know you have a champion when the sales process has moved from unpredictable to predictable." Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to Sahir Azam, Chief Product Officer of MongoDB. Sahir shares his insight gained working in the intersection of product and go-to-market teams. Sahir also touches on creating synergy between pre-sales and sales teams, and the need to balance innovation and solving actual customer problems. Additional Resources:Connect With Sahir Azam on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/sahirazamDonate to The Jed Foundation | https://jedfoundation.org/Quoted in this episode | https://neilpatel.com/blog/how-saas-marketing-is-different/ More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSAligning Your Sales Engine With Product Development | https://forc.mx/3Hd1QYvProduct-Led Growth: Driving Cross-Functional Support to Evolve Your Go-to-Market Strategy | https://forc.mx/3mE2iW8HIGHLIGHTSThe focus of a Chief Product OfficerAligning with your customer's buying behaviorEncourage synergy between sales and pre-sales teamsSitting in the seat in the moment of the customer's painHow to balance innovation with solving a needTake the time to do a proper discovery callSelling internally can be harder than selling externallyQUOTESSahir: "Product marketing and product management, there's sort of a Venn diagram of overlap of skillset there and different organizations align slightly different on how those things are defined. But we think it's really important, regardless of how they report organizationally, but for those two functions to be paired up really closely to have a successful outcome." Sahir: "If you don't have a very seamless way for your end-customers to try and use a product, you're many times never gonna get in the door." Sahir: "Great product people can really articulate and translate that pain from the way that it's articulated by the customer, which isn't always like, here's my pain point, here's the business value but extracting that, qualifying that, documenting that in a way that's crisp and concise." Sahir: "The most cohesive team is where everyone knows the role, but there's a natural overlap of trust built here and everyone knows what you're solving for." Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to Hollie Castro. The Chief Human Resources Officer & SVP, ESG for Yeti, talks about how the company overcame the incredible challenges that they faced during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.Hollie shares her perspective on how workforce needs have changed post-COVID, as well as how the increasing need to attract Millennial and Gen Z hires calls for a new approach to culture and expectations. She offers her winning tips for how hiring managers can rise to the challenge in order to hire and retain great talent from Millennial, Gen Z, and diverse groups.Additional Resources:Connect With Hollie Castro on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollie-castro-mba-nacd-dc-6526452/Help displaced minorities achieve self-sufficiency | https://www.casamarianella.org/More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSWeather Recruitment Challenges: Make Your Talent an Advantage | https://forc.mx/3zaLLAz3 Tactics to Help Managers Retain Top Talent During the Great Resignation | https://forc.mx/3MkbeL6HIGHLIGHTSHow Yeti fared during the height of the COVID-19 pandemicThe truth about having Gen Z and Millennials in the workforceHow companies can improve their hiring process A diverse workplace requires intentional hiring effortCareer paths aren't always linearBe mindful of your ambition vs your constitutionQUOTESHollie: "What we're learning is people want the flexibility but they also like to come back together from time to time to connect and be social. It's a very social culture."Hollie: "How you leave is more important than actually everything you did. Because it's the only thing people will remember about you. So are you honest and transparent? Are you having authentic conversations, are you putting a good plan in place that leaves your team and the organization in the best possible state?" Hollie: "The more clear you are about the thing you're going toward, the better probability you'll have of landing that. In my experience, careers aren't linear. Sometimes things show up and you're like, oh I don't know, this is kinda risky. Do the assessment of your calculated risk but sometimes the most unorthodox thing that shows up will be the thing that is the best growth for you."Hollie: "What happens with people that are really good is an organization will tend to want to give them more, whether it's in their job description or not. If that's not happening for you and you want that, make it known. I always say, nobody cares about your career as much as you do." Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to John Hanlon, an experienced sales leader on all things leadership, from being coachable, to taking on a new VP of sales role. Hanlon talks about key learnings you can gain from past failures and the top traits that all good leaders possess. Digging deeper, Hanlon shares one key thing that good leaders can’t have, if they want to do their job effectively. Additional Resources:Connect With John Hanlon on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-hanlon80/More about Presidio | https://www.presidio.com/More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSDon’t Let Your Sales Initiative Fail: Lead from the Front | https://forc.mx/3GupnE8Taking on a New VP of Sales Role? Key Resources to Help You Get Started | https://forc.mx/39XgJloLearn more about CASA (Court Appointed Service Advocate) | https://childadv.net/casaHIGHLIGHTSYou learn more from your mistakes than successesListening in leadershipBe both coachable and adaptableThe person with no ego winsGUEST BIO John Hanlon has more than 25 years of industry and international experience in information management software, hardware and service. Since joining EMC in August 2000, he has held leadership roles including Vice President, Network Attached Storage Unit; Senior Vice President, Mid-Market Sales; and President, EMC Americas Sales and Customer Operations. Prior to Dell/EMC, John Hanlon was VP of Sales (Americas) for Parametric Technology Corporation. He also served for 7 years as an Officer in the United States Navy.QUOTESHanlon: "It's our job to add value, break down barriers, make people more successful, get them promoted, watch them develop and grow. But if people aren't comfortable coming to you to talk about their problems or their situation, you're flawed as a leader. You're done." Hanlon: "People want to work for people that are real. No phony baloney. Don't try to kid me. Be transparent. Be honest. Because we've all worked for people who tend to tell you what you want to hear or are a little bit full of themselves."Hanlon: "This is what a leader is all about. It's about being accountable, about being self-aware, and recognizing when you're wrong. Because if you don't know that you're wrong, you can't alter your course." Hanlon: "Sometimes you lose to win, sometimes you take a step back to go five steps forward. But if you can keep that ego in check, you can go a lot farther as a leader." Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to Jeremy Duggan, a veteran sales leader who helped build AppDynamics into a juggernaut before it was acquired by Cisco for $3.7 billion. From recruitment and retention all the way to creating revenue, Jeremy knows how to lead and provides a proven formula for success that includes caring about your people and using data effectively. Additional Resources:Donate to Save the Children | https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSHow to Hire the Right Sales Talent for Growth | https://forc.mx/3MLtiOU3 Tactics to Help Managers Retain Top Talent | https://forc.mx/3lrj0aPHIGHLIGHTSRecruitment, Retention, and RevenueA Players: How to hire and keep themYou need to inspire and inspect your people all the time Actionable tips to improve your leadership skills Always be thinking of what you can do betterKnow how to use data effectivelyQUOTESJeremy: "If you can recruit people, and then you can retain and inspire those great people, and then you have a fact-based methodology around to drive results, if you take care of those three things, then you've got a fantastic job of building a really incredible company."Jeremy: "Look, when I talk to you about leadership and the three Rs, or the leading indicators in sales, what I'm actually doing is I'm handing you the winning lottery numbers. All you gotta do is go down to the shop and buy a ticket." Jeremy: "I can't really remember big mistakes even though I've made loads of little ones. Because for me the whole point of making a mistake is that it makes you recognize it and then you figure out why you did it, so you don't do it again. So then you don't kind of remember it, because you've fixed it." Jeremy: "If you care about people, it overcomes a lot of things that you might do wrong. You might have a bad day, you might lose your temper with something, you might get something wrong. But if people know you fundamentally care about them, then they'll change it."Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to the Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer at UPS, Kevin Warren. Kevin takes us through his journey in business, starting from his time as a salesperson in Xerox to where he is now at UPS. Kevin talks about constant improvement and ensuring that you are learning new things to keep up with dynamic markets. He applies this mantra even at UPS, where he took on the enormous challenge of elevating the established company marketing and brand strategy to adjust for modern times and new markets. Additional Resources:UPS Blue Horizons Minority Incentive Program | https://bit.ly/3PhYnvEGeorgetown Scholarship | give.georgetown.edu/LucyWarrenScholarshipMaking the Most of Every Lead: Key Questions to Help Sales and Marketing Alignment | https://forc.mx/3uPZSHFMore about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSHIGHLIGHTSHow a sales job led to an Executive VP and CMO positionConstantly assess and update your personal skill set The importance of a mentor-mentee relationship The journey from Xerox to UPSShifting industries, learning the language and gaining credibility Partnerships and relations are everythingProtecting a well-established brand in a dynamic industryGUEST BIOKevin Warren is the Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer at UPS. In this role he’s responsible for U.S. and International Marketing, The UPS Store, Digital Channels, Revenue Enablement, Business Planning, Forecasting & Pricing, Digital Marketing, Customer Experience, Brand Relevancy, and the company’s Ware2Go subsidiary. His highly developed perspective on data-centric business and non-traditional engagement channels is driving change at UPS and setting new standards in digitally enabled customer experience. As the e-commerce business era takes shape, Kevin is shaping those critical aspects of UPS strategy that will deliver the business of the future.Most recently, Kevin served as Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer for Xerox Corporation, where he was responsible for marketing, worldwide channel strategy, salesforce effectiveness, and global client engagement for the company’s diverse portfolio of hardware, software, and services.Previously, Kevin served as president of Global Growth Opportunities, responsible for accelerating revenue growth outside the United States. In addition, he had strategic oversight for two Xerox operating units, Global Imaging Systems and Xerox Canada, as well as leading the company’s 3-D printing strategy.He also led the integration activity surrounding Xerox’s $1.5 billion purchase of Global Imaging Systems. In 2007, he was named chairman, president and chief executive officer of Xerox Canada and in 2010, was named president of U.S. Client Operations. Kevin joined Xerox in 1984 as a sales trainee in Washington, D.C.Kevin is a board member for Fiserv, Georgetown University, and the UPS Foundation. He is also a current member of the Executive Leadership Council and a founding member of the Black Executive CMO Alliance (BECA). Previously, Kevin served on the board of Illinois Tool Works and the national board of Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.A native of Washington, D.C., Kevin received his Bachelor of Science in finance from Georgetown University and is an alumnus of the Harvard Business School, having completed the Advanced Management Program.QUOTESKevin: "Because the industry is changing, that means your skillset's got to be changing, you've got to be changing faster. So the 2022 version of Kevin has got to be better than the 2021. It's the same sort of thing as far as looking at your skills and competencies and what you're bringing to the table." Kevin: "It was almost really a race of me gaining internal credibility and learning the industry in the company at a depth level deep enough so then I can leverage my commercial knowledge and see things from fresh eyes to get the benefit of that different experience." Kevin: "The marketing function led-effort worked well with our communications function to come up with our purpose statement, which is 'Moving our world forward by delivering what matters.'"Kevin: "If you're in an industry that's dynamic, that's moving more to digital and you've got new players and wannabe disruptors, it's good; you gotta have that trust. But you also have to, an exam question on momentum is 'Is this a company that's on its way up, or are its best days behind it? Is this a company that's agile and innovative? Cool, digital? Is this a company that embraces diversity, equity, and inclusion and thinks the environment is important?"Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to author, entrepreneur, public speaker, and sales leader Maury Rogow. Maury talks about using powerful storytelling techniques in the context of sales, and how marketing and sales teams should be working together seamlessly to attract and convert customers. Maury also takes us into the story of how he got into Hollywood and how he transformed himself from the kid who couldn’t raise his hands in school to a capable public speaker, and that one time he opened for comedian Joe Rogan. Additional Resources:Key Characteristics for CROs to Hone in Each Stage of Growth | https://forc.mx/3uUCM3ZTaking on a New VP of Sales Role? Key Resources: | https://forc.mx/3KTEismDonate to breast cancer research: https://drsusanloveresearch.org/Check out Maury's book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TB1FKLX/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0Connect with Maury on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mauryrogow/More about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSHIGHLIGHTSMany salespeople fail because they lack this basic skillYour customer is the hero of the story Always know where you are in the buyer's journeyGet the S-T-U-F-F in your stories to make them effective Know your customer's learning styleThe messaging must be seamless from marketing to salesThe shy kid who couldn't raise his hand in schoolIntroducing the E-P-I-C story structureHow Maury got into Hollywood and the lessons learned Advice for connecting to people remotelyQUOTESMaury: "Your brand will thrive or die based on the story you tell. That's for the sales people and it's for executives too. The reason I say that is it's all based on fact but I got to get it across fast. Salespeople are failing out there because they don't have the basic skills to grab attention and then be memorable." Maury: "Sure, you get plenty of sales without your story in there. They're probably low value, they're probably the cheap shots, you're probably making quota or getting to your quota. But the folks that are really good at this, the folks that really can tell a great story, can get somebody else to share, they're the ones bringing in the six, the seven, even eight-figure deals because they're building a relationship." Maury: "The hero of the story is them. You're not the hero. Don't tell me you're here to make a bunch of money. Don't tell me your IPO is gonna put 10 million in your pot. Nobody wants to hear that. They want to hear how it helps them. And if you get served because of it, fantastic. But they're the hero of the story." Maury: "If you confuse, you will lose. Gotta keep it simple." Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk through their experiences with recruiting talent, and why many companies often stumble in this fundamental step. Your employees are the lifeblood of your business, and to be successful, you need to hire the right people. In this era of mass resignations and global hiring, business leaders and interviewers need to hone in on the characteristics, skill sets and knowledge of what will make sales talent successful in your company.Additional Resources:Hiring Great Sales Talent: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/revenue-builders/id1610203369HIGHLIGHTSStop relying solely on the resume or LinkedIn profiles Sales people are not created equal Interviewers need to both qualify the candidate and sell the opportunityLook for qualified candidates, not friendsCompanies should equip their employees with skills and knowledgeDon't sleep on the references How candidates can prepare for the interview QUOTESJohn MacMahon: "If I'm gonna be in a fast growing company, two of the most essential characteristics I have to have in a person is intelligence and drive. Because skills take a lot of time to develop. If somebody's really smart in a classroom, I can teach them stuff. On the job, I can teach them stuff pretty quickly. But it's the skillset that takes a really long time to develop." John Kaplan: "I found that some of the best interviewers have emotionally connected to what they do matters and why it matters and therefore, it comes across the interview process. I find people woefully prepared to really talk about why what they do matters." John MacMahon: "The mistake that a lot of first time leaders make is they are almost looking more for a friend than they are for a candidate that can really be successful int he role. Because of that they do some people a disservice because they truly don't have the knowledge or the skillset to be successful. But they like the person."John Kaplan: "The knowledge and skills are the responsibility of the company to bring them the knowledge that they're going to need and to give them the opportunity to enhance their skills, to develop the skills, to position that knowledge effectively. The responsibility of the individual is to bring their character to that equation." Learn More about Force Management here: www.forcemanagement.comCheck out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to veteran recruiter, Chad Peets. As a Managing Director of Sutter Hill Ventures, Chad is responsible for building the go-to-market teams globally for their portfolio companies. Chad talks about his process for recruiting, particularly for the CEO and CRO roles. Having been in the recruitment industry for more than two decades, Chad shares his expertise on which qualities to look out for in candidates in order to ensure success for your organization. HIGHLIGHTSBuilding a world-class sales organization goes beyond recruitment Managing expectations is a balancing actExperience will bring you successQuestions that CRO candidates should ask when looking for new opportunitiesThe War on Talent and The Great ResignationWhy CROs have the hardest job in software sales Traits of a candidate that's going to be hired QUOTESChad: "You bring the fundamentals of the playbook. But every time you go into a situation, it's a unique situation so you're gonna have to tweak and make changes to that playbook to adjust, if you will, for the company that you're in, the market that you're in, the product that you're selling, etc.”Chad: "You have to be focused on the long-term and building out world class sales organizations. This recruiter has to be focused on exactly that. If they're focused on transactions, if they're focused on fees and you and you can figure this out really quickly, what their objectives are, their objective has to be your objective."Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064Additional Resources:Key Characteristics for CROs to Hone in Each Stage of Growth | https://forc.mx/3uUCM3ZTaking on a New VP of Sales Role? Key Resources: | https://forc.mx/3KTEismMore about Force Management | https://forc.mx/3waMDDSConnect with Chad on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chadpeets/ Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

On this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan talk to veteran football coach JD Brookhart. JD has led an interesting life, working as a coach for the Denver Broncos and several college football teams. He coached the Akron Zips to their first MAC Championship Title in 2005 and brought the team to their first collegiate bowl as a Division One program. Beyond his life in football, JD also earned accolades as a salesperson during his time with Xerox and is now a managing partner at CJ&M Holdings. JD talks about the parallels between coaching football and managing sales teams, particularly in building a team, motivating them, and knowing how to lead them to success. HIGHLIGHTSParallels between sports coaching and sales work You need to know what motivates you and what motivates your teamNobody cares about what you know until they know you care Team chemistry can be just as important as individual talentAlways work just a little bit harder to find success Leverage your network and believe in the power of who Accountability, Productivity, and Persistence QUOTESJD: "You got to have three rules to hiring. Number one, you got to know how to hire, two, you got to know how to fire, and number three, you got to do number one so you don't have to do number two." JD: "The guys that I've seen that are really good coaches, many times have been walk-arounds trying to prove themselves. Guys that worked up the ranks, that came from smaller schools. Sometimes those guys that have been there, they understand what it takes to be good and the time that we have to put in to be great." JD: "It’s always great to be on a winning team, but we’ve all been in a situation when things aren’t going so well. Whether it be the revenue numbers or the Games in the win column – that’s when real leaders differentiate themselves."JD: "I look back on it, and I don't know of a job that I got by myself. I had somebody helping me or somebody I met along the way, which just changed the course of my life. I've just been fortunate to be around the people I've met through the course of my career." Connect with JD via LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jd-brookhart-ba647977/ Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Few can understand what happens in a war unless you’ve been in the middle of one. Often the lessons that come after the homecoming are some of the toughest to learn. The moral injuries that our veterans face often go unnoticed and untreated. That’s what sparked Sgt. Anthony Anderson’s walk from Wisconsin to California featured in the Almost Sunrise Documentary. In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, Anthony talks about his own lessons learned and how those leading companies can support veterans re-entering civilian life. Anthony’s experience is also a great testament to what it takes to be a great leader. HIGHLIGHTSWhy Anthony joined the militaryLessons learned while volunteering to serve in Iraq twiceWar has no peerCombat and survival instincts change youReintegration after service comes with its own issuesPost-Traumatic Stress Disorder vs Moral InjuryWalking from Milwaukee to California to raise awarenessThe families of veterans need help tooDonate your time, not just your moneyQUOTESAnthony: "Some of the things that I took away, certainly in the first time, much earlier in the war with different kind of mission, how much chaos is surrounding you and how little control you have over these things, but how ultimately you have to make decision."Anthony: "I learned very early that people want to be understood in one way and seen in one light, but they also don't want to let on what actually allows people to get to know them." Anthony: "Some of the chaos in war is not just what's happening outside, it's what's happening in your heart and in your mind." Anthony: "Wars may end when peace treaties are signed. But wars don't end in you." Anthony: "When the drumbeat for war is beating louder, and everybody starts to put into to context the need to go to war, and how much it's gonna cost, and how quickly we'll do it, etc…. We need to put decision makers accountable for things like, how many doctors, how many nurses, how many psychiatrists psychologists, peer mentors etcetera do we need to have in place, and will they be in place before the first shot is fired, and if not, when will they be there." Additional Resources:Almost Sunrise: http://sunrisedocumentary.com/LiT Beard CO: https://litbeardco.com/Project Welcome Home Troops: https://projectwelcomehometroops.org/American Corporate Partners: https://www.acp-usa.org/OJAI Earth Yoga: https://www.ojai.earth/missionMore About the Episode: https://forc.mx/3Ks0vOjConnect with Anthony via LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-anderson-441177129/ Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

HIGHLIGHTSHow a business travel company survived COVID-19 lockdowns Achieving growth and pivoting in a time of crisis Using content to drive brand recognition and revenue on a budgetDiscussions about Product-Led GrowthAlways try to find out how and why your customers are buyingBiggest challenges over the last two years for a CMOWe need to create second-line leaders Look for problem solvers, not victimsDonate to UkraineQUOTESKaplan: "Everybody's boat went down at the same time. Around the world, it's one of those rare times where everybody's boat in the harbor goes down, but not everybody's boat rose at the same time. And I was just really really impressed that the way your answer was, it's now time to get close to our customers." Meagen: "When there's no wind, you row." Meagen: "Back then, we were focused. We knew what we had to do. We had to create a sense of urgency. As I said, inbound dried up. Nobody was looking for travel solutions. In fact, the first thing was, are you kidding me we're in a pandemic why are you trying to sell this?" Meagen: "Originally we were targeting the travel manager, but they all got furloughed. So now we need to switch and which was the smarter thing to do, is target the CFO who manages travel under procurement typically, and finance and accounting." Meagen: "We need to switch, we need to redefine our ICP, the right customer profile to go after, and I needed product marketers. And I just thought I'm gonna go heavy on product marketer's content, we're gonna build academies. So when the travel manager gets their job back, there's gonna be a new world." Meagen: "You want the ability to self-serve and get the low end of the market, but you get big money in the mid-market and upper side of it. So don't leave that on the table. Either develop both, and it's going to be a lot easier to sell if it's an amazing product and has product market fit, and you're not going to get product led growth without product market fit."McMahon: You can't be all things to all people, especially as we talked about how marketing has expanded so much in the last 10 years. You can't be an expert in every different disciplines. You need to hire great leaders underneath you. And that should be a lesson for any leader that's listening on the phone.” Connect with Meagen and her work with the links below: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meageneisenberg/Website: https://tripactions.com/ Additional Resources:Donate to Ukraine: https://tripactions.com/ukraineMaking the Most of Every Lead: Key Questions to Help Sales and Marketing Alignment | https://forc.mx/3uPZSHFWhat CROs prioritize to drive PLG success | https://forc.mx/3K0HqCBConnect with Mike with on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemcsally/Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, Kaplan and McMahon talk to Mike McSally, a recognized and accomplished business leader with deep expertise in aligning people, operations and technology. Mike, who spent more than 30 years with Allegis Group, talks about the current state of recruitment and the situations that are causing the problems hounding the industry. Mike also shares practical tips for job seekers looking to stand out and not get lost in the shuffle of resumes. HIGHLIGHTSStarting out as an accidental recruiterRecruiters are not reading your resumesCultural fit is almost more important than technical skillsToday is the best and worst time to recruitTry to look internally before recruiting outsideHiring managers need to own the whole processThe Rule of 3: Always be recruitingHow to stand out in a bureaucratic worldTips and best practices when using referencesLook for an internal advocateMike's favorite things (If you golf, you’ll like his advice on what to spend money on)QUOTESMike: "I believe that most of what's done in recruitment is broken. It doesn't take the candidate's background and the candidate's skills, goals, and desires and doesn't put that in the forefront. And we do that by relying on some methodologies or processes that have just been around since the beginning of time." Mike: "There's never been a better time to recruit, at least in my 30 years in the US history, at least in the labor market right now. And there's never been a more dangerous time to recruit and the reason that is is we're just seeing unbelievable data that says 8 out of 10 people that are gainfully employed today are willing to entertain a new opportunity."Mike: "If you want to stand out, find somebody from the inside of that organization that knows your skills and past performance and see if they'd be willing to at least talk to people inside the organization that are hiring for that skill set."Mike: "The advice I give to anybody that's looking for a job is, if you're looking for a job posting, it's already too late. They've already got 70 applicants and you're gonna get lost in the shuffle. So use your connections, use LinkedIn to see who you know that now is working at that organization that will be your internal advocate."Mike: "Your resume is not gonna make you stand out. It's doing something uniquely different. And very quickly, LinkedIn is an incredible tool. I can find out who John Kaplan has worked with in a past life. And if I ever work in and around that person, could I have that person call John Kaplan."Connect with Mike McSally on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemcsally/Check out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064Additional Resources:Articles by Mike McSally: https://www.forcemanagement.com/blog/author/mike-mcsallyImproving Sales Productivity: Owning the Talent Process https://forc.mx/37YOAcJMore about Force Management: www.forcemanagement.com Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to established sales leader and current President of Lacework, Andy Byron. Andy gives actionable advice for scaling sales organizations, especially in defining your ideal customer profile. HIGHLIGHTSThe prerequisites of scaling a sales organizationHow to define your ideal customer profileAre geographic territories still relevant?Challenges of the Chief Revenue Officer roleFounding CEOs aren't always the best leadersDon't rely solely on advice from venture capitalistsBe open to evolutionScaling strategies can be repeatableCommon mistakes that companies make when trying to scale upDon't try to change how customers want to buy your productTeam players are essential in scalabilityMaster the playbook and improve itAdvice for new sales leadersYour actions as a leader impact other peopleQUOTESAndy: "When you think about the CRO's role, it's so hard because you're navigating a market of sales teams scaling the company, hitting the number. But then also part of the job a lot of people don't talk about and you both know this really well, is you also have to set expectations and navigate with your constituents in the executive team, the board, the CEO."Andy: "When you have an executive team that's aligned and has patience and frankly has the ability to evolve over time and just kind of say 'alright, what's working and what's not', and it's an open line of communication, and that strategy doesn't change, that's when you see companies that win."Andy: "For the first time leader, it's not about you, and what value are you gonna impart to the team? And the third thing, how are you gonna create a winning culture? Because people are gonna want to come work for you, people are gonna want to generate pipeline. People are gonna want to really inspect the forecast. If you're gonna create a winning culture, they're gonna want to do those things. I think, as a first time leader, any leader, but definitely a first-time leader, how are you gonna inspire people to go in?"Andy: "It takes some really hard times to really reflect back and say 'well, am I really giving everything I can to not just work but to myself and to others that support me?' And when you have those three things really working for you, that brings out the best in you, which by definition brings out the best in everybody else. When one of those is lacking, everybody can see."Connect with Andy with the link below:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andy-byron-417a429/Learn More about Force Management here: www.forcemanagement.comTaking on a New VP of Sales Role? Key Resources: | https://forc.mx/3KTEismMore about Force Management | www.forcemanagement.comCheck out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, John Kaplan and John McMahon talk to Managing Director of Madrona Venture Group Hope Cochran. Hope serves on the board of three public companies, Hasbro, Inc, MongoDB and NewRelic.She is the former CFO of King Digital, the developer behind the phenomenal game Candy Crush. She is also the co-chair of OnBoarding Women, an organization that supports talented accomplished women in their journey to the boardroom. Website: https://onboardingwomen.org/.Hope pulls the curtain back on what drives CFOs and gives sage advice on various areas of business, particularly in raising funds and ensuring that you can achieve healthy growth. However, Hope also advises that people should not be afraid to take risks and be open to learning. If it makes you nervous, she says, you’re in the right place. HIGHLIGHTSThere's more to one's LinkedIn profileAdvice for entrepreneurs looking to raise moneyLessons learned in launching Candy CrushBalancing overachievement and predictabilityAlways aim for healthy growthSolutions vs cost justificationCFOs need to be the ears of the companyWorking with Onboarding WomenQUOTESHope: "I am very mindful of markets and I am very mindful that when a market is open, I'll figure out how to get money. Because when the market turns off and that's when you need money, it's a rough spot." Hope: "I'm always quick to stop talking about how much money are we taking in and what is the plan and what's our frame of mind of what we're doing with it. Meaning, what I want to see is money being applied to areas of growth labors. If we can spend more money and get more users or more adoption of the product, that makes a lot of sense." Hope: "Lately, really what the markets have valued is growth. You have to be mindful about what we're looking at in terms of the markets, as well as the strength of the balance sheet. Assuming that the company has a good cash balance and we're not dealing with debt or areas of losing too much cash, clearly we want to propel growth."Hope: "As a CFO, my most important thing is that my numbers are right. And I can do that by making sure my systems and processes keep up with the size of the organization. So I'm constantly ensuring that my systems are not too far behind my growth trajectory."Hope: "Take a risk. When I think of the big movements in my career, they've been when I've jumped while taking a risk, when I've been nervous. I don't think I've ever taken a job that I felt like I was qualified for. Whenever it pushed me and made me uncomfortable, I knew that was the right job."Learn More about Force Management here: www.forcemanagement.comCheck out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

We kick off the inaugural episode of the Revenue Builders podcast with a short conversation featuring our hosts John McMahon and John Kaplan. Both have been there, done that when it comes to sales leadership. John Kaplan is the President and Managing Partner of Force Management and John McMahon is a five-time CRO and the author of the bestselling book The Qualified Sales Leader. QUOTESJohn MacMahon: "I find that there's no common question, but there's a common thread. And the common thread is that they don't really understand the way things really work around them, whether it's internally or externally. So they've made some assumptions about how those things work and I realize, I don't think they really understand how that works. But they're either frustrated and that's why they're coming to me, or they're really curious and they want answers but they're not really getting those answers to those questions from the people that they work for." John McMahon: "I'd love to get a CFO on, a Client Success VP, a VP of HR, a CEO, a VC, and let's go dig deep into what their concerns are. Let's go talk about how you scale a company. Let's talk about how and why you funded a company. Let's go talk about what a CFO is truly concerned about and we're gonna go to talk to them. I think if we dig into those things with those different types of stakeholders, it'll be a completely different podcast."John Kaplan: "My father used to tell me all the time. When I was younger, he would say, everybody has a story. And I actually realized, I wound up listening to podcasts, and I'm very curious about people's stories. John and I have a lot of relationships with some very very successful people that have built elite organizations, that have funded elite situations, that have gotten great business outcomes. But all of them had stories. They had backgrounds. They had parents, they had hopes and dreams when they were younger and how they realized those later on in life."Learn More about Force Management here: www.forcemanagement.comCheck out John McMahon’s book here: https://www.amazon.com/Qualified-Sales-Leader-Proven-Lessons/dp/0578895064 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management