THE ART OF CLEAR THINKING & DECISION MAKING WITH THE REAL TOP-GUN, ELITE FIGHTER PILOT HASARD LEE
In this conversation, Michael Trainer interviews Hazard Lee, a F-16 and F-35 fighter pilot and master instructor, about the importance of clear thinking in decision making. Hazard shares his background as a fighter pilot and the training process to become an elite pilot. He emphasizes the need for creativity and flexibility in decision making, especially in high-pressure situations. Hazard also discusses the concept of fast forecasting and exponential thinking in decision making, as well as the importance of embracing uncertainty. The conversation highlights the critical role of clear thinking in making effective decisions. The conversation covers topics such as entering the flow state, maintaining technological advantage in an exponential age, the evolution of dogfighting and the F-35, insights on unidentified flying objects (UFOs), and maintaining a prime position in the changing world order. The guest also discusses his book and future projects.
RESONANCE · Hasard Lee, Michael Trainer
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Show Notes
Hasard Lee, master pilot and instructor F-35 and F-16 : https://www.hasardlee.com
Instagram: @hasardlee
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@HasardLee
Please read The Art of Clear Thinking
The conversation highlights the critical role of clear thinking in making effective decisions. The conversation covers topics such as entering the flow state, maintaining technological advantage in an exponential age, the evolution of dogfighting and the F-35, insights on unidentified flying objects (UFOs), and maintaining a prime position in the changing world order. The guest also discusses his book and future projects.
Takeaways
- Clear thinking is crucial in decision making, especially in high-pressure situations.
- Creativity and flexibility are essential for making effective decisions.
- Fast forecasting and exponential thinking can help assess the potential outcomes and risks of a decision.
- Embracing uncertainty is important in decision making, as not all decisions can be made with complete certainty. Putting yourself in circumstances that force you to enter the flow state can open up new possibilities.
- In an exponential age, it is important to maintain technological advantage and make fast decisions.
- The F-35 is a stealth fighter with advanced sensors and flight control systems.
- Unidentified flying objects (UFOs) are often simply unidentified and not necessarily alien spaceships.
- To maintain a prime position in the changing world order, innovation and speed in development are crucial.
Chapters
00:00Introduction and Background
06:03 Hazard's Experience as a Fighter Pilot
13:18 The Importance of Clear Thinking in Decision Making
19:50 The Tension Between Structured Thinking and Creativity
26:31 Entering a State of Calmness for Clear Decision Making
29:55 Fast Forecasting and Exponential Thinking in Decision Making
38:17 Making Big Decisions and Embracing Uncertainty
42:31 Entering the Flow State
45:23 Maintaining Technological Advantage in an Exponential Age
48:08 The Evolution of Dogfighting and the F-35
57:35 Insights on Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)
01:02:51 Maintaining a Prime Position in the Changing World Order
01:04:15Promoting the Book and Future Projects
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Michael Trainer has spent 30 years learning from Nobel laureates, neuroscientists, and wisdom keepers worldwide. He's the author of RESONANCE: The Art and Science of Human Connection (March 31, 2026), co-creator of Global Citizen and the Global Citizen Festival, and host of the RESONANCE podcast.
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