
Reinventing Church
Follow one church's journey as they depart from modern church growth trends and reinvent themselves by equipping everyday Christians to live out their faith in real life.
Derek Sanford
Show overview
Reinventing Church launched in 2024 and has put out 41 episodes in the time since. That works out to roughly 35 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a fortnightly cadence.
Episodes typically run thirty-five to sixty minutes — most land between 49 min and 1h 2m — and the run-time is fairly consistent across the catalogue. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Religion & Spirituality show.
There hasn’t been a new episode in the last ninety days; the most recent episode landed 5 months ago. Published by Derek Sanford.
From the publisher
Follow one church's journey as they depart from modern church growth trends and reinvent themselves by equipping everyday Christians to live out their faith in real life. Find episodes and show notes at www.dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch
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Ep 4140: MIC DROP Moments from Season 3 | Pre-holiday musings | Key Systems for any church | Personal retreat ideas
In Episode 40, Derek and Danielle unpack their top leadership “mic drop” moments of the season and turn them into simple, actionable practices for pastors. They also pull back the curtain on essential systems, a unique cultural moment of spiritual hunger, and a practical tool for planning meaningful half-day personal retreats.

Ep 4039: From EVENTS to ENVIRONMENTS | Christmas Confabulation | Strategically Using Meetings | Auld Lang Syne...15 end of year questions
In this episode, we explore how churches can shift from event-driven ministry to environments where real discipleship happens. Hear from Shane Stacey, Andrew Silbert, and Sarah Burtt as they unpack practical ways to design worship spaces, mid-size trainings, and small groups that actually produce transformation.

Ep 3938: From HERO PASTOR to HEALTHY CHURCH | Testing our Telekinesis | Programming Buildouts at Grace | Staff Values/Performance Matrix
If you’re longing for a healthier way to lead your church, this episode will encourage you. Dave Rhodes calls leaders to become hero-makers, and Pastor Jamaal Williams shows how everyday disciples can own real ministry in their own spaces. It’s practical, honest, and full of next steps you can use this week.

Ep 3837: From SEEKER to SENDER | Pilgrim’s Progress | Exploring Development Roles | The Now to Next prayer tool
What if your church became known less for who it gathers and more for who it sends? This week’s Reinventing Church episode unpacks Dave Rhodes' challenge to move from seeker to sender, rethinking what we celebrate, track, and multiply. Then Derek talks with Chris Bellinger about how churches can train and release everyday missionaries right where they are. Plus, a behind-the-scenes look at Grace’s new development roles and a practical “Now to Next” prayer tool for friendship and discipleship.

Ep 3736: From GROWTH to DEPTH | Lessons from the eurythmics | Mindmapping Job Descriptions | A Team Development Tool.
In this episode, Derek and Danielle, along with Pastor Sarah Burtt and the Clarity House team, tackle the shift from growth to depth. They unpack how to design discipleship environments that form people, not just fill rooms, share a behind-the-scenes look at mind-mapping job descriptions, and introduce four simple practices any leader can use to develop people, not just delegate tasks. Perfect for pastors and church leaders ready to rethink what “success” looks like in their ministry.

Ep 3635: From CUSTOMER SERVICE to COACHING | Two truths and a truth | Brainstorm Buddies | Tool: Turning Complaints into Clarity
In this episode of Reinventing Church, Derek Sanford talks with Stephen Hay about how churches can shift from customer service to coaching, from keeping people happy to helping them grow. Learn how to spot consumer Christianity, create feedback-rich coaching cultures, and lead with courage instead of comfort. Plus, behind-the-scenes updates on Grace’s Awake the Lake vision and a new Tips & Tools on turning complaints into clarity.

Ep 35Ep 34: From ASSIMILATION to ACTIVATION with Scott Michel
Instead of plugging people into roles, call them into purpose.

Ep 3433: From ATTENDANCE to APPRENTICESHIP | This vs That | On-Staff Mentorship | And Taking on the Keyboard Warriors
From Northern Lights and “read-minds-vs-fly” debates to deep reflections on what truly counts in ministry, Derek and Danielle explore how churches can move from attendance to apprenticeship. Dave Rhodes redefines success, and guest Jeremy Adelman shows how an old Minneapolis church found new life by focusing on training disciples who multiply. Perfect for church leaders ready to measure growth by transformation not turnout.

Ep 3332: From TEACHING to TRAINING | Falling into Autumn | This week at Grace | And how to have difficult conversations - yay!
Most churches are great at teaching but weak at training. In Episode 32 of Reinventing Church, Derek and Danielle kick off with fall vibes in Erie, then dive into Dave Rhodes on building training centers. Derek sits down with Pastor Mark Canada of Parkway Bible to talk about shifting from passive content delivery to active, experiential discipleship. Expect practical tools, a fourth grader’s gospel story, and a conflict tip you can use today.

Ep 3231: From STAFF DRIVEN to LEADER MULTIPLYING | Have we gone too far? | Tapping the Untapped | 10 Recruitment Barriers
Is your church’s leadership pipeline multiplying or just maintaining? In this episode of Reinventing Church, Derek and Danielle sit down with Brent Minter, Lead Pastor of Keystone Church, to talk about making the critical shift from staff-driven ministry to leader-multiplying culture.

Ep 3130: From COMPLEXITY to CLARITY | Must see TV| It’s Christmas time in the city | Livin on a prayer
Is your church’s discipleship pathway clear or just crowded? In this episode, Derek and Danielle talk with Phil EuBank of Menlo Church about moving from ministry complexity to clarity. Discover how to simplify your discipleship strategy, build shared rhythms, and guide people with a multiplication map instead of a ministry menu.

Ep 3029:From SUNDAY to EVERYDAY | the most accurate personality test of all, becoming Influencers, and empowering team members with a 1:3:1 Tool
Sunday is important, but it’s not the finish line. In this episode, Derek and Danielle talk with Trey Taylor, Lead Pastor of City Hope Church, about the critical shift churches must make—from Sunday services to everyday discipleship. Trey unpacks how his team is reframing vocation as ministry, equipping everyday missionaries, and training leaders through tools like Dust: A Disciple’s Journey.

Ep 2928: Season 3 Launch! | Cruel Summer | Shifting 11 Gears | Behind the curtain at Grace | Tips and Tools and we tango with The Terminator…but WE’LL be back.
In this kickoff to Season 3, Derek and Danielle set the stage for an exciting new chapter of Reinventing Church. They revisit the five original mind-shifting insights that sparked the whole podcast. They preview this season's theme of 11 pivotal shifts every church must make. This episode also introduces a brand-new Ministry Tools and Tips segment. Derek explores the theological boundaries of AI, offering both cautions and practical guidelines for church leaders
Ep 2827: From Vision to Action: Crafting Our Future
This special audio-only bonus episode of 'Reinventing Church' features Danielle, Derek, and Aaron discussing the critical components of their church's vision frame for the staff and broader community. They delve into the mission, values, strategy, and measures that guide their ministry, all aimed at aligning with their 'Awake the Lake' 10-year vision. The episode outlines the mission of following Jesus and living out God's story every day, the core values that drive their decisions, the four-part strategy for discipleship, and the specific measures used to gauge success. The speakers emphasize the importance of each staff member and churchgoer understanding and embodying these ideas to achieve their vision of mobilizing 30,000 people by 2035 to bring gospel influence into everyday life.00:00 Introduction and Purpose of the Episode00:55 Vision Frame Overview05:05 Mission: What Are We Doing?07:47 Values: Why Are We Doing It This Way?10:57 Strategy: How Are We Doing It?13:19 Measures: When Are We Successful?15:11 Vision Proper: Where Is God Taking Us?16:20 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Ep 2726: Season Finale! What have we learned so far in our transition to a missional model? | Televangelists | Lessons from a 40-Day digital fast | Holy Week Reflections
Derek and Danielle reflect on six lessons they've learned this season as they transition from a church growth model to a missional multiplication model. For full show notes, visit: https://dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch

Ep 2625. A New Approach to Developing People | The Tape Ministry | A simple format for staff trainings | A Unique Approach to Baby Dedications
Beyond hopping people from program to program and calling it discipleship. How can the church actually devleop people into Christilikenss. Join this fascinating conversation with Diane Wright. For full show notes visit: https://dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch

Ep 2524: How to make the shift from church programs to relational discipleship | Christian Woodstock | Defining a Multiplying Church | Considering a hot-off-the-presses Strategic Planning Tool
Dave Rhodes and Shane Stacey from Clarity House talk about how churches can unintentionally lead with programs and how to pivot to a relational disciple-making approach. For full show notes visit: https://dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch

Ep 2423: Helping Churches Transition from Teaching Center to Training Center | 90’s “Contemporary” worship | Our Preaching Calendar Process | Roundtable Training Benefits
Dave Rhodes and Shane Stacey from Clarity House discuss the major shift happening in disciple-making churches to adopt an approach of training over teaching. For full show notes visit: https://dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch

Ep 2322: Reimagining worship gatherings through a missional lens
How should we think about our worship liturgy if we have a room full of missionaries vs. a room full of consumers? A conversation with Andrew Silbert. For full show notes visit: https://dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch

Ep 2221: Unleashing the Church Beyond Sunday
For full show notes visit: https://dereksanford.com/reinventingchurch