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Andrea Cox dropped in from Del Mar California to talk about the raw food diet, cleansing, detoxification, juice fasting, colonics, liver cleanses, herbs and more. She’s the author of Rawlicious Recipes (amazon affiliate link) which teaches people how to make raw, healthy foods.

I apologize for the very beginning of the episode we had some minor technical difficulties (i.e – I forgot to “unmute” Andrea. Turns out that’s not a good idea if you want to interview somebody! Only the first 6 seconds were lost. I apologize.)

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We discuss the following and so much more:

  • Her opinions on liver cleansing
  • The importance of sweating
  • The benefits of rebounding for the lymphatic system
  • Why juicing is vital for overall health and healing
  • How Andrea can walk you through the exact cleanse she uses on her celebrity clients
  • And much more!

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Show Date: 9/17/2012
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Guest Info: Andrea Cox is a highly published fitness model turned author. She has appeared on several fitness magazine covers and other media.

Andrea has had several articles published on reflexology and raw food. She fell in love with the healthy California lifestyle and “UN”cooking methods of The Raw Food Movement.

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Justin: Thank you so much everybody for joining us on today’s edition of extremehealthradio.com. We really appreciate you taking some time out of your day and learning about health and nutrition from Andrea Cox. We’re really excited about having her on the show today.

Today is an amazing day. It’s great weather here in Southern California and we’re ready to go. It is Monday, September 17th, 2012 and this is episode #9. You can find that extremehealthradio.com/9. All of our shows are transcribed, so that means that anything the guest says, or I say, during a show, is searchable on our website. We highly encourage you to take advantage of that. Also, there are show notes on this particular show, and if the guest mentions a book or website, or anything like that, there is no need to write it down, as it will be in the show notes. That’s extremehealthradio.com/9.

If you have any questions, email them to [email protected] and I will be sure to answer them on the air, or myself personally. If you would like to leave a voicemail for our guest, you can do so at (949) 391-7363 and we will play your message on the air to our guest.

Today’s episode is brought to you by the Excaliber Dehydrator, which is kind of an essential in any raw food kitchen. It’s one of my favorite appliances that we have in our kitchen. If you’re going to buy one, consider buying it through us and we will get a little commission for that. It’s extremehealthradio.com/excalibur.

Before we introduce our guest, I would like to go over a little bit of our show schedule. We have some great guests lined up for you this month. We are typically doing shows right now on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. This Wednesday, we have Lucas Rockwood, who is a yoga practitioner, and he will be talking to us about cleansing and detoxification, yoga, exercise and that kind of stuff. On Friday, we have Don and Carol Croft, who are doing a lot of great work with energy medicine and frequencies. They have something called ‘the terminator-2 zapper’, which helps to kill parasites.

Then, we have Christopher Wark, who beat cancer naturally. So, if you know anyone who has cancer, you may want to send that show onto them. He beat cancer using a raw food diet, so you will definitely want to check that out. We also have Sean Croxton, who is a big guy who is into the paleo diet, so he’ll be teaching us what the paleo diet is all about. We have Dr. Bruce Shelton, who is a homeopathic doctor in Arizona, doing some great work with healing people with all kinds of things, with chelation therapy, ozone and all kinds of interesting alternative medicine. We also have Dr. Gerald Smith who is a homeopathic dentist out of New York. He is going to be making the connection between cancer and root canals.

So, we have a lot of great guests coming up, so make sure to visit our show page and check that out.

I want to introduce our guest today. I’m very excited about having Andrea Cox on. She is a highly published fitness model, turned author. She has appeared in several fitness magazines, as well as other media. She has had several articles published on reflexology and raw food. She fell in love with the healthy California lifestyle and the uncooking methods of the raw food movement.

She is now a raw living food coach, who prides herself on teaching and spreading the word on living a healthy and active lifestyle. At 5’11” tall, she has stayed a size 0 for six years, eating as many as 4000 calories a day, of what she refers to as ‘real food’. She currently holds juice fasting and raw food cleansing retreats in Southern California and all over the world. So, visit her website. It’s thehealthyhaven.net. You can find out more about her classes and her books on her website.

So, thanks for joining us today Andrea, we really, really appreciate it.

Andrea: I’m in there and also send people to my newest website, alkalizewithandrea.com and also andreacox.com. alkalizewithandrea.com Justin is the webite where everybody can find out about the current retreats I’m holding. I’m holding juicing retreats and I also hold raw food retreats at the #1 health spa in the country.

Justin: So are those two brand new websites?

Andrea: No, they’ve been around for a while. However, I just hired a great person to try to keep them updated on a regular basis, so all of my following and my clients can keep up with my writing a new article or if I’m holding a new retreat or I’m on the news, or whatever I’m doing.

Justin: Great, that’s really, really good. So, you work with celebrity clients as far as cleansing and detoxification and things like that?

Andrea: I do, I do. I have one coming at 3:30 today, who I’m very excited about. I was actually on the news with him locally here in San Diego a couple of weeks ago, so am really excited to have him stopping by today.

Justin: So, people can see you and come and visit you, as well as doing things with you virtually over the internet? Is that how it works?

Andrea: Absolutely, I’m about to launch my digital detox program, which is very inexpensive. It’s just $97 and people can download on an MP3, my home raw food juicing protocol to get that last 10 lbs off, or even kick start anything that they want to begin when it comes to getting healthy, cleaning or just changing their lifestyle.

Justin: That’s great, just $97.

Andrea: That’s on alkalizewithandrea.com

Justin: Okay, we’ll have all of those links on our show page here too. I want to ask you, what is reflexology? I’ve heard about it, but I’ve never really had anything done with it. What is it?

Andrea: Reflexology is not something that I focus my energy on any longer, but I do believe it’s really important when getting healthy. It’s something that I discovered over a decade ago when I was on one of my first juice fasting retreats. I wasn’t running it, I was actually attending one, and it just really helped me get out a lot of the emotional things I was dealing with. I had had a loss and I was just really feeling like there was some deep rooted things that needed to come out of my core. Reflexology is massage of the hands and feet, and sometimes the ear lobes. All of our pressure points and all of our nerve endings go to our hands and feet. It’s just another way of detoxification, opening up the pathways, etc.

Justin: I read that you had some eating disorders that you were dealing with, prior to becoming a raw food person. Is that right?

Andrea: Absolutely, I’m so glad you brought that up, because that is why I’m here today. That is why I teamed up with my partner recently, who is going to be running some retreats with me as well. She also suffered with, actually the same eating disorder. You know, I think it’s important to let women and men, because eating disorders don’t discriminate, to know that they’re not alone, even in the midst of what they’re going through, if they have their head in a toilet bowl, or whatever, if they’ve been binge eating for 5 days at a time.

The thing now is that they can pull themselves out of it. It’s kind of the flip of a coin as to what’s really causing it. I come from the belief that yes, there’s an emotional component, but even more so, there’s a detoxification that needs to occur in the body. People are so void of minerals from eating the wrong food and bad food and packaged, processed, fertilized, homogenized, pasteurized, you know de-energized food and for so long that they can’t get the minerals they need. A common mineral that people are low on, when dealing with an eating disorder, is zinc.

Women are just low in zinc. There I go, I’m discriminating, women and men are both low in zinc and that can make you eat some crazy food. It can make you have some crazy cravings. That’s why I developed the products that I developed, to help people, re-establish that mineral balance in their bodies.

Justin: Interesting. So, have you found that there is an emotional connection with doing a detox and maybe some blockage that’s in your body? Have you found that there is, you know, when you start doing heavy detox, there is a lot of emotion that gets involved in that. Right?

Andrea: Oh yeah, I’m about to go on a month long detox myself, that I put a lot of my clients on. I have to tell you, it’s day 1 and I’m already having that come up. I think that, whenever you detox, no matter what it is, if it’s juice fasting, water fasting, or eating just fruits and vegetables, going on a raw food diet, eliminating you know, the major allergens we eat, gluten, dairy, etc.

I think there’s always a detox involved with your emotions. Because let’s face it. Our issues are in our tissues. Those issues that we’re dealing with, you know, I always make comparisons and I don’t want to do that today, but maybe you fell off your bike when you were 5 years old, and something happened that a friend pushed you off your bike, or you got into a fist fight in high school and got punched in the mouth and had a root canal from that. As you know, root canals cause the world of trouble, but you’re hanging on to all those feelings, and any moment in time, can trigger those feelings.

I will give you a great example. I just got out of a relationship, a beautiful and loving relationship, and what happened is, I look back now, shortly after, and see that we both had, I’ll speak for myself, I had so many issues from my childhood that were being triggered by this wonderful man. There were triggering and triggering, and what I realized was, that I was playing out a complete role with myself and just completely playing a role that I never dealt with about losing my father at an early age, etc., and some of the things he dealt with. I was feeling that so strongly with this man, and it took being away from him to realize that. Well, that’s a detox.

That’s emotional detox right there. When you’re not suppressing it with food. Justin, I’ll just talk you’re whole show, by the way, you don’t have to talk, you can actually eat lunch, and I’ll keep talking!! That’s what I do!!

Getting back to it, when you’re not suppressing those feelings down with food or cooked food or animal products, boy, that really comes up. I also tell my clients to steam some vegetables or eat some cooked food when they’re on a raw food diet. If they are too anxious or too moody, they need a little slowing of a cleanse, because that’s what the raw food diet is, it’s one big cleanse.

Justin: I’ve definitely noticed some issues with myself as well, with doing a raw food diet for many years. You know, it’s one of the best cleansing diets you could ever go on.

Andrea: Absolutely, it’s sometimes even better than juicing. I’m an avid juicer. I’m the juicing queen to the stars. Sometimes people don’t realize, even just eating raw food, because it’s pushing the matter down can be even more detoxifying than just juice alone

Justin: Now, did you go 100% raw overnight, like some people do, or did you ease into it?

Andrea: I’m kind of an all or nothing girl. I went overnight, but was ill, on a high protein diet, I was a fitness model and couldn’t get out of bed one day. My fingers were bent in a way that was unfamiliar to me, and either my next door neighbor or my mother, probably both, suggested I fly to New York to meet the author of a book I was reading on raw food.

I soon after flying to New York realized so I went her with all the information but her colon hydro therapist so I went and spent some time with him and ended up doing a 40-day juice fast and a 7-day water fast, which was the easiest thing I ever did in my life, believe it or not, and that changed my life forever. And, you know, I just went back to, I don’t want to promote any type of fasting on this call, but I just went back to a little water fasting and things like that, this past week. It’s always different each time you do it. But you know it’s really healing to let go, but you have to be really square in you mind to be able to take something like that on.

Justin: Yeah, water fasting is a big deal. How do you typically wean off of it? I have never done one myself.

Andrea: You know, I really don’t want to promote that on this call, I just don’t. I’d rather not, as you have to be really dialed in to do that. You know, I don’t want to go into specifics, but I don’t want people who are listening to this, who had eggs for breakfast, think that they should stop everything and drink water for 36-42 hours, whatever. I really don’t want to touch on this on this call. Is that okay with you?

Justin: Yes, no problem at all. What types of different cleansing protocols do you do? There are things like, obviously you know about all of these, liver cleanses, gallbladder cleanses, herbal cleanses, colonics and enemas. Each year, do you do a certain thing at a certain time, or do you just kind of wing it and take these things on as the year progresses.

Andrea: Do you know what, I’m going to be totally honest with you. I am very familiar with Andrea Flores and everyone, I know most of the people who created the liver and gallbladder cleanse and this flush and that flush and you need to do a kidney cleanse at this time of year, cleanse your spleen and pancreas at this time of year. I don’t believe in that. This is what I believe. I believe our skin is the largest, I believe in facts and I believe in results. Our skin is the largest organ in our body, so quit putting toxic substances on our skin.

The quickest way for a man not to get close to me is to show up to pick me up on a Friday night for a date with cologne on. He will be shown the door immediately. I think that’s the #1 thing, don’t be putting toxic substances on your body, including the toothpaste you brush with make sure it’s fluoride free. That’s #1 in cleansing, because once your skin can breathe, you can breathe. Sweating is extremely important. #2 is the colon. The colon is the way to cleanse. Let’s face it, what goes in, we’ve been putting in since we were born.

People are like, my bowel movements are great they’re stellar and I have a big bowel movement every morning. That’s great, but what did you eat the day before? Seriously, what did you eat? Did you have your fruit, your granola, your avocado salad, your chicken dinner, your whatever? Do you really see all that in the morning toilet? No. The colon is the best way that way. I think the other organs naturally cleanse after that. Moving your lymphatic system is vitally important. Moving your lymph system is really important.

I have a personal thing with the lymphatic system. I recently got extremely reconnected with my own lymphatic system, so any type of bouncing movement, like a rebounder, or sweating or any type of movement lifts the lymph system, but there are certain movements that are better for the lymph system than others. So, I believe in lymphatic and I believe in juicing. I am a huge proponent of juicing and eating fruit. A lot of people say, stay off the fruit, it feeds candida. I am at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Justin: When we come back, I want to ask you some more questions about cleansing and things like that. We’re with Andrea Cox and her website is thehealthyhaven.net. All of her Facebook and Twitter accounts are linked up on this show page, which is extremehealthradio.com/9.

Follow her on Facebook and Twitter, as she is putting out lots of great information. She has a video that I watched recently on her Facebook account that I would like to talk to her about. So, we’ll do that when we come back, so let me just run this spot and we’ll be right back.

We are back with Andrea Cox from thehealthyhaven.net and, before the break, we were talking about some cleansing and detoxification protocols that she does.

So Andrea, I want to ask you about juicing. What kinds of things do you juice, how often and how much do you juice every day?

Andrea: You know, I follow, what I call, the Andrea Cox method of listening to your body. So, I am an avid juicer. It’s very difficult for me to skip a day of juicing, because I know the benefits so well. I find that if I do skip a day, which I’ve got to tell you, probably in eight years I’ve skipped one or two days. I find that my skin doesn’t look as glowing.

I don’t have the energy the next day, so I’m a huge proponent of juicing. I like to think about juice, you know each herb or vegetable you juice has it’s own detoxifying principle. So, you know, if you’ve got inflammation juice turmeric or ginger, digestion will be ginger fennel, water retention would be parsley, cilantro would be for mercury detoxification skin would be cucumber.

I really would like to go from what I’m feeling that day. If I’ve had too much salt the day before, you’d better believe that celery is not going in my juice, but parsley is. If I’ve been eating lots of fruits, you’d better believe that celery is going into my juice to mineralize me. And so on and so forth. This morning I had everything local from the Farmers Market, from yesterday of course. I am a huge proponent of local. I know all of my farmers by name.

I had parsley and I had pomegranate seeds, cucumber, celery, fresh mint and fennel. That was my juice today. I did about 3-4 cups and I had that around noon. That’s how I roll. I had a couple of mangoes later on and I’m just kicking butt getting some off time hanging with Justin.

Justin: Isn’t it amazing how after you switch your diet your cravings go and your feeling of needing to feel full all the time. It’s amazing how much food that you used to eat. I wake up and I’m not hungry until 2:00 p.m.

Andrea: Do you know what? I want to say something about that. I’m so glad that you brought that up Justin, because not everybody’s like you, and I just know, without mentioning any specific names, but with a specific person who I got to know very well, it depends on your level of toxicity, because a toxic person will wake up and have to go and grab something to eat right away. But, a non-toxic person, or someone who’s done tons and tons of cleanses, like probably yourself and myself, could go all day and just have, you know, a juice around 2 o’clock or whatever, and be fine.

Many days I don’t even have my juice, especially lately, until later and later. And then there’s many days when I like to have that fruit meal and I like to have that evening meal. This past weekend, I spent two days out of town and had gourmet raw food. Am sure you’re familiar with Olaf? We love Olaf, we love stuff eater, don’t we?

Justin: Yeah, he’s great.

Andrea: I spent two days of eating the gourmet raw food and woke up today and thought, my God, what are you going to do now to get rid of all that damage? But, I’m back on my protocol and it worked. I think that’s the thing, find what works for you. If I can give anyone 5 tips, it would be 1) nobody else has your body, so what works for Andrea Cox, what works for Justin, is not going to work for Joe Schmo. You have to find what works for you, 2) get a juicer, even before a Vita-Mix, especially before a dehydrator.

The dehydrator is for when I’ve got food that’s going to go bad and I want to whip up a raw dehydrated recipe or something like that. I barely dehydrate food anymore. 3) Surround yourself with people who live your type of lifestyle.

That is so important. You know, we’re most like the five people we surround ourselves with. So, right now the five people around me are full of life, full of energy, full of health and they’re focused. They’re people that believe in what I’m doing and I believe in what they’re doing. I’m very careful about who I allow in my circle and who I allow to be around me in my space. That’s important. 4) Listen to your body.

If you’re craving something, and your craving liver or like meat, look up on the internet what that really means. Maybe you’re low in iron, but maybe you need some spinach with some orange juice squeezed on it so you can absorb the iron in the spinach. So look at what you’re craving, or maybe something has triggered your emotions. The fight you had with your brother or sister when you were 15 years old or something like that and it’s triggering the emotions so are you emotionally eating or are you eating because you want to eat.

I mean, that’s a huge one. With my clients, the clients I take on, especially the one’s who have eating disorders you know they can go through a breakup and go one way or the other. They’ll either not eat or they’ll over eat because they’re not getting the norepinephrine, dopamine, oxytocin to their brain that they were getting when they were in that loving relationship. And that’s a toughie. To not jump into something else right away but to actually to say, okay, how else can I get these feelings filled and not go off the wagon nutritionally. Lastly, cleanse your colon, make best friends with the colon hydro therapist.

People rip on me all the time for that, because I have videos on colon hydrotherapy and I believe in it. But, I tell you what, you should have one on speed dial, because when your digestion stops, that’s when you get things going and then you flow again with life

Justin: My wife (Kate) and I just had our very first one. I’ve been doing raw food since 2003, and we only just went for our very first colonic probably six months ago, and what an experience that was. It makes such a difference.

Andrea: How was it?

Justin: It was amazing and was nothing like I expected. It was not nearly as invasive as I thought and the lady who did it was really great and was really knowledgeable. It was an amazing experience and I think it’s important to do something like that, at least once a year, right?

Andrea: Yes, I’d say at least once a year. I’d say that when we get into raw food, once a week. Absolutely.

Justin: I wanted to ask you a little bit about, coming out of the fitness industry like you did, I work out a lot at the gym, and it’s interesting to me the difference between what you hear trainers telling people to eat and what is actually healthy. I’m sure you’ve noticed this huge chasm with results and how your body looks, versus how healthy you are. They are two completely different things, aren’t they?

Andrea: They are very different. The results that you get when coming out of the gym, I mean you’ve got to really differentiate between information and real truth information. People are putting, and I was guilty of this years ago, powders and things like in their bodies, protein powder made from whey that’s made in the factory and they think they’re doing themselves a healthy thing, and I’ll tell you, that is the definition of depression right there. I did that stuff for years.

I did the low carb diet, I used protein powders within 20 minutes of leaving the gym for my muscles. It was so beat into me. I would eat six meals a day. Talk about clogged. My first colonic. I mean you want me to tell you how my colonics are now?

Justin: Please do, we’d love to know.

Andrea: Okay, well let’s talk poo. If you can’t talk poo Justin, what can we talk about?

Justin: Right.

Andrea: My first colonic was just horrible and the woman said she had healed herself from cancer, this was in Ohio. She was from Panama her name was (inaudible) and she said you’re eating too much protein. And I said, ah you know whatever. I mean it was coming out like, locks. And now my colonic, I could go to a new colonic person tomorrow and not even go to my regular colonic lady I go to and she would just be like, wow! Oh my gosh, you are textbook colonic.

I do a colonic now and they are just blown away, they have to fill me once and then I release the entire time on my own, I don’t even get a second or third fill. Most people get 30 fills during a colonic, I get one. Why? Because I’m clean. I’m so incredibly clean that my body flows.

There are times, like today, where I wake up in the morning and from morning until bed I feel the energy rushing up and down my center that is so strong and so powerful that it’s, sometimes it’s hard to sleep at night because my energy is so good and that’s when I know I need a little denser food maybe go raw, make a little gourmet in the dehydrator something to slow me down.

Justin: So what would you suggest for someone out there who’s eating, let’s see, if someone’s eating just a standard American diet what would you suggest for them if they’re interested in getting a colonic done, what would you suggest as far, is there, are there things they need to do to ease into that or should they just go get one?

Andrea: Yes. I wouldn’t suggest getting a colonic done right away. If you’re eating a standard American diet or even if you’re still eating meat work on your diet first. Wake up that old matter. You really want to wake up that old matter so we need to start juicing, it’s very alkaline and your body is very acidic when you’re eating regular food or standard American diet.

Let’s not even talk standard America, let’s talk about the average person that’s eating like I was as a fitness model. There eating 3-4 times a day there eating animal products at each meal they’re having eggs for breakfast having a chicken salad for lunch there maybe doing a whey protein drink after the gym, you know someone, you know that’s pretty much the standard American diet and what we’ve been made to believe is healthy in the past decade, correct?

Justin: Right.

Andrea: The whole Atkins theory. So let’s talk about that person, that person has stuck mucoid plaque on there colon walls and they may look in the mirror and say, oh, I’m lean, look how lean I am back (inaudible) you can my vein, look I’m lean. No. You’re not lean it’s stuck to your colon walls. Lean is not necessarily healthy, you’ve got to really look at that. So I would suggest that that person start introducing juicing No. 1 and then more fruits and vegetables No. 2, maybe have their cooked food and their animal products in the evening, and then go for maybe even two weeks without any animal products. Have your cooked food in the evening kind of transition slowly, you’re going to just leave out the animal products.

A week later, get your colonic, see how it goes and set up the situation, see how you feel and then go back to whatever you feel is comfortable for you in that time. It’s a transition. I jumped into it head first and I call that “raw done wrong” in my book, it completely, it was wrong way to go.

Justin: Wow! So you just recommend basically for people to ease into getting a colonic. Now what about doing things like enemas, things like that. Do you do those?

Andrea: You know I did before I moved to where I live now only because I was moving in with another person and I didn’t want that device around but I just ordered one today. Yes I ‘m a huge proponent of Colima boards, enemas, whatever you want to do. The Colima board didn’t work for me, I’m not really a fan of the Colima board but I am a fan of just doing an old enema.

Justin: Okay. Now, can you tell me, I’ve never done one, and how do you do an enema. Can you kind of break that down a little bit for us?

Andrea: You really want me to break it down? I love you, you’re so cute. Okay. So the way I like to do an enema, and when I put people on my cleanse and at my retreat they do an enema, they’ll each have an enema bag, they hang it above their head like on a towel rack, and they’ll fill it with quality water, not bad water, coffee enemas are good too but not for the average person, it wakes up too much matter to fast in the body and they’re not able to handle the liver detoxification.

It can often give people a little bit of anxiety too if they’re prone to anxiety. I give coffee enemas consistently but I’m not own to excess anxiety. So it’s a bag hanging above their head and they’ll insert the insertion tube just roughly an inch into the rectum and they’ll let the water flow. And they’ll feel the urge to release and it will just release around the tube. Done. Clean it off and you’re done.

Justin: Okay. Some people talk about how it could last like an hour, or how quick are these enemas. How long do they last?

Andrea: You know just to refill the bag one to two times maybe three times and you’re done.

Justin: Interesting. I’m going to have to get into that because I’ve always wanted to do it but I’ve never really gotten into, like I said recently, I did my firsts colonic and I’ve been eating this way since 2003 so I’m kind of a slow mover….

Andrea: Justin, I wish I’d have been there. I wish I would have been and witnessed your colonic. I bet it was beautiful if you’ve been eating this way since 1993, beautiful.

Justin: Yes, it was pretty good. So do you grow any of your own wheat grass or sprouting, things like that, do you do all that?

Andrea: Well, I’ll tell you, in Ohio I did. I had a garden and I had a wheat grass guy that delivered to me every other day, I really had it made in Ohio with the way I was living and I actually, it’s funny you say that, I’m seeking that out right now.

I’m seeking to move into a place that 80 percent of the food is grown by us, which I think I found that perfect fit. And I have a very dear friend that I did an interview with that you might want to call up, Anthony Anderson and he is amazing, he’s into permaculture, he’s got a website, he’s really, really great guy. But he’s taught me a lot too just by watching him and what he talks about and his videos and things like that on how to really sustain yourself and grow your own food. It’s really obv