Pablo Held Investigates

Drummer and composer RJ Miller joins Pablo Held to talk about the creative process behind his albums “Ronald’s Rhythm” and “Free Soul”, finding specific grooves for songs and what he thinks about endings. Other topics include playing in the groups of Jorge Rossy and Aaron Parks, seeing Paul Motian at the Village Vanguard, and lessons learned from Ornette Coleman and Masabumi Kikuchi.

Saxophonist & composer Chris Potter returns to ‘Pablo Held Investigates’ for an in-depth conversation, recorded just before heading out on their European tour together. Zooming in on their repertoire, Chris shares insights into his compositional process. Other topics include Herbie Hancock’s ‘Actual Proof’, what Chris pays attention to when listening to Charlie Parker and John Coltrane, playing on ‘Alegria’ by Wayne Shorter and much more. https://pabloheld.com

Singer-songwriter and guitarist Becca Stevens joins Pablo Held to talk about her new album “Maple To Paper” and the compositional process behind the title track. Other topics include learning standards, the power of lyrics and their inner rhythm, balancing creativity and parenting, and studying songs like “The Rainbow Connection,” Ornette Coleman’s “What Reason Could I Give,” and Charles Mingus’ “Portrait”.

Chris Weisman joins Pablo Held for a special episode about their unique long-distance collaboration in which they made albums for each other. They talk about exchanging songs on paper, giving up control over arrangement, production and instrumentation, and releasing records on which neither of them plays a single note of their own music. Moving beyond process, the conversation dives into questions of authorship, musical identity, and trust, as they reflect track-by-track on both albums and on the emotional experience of hearing one’s music transformed through another artist’s imagination—and how this project reshaped their understanding of what the term “my music” really means. Album links:Chris Weisman – Pablo Held Plays My Musichttps://chrisweisman.bandcamp.com/album/pablo-held-plays-my-musicPablo Held – Chris Weisman Plays My Musichttps://pabloheld.bandcamp.com/album/chris-weisman-plays-my-music 00:00:00 The origin story of this project01:33:20 How Chris made Pablo’s album03:14:27 How Pablo made Chris’ album

Pianist, composer & recording engineer Pete Rende joins Pablo Held to talk about strong melodies, finding your own voice and playing what you hear. Other topics include Pete’s whispering exercise, composing, working with jazz legends Paul Motian and Ron Carter, and his return to playing after a long break.

Saxophonist & composer John O’Gallagher joins Pablo Held to talk about sound and projection on the alto saxophone, his PhD research on late-period Coltrane, and how pitch-class set theory shapes his music. Other topics include stories behind the making of his new album ‘Ancestral’, playing together at Pablo’s ‘Alice Coltrane Tribute’ concert in Cologne, recording on Joe Henderson’s big band album, memories of Andrew Hill, and much more.

Larry Grenadier joins Pablo Held to talk about composing, comping, and working on clarity and technique on the bass. Other topics include memorizing songs, playing in different keys, and his experiences with Joe Henderson, Stan Getz, John Scofield, Brad Mehldau, Larry Goldings, Paul Motian, Masabumi Kikuchi, Billy Higgins, Guillermo Klein, Steve Swallow and Jack DeJohnette. They also reflect on Blossom Dearie, Paul Chambers, Jaco Pastorius’ ‘Word of Mouth’, Bill Stewart’s ‘Telepathy’, studying with Ron Carter, routines, self-doubt, and so much more.

Patrice Rushen joins Pablo Held to talk about composing for orchestras, films, and small groups; important orchestration lessons; and recording the ‘Joy Ryder’ album with Wayne Shorter. They also discuss witnessing a Weather Report recording session for ’Tale Spinnin’, a memorable meeting with Miles Davis, sight reading, her technique and touch on the piano, the Fender Rhodes, memories of seeing Herbie Hancock’s ‘Mwandishi’ band live, performing & rehearsing with Prince, singing and much more.

Drummer Kush Abadey joins Pablo Held to talk about mental practice, time feel, drum tuning, lessons learned from playing with Wallace Roney, Tomasz Stanko & Buster Williams, recording Melissa Aldana’s new album with Gonzalo Rubalcaba, the art of playing brushes, clarity, Miles Davis’ ‘Complete Concert 1964’ album and much more.

Saxophonist Nicole Glover joins Pablo Held to talk about her creative process, the stories behind her compositions, recording albums at the legendary Van Gelder Studio, working with Renee Rosnes & ARTEMIS, Christian McBride, Al Foster and studying with Mulgrew Miller. Other topics include practicing like a drummer, embracing mistakes, exploring the whole-tone scale and the unique form of Miles Davis’ “Circle.”

To celebrate the 7th anniversary of the podcast, Pablo sits down with singer/songwriter Chris Weisman for an epic and nerdy conversation. This episode marks Chris’s 3rd appearance on the podcast. They dive deep into his current process and the recording and compositional processes for his recent albums. They also discuss their shared love for the music of Wayne Shorter, the Beatles, Alice Coltrane, and the song ‘Rainbow Connection’, among other topics. Furthermore, Chris and Pablo look back at seven years of ‘Pablo Held Investigates’ and relive memorable moments from selected episodes. • Support ‘Pablo Held Investigates’ on Patreon and gain access to exclusive educational videos, lead sheets, music recommendations, and behind-the-scenes goodies from the podcast. • Pablo’s music — including vinyl, CDs, digital releases, and merch — is available on Bandcamp. • Subscribe to his monthly newsletter and receive an exclusive track straight to your inbox. • For more about Pablo Held’s musical world, visit pabloheld.com.

Pablo Held shares memories from the recording session of his latest album “Unity”, which features longstanding Pablo Held Trio mates Robert Landfermann & Jonas Burgwinkel, guitarist Nelson Veras and Pablo on piano, mellotron, celesta & synths. ‘Unity’ is Held’s 19th album as a leader and the 7th on his own label ‘Hopalit Records’.Check out the album here:https://pabloheld.bandcamp.com/album/unity

Pianist and composer Albert Sanz sits down with Pablo Held for an in-depth piano hang. They talk about Albert’s compositional process, the art of comping for singers, memories from working with Billy Hart, Lee Konitz and Perico Sambeat, the importance of leaving space, Albert’s new Jobim album with Sara Dowling, their shared heroes Gil Evans & Federico Mompou and much more.

Master drummer Eric McPherson sits down with Pablo Held to discuss his idea of flow on the drums, lessons learned from jazz legends Jackie McLean, Andrew Hill & Pharoah Sanders, his relationship to bassists Ben Street & John Hebert and memorable moments in the studio / on the road. ___ • Support ‘Pablo Held Investigates’ on Patreon and gain access to exclusive educational videos, lead sheets, music recommendations, and behind-the-scenes goodies from the podcast. • Pablo’s music — including vinyl, CDs, digital releases, and merch — is available on Bandcamp. • Subscribe to his monthly newsletter and receive an exclusive track straight to your inbox. • For more about Pablo Held’s musical world, visit pabloheld.com.

Sharing memories from the recording session of my album “Elders”, which is dedicated to my parents. “Elders” came out on Pirouet Records in 2013 and features my trio mates Robert Landfermann – bass, Jonas Burgwinkel – drums and three guests: Jason Seizer – tenor saxophone, Domenic Landolf – alto flute & Ronny Graupe – acoustic guitar + me on piano.Check out the album here:https://pabloheld.bandcamp.com/album/elders

Talking to writer/jazz historian Ashley Kahn was an honor. We first met in 2024 when Ashley interviewed me as part of the Bologna Jazz Festival. We had such a good time on and off stage together, that we decided to continue our conversation on my podcast. In the weeks leading up to this I revisited many of the great liner notes Ashley wrote for many of my favorite albums. I also re-read all the books of him I had known before (his wonderful books on “Kind Of Blue”, and “A Love Supreme“) and read his fantastic book „The House That Trane Built“ for the first time. Immersing myself in this wonderful works inspired me deeply. I’m very thankful for Ashley’s contribution to the music of our time.

It was a great pleasure to talk to the amazing guitarist, orchestrator & educator Ella Feingold on the podcast. She contacted me a couple of years ago after I released the Blake Mills/Chris Weisman episodes and said she’d love to talk. I started checking out her amazing work and became an instant fan. I’ve learned a lot from watching her videos and even more from this wonderful conversation, which I’m delighted to be able to share with you all.

I’m very thankful to be on the the road with Tineke Postma quite often. She is an amazing saxophonist & composer, I’m learning a lot from her and she’s so much fun to be around. We talk all the time when we’re on tour with the band Re:Calamari and this conversation actually happened between gigs. We could basically continue where we left off the day before. Naturally, we focussed on many of the things I often ask Tineke about: her process as a bandleader & composer, her experiences with Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Esperanza Spalding, Kris Davis & Terri Lynne Carrington, ideas & approaches for improvisation, finding your voice as an artist and much more. As always it was a big pleasure to hang out together and I’m very excited to share this with you all now.

Talking to the legendary Eddie Henderson was a dream come true for me. As I tell Eddie in the beginning of this episode, I’ve been listening to him for all my life: My father played Herbie Hancock’s “Mwandishi” albums for me as a kid and when I was 13 I saw Eddie with Herbie’s “Gershwin’s World” band in Düsseldorf. I’ll never forget it. Throughout the years I got more deeply into Eddie’s own catalog of records and learned a lot from listening to him. His sound alway touches me and I admire him on many levels. So to finally get to talk to him about his time with Herbie, about what he learned from Miles Davis, about practicing with Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard and Woody Shaw, and how it was to play with Joe Henderson was an absolute honor. In this music theres a deep tradition of passing on knowledge orally. This way future generations can learn from the elders. Eddie Henderson is not only a “witness to history” (the name of his latest album), he’s also very generous with sharing his wisdom. I’m glad we can all learn from maestro Eddie together now.

The day before our interview I had the big pleasure of playing with Kanoa Mendenhall for the first time. After a long time of admiring her from afar, I finally got to know her through making music and hanging out together, which was really special for me. We zoomed in on Kanoa’s creative process, we re-evaluated what happened during our concert and we even played some more. It was a beautiful conversation and I’m glad I get to share it with you now.

A few years ago I took inspiring composition lessons with pianist/composer/arranger Guillermo Klein, which still resonate with me to this day. Guillermo helped me to break free from habits and find new pathways to starting the compositional process. Now I finally got to interview on the podcast, which, in a way, turned out to be another incredible composition lesson – but this time I get to share it with you!Listening to Guillermo’s unique music always uplifts and inspires me – the same thing happens when we talk.

Anders Jormin is one of my favorite bassists and composers. I got the chance to play with him in 2016, where we celebrated the music of my late teacher, the great John Taylor. Now, we continue where we left off and talk in-depth about his life in music. It was so great to pick Anders’ brain about his view on composition, voice leading, interplay, how we deal with influences, memories of playing with drum masters Paul Motian, Elvin Jones and Billy Hart, writing a symphony, his bass heroes and… we also played a bit for each other!

Talking to singer, multi-instrumentalist, composer and interdisciplinary artist Jen Shyu was immensely inspiring and invigorating! After admiring Jen’s work for a long time from afar, getting to pick her brain for almost 3 hours was a big deal for me. As you know, I always love it when the artists bring there instruments and perform on the episode- Jen was all for that and brought a few traditional instruments like the moon lute and the gayageum and of course she sang quite a bit. You’ll see, this conversation went to all kinds of places. I’m very grateful to Jen for letting us into her unique world.

Talking to Joe Lovano was a dream come true. After so many years of listening to him I finally got to ask him about his process and get deeper insights into his musical journey. When our conversation ended I felt totally inspired and eager to dive into music– that’s exactly like we feel after we’ve taken a lesson with a great teacher, right? I’m glad we can all learn from maestro Joe together now.  Many thanks to the great Joe Lovano for taking the time to talk to me and to all of you for listening to our conversation. 

The great John Scofield returns to the podcast – and this time he brought his guitar! I absolutely love talking with Sco. To get ask him about his time with Paul Bley, Miles Davis, Elvin Jones and Jaco still is like a dream come true for me. And when he then takes out his guitar to demonstrate things from the music we talk about, like Carla Bley’s classic ‘Ida Lupino’ or a couple of my favorite Sco tunes, I’m in total fan-boy mode! I’m glad I get to share these moments with you. Thanks for watching & listening!

Savannah Harris is an incredible drummer & great person. I not only admire her musicality & playing, but also her honesty and her rare no-BS-mentality, which is so apparent both in her playing and when you talk to her. We bonded right away when we first played and hung out in 2023. (Both of us were on the jury & the accompanying band for the GJC auditions in Mainz) Plans were made to do an interview then and it finally happened a month ago. Now I’ll get to share it with you and we can all learn collectively from one of the great drummers of our time! Heartfelt thanks to my Patreon community for their support & enthusiasm for this podcast! We’ve come a long way since I started this podcast in 2018: Now, I’m on my way to fully fund this podcast through Patreon subscriptions! — If you’re listening to these talks often, please consider joining my Patreon. You’ll get behind-the-scenes content, educational videos, music recommendations and much more.

What an absolute joy to nerd-out with saxophonist & composer Mark Turner about music after all these years of listening to him! As I tell Mark during this episode, his tune “Jacky’s Place” was my ring-tone for a while in the early 2000s I think we hit it off right away and covered a lot of ground in our conversation. I’m happy to share it now with all of you!

This my conversation with recording engineer & multi-instrumentalist Joseph Branciforte. I had been a fan of his work on albums by Ben Monder, Caroline Davis, Matt Mitchell, Jen Shyu & Kate Gentile and loved his duo work with Theo Bleckmann. So naturally I was excited when Joseph reached out to me and said that he had been listening to the podcast and would love to come on to talk about his process. We had an inspiring conversation which seemed to flow effortlessly right away. I’m grateful that I got to nerd-out with Joseph and that I now get to share it with you.

Talking to master bassist Robert Hurst was a big highlight for me. My earliest memory of listening to him goes back to my childhood where I often picked out the ‘Mo Better Blues‘ soundtrack from of my parent’s record collection. While listening to the record I stared at the pictures of the musicians in the booklet in awe. To finally get to talk to him was a dream come true for me. I feel very grateful to Robert for his generosity and the inspiring conversation we had. Let’s all learn from him together now!

About a year ago I saw Isabel Hagen‘s appearance on the Jimmy Fallon Show became an instant fan, quickly diving into as much of her work as I could find. I love her standup and her incredible web series „Is A Violist“. The way Isabel combines comedy & music is really something else. I’ve been a fan of comedy for all my life. (I grew up watching Jerry Lewis movies) It’s so fascinating how connected these art forms (all art forms really) are. At this point I’m studying my favorite comedians with similar admiration like I have for my favorite musicians. I’m glad we all get to learn from Isabel Hagen together now. Thank you to Isabel for your time and giving us insights into your processCaroline Shaw for kindly putting me in touch with IsabelTill Kammertoens for your tireless work on the podcastmy Patreon community. With your help I’m able to pay for the running costs of the podcast and keep it going! I can’t thank you enough. Here’s a shoutout to my newest members: Jonas Lusti, Alexis Boone, Cédric Hanriot, Jude Lane, Ignacio Amil,Jake K., Nadiia Zhurba, Simão Bárcia & Parker Shper

Here’s my conversation with singer, bassist & composer Fuensanta – one of the most original artists that I know. We reflect on her life in music, her creative process, challenges and important lessons, band leading, composing methods, influences and also we relive our own musical encounter with Louis Cole and Shannon Barnett. This is episode has everything that I hope for in these conversations and much more! These days I find myself going back to many of the things that Fuensanta told me. Lots to learn here!

Legendary bassist & composer Buster Williams came on the podcast to talk about Sarah Vaughan, the role of the bass, patience in music, playing with the Miles Davis Quintet, his record ‘Something More’ … and much more! Such an honor to talk to him! I’m glad we get to learn from him together.

Here’s my in-depth conversation with Blake Mills & Chris Weisman about Blake’s “Jelly Road” album. We talk about each track and Blake & Chris often take out their guitars to show specific things in the music. It was so great to talk with them! Deepest gratitude to Blake & Chris for letting me study this music ahead of its release. I had the greatest time diving into this incredible record. Also, many thanks to all my Patreon community for their generosity & encouragement!

A conversation between Cuban pianist & composer Gonzalo Rubalcaba and German pianist Pablo Held

Guitarist & composer Ella Zirina in conversation with Pablo Held.

Producer, composer, singer, and songwriter Ethan Gruska in conversation with Pablo Held

Percy Pursglove is not only an incredible trumpet player, he’s also an adventurous composer and educator, a great musical mind, a great bassist and… he’s also my friend. I’ve been a fan of him ever since we first met during a little tour with Chris Potter in 2013. We bonded right away and a few years later we started playing together in many different musical scenarios: We’ve worked together in my Buoyancy Band, with my trio, my big ensemble GLOW, with our mutual friend Michael Gibbs, in the NDR BigBand and many more one-off situations. When we’re together we often get into deep discussions about the music and our relationship to it. I always looks forward to these conversations as much as I look forward to playing with him. I feel like we can work so well together because we are so honest with each other. This episode is basically like one of those conversations on the road together. Thanks for joining us. ( side note for context: we recorded this in 2021 during one of the covid lockdowns )

The album Portals, Vol 1: Mourning was my entry point into the wonderful music by saxophonist & composer Caroline Davis. It was exactly what the title entails: I felt transported right away! It led me to check out so many other beautiful albums, videos and articles, which impressively show Caroline’s exceptional talent and vision. My personal favorites are Portals, Alula, her live videos from Smalls on YouTube and her fascinating lecture on Jazz & Gender. I had a great time talking to Caroline about some of my favorite tunes from her, gender equity, lessons learned working with personal heroes like Geri Allen or Lee Konitz, leading a band, Mary Lou Williams, self doubt, Connie Crothers and much more.

Saxophonist Charles McPherson is a living legend, a musician of the highest order. I’ve learned a lot by listening to him play (and speak!) over the years. When I got the chance to interview him as part of the Mingus100 Festival at the Stadtgarten in Köln, I was delighted! Since this happened in between sets, time was limited. Still, we managed to talk about lots of different topics like his time with Charles Mingus, the secret behind great art, the influence of Charlie Parker and his “linear sense of logic” and what he expects from his fellow musicians. I’m so happy that this happened and that we got to do this in front of a live audience as well. Thank you Charles and thank you to my friends Denis Gäbel & Robert Landfermann for this opportunity!

It was a dream come true to talk with master bassist & composer John Patitucci. Easy going, inspiring and deep! Plus he played lots of bass, some piano and we went through several of his compositions- as you know, I always hope for these things to happen and John was totally open for it. I think we cover a lot of ground in this conversation, where John generously shares his experiences and insights from his exciting life in music and I’m in total fan-boy mode. A little side note- of course it’s evident that John is an absolute pro in music, but he was also so well prepared for this interview: he had good mics set up for his voice AND his bass and he came in early (15 minutes before our scheduled time) two make sure everything worked. Can’t ask for more!

Jason Seizer brings people together. As saxophonist and bandleader, but also as a producer & engineer of 100+ albums for the great German label Pirouet Records. He has big ears and an open heart, a personal sound on the saxophone and a distinct vision for the music. Jason and me go way back. What started as a producer-musician relationship quickly became a deep friendship. With each album we made together we grew closer together. I turn to Jason for advice on musical things, but also about life in general. He’s my friend and I owe him a lot! But I’m not alone with this. Under the banner of Pirouet Records, Jason has given so many of my heroes and my close friends a musical home, helping us all to realize musical dreams. In our conversation we reflect on Jason’s life in music, taking lessons with Joe Lovano & Ferdinand Povel, the development of his quartet, what he needs from his fellow musicians and the importance of “the hang”.

I first noticed David Virelles’ name in 2011. I was checking out which bands were playing at the Village Vanguard, which is when I saw that Chris Potter had a new pianist in his group. I had been following Chris’ music heavily for quite some time back then, so naturally I was curious about a change in his line up. Since I don’t live in New York, I asked a friend of mine who lived there at the time to go and secretly record a set for me. I was struck by David’s unique style, which to my ears brought something new to the table compared to what was considered en vogue that time. It became quite noticeable how David quickly influenced a new generation of musicians, making important contributions to the music of today. I’m happy I could include David in this series of interviews. Topics include David’s relationship to his mentors Henry Threadgill and Barry Harris, leaving space, practice routines, warming up, material that David has been working on recently, the process behind a couple of his own albums, Andrew Hill, playing with Paul Motian and much more.

Pianist Danilo Perez is one of my biggest heroes. Ever since I first heard the magical album “Footprints Live” by the Wayne Shorter quartet two decades ago I became an instant fan. I still remember having NO clue what these guys were doing. They played the songs I thought I knew, but in a way that I had never heard before. I began trying to get every record, every bootleg, every interview, every video, every book that could help me understand and study this music more deeply. And with this interview I finally got the chance to ask some of the questions I’ve had for years. This episode is everything I hope for with this podcast- and much more! A dream come true, really.

Madison Cunningham is a natural. A master singer/songwriter with incredible abilities on the guitar and a singular voice. To me, everything she does sounds effortless and passionate at the same time – that’s a rare combination! I just love her music and I’m thrilled that I got to talk to her. Madison generously shared insights into her compositional process, stories behind my favorite songs, and, to my great delight, even played a couple of them for me. We also talked about performing in front of Joni Mitchell, dealing with social media, her favorite Judee Sill song, and much more. I’m glad I get to share this conversation with you, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

Who are You? This is the leitmotif of my musical discussion with drummer, pianist and vibes player Jorge Rossy. He shares his journey as a multi-instrumentalist, how working with Wayne Shorter forced him to escape his comfort zone, what it was like to work on odd-meters with the iconic Brad Mehldau Trio, how Guillermo Klein helped him to get into composition, how working with Al Foster and Jakob Bro expanded his musical vocabulary, leading a band, subbing in a band, the story behind his album “Wicca”, and much more. Talking to Jorge is just like playing with him. He makes you listen, he’s encourages you to go deep, he’s funny and radically honest, and his deep love for the music is apparent in everything he does. Thank you Jorge!

Ben Solomon is an incredible saxophonist who I first heard through the music of the late Wallace Roney. I was immediately struck by his sound, the energy and his love for the music. In fact, that was the only note I wrote down prior to this interview: Love. You can often tell when people are in love. You can see and feel it. With Ben I can feel that he’s in love. I had to talk to Ben about his love for the music of John Coltrane, about his process and how he was able to to gain such a deep understanding of it. We also get into many other topics like our shared love for classical composers Igor Stravinsky, Ravel and Carlos Salzedo, working with Wallace Roney and Chick Corea, composing, and much more. I’m glad that we now can all learn together from Ben!

I had been admiring Melissa Aldana’s playing and music for many years, when I suddenly received a message from her, saying that she really liked the podcast. I was flattered and amazed that she would reach out to me. We made plans to do an interview and here it is! We talked about learning from Melissa’s heroes Sonny Rollins, Jimmy Heath and Mark Turner and how she incorporates these influences into her world, about leading a band, practicing creativity, her latest album 12 Stars and the process behind it, self-doubt/self-acceptance and much more. After following Melissa’s musical journey from afar for a long time, it was great to now get a more personal and deeper view into her process. It felt like we were hanging out. Come and hang out with us!

Master drummer Jochen Rueckert is a personal hero of mine. I’ve been checking him out since my teenage years, when I discovered Achim Kaufmann’s “Weave”, Paul Heller’s “Kaleidoskop” & Jochen’s own “Introduction”, three massively influential records for me. He is an outstanding drummer and a great guy who always speaks his mind, and this conversation is no exception. We talked about him coming up in the Cologne scene and then making his move to NY in the late 90s, winding up playing with Kurt Rosenwinkel & Marc Copland, his clarity, dynamics, what he expects from bandleaders and fellow musicians, self doubt and much more.

I still remember when I first heard Kurt Rosenwinkel’s epic album “The Next Step”. In the early 2000s I was visiting my guitar friend Riaz Khabirpour in his apartment in Amsterdam. When he went out to practice, I stayed in his place, going through his record collection. I can still tap into the feeling I had when hearing Kurt’s intro to “Zhivago” for the first time. I was mesmerized by his otherworldly, fluid and big sound. Lines and harmonies like I hadn’t heard before quite like that. Since then, “The Next Step” remained an important album to me and made me check out as much of Kurt’s music as I could. In our talk, we get in to his relationship with Ben Street, Jeff Ballard & Mark Turner, memories from his steady gig at Smalls, thinking of other instruments while playing the guitar, the development of his sound, learning other people’s music, playing Paul Motian’s EBBB… and then he went over to the piano and demonstrated the process behind his song “Cycle 5” and much more. I’m grateful to Kurt for all the inspiration and for everything he shared so candidly in our conversation.