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[00:00:03] Brett: This episode is brought to you by HIMS. Stay tuned for more info on how they can help you with men’s health. Welcome to Overtired. We are back. Couple weeks off. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Jeff Severins Gunsel and Christina Warren and special guest Erin Dawson. Welcome to the show, everybody.

[00:00:22] Jeff: WelcomeErinon.

[00:00:25] Erin: Thank you,

[00:00:25] Christina: Erin.

[00:00:26] Erin: Thank you, Christina. Thank you, Brett.

[00:00:29] Jeff: I just want to thank everybody.

[00:00:31] Brett: Erin, introduce yourself.

[00:00:32] Erin: have something to say about hymns first.

[00:00:35] Jeff: Hmm.

[00:00:36] Erin: Um, I think I know what hymns is. And do they also work for, like, lady boners?

[00:00:45] Brett: Well, it depends on the type of lady, I guess.

[00:00:48] Erin: Right, well, ladies that could nominally achieve, like, how’s that work?

[00:00:54] Brett: That’s a, that’s a, it’s a fair question. Uh, we may have to contact their ad department to [00:01:00] find out how they want to spin that.

[00:01:01] Erin: What we may also have to do is start this episode over. I’m so sorry. I probably

[00:01:08] Jeff: Whoa, Brett, no, we don’t have to start over, but Brett, did you just play the intro bit?

[00:01:12] Brett: no. That was, it’s the same voice. Um, my, my website just generated because the current giveaway ended at noon. So it generated the like this, this giveaway is over post and every time it finishes generating, and this happens to me on conference calls all the time, it, it says in Zarbox voice, bam, generated.

[00:01:38] Jeff: Wow, that’s cool. I like it.

[00:01:41] Brett: I love, I love Zarbox. Anyway, Erin, Erin.

[00:01:44] Brett: Aaron,

[00:01:44] Erin: let’s make this about me. Um, hello, my name is Erin Dawson. Full disclosure, I work with one Brett Terpstra. Um, that is what I do for a living, which is to work with Brett. Um, but

[00:01:57] Brett: so than you used to. We’ve kind of moved to different [00:02:00] teams, but yeah.

[00:02:01] Tales from the tour

[00:02:01] Erin: I hate that. Uh, but in my real life, my waking life, my sober ish life, I am a musician, um, and more specifically a black metal musician, uh, with a project called Genital Shame for which I just got back, um, from a tour a couple weeks ago.

[00:02:21] Erin: Uh, started in Chicago, played my hometown Pittsburgh, went to Montreal. Baltimore, Brooklyn, Boston, and ended in Cincinnati. And really, like, it was kind of uneventful. Usually with tours like this, you’re spending six hours on average a day in a van with, you know, boys with, you know, may or may not have Stomach issues.

[00:02:49] Erin: So that,

[00:02:50] Jeff: good smells.

[00:02:51] Erin: that could be a, yeah, uh, an atmosphere creates in the van where you look up and you can start to see cloud formation. [00:03:00] Um, but I’m happy to say like, by the end of it, like I want to spend more time with these people. Uh, my backing band is a band in its own right called Stander from Chicago. But when we we’re on the same label, um, so when we tour, uh, they’re my backing band, but, um, yeah.

[00:03:17] Erin: Highlights include playing Brooklyn. We played St. Vitus, this I don’t know if you’re familiar.

[00:03:23] Jeff: Vitus.

[00:03:24] Erin: Yeah, it’s it’s, uh, I don’t know if you’re familiar, uh, Christina, but it’s it’s sort of a, like, metal institution in in Brooklyn. And, like, two days after Genital Shame played, they were shut down. Uh, hopefully temporarily, they still are for noise ordinance stuff.

[00:03:41] Christina: Damn. Okay. And like, what part of

[00:03:43] Erin: right under the

[00:03:45] Christina: What type of, what part of Brooklyn is

[00:03:46] Erin: green point?

[00:03:47] Christina: Greenpoint? Greenpoint? Okay. So, all right. So it’s been gentrified a lot, but still to get like a noise ordinance complaint, that’s impressive. Uh, honestly, like that’s, that’s,

[00:03:57] Jeff: My, my brother owns two bars in [00:04:00] Greenpoint in Williamsburg next to each other and he has to have the neighbors, he has the neighbors numbers on his cell phone. They call him directly instead of a noise complaint and it happens all the time.

[00:04:10] Erin: At least,

[00:04:10] Jeff: talk them down.

[00:04:12] Erin: like, that’s cool to keep the cops out of it, like, directly

[00:04:15] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I was

[00:04:16] Jeff: That was his thing is he’s like, Hey, can we talk about this?

[00:04:20] Christina: Yeah, right before I moved, they, um, there’s like this backdoor area from like this restaurant that was right next door to us, like right next door to us. And I didn’t like mind so much. It’s just that it was like the patio area, like during the weekend, fine. But like during the week, I’m not going to lie.

[00:04:38] Christina: Like I kind of felt like I was becoming like an old person because, you know, if, if it’s like two o’clock in the morning. And there’s a backyard full of people just like partying. You’re kind of like, okay, I don’t have any choice here. Like, can, can, can you not? But I still, never in my mildest dreams, like, I could never even conceive of calling, like, the police for noise complaint.[00:05:00]

[00:05:00] Christina: Like, it’s

[00:05:00] Brett: I have, I have called the front desk. Um, one year at Macworld, uh, Mac, Mac stock, um, I was trying to sleep cause I was resenting the next morning and it was so noisy. Someone was just having a, a riot. So I called the front desk. I’m like, Hey, I’m in this room. Could you please, um, ask the people in this room to quiet down?

[00:05:21] Brett: Turns out the next day that it was some of my best friends. Like, at the conference, and I had like, I had called, essentially called the cops on them, which

[00:05:31] Christina: Well, I mean,

[00:05:31] Brett: I admitted to. Sorry.

[00:05:33] Christina: mean, I mean, I mean, the thing is, is like, it’s okay to like, be told to like quiet down when it’s annoying as if somebody asks you if you can quiet down and it’s after like 11 PM and you won’t, then I think it’s like, okay, now you’re a Satan. And now actually like if the cops are called, I’m actually completely fine with that.

[00:05:51] Christina: You know what I mean? Like, um,

[00:05:54] Brett: you’re out.

[00:05:54] Christina: Well, no, I mean, the thing is like, we had an incident, um, uh, where, where I live, I’m like, I pay [00:06:00] way too much in rent for this stuff, but I’m on the seventh floor. The only thing above me is the roof deck. And so we have really high ceilings and there was like a massive party happening.

[00:06:08] Christina: And I think like, it was, I was ignoring it. Until I think like 2. 30 and the thing is, is no one’s supposed to be on the roof deck after I think like 11 and, and then, and like they would not shut up and then they were like rude about it and then they were like taunting about it and I was like, okay, I’m, I’m actually going to like file a complaint with the, you know, building that I paid too much money for.

[00:06:32] Christina: Um, I think Grant called the cops. I would never call the cops still because, you know. Fuck that, but like, um, also everyone there to be, to be, just, just, just to put it out there, everyone at the party and everyone who is like, in the building is extremely white and extremely privileged, so there’s like, no risk of, you know, all you’re doing is wasting the cop’s time, which, I mean, honestly, who cares?

[00:06:53] Brett: Okay, so you played, you played the last show, as far as, as far as anyone knows, [00:07:00] the last show at

[00:07:01] Erin: Yeah, yeah. A band called Genital Shame. Um,

[00:07:07] Christina: it.

[00:07:08] Brett: I, uh, I played a show at a place called Nightingales. I can’t remember what borough it was in. It was Queens or Brooklyn, I think. Um, and they told me the next day that they were closing, um, indefinitely. I don’t know if they ever came back, but as far as I know, at least in the year 2000, I played the last show at Nightingales with the

[00:07:31] Christina: Nightingales in Brooklyn, but I probably had it wrong. It’s probably, I’m sure it’s a completely different place, but there was a Nightingales in Brooklyn. But yeah, so, but I’m sure now that was probably a different spot, but congrats, Brett. You, you

[00:07:41] Brett: I, that can’t, that can’t be an uncommon name.

[00:07:44] Christina: No, it can’t be, but yeah, but

[00:07:46] Brett: probably a Nightingale’s in every city. Any other good stories, Erin?

[00:07:54] Erin: It ended, the tour ended unceremoniously in Cincinnati, where [00:08:00] undergraduate’s, uh, floor. And I had bruises on my legs for that, from that, for a while.

[00:08:08] Jeff: That’s ceremonious. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh

[00:08:12] Erin: bruising ceremony of Cincinnati

[00:08:14] Jeff: heh

[00:08:15] Erin: Um,

[00:08:16] Christina: it’s a new song.

[00:08:17] Brett: do you get groupies?

[00:08:24] Erin: I don’t, I don’t kiss and tell. Uh, not really. I, I think like, genital shame is, you know, I’m trans. Like, maybe some of the themes in genital shame, uh, are about, uh, being trans, though not really. Uh, but even Even that little bit of, of information does attract trans listeners, um, and there, the trans community is very incestuous, for sure.

[00:08:52] Erin: Um, but on the, on the road, I keep, I keep an arm’s length, really, in the green room, in the Greenpoint green room. Um, [00:09:00] but, yeah, yeah, not, not really. I, it’s funny, like, My, I am like quite silly in, in real life, but I, my music is not. So it’s, it’s a hard balance for me to strike. And it’s something I think about a lot.

[00:09:15] Erin: Um, like, just like what I say between songs, right? Like the sort of like crowd work you’re doing in, in Brooklyn, actually, uh, before. Our last song, Mike, my guitar player, broke a string and had to change strings on stage right before our last song. It’s just like the, the like, the most nerve wracking gig.

[00:09:38] Erin: Um, but like, so I had to vamp for five minutes and like my eyes rolled back in my head and I just like did bits and uh, like I think I even said like, this is like an anxiety dream in real life. Where like, you’re on stage, the lights are on you, many people are looking at you, and you’re expected to entertain, and you have nothing to [00:10:00] say.

[00:10:00] Erin: There is no script. Uh, but it worked out. Um,

[00:10:04] Jeff: Awesome.

[00:10:05] Brett: I used to, if that happened to us on stage, I used to start playing Crazy Train on bass only. Um, and people would be like, yeah, and then eventually the, the string would get fixed or the, the amp would get replaced. And I would stop because I can only get so far using just a bass on Crazy Train. But when you’re dealing with a bunch

[00:10:26] Erin: when he played an original. Yeah.

[00:10:29] Jeff: Heh heh heh. Oh

[00:10:30] Erin: Yeah, that’s it. That’s it for Tor, really.

[00:10:32] Brett: All right. That we are on, we’re trying to keep our, our total length down. So that’s, I feel like an appropriately sized tour report. Thank you.

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[00:12:21] Mental Health Corner

[00:12:21] Brett: Um, let’s do, uh, let’s do a relatively brief mental health check in.

[00:12:26] Christina: Okay, I’ll start. I’ll start, um, because I figured that Brett probably has things that he wants to go with. Um, unless Erin, unless Erin, unless you would like to start. Um, okay. So I just got back from South by Southwest. I was in Austin for six days, which, that’s a long time. Um, South by was good. I haven’t been in a very long time and I certainly haven’t been since the pandemic.

[00:12:49] Christina: The vibe was kind of weird. I’m not going to lie. Um, It’s big and I know it’s been big for a long time. Um, it was, but, but at [00:13:00] this point, like it, I think it’s like a few things, like they’re, they’re still kind of coming back to the pandemic, figuring out what it is. And then South by like, when you and I used to, did you ever go Brett?

[00:13:09] Christina: I can’t remember if you ever, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when we used to go like back in the day, like it started out as a music thing, then it expanded to a film thing, then interactive. It was like this tiny little part that quickly became like the biggest part of the whole show. Then all the marketers took over.

[00:13:23] Christina: And then they got like education and health and all these other like little offshoot things, whatever. Um, and, and I stopped going. Um, this time I feel like they don’t know, like it’s too big in, in my opinion to still try to be kind of maybe like through like one like 10 day period because it takes over the whole city and no longer just the downtown area.

[00:13:45] Christina: Like you have to like, you know, to go to certain screenings for certain movies, like you have to go like, far away, which sucks. Um, and, and, you know, certain installations and certain like events would be literally all over the place. I feel like, I don’t know, maybe [00:14:00] it’d be better if they used this as a time to, I’m not saying necessarily be smaller, I’m just saying like refocus.

[00:14:07] Christina: But it’s not my, not my thing, um, to, to make those decisions. GitHub had a, had a party there, um, which was in a, a, a fun location, like a great location, but also a hard to find location. But that was fun. Um, I saw some good panels. I saw some movies. I did karaoke sober. I mean, I got drunker as it went on, but I had to do it sober to begin with, which was the most horrifying thing in my life.

[00:14:30] Christina: So like, um, I, I have so much props for you, Erin, for like going out and doing like actual, like live things, because I realized I was like, Oh, I can’t sing for shit. Like I used to have a decent voice. I don’t anymore. And you’re never more aware of that than when you’re in a karaoke room and you’re sober.

[00:14:49] Brett: I don’t remember if it was South By or CES, but I was at a karaoke bar with the N Gadget crew and Tim Stephens did Ring of Fire and [00:15:00] it was so good.

[00:15:01] Christina: Oh, he would, of course, he’d be good.

[00:15:03] Brett: yeah, and then I immediately followed him trying to do Sweet Child of Mine after a sizable number of drinks, and it went, it, I, it was, I’m still embarrassed, I’m still mortified thinking about it.

[00:15:17] Christina: Yeah, I, um, I, I started out with, with, uh, with, with, um, Taylor Swift’s I Knew You Were Trouble, and it, it was, eh, again, like, I can do that song if I’m drunk, uh, or have a little more, you know, like, liquid courage. The lyric sheet was also slightly off for, for how they were doing, like, the, the pacing on some of the, the line hits, which, like, fucked me up.

[00:15:39] Christina: Um, once I had, like, To vodka cranberries. Uh, and I was still sober. I did Madonna’s Material, girl, that went much better. But then like, as the night went on, like it was fun, but just I guess my mental health, my mental health’s. Okay, I’m, I’m still a DHD as fuck right now. Um, but it was nice to be around people, which is good for me.[00:16:00]

[00:16:00] Christina: And, um, I was able to, uh, actually run into some former in Gadget people from way back in the day. Mostly they were at the Verge now. Um, when I was at, um. South by, uh, the first day when I got in, I wound up having drinks with a lot of people at The Verge and the editor in chief of Wired and, um, some other folks.

[00:16:18] Christina: So that was nice. But yeah, no, I mean, sorry, go on.

[00:16:22] Brett: I’m sorry, just while we’re still talking about South By, was it well attended? Because, uh, both Brian Albee and David Hamilton posted pictures of their plane into Austin and it was completely empty. at the very beginning of the conference.

[00:16:39] Christina: so that’s the interesting thing and that’s I think why I have a hard time kind of like grappling like grokking like What was the attendance because I think they were trying to say, oh, you know There’s a hundred thousand people or something and and I wouldn’t doubt that But because it’s spread all over the place, I don’t know.

[00:16:55] Christina: Like I got in on Thursday night and my, I wasn’t able [00:17:00] to get a direct flight. So that says it right there. Um, and I, and I only got in as late, as early as I did because it was 800 cheaper for me to stay in a hotel longer,

[00:17:10] Brett: Mm

[00:17:11] Christina: which, okay. Um, so it was one of those things that was like, well, you know, if it’s going to be cheaper for me to stay two extra nights, I’m fine.

[00:17:21] Christina: Um, but, um, some panels were empty, some were full, like OpenAI did. Um, uh, they’re, they’re, um, uh, the, the guy who runs product for ChatGPT, who was very good. Like they should put him on stage a lot more because he was very reassuring and, and a very good speaker and like nice. And, and he was great. Like that was in one of the main ballrooms in the commission center.

[00:17:44] Christina: And it was not only packed, there was like overflow. So, and that was on, um, Um, Monday, so I think it depends. I think, I think, uh, busier over the weekend. But, but it’s hard because some of the panels were empty, some things were totally full. [00:18:00] Um, screenings for movies, because I had a platinum badge and I wanted to go to movies, was kind of a pain.

[00:18:06] Christina: If you were able to get like, they had like, kind of like an express pass. everything, kind of like the, the Disney genie pass where as long as you requested, you know, at a certain time, you could, you know, kind of guarantee your spot, but that was kind of hit or miss. So then you have to like show up and basically like, like an hour before the screening starts to get your little ticket and then wait around.

[00:18:26] Christina: And like, that’s fine. Well, but the thing is, is that like, it depends on what theater you’re at. Like if you’re at the normal Alamo draft house on Lamar, then like, okay, whatever. But like if you’re, you know, trying to do other things, it just sort of like, kind of fucks up, like. your plans to get around. But anyway, my self, my, my, my mental health update is that I’m still really ADHD.

[00:18:46] Christina: Um, but it was really nice to be around people and I had some good conversations with colleagues. So that’s it.

[00:18:51] Brett: Nice. All right. Um, I, I can go next. So, I am going on over three months now [00:19:00] without sleeping. Um, I am, um, I cannot remember at this point what it feels like to be well rested. I do not think I am manic. I do not think I’m depressed. I’m actually, considering I’m getting like three hours of sleep a night on average, um, I’m actually functioning really well.

[00:19:20] Brett: My job suddenly remembered I existed. Um, and, and I have been, I have been like inundated with work, which turns out, like, I actually enjoy working. Um, and it was, it was getting pretty scary when, for like months when no one was giving me assignments and I was just, Existing and had like nothing to report on my quarterly report.

[00:19:45] Brett: And, um, so, but I’m dealing with it and I’m dealing with life. I’m keeping the house clean. I’m cooking dinners. Um, I don’t understand how I’m doing this, which makes me think, wow, did I become like type one bipolar? Uh, [00:20:00] is something else going on? Um, I have tried three FDA approved insomnia treatments at this point.

[00:20:06] Brett: I’m. Starting Gabapentin today to see if it works. Um, I have asked my primary care physician for a referral to sleep medicine, um, to do like a sleep study and try to figure out what’s going on because I’m, I don’t have. Anxiety. I’m not having racing thoughts. I just cannot fall asleep. I fall asleep within 15 minutes of laying down.

[00:20:33] Brett: I wake up an hour later and then it’s shot for the night. Um, and I, I, this has never happened to me before. Like, yeah, I’m bipolar. I’ve had manic episodes. My manic episodes last at most a week and this is three months and I don’t know what the fuck’s going on, but it’s killing me.

[00:20:52] Jeff: And then it just like, and then it just like compounds, right? Because like the thing you need to be well asleep

[00:20:57] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. It’s killing me. [00:21:00] It’s killing me.

[00:21:00] Jeff: Maybe you shouldn’t have named your podcast Overtired.

[00:21:03] Brett: Oh, you think I jinxed it?

[00:21:05] Christina: mean, that was, I think that was my bad, actually. I think that was actually my fault, but, um,

[00:21:14] Jeff: to the you was the

[00:21:15] Brett: I remember, I remember this conversation in an elevator

[00:21:18] Christina: an elevator. Yeah.

[00:21:20] Brett: and I don’t remember who said it first, but we were both a hundred percent

[00:21:23] Christina: No, we were both a hundred percent. And yeah, I can’t remember who said it either. I think that one of us, I think said, uh, just really overtired. And then I think we were like, that’s it. That’s the name of the pod. Um, so it was definitely like a group thing, but I don’t remember exactly which one of us. Yeah.

[00:21:37] Christina: Cause we were in an elevator at the Twitter building. Um,

[00:21:41] Jeff: X. It’s called X.

[00:21:43] Christina: No, it was called Twitter then. And that’s what we’re still going to call

[00:21:45] Jeff: I just, I know I just like to troll.

[00:21:47] Christina: I, I, I know, but I like to troll back. Um, so yeah. Um,

[00:21:52] Jeff: me.

[00:21:55] Christina: No, get a, get a sleep study for sure, Brett. Cause that’s not, um, so do you [00:22:00] know definitively that you’re only like, have you like worn an Apple watch or anything?

[00:22:03] Christina: Like, do you know like how much REM sleep you’re getting or anything like that?

[00:22:06] Brett: I do wear an Apple Watch. Um, I have not actually bothered looking at stats because I look at the clock all night long. Um, like I’m not up working like

[00:22:16] Christina: No, no, no, no, no. I get that. No, but I was, what I was saying though, it’s useful. Um, if you wear your Apple watch at night, like I don’t because I baby rest. So I have to wear like the small Apple watch, which means the battery life is bullshit. And if I have to like, It’s just dumb to like sleep in it, but for me, um, and I’m not one of those people who’s yet at the point where I’m like, yeah, I’ll buy a watch to sleep in.

[00:22:36] Christina: No, I can get like a Fitbit or something. I think they still make Fitbits, but they can, um, but if you wear it, like, if you look at the stats, like it’ll actually be able to, to tell you like what amount of

[00:22:44] Brett: deep sleep

[00:22:45] Christina: sleep is happening. And, and so, um, cause that, that’ll help with the sleep study. Cause it’s bad that you’re only getting three hours of sleep, but

[00:22:54] Brett: I’m, I’m hitting, I’m hitting REM. I will have two to three [00:23:00] crazy dreams. In a night with only like a total of three hours of actual sleep. So like I fall asleep, have a crazy dream, wake up, stay awake for half an hour to an hour, and then fall asleep and have another crazy dream. And they’re so memorable.

[00:23:18] Brett: Like I remember all these dreams and I can sit and bore my partner to death with the bizarre details.

[00:23:25] Jeff: but it wasn’t you.

[00:23:27] Brett: It was you, but it didn’t look like you, but I knew it was you. And yeah, it, it was. So there’s this artist named David Usher. Uh, he was in Moist, um, but he’s an amazing solo artist. And in the U S you can’t stream anything before like the live version of the Mile End Sessions.

[00:23:49] Brett: And he has three albums before that, that I absolutely adored and can no longer find and I,

[00:23:57] Christina: his name? I’ll find it for you.

[00:23:58] Brett: David Usher, [00:24:00] I’ve looked on. Torrent sites? I cannot find it. If you find it, let me know.

[00:24:04] Christina: Yeah, I, I, I’m, I’m in private music trackers, so just gimme a

[00:24:07] Brett: okay. Um, and,

[00:24:09] Jeff: music track? Oh, we can

[00:24:10] Brett: well, so what I ended up doing, I ended up ordering actual musical CDs that I’m going to find a way to rip to MP3s so I can do this.

[00:24:22] Brett: But, I had this dream that I met this girl who, like, like, like, as was mentioned, was Elle, but wasn’t Elle. So, And they agreed to, they agreed to sing the discography with me from memory while we were having sex. And it was the weird, like

[00:24:41] Jeff: Lights on, lights off.

[00:24:43] Brett: I woke up singing lyrics to like some of my favorite David Usher songs a couple of times and then fell back into this dream where I was just singing David Usher songs with a girl while we were having what I will say was unsuccessful sex. It was, it was [00:25:00] very, it was, it was laborious,

[00:25:02] Erin: Well,

[00:25:03] Christina: so, so what, what, uh, what years do you need? ’cause I’m seeing, now I’m seeing strange words from 2007. Uh, if God had gers.

[00:25:09] Brett: Yeah. God have curse and morning orbit.

[00:25:12] Christina: Okay. Um, uh, what are hallucinations from 2003?

[00:25:16] Brett: What?

[00:25:17] Christina: There? There, there’s an album called Hallucinations.

[00:25:19] Brett: I’ve never heard that

[00:25:20] Jeff: Welcome to our new segment. Find my music.

[00:25:23] Christina: yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay, well I’ll grab that for you.

[00:25:25] Brett: Yeah. Send me, send me everything you can

[00:25:27] Christina: There’s also little, little songs from 1998.

[00:25:30] Brett: Oh, oh my God. Little songs was what got me into David Usher. I haven’t been able to find that anywhere.

[00:25:37] Christina: Oh yeah, no, I found them all instantly. Yeah, I got

[00:25:39] Brett: my god. Save, save me. That’s amazing.

[00:25:41] Christina: Yeah, I got, I got

[00:25:42] Brett: made my day. I’ll shut up for the rest

[00:25:44] Jeff: We call him, we call him White Usher in Minneapolis.

[00:25:50] Christina: Other usher.

[00:25:51] Brett: Well, if you, if you search like Pirate Bay for David Usher, you get a bunch of stuff from David Guerra featuring Usher.[00:26:00]

[00:26:00] Christina: Usher, that makes sense.

[00:26:01] Brett: Oh

[00:26:02] Christina: Yeah. So, um, uh, I don’t know how much we want to, you know, just fuck it. Um, I’ve been part of these communities for two decades at this point. So there used to be a music tracker called Oink, uh, the Pink Palace, which was a private music tracker that was

[00:26:16] Jeff: Wait, is it like Oink colon the Pink Palace?

[00:26:18] Christina: Well, it was known as the Pink Palace, but it was called Oink, O I N K. And, um, and like it had a pig as its mascot. It was great. It was genuinely the best music site. Trent Reznor was a member. In fact, we talked about it, um, uh, during one of the times that I interviewed him, the Apple people were really not pleased with that.

[00:26:37] Christina: Um, but whatever. And uh, um, that was shut down by the feds in like nine months. Um, and then, um, uh, kind of a hydra of that called WhatCD launched, and that was great. And then WhatCD was shut down by various feds, um, this is all overseas and these people were dumb enough to host things in the United [00:27:00] States, um, in 2016.

[00:27:03] Christina: And then two, uh. Um, Music Trackers came out of the ashes of WhatCD, Redacted, and Orpheus, and I’m members of both. So, um, oh, uh, Redacted tends to have more stuff, but Orpheus tends to, um, have a pretty good mirror. So between the two of them, like, I can find most things. And then the, the great thing about them, especially, uh, Redacted, is that they have like these bounties where if you will do basically like what Brett was going to do, which, you know, buy the CDs and like rip them.

[00:27:33] Christina: Or if you buy the vinyl and will find like, like things that people really want, you know, people will give you like, um, amazing amounts of like upload credit and things like that. So, um, like,

[00:27:44] Brett: the BBS days all

[00:27:45] Christina: Oh, completely. It’s completely BBS days, but, but again, like,

[00:27:48] Brett: credit. I’ve heard, I haven’t heard upload credit for

[00:27:50] Christina: well, yeah, cause you have to maintain a ratio, but the ratio you can maintain as long as you just seed shit forever.

[00:27:55] Christina: But like, um, so if you have a seed box or if you have an always on computer, you’re fine, but yeah, no, all [00:28:00] of this is a throwback to like, you know, like literally when I was in college. So. Um, but yeah, long story short, um, there are, if it’s been physically made available, if there’s like a rip on it, I can usually find it, and I need to just get off my ass and rip one of my Taylor Swift vinyls because somebody wants a certain version off of one of those songs.

[00:28:20] Christina: My name is

[00:28:20] Brett: Upload credits.

[00:28:22] Christina: Dude, they’re willing, they’re, they’re, they’re willing to give, like, no, they’re willing to give like a terabyte of credit upload. Like I would never have to like seed anything ever again in my entire life. So I just have to actually get off my ass and rip that vinyl. Um, but yeah.

[00:28:35] Christina: Um, I will, I will get you the David Usher. Thanks.

[00:28:38] Brett: The last time I dealt with ratios and upload credits, it was still measured in kilobytes. I, Jeff, do you know, do you know, were you on BBS’s

[00:28:49] Jeff: Yeah, yeah, but like at the, like in 1994 for a minute, and then I just didn’t have a computer for a long time,

[00:28:57] Brett: And I’m assuming Erin, [00:29:00] you might be young enough that you have no idea what we’re talking about.

[00:29:03] Erin: correct. I apologize.

[00:29:05] Christina: No. Yeah, no. So this.

[00:29:06] Brett: avoid, we’ll avoid going into depth then because

[00:29:08] Christina: Yeah, no, yeah, I mean, I never used BBSes, but this was like a thing like with BitTorrent for private communities where like, to ensure that people don’t just like, like download and run, you have to make sure that you up, you seed a certain amount

[00:29:21] Brett: a seed. You got a seed.

[00:29:24] Christina: And that’s still the case on private communities, like I’m currently

[00:29:28] Brett: What is, what is the, what is the polite number of days, months to seed a download before you remove it?

[00:29:38] Christina: It depends on the tracker. Um, so, like, some places will make you seed for, like, two weeks. Like, uh, uh, uh, an audiobook, like, an audiobook tracker that I’m part of, like, makes you seed for two weeks. Some things, it’s kind of unclear, like, they kind of, like, really want you to seed forever, and so, you really want a seed box.

[00:29:56] Christina: Um, which, what that is, for, for, for the listeners who are either too young or too old, [00:30:00] it’s just a server. That host your torrent files, usually on, um, a box, uh, from some VPS, from some sketchy VPS, um, that’s probably hosted by a Hetzner or OVH in Europe. And then you remotely, like, use your torrent client that way.

[00:30:15] Christina: And um, yeah. And that way, like, if it gets nuked or whatever, you’re Well, okay, fine. Um, but, um, that way you can just kind of cede forever without having to have your computer connected. Um, but yeah.

[00:30:26] Jeff: Christina, what do you charge for a private consult? Because I want a private consult.

[00:30:34] Christina: Yeah, we’ll do it. Yeah,

[00:30:35] Jeff: I’m only half the way to what you’re describing in my life, so,

[00:30:39] Christina: Yeah, no, we can totally talk about it. And, um, honestly, a lot of these things are available through, uh, through the, the, the one technology that will never die, which is Usenet. So.

[00:30:48] Jeff: mm hmm, mm hmm,

[00:30:50] Brett: All right. So, moving along, and you’re allowed to opt out if you want to, Jeff or Erin, you want to give us a mental health update?

[00:30:59] Jeff: Erin, you go [00:31:00] ahead. If you want to go, go ahead, because mine might transition back into a question I have for you about your tour.

[00:31:05] Erin: Oh, okay, that’d be wonderful, thanks. Um, I went through a pretty bad breakup in August, and I’m still sort of dealing with that. Uh, pretty depress y, and my brain is lizard y enough, such that if The sun is out, equals sign, I am happy. If it is not out, and you live in Pittsburgh, I am not happy. Uh, and unfortunately I live in Pittsburgh, and so that’s been rough.

[00:31:34] Erin: Um, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about singledom, and um, how you’re sort of unconsciously or subconsciously treated in a friend group or in a community when you’re single. That like, there is a kind of invisibility. you, you have as a single person and that, [00:32:00] that invisibility is like really lonely. Um, I have as many friends as I did when I was in that relationship, but it just like without exclusion, like I Rolodex all of my, I’m old enough to say Rolodex, I guess.

[00:32:15] Erin: I Rolodex all of my Friends, mentally, and I’m like, we’re nominally still buds, nominally still buds, nothing’s changed, except it has. And so why? And it’s maybe a little reductive of me to be like, well, I’m single now. Um, but I do think the correlation is there and it’s just like, been bumming me out in a way that like, my, my subconscious.

[00:32:41] Erin: will get a like Victorian style, uh, plate and put like heaps of resentment on it and be like, Hey, how good does this look? And I’m like, damn, I’m like licking my lip, like pretty, pretty good. Uh, because [00:33:00] You know, I, I don’t know. It’s, it’s really, it feels, just to close the loop on this, it feels like, uh, a sort of defeat to reach out to these people and be like, hey, I’m kind of hurting.

[00:33:12] Erin: I’m, I’m a little bummed that you haven’t reached out. Like, have I wronged you? Like, what’s going on? I’m really lonely. That doing that feels either humiliating or, or, or something. Like I should, I should rise above that. I should hold out. But what is holding out getting me? Nothing. More resentment. So, I’m trying to be better about that.

[00:33:33] Brett: to reach out like that? Or can you just reach out and say, Hey, I haven’t heard from you in a while. What’s up? And then like, let it develop because yeah, like I would feel just as, I would feel just as weird as you’re talking about. If I was like, Hey, I haven’t heard from you and it hurt my feelings.

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