311: Like It’s 1999

Overtired 311

[00:00:00] Christina:

[00:00:02] So how’s the weather?

[00:00:02] Christina: You are listening to Overtired. I am Christina Warren. Joined as always by Brett Terpstra and Jeff Severns Gunztel Gentlemen, how are you doing this? Uh, you know, Christmas Eve? Eve,

[00:00:18] Brett: So cold.

[00:00:19] Jeff: I’m lucky to be alive

[00:00:23] Brett: Yeah. Like I, I, I know, I know Christina’s got unseasonably cold weather in, uh, you’re in Atlanta, right?

[00:00:30] Christina: I am in Atlanta. Yes.

[00:00:32] Brett: And it’s like 12 degrees.

[00:00:33] Christina: It’s like 12 degrees.

[00:00:35] Brett: Our, we, when it gets this cold in Minnesota, we, we go by wind chill. Um, because that’s all that matters, how fast we will your face freeze when you step out the door. Uh, we, we have,

[00:00:46] Jeff: Fuck that. How fast will you die if you step out the

[00:00:50] Brett: Jeff and I have negative 30 degrees right now.

[00:00:54] Jeff: It’s beautiful.

[00:00:54] Brett: It’s crazy.

[00:00:55] Christina: So, so,

[00:00:56] Brett: warm up today. It’s gonna get up to negative 26. [00:01:00] So looking forward to that.

[00:01:03] Christina: it’s only the windshield here is only five degrees. So, uh, or, or, or is is, is actually, sorry. I was gonna say is actually five degrees. So, so we’re not as bad as you.

[00:01:12] Jeff: but that’s

[00:01:12] Brett: frigid. Nonetheless. That is still, that’s still frostbite in about 15 minutes.

[00:01:18] Jeff: What I

[00:01:19] Christina: we’re not used to this, this sort of, you know, weather,

[00:01:23] Brett: Yeah. Yeah, that’s what Jeff was saying. Like, we, us Midwesterners, we, we talk about like our, our, our cold and our snow and everything, but we have the infrastructure to deal

[00:01:36] Jeff: the constitutions.

[00:01:37] Brett: have, we have years of dealing with this. We’re, yeah, we’re, we’re used to it. This is almost expected for us, but like the rest of the country now is seeing whether that they’re not prepared

[00:01:48] Jeff: It’s scary.

[00:01:49] Christina: Yeah. So I left, I left Seattle on, um, what day was it? Sunday. No, Tuesday left Seattle on Tuesday and, uh, today’s Friday. And, [00:02:00] uh, it was like snowing, like right as I was leaving it to the point that our flight was delayed about half an hour because it started snowing fairly heavily and then we, they had to de-ice the, the tarmac had let us get off and whatnot.

[00:02:12] Christina: But even just the, the, the light, you know, pattern of snow is just so, such a weird comparison to snow in New York where, you know, the streets are salted and people are used to it. And the way that they design the roads and stuff are usually so that like, if it snows, you’ll be able to walk on it. Okay. And, you know, I have, I’m like, I have this cobblestone type of walkway outside of my apartment complex on this like one way street, which is in no way conducive cuz this has happened before when it snowed or, or iced over.

[00:02:48] Christina: Like you could fall on your ass and, and, and really hurt yourself. Oh yeah. Or. Like the University of Washington, this girl slipped on black ice and died, and they didn’t have any [00:03:00] signs up. So her parents sued the fuck out of the school, and I hope they got every single dollar in the universe because that was 100% the university’s fault.

[00:03:08] Christina: Like, fuck them for real, for not having signs up or anything when there was black ice. Also, Seattle, I’m gonna bitch about this for a second. They refuse to ice the, the sidewalks and it’s, it now it snows. They’re usually in February. And, and, and

[00:03:22] Brett: do you mean salt? The sidewalks?

[00:03:24] Christina: Yeah, they refuse to,

[00:03:25] Brett: You said ice the sidewalks. I feel like

[00:03:28] Christina: sorry, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So sorry.

[00:03:29] Christina: They refuse to salt the sidewalks. Wh the ice. Sorry about that. So they refuse to ice, uh, salt the, the sidewalks when, when they’re iced over because they’re worried about the fucking fish. And like, here’s the thing, for one or two days out of the year, Fuck the fish. Dude, I don’t give a shit. People are dying.

[00:03:48] Christina: No, when, when, when, when? When a girl, when a girl at UDub dies because they don’t have the proper way to, you know, de-ice stuff. Like, fuck that. Like, honestly, [00:04:00] like fuck that forever. I, I, I, I, like, I, the, the environmentalists can come after me, but the rest of the freaking country that also has big fishing things has figured out how to get rid of ice.

[00:04:10] Christina: I mean, again, Midwest, you know, you’ve got a lot of lakes and stuff there. New York, the whole, like East coast, they ice shit. So like, fuck the fish, man. Like they will adapt or it’ll be three days and it’s not the end of the world, but maybe like, maybe 19 year old girls won’t slip and die.

[00:04:27] Jeff: This is

[00:04:27] Brett: I finally bought crampons this year. Do you know what crampons.

[00:04:31] Christina: I do, I do.

[00:04:32] Jeff: so much. That sounds like tampon

[00:04:33] Brett: I know it’s, it’s a weird word, cramp and tampon and like, it just has all these like weird associations. But for anyone who doesn’t know crampons are, uh, cleats, metal cleats for your shoes. And, and I got some that are, they’re rubber and I, you just slip ’em on as if they were rubbers, not like condoms, but like, I know it’s so many.

[00:04:56] Jeff: It’s a really problematic topic.

[00:04:57] Brett: Yeah, but like I can, I can [00:05:00] flip ’em on before I go for a walk with the dog who now refuses, like, we get her all suited up, we get socks and boots on her. We put two coats on her, get her all bundled up, get her out into the middle of the driveway. We get her out to the driveway and she just plants, she plants her her paws and refuses she’ll.

[00:05:18] Brett: Like she does a hard look away when she doesn’t wanna, when she wants to let you know, like she does not like what’s happening. She hard turns away from you. And she does that in the middle of the driveway. And I’ve tried like just getting her, just getting her to walk a little ways cuz she won’t poop unless she walks.

[00:05:36] Brett: So if she doesn’t walk, then she just barks all night and like goes outside for like 30 seconds and then she’s like, no, I gotta let me back in. So I’ve been trying and we, it takes like 10 minutes to get her all suited up and to get my park on and everything. And then she just plants her feet in the driveway and will not get, she won’t walk.

[00:05:56] Brett: It’s uh, I get it. I do, but it’s, [00:06:00] it’s been frustrating last night to try to get her moving so she would poop. I went to the basement and Elle stood upstairs and we called her back and forth and gave her a treat on each end just to get her to run up and down the stairs, uh, to try to try to move that poop out.

[00:06:16] Brett: And, and she did it about four times and then she just, I called her and instead she just ran to the couch and just like buried her head in the couch. She’s like, I’m done with this

[00:06:27] Christina: She’s like, I’m, I’m not. She’s like, I don’t like the cold. I’m not into this. I was not, I was not, I was

[00:06:32] Brett: into the stair climber

[00:06:33] Jeff: You are reminding me of all of my friends who have this experience but then also are like, fuck no kids . It’s like really? It’s a lot easier.

[00:06:44] Christina: See? And I’m like, fuck no to both, right? I’m like, I’m, I’m like, I’m like, I, I, I love animals and, uh, uh, some, some kids are cute, but I’m like, absolutely not.

[00:06:55] Brett: Yeah, I could, I could honestly live without the dog. Um, [00:07:00] I, I

[00:07:00] Jeff: I was gonna ask you, you’ve got both and like, cuz my thought when I hear that also is like, that’s why cats, but you’ve got both so you

[00:07:06] Brett: Yeah, no, I, I’m, I’m a cat guy. Uh, it’s el I had Emma the pit bull and I loved her dearly and she gave me so much love, like she was worth. And she, she really just, other than being dog aggressive, um, like she was fine with any person, especially love children and just like would curl up with you and love you.

[00:07:28] Brett: And she was not a pain in the ass. But Lulu, who, who is Elle’s dog? I mean our dog now we’ve been together long enough. I have to take some ownership of this dog. But, um, but Lulu does, she, she doesn’t lick. Like I love when dogs lick my face. I know a lot of people fucking hate that. Uh,

[00:07:48] Jeff: this, are we leading into your, um, rocket money ad

[00:07:51] Brett: But, but it, it, that feels like love to me.

[00:07:54] Brett: And, uh, and, and she doesn’t do that. And she’s very just [00:08:00] needy and prissy and also dog aggressive. Like we can’t take her to the dog part cuz she’ll fight everybody. And I don’t, it’s just not as much fun as Emma. And if I had to choose right now, I would 100% take my cats.

[00:08:15] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. No, we, I was, I was gonna say I’m a dog person, but, but part of that is I’ve, I, well, I’m allergic to cats, not super, super bad. Um, my dad is like, incredibly allergic and like, like, like walks into a house where the cat might not even be there, but if there’s any whiff of the, the dander at all, then his face and his fingers and his glands and everything starts swelling.

[00:08:43] Christina: And, um, uh, like, like, uh, you know, probably be the thing. Or he could probably go into like a, uh, um,

[00:08:50] Brett: Anaphylactic shock. Yeah.

[00:08:52] Christina: Yeah, if you were around too many cats, uh, honestly, which makes it funnier that like the one time our family did have a cat is because my [00:09:00] sister wanted one. This is before I was born. And, uh, and he, he let her have a cat and then I guess she, you know, like everybody realized that it was just not for the best and, and something happened to that cat.

[00:09:10] Christina: I don’t know. But, um, so I grew up with dogs, so I, I’m not as comfortable with cats even putting some of the allergy stuff aside, which for me is mostly just like itchy eyes. Um,

[00:09:22] Brett: tried hairless Cats?

[00:09:25] Christina: but again, I’ve never been around cats that much. So cuz my, my whole thing too is that like, I, I think that personality-wise, there are parts of me that would appeal to me, and then there are parts to me where I’m like, oh shit, no, they jump on things and they get into stuff and like,

[00:09:40] Brett: love it.

[00:09:42] Christina: and I’m like, and I’m like, oh hell no, like,

[00:09:45] Brett: I love watching a cat get up on a bookshelf and just like test things to see what will move. And as soon as something budges a little, knock it on the floor, like I get that, like I that like, I’m like, I feel you man. I get that . So if it moves, knock [00:10:00] it on the floor.

[00:10:01] Christina: Yeah, and, and then, then I’m like, I’m like, what the fuck are you doing, man? I just spent all this time organizing this or like say outta my jewelry box. So.

[00:10:09] Brett: that’s what you get for organizing. I I get it. I get it.

[00:10:14] Jeff: That’s why I want, want a monkey.

[00:10:15] Mental Health Corner… Christmas is coming

[00:10:15] Brett: so for the mental health corner, I think we should mix it up with kind of Christmas plans. Um, we got a couple days till Christmas. I know all of us have very different situations when it comes to Christmas, so, uh, for me, my Christmas plans are pretty tied to my mental health right now, , and, and so I figured we could combine the two.

[00:10:37] Brett: But, uh, Christina, what are. What are your Christmas slash mental health plans?

[00:10:43] Christina: So I’m with my family in Atlanta. I had Covid last week. Um, and that was man, like, so my big, my big kind of takeaway on that was, um, I was just really tired. Uh, but it knocked my, knocked me on my [00:11:00] ass. Like it really, really did. I, I, I thought that I had it, uh, in January and I might have, but in that case it was not like this, like this, whatever, this strain, whatever this latest strain is for me.

[00:11:13] Christina: I had a, and here’s the thing, I wouldn’t have even known that I was positive, but my mom unknowingly had it. So did my dad. And I was like, well, I’m just gonna take a test. And my first test was positive, but I’d messed it up. And so I was like, well, I cured the test. Not a big deal. I took another one. I waited.

[00:11:31] Christina: I thought I’d waited the 15 minutes and it was negative. I was like, okay, cool. I’m fine. And then two days later I was looking at the bathroom counter. and I looked at the test again and I realized there was a very faint red line. I was like, oh shit. And then I took a test again and I was immediately red.

[00:11:48] Christina: And then Grant, I got it from him because he was sick first. And uh, and, and he was immediately positive and, and he was negative. I think as of like Sunday that I think it took me until, or Saturday it took me into like [00:12:00] Monday to be negative, but I was just like knocked on my ass for that. So, um, my parents likewise have been sick and so Christmas here are slash holiday plan.

[00:12:09] Christina: So I’m in Atlanta, um, with my family, but um, everybody’s just feels like a week behind because we all got knocked on our asses for a week. So, um, but the good news is, is this’ll be, not baby’s first Christmas, but it’ll be the first one that he is a little more aware of, cuz.

[00:12:28] Brett: for sure.

[00:12:30] Christina: Right. Cause he’s, he’s 20 months now, so, um, we have a, a Thomas, the, the tank Engine right on toy coming today that also has a track so he can both ride on it, um, like, you know, through the house or through the backyard.

[00:12:44] Christina: But there’s also like a circular track that it goes around too. So

[00:12:49] Jeff: is what it’s like when you get a job.

[00:12:52] Christina: Exactly. So, so, because, well, he really likes trains. He really likes trains and I wanted to get him a car of some sort. And then I saw this [00:13:00] Thomas thing and I was like, oh, this is actually even better because he is so little.

[00:13:02] Christina: Um, you know, like maybe get him the G wagon for a second birthday, but, and this way he can like, use it indoors in outdoors. So now that the fun part will be, you know, getting him all kinds of toys and stuff and in watching that unfold, cuz the rest of us have just been kind of on our asses. So that’s me.

[00:13:24] Brett: All right.

[00:13:27] Jeff: Uh, you know, I don’t have a lot of emotional, uh, sort of. I don’t know what chaos or trauma or anything around Christmas, um, like so many people I know and love do. Um, so we, every other year we stay home and, uh, on the flip side, we go to Indianapolis, where my wife’s parents are. And, um, I can just say I just love staying home.

[00:13:53] Jeff: I actually love being in her parents’ house. They’re great, they’re wonderful people. Um, fun to be around. Uh, but [00:14:00] I just love to be home. I, um, I, uh, I come from on one side, a gigantic family, gigantic Catholic family. So we’ll go there for Christmas Eve and there’ll be about 45 people there. Um, and I find that exhausting.

[00:14:13] Jeff: Uh, it’s fine. It’s not terrible, but it’s exhausting. Uh, but I love a quiet Christmas morning. That’s like my favorite thing in the world. Uh, and, and we get that, get that all to ourselves this time. So it’s always hard to say out loud cuz I, it’s like, Hey everybody, listen. I like coming there. I like coming here, but I love, love being alone with my family on Christmas Eve.

[00:14:35] Jeff: So I’m looking forward to that. Um, and, uh, yeah, I don’t know. That’s, I don’t have mu I don’t have much to report on that front.

[00:14:43] Brett: All right. Okay. Um, I, uh, my, my whole family is in town, like my brother, my sister, my parents, all of their children. Um, and I am, my brother’s been [00:15:00] in town since like Tuesday and I haven’t seen him yet cuz I, I’m not comfortable around my brother. Um, I like his kids, but I don’t need to see a lot of them. Um, I, I have a lot of.

[00:15:15] Brett: Weird emotions around family in general. Um, I like my sister and her family better, but still not like, Hey, let’s all go out and get manicures or whatever. I don’t know what people do with their families. Um,

[00:15:33] Jeff: pedicure for sure.

[00:15:35] Christina: They, they, well, well, if, if you’re my family, my, my, me and my mom and my dad watched Little Lo Lord, um, uh, Fon Roy, uh, Fale Roy, whatever the movie is called last night. So, and then we’re watching Christmas movies all day today. So that’s, that, that’s what we do. But I, I, I feel you, you’re, you’re, you’re not wanting to, you, you like your sister, but that’s not your,

[00:15:56] Brett: we don’t have any tradition of watching movies. We will, [00:16:00] I will go over there Christmas morning and I will spend probably two, two and a half hours. Being inundated by small children and, uh, dealing with my brother’s sarcasm and judgemental nature, and my mom’s, uh, tactless interrogations.

[00:16:21] Brett: And, uh, it’ll be, it’ll be fun. Um, my girlfriend of like six years now, um, she, her parents are both deceased. Um, and, and speaking of Textless interrogations, my mom, like the first time she hung out with Al alone , she’s like, so at what age, what age were you orphaned,

[00:16:45] Christina: Oh my God.

[00:16:46] Brett: the weird, the weirdest way to ask that question.

[00:16:50] Jeff: Oh my

[00:16:51] Christina: one of the, also like one of the shittiest I have to say, like, just, come on mom. I’ve read like, what the fuck?

[00:16:58] Brett: is her mom died on like [00:17:00] Christmas Eve. So for her and her sister, it is.

[00:17:04] Christina: this is, yeah,

[00:17:05] Brett: Especially for her sister. Her sister dealt with that. Like Elle was the one who was like hospice care for their mother. Um, she, she had a lot more of a chance, I think to um, come to terms with and grieve like in the moment.

[00:17:24] Brett: Uh, whereas her sister was a little more removed from it. And, and Christmas always fucks her up a little bit. Um, it’s, it’s gotten better, but, uh, but I don’t have any in-laws to visit, you know, I only have my own family that I have a very contentious relationship with,

[00:17:42] Christina: right now. How now, how, how, how does L deal with being around your family? Because I know like

[00:17:48] Brett: she does her best, but my parents make her angry cuz she can see. In our interaction, she can see how they fuck me up. Like she can see, she can see like [00:18:00] all the things that are painful for me. Like she sees where they come from and she’s very cordial, friendly. Um, she makes a real effort cuz she knows my relationship with my parents as important to me to some extent.

[00:18:14] Brett: Um, and she will make the effort to, to be friends with them, but we will never go out of our way to hang out with them

[00:18:25] Christina: No, no, that, no, that makes total sense. Yeah, cuz so my grant and I, it’s sort of a similar thing. I mean, not that his, uh, well only his father is, has passed now. Um, his mom as, as I talked with the last episode I was on, um, is not doing well, although, um, they are all together right now, um, in, in Florida. Um, but, um, I grew up like, not to say my, my family life was perfect because it certainly was not, but it’s a lot more like normal and, uh, or not normal, but like stereotypical.

[00:18:57] Christina: Like, I, I don’t think anybody has normal families, but like I have a much [00:19:00] more stereotypical like, you know, two parent household thing and whatnot and, and, and my parents, like everybody’s parents fucks them up like mine, to be honest. Like, you know,

[00:19:08] Brett: That’s course of life. Sure.

[00:19:10] Christina: other things fucked me up more than my parents did.

[00:19:13] Christina: But, um, so for him it, it, it’s like this, this weird thing where like if I, when I have to like be around like his family, sometimes it’s the same thing where like I see all of his traumas and stuff and I’m like, okay, how do we, how do we deal with this? You know? And, and, and wanting to be supportive. But so I, I totally understand.

[00:19:31] Christina: Like, um, and then, uh, yeah, and I, but I definitely understand too the experience. Like my immediate family, I don’t have this, but, so my extended family, I definitely are similar to, to, to you Brett, where I’m just like, I don’t care anything. Like, at least with some of them anyway, I’m like, I need to hold my tongue or, and this might be different from you cuz like, you do want, like a relationship with, with your family.

[00:19:56] Christina: There’s some members of my extended family who I do not give a shit. I

[00:19:59] Brett: Oh [00:20:00] my, my entire mom’s side of the family I haven’t talked to in 20 years.

[00:20:04] Christina: But like, but, but I have to, but, but, but I have to see them sometimes and then I have to like, you know, put on the face and I’m just gonna but it, but internally I’m like, you literally mean nothing to me. So this is awkward now because they’re are judgmental and, you know, like the type of people who

[00:20:21] Brett: Yep.

[00:20:22] Christina: make, make it difficult through that process.

[00:20:24] Christina: I’m just, I’m just fortunate enough that, that my, uh, my parents are, are, are good. And my mom has even stopped asking me if I wanna go to church. So,

[00:20:33] Brett: My two

[00:20:33] Christina: I appreci.

[00:20:36] Brett: they, they, for years, they’re like, do you want to at least come to like Christmas Eve service with us? And I did one year, probably like 15 years ago, I went to church with them and I walked out. Like it was so uncomfortable for me to be in an evangelical free church. And, and the way it made me feel was so awkward that I had to leave, um, , [00:21:00] I got angry.

[00:21:02] Brett: Um, but yeah. Uh, I hit a soc, I hit like, I have a social time limit. Um, I’m really good and gregarious, even for about half an hour. Um, if I am forced into social situations for more than an hour, I get sarcastic and a little bit grumpy and mean. Um, and then the case of my family, that means like lashing out and saying like, intentionally saying of offensive things, uh, to try to like push buttons.

[00:21:32] Brett: And that do, like, it doesn’t happen until I’ve like hit my time limit. Um, and Elsa actually, she understands like what’s happening and will like work to get me out of a situation if she senses. Like I’ve hit that like whiplash moment where I’m gonna start, start lashing out at people. But anyway, yeah, it’s gonna be, it’s gonna be interesting.

[00:21:58] Brett: It’ll be over soon. We [00:22:00] got a couple days.

[00:22:01] Classic Lit

[00:22:01] Jeff: I feel like we shouldn’t let this, uh, segment end without, uh, the Tolstoy line from the beginning of Anna Carina. All happy families are alike. Each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. the opening lines of that book, which I recently started rereading

[00:22:19] Christina: I, so I can’t remember if I read it or not. I don’t, I might, I think I would’ve remembered that line. So I guess I did not read that in high school, but that’s amazing. And now I kind of wanna read the book to be honest.

[00:22:30] Jeff: Well, also, even if, and anybody out there that did read it in high school, I, I did not read it in high school. I read it about two years ago, um, at like 46 or whatever that is. It’s like, it, it’s, it’s, it’s at a point of adulthood that you need to read that book. That’s where it really hits beautifully and wonderfully.

[00:22:46] Jeff: Like, I don’t understand, I think of all the people I know that read that in high school and I think of that book and I’m like, how did you even have any kind of resonance at all with any of this shit?

[00:22:54] Brett: Yeah, I tried to read it. I thought I tried read in fifth grade because I thought it would be [00:23:00] like smart, like I was, I was, I wanted to be smart, so I was like, I’m gonna read Tolstoy and I, it, it sevki and Tolstoy. I just, I I couldn’t, I couldn’t do it.

[00:23:14] Jeff: At

[00:23:14] Christina: Well, you were 11.

[00:23:15] Jeff: Love it. Yeah.

[00:23:16] Christina: were 11, so I mean, like, I, I did dickens then. Like Dickens you could do, right? Like I, I, I did Dickens then. Absolutely. Dickens is perfect for that stuff. Get some great

[00:23:26] Brett: I was, I was really into like Anthony Burgess at the time. A mouthful of

[00:23:33] Jeff: I read nothing, nothing on my own. Uh, all through high school and elementary school except Hammer the gods, the, the largely falsified biography of Fled Zeppelin. Um, I, you know, the reason I, what, what I did that worked so beautifully is like, I legitimately wanted to read all these kind of classics that seemed like just part of the cannon, that for some ridiculous reason, everybody was only reading in high school.

[00:23:58] Jeff: And so I, I initially [00:24:00] wanted to just, I wanted to read Warren Peace really bad. I’d started it every New Year’s resolution for three years. And finally I put out ano, I didn’t say Warren Peace, but I put out a thing on Facebook. I’m like, who wants to read Tolstoy short stories? It was a, it was a manipulation.

[00:24:13] Jeff: Uh, cuz I figured anyone who enjoyed the short stories, I could, I could get him at the right moment and be like, how about we do war and peace next? And sure enough, man, this group is such a beautifully random group. Um, and we read Warren Peace just over the course of a year. We took our time, we just like a little bit at a time, right?

[00:24:30] Jeff: And then we were like, this is a great concept. And so we did fucking, um, we did Moby Dick, we did Crime and Punishment and a Karenina Frankenstein. Amazing. Frankenstein is

[00:24:41] Christina: Oh, Frankenstein’s so good.

[00:24:42] Jeff: Oh my God. It’s just

[00:24:45] Christina: now.

[00:24:45] Brett: Mary Shelly and have you guys read other Mary Shelly’s stuff? Like she’s brilliant. She’s like un under underrated, like for sure

[00:24:56] Christina: Oh, 100% agreed. No. So no, Frankenstein is great and, and a [00:25:00] lot of those books are good. Now here’s my question for you, cuz this is the one that, and I’ve read a lot and, and I, I, I consider, I don’t consider myself like to be like a upscale, whatever, reader, but I read a lot and I read a lot of different things.

[00:25:12] Christina: I have never been able to get through Ulysses and I have

[00:25:14] Jeff: No, it’s on our list to try,

[00:25:16] Christina: but, but, but, but, but Joyce kicks my ass every single time and, and I, like Ulysses just fucking kicks my ass.

[00:25:27] Jeff: Right. Well, and I,

[00:25:28] Christina: been able to get through it.

[00:25:30] Jeff: and I want to be clear here. I’m not talking to you as like a clean fingernail, uh, liberal who’s done all the right things. I did not graduate high school, so I’m like, I’m, uh, I’m, I’m not going. Some people react that way. I was like, I’m not going for social capital. Like, I really wanted to read these books and they were all phenomenal.

[00:25:45] Jeff: Now the experience I’m having, I’m curious if you guys have had What’s that? Go ahead, Christina.

[00:25:50] Christina: No. I was gonna say now I haven’t gotten through Ulysses. I did read Finnegan’s Week and I liked

[00:25:54] Brett: Oh my God, that’s a hard one.

[00:25:55] Jeff: I’d love, I

[00:25:56] Christina: It’s a hard one, but, but,

[00:25:57] Brett: it’s a hard

[00:25:58] Christina: but I, but I, I was able to get through Finnegan’s [00:26:00] Week, but Ulysses was the one where I was just like, I can’t,

[00:26:02] Jeff: Two big ones for me that I’d like to read are Ulysses. Ulysses, and then obviously completely different era, infinite Jest. Um,

[00:26:10] Brett: Oh, I haven’t read Infinite. Just

[00:26:12] Jeff: because it’s

[00:26:13] Brett: parents bought, my parents bought one of those, uh, like bookshelf, uh, like all the classics, right. And it looks like an encyclopedia set. And it has like, in gold, gold lettering, the names of all the authors. And I worked my way through that as a kid and a lot of, like, that was where I discovered how fucked up, um, Allison Wonderland.

[00:26:35] Brett: Was the, like the actual book and Wizard of Oz that was in there, like the original version, like the actual book of Wizard of Oz was pretty fucked up. Like especially when you’re, especially when you’re like nine, 10 years old, like reading, reading obvious drug references through and through. Yeah.

[00:26:55] Christina: totally, totally. And then, and then, and, and I don’t know, I don’t know if it’s ever been decided or not. [00:27:00] I’ve always taken the interpretation that, uh, the Allison Winterland guy was a total pedophile. Um, I don’t, I don’t think there’s any, I don’t, I don’t think there’s any interpretation.

[00:27:09] Christina: I don’t think there’s any interpretation you can have of, of that book and of his life that is not, he was a complete pedophile. Um,

[00:27:16] Brett: me that way as a nine year old, but I, I believe if I read it, if I read it as an adult, I would probably be like, oh shit.

[00:27:24] Christina: well, I was in high school when I read it, and, and I, I was like, okay, this is, something’s not right here. And this is before everybody was like, You know, having the really problematic discourse we have now, you know, about like the groomer that’s groomer that No, like, I’m sorry. Like I read Alice Wonderland, I know there are a lot of people who defend Lewis Carroll, but I’m like,

[00:27:46] Jeff: You’re not

[00:27:46] Christina: bros fucked up bro was fucked up and in, in a way that wasn’t like, you know, ed Garlin Poe marrying his 13 year old cousin, which gross but not like out of context for the time.

[00:27:58] Christina: Like, that was not an [00:28:00] uncommon thing to happen in, in the 18 hundreds. Whereas like Louis Carroll, I’m like, I don’t know bro. But yeah, you’re right. A lot of those kids books like Alice, uh, not Alison, no Wizard Oz, cuz that was a whole series of books. Right? And, um,

[00:28:14] Brett: I, I read it as, I read it as one piece. I don’t know if it was

[00:28:17] Christina: well, no, no, no. But they

[00:28:18] Brett: serial.

[00:28:19] Christina: no, no, no.

[00:28:20] Christina: They had, they had one and then there were subsequent books

[00:28:22] Brett: Oh, okay. Yeah, I

[00:28:24] Christina: And, and, and so, and, and, and if you’ve ever seen, uh, return to Oz, which is the ill faded, uh, Francis Ford Coppola produced, uh, sequel, uh, with the far bulk, uh, from the eighties, um, you see how fucked up some of it gets. And, and that to me probably like, was more true to the, to the books than, um, than the the 1939, uh, MGM Classic

[00:28:52] Jeff: You know something I realized, I, I had no idea that, um, Frankenstein was not the monster, [00:29:00] you know what I mean? Because that’s how, that’s how it became. But, and, and so I was reading Frankenstein and I’m thinking about all the ways in which he’s been, or Frankenstein’s been represented as Frankenstein, the monster, not the doctor.

[00:29:11] Jeff: But then I realized Motley Crue was telling me all along, cuz they say he’s the one they called Dr. Feelgood, he’s gonna be your Frankenstein. So they’re telling me Frankenstein is the doctor. Right? How many times did I listen to that song And I still didn’t get it. I also never knew what happened at the end of Moby Dick.

[00:29:28] Jeff: Uh, uh, the rest of my book club was laughing cause I’d be like, don’t spoil it. I don’t know what happens with the whale . But anyway, I, I just wanna say that having a group to do that with, um, was just incredible. And, and for, for that reason, I’ve read all these books that I always wanted to read and now I’m reading them the second time through and I’m finding for the first time, cause I’ve never read a book twice, I’m finding how much, um, Enjoyment.

[00:29:54] Jeff: I get out of reading a book when the part of me that’s worrying and wondering about what’s gonna happen is [00:30:00] just not there. I already know what’s gonna happen, so I can just like go for the ride. And I’m finding that amazing. I know everyone else figured that out, probably in college or earlier, but it’s new for me.

[00:30:10] Brett: So, uh, speaking of classic literature, I would like to take a quick sponsor break.

[00:30:17] Christina: Yes.

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[00:32:04] Jeff: Hmm, man, you got a whole life I don’t know about until you

[00:32:09] Brett: Yeah,

[00:32:09] Christina: I was gonna say

[00:32:10] Brett: it’s, uh, it’s rich. It’s a rich

[00:32:12] Jeff: some, for some people it, it takes booze to loosen ’em up a little bit, but for you, it just takes a sponsorship

[00:32:18] Christina: it just takes sponsorship. Also though, like I feel like we do need like the robot, uh, hallmark channel though.

[00:32:26] Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:27] Brett: Well, so last time I made it about robot dominatrix is, but it turns out that’s actually a fucking thing. And, and some people didn’t know if I was joking or not. And so I tried, I tried to find,

[00:32:41] Jeff: You googled this one a few times.

[00:32:43] Brett: find the line where people would, it would obviously be a joke. Um, I did not actually Google Robot, robot Hallmark channel.

[00:32:50] Brett: It does feel like that might be a thing that exists. Um, maybe in Japan. I

[00:32:56] Jeff: I bet, I bet nobody’s asking ftx dude from him anymore, and I bet he’s [00:33:00] willing to try to, at least on the, on the sly, give some out

[00:33:06] Brett: So, uh, uh, Jeff, do you wanna, who wants to do the, uh, the promo swap this week?

[00:33:13] Jeff: Oh, doesn’t matter to me. I can do it.

[00:33:16] Brett: Rock on.

[00:33:21] Jeff: Yeah, no. Okay.

[00:33:23] Christina: I like it.

[00:33:24] Jeff: Thank you very much.

[00:33:25] Christina: I’m a fan.

[00:33:26] Promo Swap: Self Esteem Party

[00:33:26] Jeff: Um, promo swap, self-esteem party