302: High Content/Low Energy

High Content/Low Energy

[00:00:00] Intro: Tired. So tired, Overtired.

[00:00:04] Christina: You’re listening to Overtired. I’m Christina Warren, joined as always by my good friends. Jeffrey Severance, Gunzel and Brett Terpstra Boys. How are ya?

[00:00:15] Brett: So good.

[00:00:16] Jeff: Hello.

[00:00:16] Christina: Hi. So we are recording this a little bit later than we usually do in the week, uh, ironically, because we’ve all had kind of things going on and, um, all of us are, if this is gonna maybe be a little bit of kind of a low energy show, but not low content, uh, just because we are all tired,

[00:00:37] Brett: same amount of content, just slower

[00:00:40] Jeff: No, I think we got a new, that’s a new like tagline. High content, low energy.

[00:00:44] Christina: Okay. I don’t hate that. I don’t hate that at all.

[00:00:47] Jeff: I can see the shirt.

[00:00:49] Brett: like that’s a drink. White Russian, high content, low energy.

[00:00:56] Jeff: Oh man, I used to, I was never a heavy drinker, but when I was in a band and playing a lot, playing shows a lot, I realized that if I had a white Russian and two green belt beers, which for non Minnesotans is just pick your piss beer. But we’re loyal to it. If I had that combination of drink, I would go into the show without having to stretch cuz that’d just be a little looser.

[00:01:20] generally. And by the time the show was over, I was no longer drunk and, or it buzzed or whatever. And I really, I got like science, it was a scientific thing, a white Russian, and two grain belt premiums. And I’d go into the show, a barrel of laughs, and come out pretty sober and ready to go to sleep.

[00:01:39] Brett: Yeah, my first time in a bar I was like, I think 17. Maybe 18. And I didn’t, I didn’t know any drinks to order. Like I had no experience with this. And white Russian was the only drink I had ever heard of and that was the night I discovered there’s also a black Russian,

[00:02:01] Jeff: Oh yeah,

[00:02:02] Brett: in a black Russian, but I liked it better.

[00:02:05] Jeff: They make canned white Russians. I mean, they like make a lot of canned cocktails, but there’s the mental health check in right there

Mental Health Corner

[00:02:17] Brett: So should we roll into a, a mental health corner? Are we, are we high enough energy to do that?

[00:02:22] Christina: Totally do that.

[00:02:23] Brett: Okay. Who wants to start

[00:02:25] Jeff: Uh, I can start.

[00:02:26] Brett: to it please.

[00:02:28] Jeff: Um, my family had a medical emergency over the last week and I spent some time in the, um, In the hospital in like the nicest hospital room. It was amazing. They had a we,

[00:02:39] Christina: Oh my God.

[00:02:39] Jeff: if you wanted an Xbox or a PlayStation, you could get that instead. Um, and they had like a blue-ray player and a giant TV that was really high quality.

[00:02:50] There were actually three TVs in the room. It was the craziest thing ever saw. Um, I know when I, when my mom was my mom, Was in a coma in the ICU for a couple weeks, two years ago, maybe three years ago, and I, the entire time she was there for two weeks, I couldn’t get a folding chair, but this hospital room had a couch that turned into a bed, a recliner, two regular chairs.

[00:03:13] It was like, Oh, like wow. It’s just like such a crapshoot. It’s amazing. Anyway, but the, we was kind of amazing. Um, my, so it’s always strange to be in and out of a hospital room over the course of a week. It definitely causes me to lose the ground from under my feet. Um, and, uh, and so that’s, that’s pretty much how I am feeling is, uh, without any ground under my feet.

[00:03:39] Um, and it also is like my brain is trying to kind of figure out where to sort some hard news out of this family emergency. Um, and it’s just, it’s like, it feels like two things at once. It feels. brain can’t sort it, but it also feels like, I know that there’s a part of me that’s very emotional about this, like, but I can’t quite get through the membrane to get my hands on it.

[00:04:11] Um, and so it just feels like, like I’m at a distance from the kind of true feelings of the thing. And that always scares me a little bit because I can, I can, I’m someone who can easily get kind of disembodied where like I feel a lot of my stress in my head, but I don’t really feel anything else in the rest of my body.

[00:04:29] It’s like, everything’s just like, it’s like so symbolically perfect cuz I’m in my head and, and all of the discomfort is also in my head. And I think when I’m, when I think of settling things, settling in, I literally think of him like trickling down from my head into the rest of my body. And that’s something I’m struggling with right now after just getting some hard news this week.

[00:04:51] So. So that’s it.

[00:04:54] Brett: so I, I saw a therapist this week and I saw my psychiatrist this week. And, um, I have come to believe that what I, you know, how I check in is stable sometimes, but I’m fucking bored. Um, and, and not, not doing great like, like stable, what I’ve called stable has never been great for me. Um, I also saw a talk from a bipolar cartoonist this last week who came to speak at a local college.

[00:05:27] Um, and. I realized maybe like, so there’s bipolar one, bipolar two, then there’s this other thing that starts with C Y C L, Cyclo EMIA or something like that. And I realized that might be me. Like I might not be bipolar two, as I had always assumed I may be this thing that alternates between hypomania and depression and rapid succession and never sees like a real stable in between.

[00:05:59] So what I’ve always called stable might be depression. and like, So my new goal after talking to psychiatrist and therapist is to find out what stable actually can be and like to reframe. Like, I’ve always been scared of finding stability because in my experience, stability had been something just infinitely boring and without any creative, uh, or productivity, like, just not the way I wanted to live.

[00:06:34] Uh, but that might be depression for me and I might be able to find a stable where I’m actually happy, where I experience like normal human happiness, not like manic euphoria. Just like, uh, an interest in doing, like going for a hike, going for, uh, a good dinner, um, and really finding pleasure in those things without having to be manic.

[00:07:04] Um, and so that’s kind of, that’s rocked my worldview, if you will, um, to, to realize maybe there’s something that I haven’t experienced that I could strive for. Uh, so we started looking into ways that I can. Reach that stability, uh, without losing all of the things I love about hypomania, uh, without losing my creativity, my, my drive to create new things.

[00:07:36] Um, to maybe find that and be stable because this, this bipolar cartoonist, um, I would have to look up her name ho give me one second, uh, edit. Um, she wrote a book called Marbles and one called Rock Steady, and her name is Ellen Forney. Um, and she was, she was an excellent presenter. It was like going, Do you guys know who the blog is?

[00:08:07] Is. Um, she is a, uh, a blogger who is, I can’t remember exactly what her neuro divergence is, but her level of anxiety and, uh, sarcasm combines to make really amazing, Like she’s written a couple books, uh, and, and she has always spoken to me as, as a neuro divergent person. But, uh, Ellen Forney, like really when she presented, uh, she did it so humbly, uh, well, basically saying like, I have suffered through.

[00:08:48] Extreme mania and extreme depression. And I’ve come out as this, this is what I’ve produced, this is what I’ve learned from the process. And it was, I cried a little listening to her just because I related and I could feel like the pain of what she had gone through and, and the fact that she had come out on the other end and had found stability and had been able to continue creating as a stable person was like joyous to me.

[00:09:23] And it’s given me something new to strive for.

[00:09:26] Christina: That’s really great.

[00:09:28] Jeff: I feel like you’re, you’re in the, there’s this whole category of experience when something changes in your life or when or when something is removed, um, either by choice or or not. And you ask yourself the question, What am I without X? Right?

[00:09:46] Christina: Mm-hmm.

[00:09:47] Jeff: it seems like you’ve been, you’ve been asking that question and what you just described sounds like it’s like a pathway to an answer, which is awesome.

[00:09:53] Brett: Yeah, my therapist described it as like, so you’re sitting in a room and your mania is sitting in this chair and your depression is sitting in this chair, and they are your old friends like you. You need to choose whether you’re gonna say goodbye to them or whether you’re going to manage them, or like how you’re going to define this relationship with these external beings.

[00:10:19] And that, that kind of ranked true for me, like this idea that my mania was almost this external thing that I associated with, that I related to, uh, that I, I wanted in my life. So I, yeah, I have some shit to figure out, uh, as far as this relationship goes with my bipolar. Um, but yeah, this new idea of maybe happiness, instability, that could be, that could be cool.

[00:10:50] Jeff: Yeah,

[00:10:52] Christina: I think that’s, that’s, I think that could be amazing actually.

[00:10:54] Brett: I’ll keep you posted. Okay.

[00:10:58] Christina: So for me, mine, um, I mean I’ve been, so I, I was hosting, uh, Microsoft at night this week and we might talk a little bit about some of the stuff that was announced there. Cause some of it was, was actually interesting. A lot of it is just like enterprise. Kind of stuff that’ll appeal to a certain segment of our audience, but not most of it. But, um, but that was, it was, it was fun. I haven’t, um, done, um, a hosting thing like with Microsoft since I left Microsoft. And, um, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m still, you know, part of kind of like the, the family so to speak.

[00:11:28] You know, I work at GitHub and so I’m doing universe next month, which, uh, November 9th and 10th in, uh, uh, San Francisco. So if you are there and you see me obviously say hello, uh, we have a rule on a rocket where if we see listeners in real life, I buy them a drink. But that also applies to Overtired listeners, and it does not need to be an alcoholic drink.

[00:11:49] I’ll buy you, you know, smoothie or coffee or whatever the case may be. Um, but uh, just throwing that out there, I’m very low probability that anyone who listens to this podcast will be at GitHub Universe, but you never know. Um, also, uh, register and join us online for free. That’s end of my plugging. And, um, So, but no, but I was doing that and it was, it was fun, but it was also kind of weird.

[00:12:11] I was like kind of back, you know, in this, in this world a little bit that I hadn’t been in. And, um, I had been a little bit disconnected from a lot of the process of actually, uh, you know, kind of the, the day to day stuff of like, I didn’t really know what content was gonna be involved and I wasn’t super involved in the script writing.

[00:12:28] And so I really was kind of, Hired talent who wasn’t, you know, paid. Um, the, the guy that, um, so we had, it was a hybrid event, so there were people in, um, Seattle at the Seattle Convention Center, which is incidentally like a five or six minute walk from my apartment. Uh, I had to go, you know, half an hour away to Redmond, the Microsoft campus, the studios record there.

[00:12:51] But we did have a bunch of people in person doing stuff. Um, and then there were some local events happening at the same time in, in various parts of the world. Uh, but it was me and this guy Brian Tong, who’s a, uh, YouTuber, used to work at cnet. Now he has his own YouTube channel and he’s an independent guy.

[00:13:07] We were the two people hosting. From, um, uh, main studios and we had, we did some interviews and some other stuff, but a lot of it was just kind of introducing packages and going to the next, you know, bits of segments and things like that. But, um, it was fun. I, I got to see some people, um, who came out, you know, for the event in person at, at, um, like kind of a community kind of meet meetup thing that was in my neighborhood.

[00:13:31] Um, I was not able to go in person to see anything because I was too far away and I was literally on air the whole time that everything was happening. But it was, uh, my mental health is, is good. I guess. It was, it was, it was weird though. It was like, you know, you go back and I, it’s almost like, you know, when you go back and you like visit like a school after you’ve graduated or left and you see, you know, people and I certainly like, it wasn’t the same thing cuz I was still like doing, you know, a job and was, was hosting and whatnot.

[00:14:01] But, you know, it’s, it’s like not my, my life anymore really. Right. Like, it might be for a couple weeks out of the year, but, You know, I, I was coming in, you know, as, as kind of like somebody who was disconnected from the normal process. And because work is so entwined with my identity in a lot of ways, kind of what you were talking about a little bit, Brett, um, uh, you know, I, for me, it’s not anything to do with my, my, my mental health or, or my neuro, but work has for better or worse been like a, a big definer of, of how I kind of see myself.

[00:14:35] Um, probably for worse, to be honest. It was, it was interesting to be back in kind of a, a place and be like, Oh, this isn’t necessarily my identity anymore. Um, but you know, you still have like this muscle memory of being able to kind of jump in and, and do it and, uh, you know, um, bullshit and ask some of the, the questions if you need to about stuff that, like, I don’t think about every day anymore, right?

[00:15:01] Uh

[00:15:02] Brett: is it muscle memory? Cause I, I watch some of the stuff you

[00:15:06] Christina: mm-hmm.

[00:15:07] Brett: and like, when we do this podcast, if we’re having a rough day, we can come on and we can say, I’m having a rough day. It’s gonna be, it’s gonna be slow. Um, I’m super tired. You don’t get to do that when you are

[00:15:20] Christina: no, no, no.

[00:15:22] Brett: to just flip a switch and just be on, Cause I, I have trouble imagining that for myself.

[00:15:28] Christina: yeah. I, I am And that actually, that’s actually, Thank you for bringing it back for the mental health thing. That is a struggle because, and this is what I think people don’t understand sometimes about those types of roles, because you have to be on, and not only are you on when the camera’s on, you need to be on, when you’re not on, you know, because you need to be nice to the crew and the execs.

[00:15:50] And then if you’re going to the community meetups and the other things that are happening around these things, you have to be on there too. Like I was commiserating with them, a former colleague of mine, I know we were talking about like a lot of people are like, Oh, you know, your spouse would never go on these trips with you.

[00:16:03] And I’m like, Well, it’s not a vacation. Right? Like if, if he came at the end of the trip on his own dime and then we, I took time off and we stayed a few extra days in the city. Sure. But when you go to these things, yeah, you might have a day or two that you can get around to do site scene, but it is not a vacation.

[00:16:23] And beyond that, even when you have those little pockets you can carve out for yourself, you still have to be on at all times. And it can be really draining. And I consider myself a social person, right? Like I consider myself an extrovert, but it can still be really draining. And then a scenario like this, when you’re doing the hosting stuff, we are live, there are some pre-records, um, but even those, they like to do them in one shot.

[00:16:47] But we are live. And, and you have like a camera crew and you can’t just mess up. If you do, you’ve gotta kind of joke at yourself and then move on. But like, it is the same as doing like live television, where you’ve gotta be on, you’ve gotta have the energy. It doesn’t matter that you, you know, woke up at four 30 in the morning and have been there since, you know, 6:00 AM and um, this is your third day in a row of doing a 12 hour day and you’re exhausted.

[00:17:12] Like you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta look and have the energy and bring it on and, and do this stuff, and you don’t have any way to not do it. And so I think a lot of people, they think, Oh, it must be so easy just reading off a teleprompter. And it’s like, no, it’s actually not. It’s both emotionally and mentally.

[00:17:28] There’s a lot that goes into it. And then beyond that, like not everybody has the personality type for it. Uh, and, and, and not everybody would enjoy doing it. And I do enjoy doing it, but when I do it, like days like this, like a day after, I’m coming off of like a three day bender where I’m just like, Fuck.

[00:17:45] You know, I’m, after we finish doing Overtired, like, and I finish uploading the latest episode to the download to, uh, to YouTube and, and get that up. Like, I’m just gonna like, take an edible and like piece out for the rest of the weekend.

[00:17:59] Brett: Have you seen the show, uh, reboot?

[00:18:02] Christina: No.

[00:18:03] Brett: Um, it’s, it’s got Keegan Michael Key in it. I

[00:18:07] Christina: Oh, okay. Love him.

[00:18:08] Brett: actors, but you would know all of them. Uh, it’s got the jackass dude, uh,

[00:18:13] Christina: Johnny Knoxville. Johnny Knoxville? Yeah.

[00:18:16] Brett: Um, and there’s just, there’s a moment where she has just received like very troubling personal news and then they call. Like she’s on and she has to walk from, It’s about, it’s about a TV show. It’s about a Hulu, Hulu TV show. And like she’s backstage and all of a sudden it’s her, it’s her time for a line. And she has to drop from this like, extremely emotional moment, like, of like anger and sadness and just smile and walk out into a sitcom television set and deliver her line.

[00:18:53] And I’m like that, that remind, It made me think of you, Christina, because I know you go through some shit. I know like life is not perfect for you, but when you get in front of the camera you have to smile and you gotta be on and, And I thought of you.

[00:19:09] Christina: Yeah. No, I want, I mean, it was, it was, I mean, I, I would not look and, and I’ll fair, I would not have been able to do this if, if it had been like my own, um, uh, you know, uh, parent or father or anything. But like, I was, um, I had just, um, arrived in Paris I think when, um, my, uh, my husband’s father, when my father-in-law died.

[00:19:29] Like I had just arrived and, and he, he’d been sick. He had cancer. Grant was with him, and I literally just arrived and that happened. And I was not in a position where I could fly back. It was not one of those things where I, I, you know, it just, it wasn’t like it. I was not in a position where I could do that.

[00:19:44] And then like, you have to go and give a talk and, and be hanging out with people forgetting about the fact that like, you have all these other stresses happening in your life and at home and these personal things. And it can’t matter. It’s exactly like you said. Like you, you know, you, you could be feeling really sick.

[00:19:59] You could be feeling whatnot. Like, I, I passed out on stage once my blood sugar got bad and I fainted on stage with, and that was really fucking embarrassing. And then you have to like, build it up and go on and then pretend like, like, No, no, don’t make anything about me. I think people gave me really good review marks because they felt bad for me, but that was, uh, still like, you know, humiliating on a lot of levels.

[00:20:18] It was not great. Um, but yeah, that’s, you’re exactly right. It’s, it’s, it’s, um, yeah. It can be a lot. And, and I think that that’s why I, after I do a lot of these things, when I did them more frequently, it was easier to kind of figure out how to kind of like modulate, you know, and kind of get through it. But then when it’s like been a while and like I haven’t done one of these all day things in quite some time.

[00:20:43] Like I, I was at, um, get merge, but that was an in person thing. And it’s just, it’s not the same as on camera. It’s not the same. And, um,

[00:20:51] Jeff: uh,

[00:20:52] Christina: you know, it’s not the same as when you literally have like a full production studio and like a jib coming at you in four cameras and instructions in your years of where you need to turn and what you need to do and reading off the prompter.

[00:21:03] And you’ve gotta get in at this timeline and oh, now you’re being told that you have to actually extend two minutes because they need to fill time. And so you’re talking to someone and you’re like, All right, let’s, we’re, we’re, we’re gonna have to like, come up with an extra talking point. Yeah. Which I can do.

[00:21:18] But the, the problem is, is that sometimes the person you’re ramping with doesn’t know they have to va. Like I was doing a, an interview live yesterday. About some security stuff. And the girl was great, but we’d rehearsed a lot and she was wanting to be very specific and, and very scripted in what she did, which I totally get because for people who don’t do this for a living, like they feel much more comfortable when they have it all out there.

[00:21:38] Um, but it needed to be five minutes. And originally when we’d practiced it was like seven, so we needed to cut two minutes. Well, we cut too much or she cut too much. Um, and so we had a minute to go and so we’re done. And I need to be kind of wrapping up and she and I hadn’t talked about this before, but I was like, Okay, I have, I have, you know, literally I have, I have 65 seconds I need to fill, so I have to like come up on the fly with another question.

[00:22:01] She handled it great, she gave some great tips, it was fine. And then I was able to get us out. I think we might have still been about 10 seconds early, but we were, you know, close enough. But yeah, you’re right, like those things happen and it’s just like, okay, that’s that, that’s it. And you have to forget about all the other shit that might be going on in the back of your mind.

[00:22:19] And I’m sorry that was a rant, but I’m very tired,

[00:22:22] Brett: No, that was

[00:22:23] Jeff: But it sounds exhausting.

[00:22:25] Brett: Yeah, for real.

[00:22:26] Christina: It. No, it is, It is.

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Heartbreak High

[00:27:33] Brett: Have you guys seen Heartbreak High?

[00:27:35] Christina: No. Tell us about it.

[00:27:37] Brett: You know, you know, I have a thing for young adult stuff. Some of my favorite books are classified as ye

[00:27:46] Christina: Okay. Yo, why, for sure. That’s, that’s different though, but yeah.

[00:27:50] Brett: Well, yeah, and this is, and it’s not, I think I might be emotionally stunted from years of, of Addiction. Um, but I really, I really enjoy why stuff, but l who does not have my history with addiction, also enjoys this show called Heartbreak High on Netflix.

[00:28:10] And it is astounding. It is like, if you are queer or neuro divergent in any way, this show has something for you.

[00:28:20] Christina: Ooh. And it’s a reboot.

[00:28:22] Brett: Is it really

[00:28:23] Christina: is apparently I’m, it was an Australian program. It that, that also aired on the bbc, um, from 97 to 99.

[00:28:32] Brett: takes place in Australia.

[00:28:34] Christina: Yeah. Well, no, that makes sense because it’d be weird for them to like reboot it otherwise, but yeah, it was on, it was on Network 10, um, and um, and then it was on BBC two, but yeah, it was, it was So was an Australian show.

[00:28:46] It was, Oh, it’s a spinoff of the 1993 Australian feature film. The Heartbreak Kid. Um,

[00:28:52] Brett: the original now, because this show is

[00:28:54] Christina: Tell us about it.

[00:28:56] Brett: Um, like you, like the, the main characters are, there’s one girl who, who’s basically neurotypical, uh, has no idea what’s going on in her friend’s lives. Um, like she’s very surface level, but then her friends include like, uh, a non-binary queer.

[00:29:18] Like, uh, like cis male, um, who is in love with this guy who’s caught up in this like, uh, world of crime where he basically is scared to deviate because he’ll get the ship beat outta him. You got an autistic girl and, and he’s best friends with the autistic girl and is like an amazing friend to a high school girl with autism.

[00:29:44] And there’s uh, uh, you got a girl who goes through a near sexual assault and then her father is also insane. I don’t know in what way, but basically her life is in danger at home because her father, her single father is just fucking nuts. And like all of this comes together. It is the most dramatic. High school center.

[00:30:15] It’s like if 9 0 2 and oh had a lot more just insanity and neuro divergence to it,

[00:30:23] Christina: Okay, so, so, so, so is Australia and Degrassi is what you’re saying?

[00:30:29] Brett: I, I don’t actually relate to that, that analogy, but I’m gonna, I’m gonna let it, I’m gonna accept that that’s probably

[00:30:36] Christina: Okay. So, so, so, so Degrassi and then there was Degrassi. So there’s Degrassi, Junior High, Degrassi High. Then there was Degrassi, the Next Generation, and then they did a Netflix one, and I don’t fucking know what that’s called. And they might be doing another one, but it’s like this Canadian soap, teen soap thing that has gone on for generations that, uh, that’s where we got Drake from, to be honest.

[00:30:59] Brett: Okay.

[00:31:00] Christina: Because Drake was on the next generation. He was, he was, uh, Jimmy Brooks who got shot and then, uh, crippled. He was a basketball player who was shot in a school shooting thing and, and then, uh, couldn’t use his legs anymore. And, um, and they ver they let him rap occasionally, but you didn’t ever actually hear any of his stuff.

[00:31:16] Then he was always kind of doing it on the down low, um, under his, uh, his Drake, uh, moniker. But, uh, it, it sounds a lot like Heartbreak High, seems like Australian Degrassi, which as a big fan of Degrassi, um, I’m here for, So that’s fun.

[00:31:31] Brett: I, I re I don’t think, I don’t think it’s, it’s specifically for people who enjoy young adult stuff. I think it’s for anyone who is neuro divergent or queer in any way that wants characters that can relate to you because they do an amazing

[00:31:52] Christina: Mm-hmm.

[00:31:53] Brett: of representing different types of people. Um, it’s, it’s really like, it’s really moving.

[00:32:01] I recommend it for everyone.

[00:32:03] Christina: That’s cool. Yeah. And actually, it turns out some of the characters that I’m just looking at here, some of the, the recurring and notable guest stars, um, were from the original. So, um, I wonder

[00:32:12] Brett: didn’t know that

[00:32:13] Christina: Yeah, no, again, so again, I’m, I’m just being real, like, and I’m into watching this because I was unaware of this show, but this does completely scream to me.

[00:32:21] And in, in fact, I bet even when it was created, cuz Degrassi had already happened in Canada, um, at, I totally bet that somebody was just like, let’s just do an Australian version of Degrassi. Uh, and, uh, which genius, You should totally do that. And now the reboot, um, is referencing old things like Degrassi did.

[00:32:39] So I’m, I’m gonna watch this. And I, I think to your point, I think it’s great that they show like these different types of people, but I also feel. Whether you’re emotionally stunted or not. And I love your thoughts on this, Jeff, because you’re, you know, you have, um, teenagers, but I feel like there’s something kind of for a lot, for some people, not everybody, but for some people, there’s something that is like always going to be fun and relatable and you know, like you can dig, jump into things that are either take place at that time in people’s lives or um, you know, things that may or may not be classified as ye just because even though whether you’re emotionally centered or not, once you get past that, we can always, I think a lot of us anyway can like go back and like remember what that time was like and, and that’s just like a, it can be very compelling is all I’m saying.

[00:33:25] Like I think whether or not you, cuz I don’t consider myself emotionally stunted the way that, that you might read, but I’ve loved teen shows since before I was a teenager. Long after I was a teen. You know, I like why stuff. Um, but I also think that sometimes it can also be a really good way, as you were mentioning, to showcase people with, with different backgrounds and, um, you know, um, uh, you know, who are different because it’s a lot easier to kind of show that kind of coming of age stuff in a coming of age setting than it is in like an adult workplace thing where, you know, it’s like people, like even the most, uh, uh, you know, understanding and, and and whatnot amongst us, like, you might not give the same sort of understanding or care as much about the journey if it’s like watching like a, a workplace, you know, drama of somebody in their forties and going through these things as if you’re seeing like the self discovery and, and, and whatnot, you know?

[00:34:24] Brett: that moment, that chrysalis. When, uh, when things like neuro divergence become like the most important in your life, uh, the th the times when they affect your life the most, like everyone who grew up, uh, you know, uh, bipolar, autistic, adhd, We all remember

[00:34:45] Christina: Depressed.

[00:34:46] Brett: we remember what high school was like, uh, those times when it became the forefront of our lives.

[00:34:53] Uh, and I think everybody, no matter where they’re at, can remember those moments.

[00:34:59] Christina: I agree.

[00:34:59] Brett: I feel like high school dramas, uh, they, they work

[00:35:04] Christina: They do, they do high school dramas, young adult things. I mean, I think that’s why like some of the best films and some of those things, like I consider the graduate like one of like the best films of all time, right? And, and, um, based on a book, but like Mark Mike Nichols, like what he did with that. Like that is like the, the kind of quintessential of that era coming of age thing.

[00:35:23] It’s also sort of an allegory for the end of that decade of the sixties. Right. And um, and I think, you know, you see that with a lot of, a lot of content and, and that I think is why stuff is read at this point more by adults. Than than young adults. Right? Like, if anything, I

[00:35:39] Brett: better.

[00:35:40] Christina: No, no, no. This has been the trend for at least a decade.

[00:35:42] Like, it, it, it like, like Twilight was definitely part of the kickoff for sure. But then like Hunger Games I think was really, I mean, Harry Potter, honestly, we really wanna go back, but that I don’t consider Harry Potter y I think those are children’s books, um, that happen to just be very good. But then you had Twilight and then you really had Hunger Games cuz Hunger Games, the books were fucking good.

[00:36:04] And it wasn’t just like a book that you would be like, Oh, these are just things that kids read. It was like, No, this is actually like a good series. And then the movies were really fucking good. Like the, the movies were better than they had any right to be. Right. And, and that kicked off. I think this whole resurgence of, um, writers, especially from different backgrounds writing for frankly adult audiences, but using the YE themes.

[00:36:28] And I’m sorry, I’m, I’m rambling cuz I’m

[00:36:29] Brett: No, I feel like that’s totally true. Like I, those books are not, like, they’re not stupid. Like they’re not written to children. They are written to adults. Uh, and they might be about themes that maybe a high schooler can relate to, but, but I’m, I’m not a stupid

[00:36:49] Christina: No, no, you’re not

[00:36:51] Brett: books.

[00:36:51] I’m very literate and I read these books and like they speak to me. Maybe not in the way that, like a Tom Robbins book speaks to me. But, uh, but I never feel like it’s being dumbed down or like I’m reading something for children. Like they are, they’re written for adults about, about themes that honestly we’ve all been through and we can relate

[00:37:14] Christina: Totally. Did either of you ever read, um, the Parks of Wallflower?

[00:37:19] Jeff: No.

[00:37:20] Christina: Okay. So it’s a great film too. Um, and, and Steven, um, Chapski, can’t pronounce his last name or can’t think of it, but he, um, I think he wrote the screenplay as well as, uh, the book, which for, for me, like made it really good. But it, it, so it was published in 1999.

[00:37:35] I was in high school. I was like the, the age, it was really kind of designed for, um, I’d read Catcher in the Rye. Right before I read that and, and that actually was gonna be one of the examples I used too. Catch on Therye is a fucking y novel. It’s a coming of age novel, Right. But it’s also widely considered one of the greatest books of all time.

[00:37:52] And it is, Right. But, but that is like one of those, But per subpoena wallflower, um, it takes place, It’s written through letters to this kind of anonymous person, and it takes place in I think like 1991. Um, and, um, uh, which was an interesting device even to use then, because for the generation, like my generation who read it, like I kind of knew some of the references, but I didn’t know The Smiths.

[00:38:15] Like I was, I’ll be completely honest, I was introduced to the Smiths through the perks of Being a Wallflower becau