268: A Literal Genius’ Guide To Anal Sex

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[00:00:00] Brett: Hey listeners. It’s Brett here. I haven’t slept since the last time we recorded, which was a couple of days ago. I am, I am in shit shape, but fortunately I have help. I’m here with Christina Warren, you know, my long-time co-host and returning guest, Bryan Guffey. How are you guys?

[00:00:24] Christina: Good, good. I’m I’m pretty good. I have slept. Um, I’m on, I’m on vacation mode. I am flying out. Um, to Atlanta early tomorrow morning, so I’ve got to do laundry and stuff. And, um, uh, but yeah, I just ordered my dad’s Christmas gift, um, which I realized was very last minute, but I thought that I’d done it earlier and I didn’t, but they did have a Sonos from, um, at a local best buy in Atlanta.

[00:00:52] Well, it’ll be available for pickup on the 23rd, but I wasn’t able to get, I had to wait for father’s day, like months for his, [00:01:00] for his Sonos. Like I had to order it in may to get it like sometime at the end of June. So I was happy that this time I didn’t have to wait as long for another

[00:01:10] Bryan: Sonos.

[00:01:11] Brett: You spent a lot of time on a consumerism. This isn’t an insult. That sounds mean, but like, So many topics, our Christina’s like waiting to get a brand new laptop or Christina’s like hunting down a PS4. Like you spend a lot of time on like, not just shopping, but like difficult shopping.

[00:01:33] Christina: No, you’re not wrong. And, and, and, and it’s, it’s a fair criticism. I think about that a lot,

[00:01:37] actually. I’m Like yeah, I know. I know. But no, I mean, it’s, it’s, uh, it’s sort of this, well, we’ll talk about our mental health, but it’s sort of how I deal with things to be completely honest. And it’s not the most healthy way, but it is what it is.

[00:01:49] in this case, I just literally finished doing that, before we started the pot.

[00:01:53] Brett: I just like, I don’t have the energy for that kind of stuff. If it takes, it takes too long or [00:02:00] it’s too hard to track down. I just, I, I, I don’t, that’s why I don’t have that much stuff.

[00:02:06] Christina: Well, in this case, I didn’t have to track it down in that difficult late,

[00:02:10] like for, for this particular thing.

[00:02:11] Brett: you had to, you had to put an order in and wait for it and.

[00:02:15] Christina: Oh, I mean that, I mean in months to go, yeah, for, for this particular one, though, It actually works out because I will be getting into Atlanta and then we will pick it up on the 23rd. So it’s actually easier, but

[00:02:26] Bryan: sure.

[00:02:26] Brett: Fair enough, Brian, how are you?

[00:02:30] Bryan: Um, you know, it’s, it’s Saturday and I have three days left to work for the rest of the year. So that’s like, yeah. And then though, and we’ll get into the thumb, but I am looking forward to not working so that I can work. If you all know what

[00:02:46] Christina: that’s like.

[00:02:46] Brett: Totally. My vacation started today. I’ve been working all day.

[00:02:52] Bryan: Yeah. I was going to

[00:02:52] Christina: say, I was like, my vacation technically started, um, Wednesday, although I was, uh, doing, um, [00:03:00] uh, I went into the office on Thursday. Last time we recorded. And, um, I I’m also in this place where I’m like, yes, I’m actually looking forward to being able to get some actual work done because I don’t go back until third or the fourth or whatever day

[00:03:14] Bryan: that is.

[00:03:16] Yeah, same. I’m just looking forward to actually doing some training, having time to do training and learn some stuff. So excited, just got work to pay for like $1,200 worth of it, lasting and training. So I’m thrilled.

[00:03:28] Brett: Wait, can’t you do that during work though?

[00:03:30] Bryan: Well, we’re going to get into that. I would like to, that would be awesome.

[00:03:36] Christina: That would be awesome.

[00:03:37] Wouldn’t it? I was going to say, wouldn’t it be great? Like we have, sometimes we have these like days of learning thing, which is ends up just being like, oh, you’re not supposed to have meetings these days and you can focus on your own things. And then inevitably other people will like not respect the day of learning and be like, oh no, we have to have this meeting at this time.

[00:03:55] I’m like, well,

[00:03:57] Bryan: well thanks.

[00:03:58] Brett: I just like, I, [00:04:00] I myself those days, they don’t offer them, but I’m like, Hey, I need today. I’m going to be heads down. And then I, I go heads down. I like clothes, slack. I just ignore work for a day.

[00:04:13] Bryan: Nice.

[00:04:14] Brett: It takes some effort.

[00:04:15] Christina: Okay, so, so, okay. So we should just go right into Brett’s mental health corner, AKA mental health corner, because you haven’t slept.

[00:04:24] Brett: Yeah. I am like low key manic, which sounds like a contradiction in terms, but I’m like super calm. I went to breakfast with my parents this morning and I let them know, like I hadn’t been sleeping and that I was having a bit of a manic episode. And my mom’s like, you seem totally level, like, I I’m, I’m not coming across as crazy, but I’m not sleeping.

[00:04:52] That’s like the only symptom of this is I’m not sleeping and therefore I’m tired. Um, but like I have [00:05:00] that coding obsession, like I put way too much effort into bunch or not bunch, uh, doing yesterday because I can’t stop. But this morning, like, It turned out that code samples on my blog, when a code sample was inside of a list, it was being rendered with a space at the beginning of every line.

[00:05:21] So if you copied code out and pasted it into a script, it wouldn’t work because the hash bang at the beginning of the script would have a space before it. And this is, this is annoying. I mean, sure. People could fix it on their end, but, um, I write a lot of code on my blog. I can’t have this. So I spent three hours tracking down.

[00:05:45] I have so many plugins running and it turned out, I didn’t even know how my code blocks were being syntax, highlighted, like everything. I was working wasn’t and something completely unexplainable [00:06:00] was creating my code blocks. ultimately after three hours, I ended up writing a Jekyll hook does a brute force, red jacks, uh, D uh, like out, out debting of all rendered code blocks before they go to the blog.

[00:06:18] Uh, it’s it’s ugly. It works. I love Jekyll’s hooks. can, you can do so much with hooks, but also it’s fucking annoying. I am mad at Jekyll and I love Jekyll at the same.

[00:06:35] Christina: Yeah. I noticed that that was in a, in, in the show notes. What, we’ll come to that. Um, uh, Brian, how’s your mental health?

[00:06:42] Bryan: Oh man. Well, you know, let’s see, uh, fine ish. Like I’m talking about, I’m excited about we’re going to have this break. Things are going to be nice. I’m going to be too bored and we’re going to find things to do, but at the moment, you know, everything that’s going [00:07:00] on in the world with, um, Omnicon variant.

[00:07:05] It’s stressing me the heck out. And you know, mostly just worried about my friends. Like, I’m good doing what I do. I stay at home all the time. I don’t go anywhere, but like, that’s stressful. And then this stuff going on with this discord community that I created with friends a while ago, it was just kind of like a messy and it makes me wonder, like, will you ever have like decent community on the internet or is it always going to like devolve into terrible stuff?

[00:07:30] So like, we’re deciding about, are we going to shut it down or what are we going to do? You know? And so like, that’s been, that’s been kind of a sad conversation that’s been going on. I’m like, yeah, I’m like a six out of 10.

[00:07:44] Brett: I would point out that like our, our discord for over-tired is not super active compared to some of the discourse I’m on, but we have great people there that are always friendly and I’ve yet to have like any [00:08:00] meltdowns in that community.

[00:08:03] Bryan: Yeah. And I think that’s part of, uh, that’s one of the things that I think I’ve learned this community like blew up because like, it was launched on Tik TOK and it was one of those things that went viral. So we’ve got like 8,000 people in a day. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And, um, we learned a lot through this process, but what we learned is that I think you have to build, like, we spend a lot of time being intentional about the community, but like the people who came in and weren’t intentional.

[00:08:34] Christina: Right, right. That’s actually a really good point because you can be intentional about how you’re creating it. But if the people who you’re bringing in don’t have those same, don’t have that same understanding, then it can, it can be a different place.

[00:08:49] Bryan: Yeah. I’ve been thinking a lot about the number of people over the past couple of years, and we launched it in the pandemic.

[00:08:54] Right. That’s the other part, a lot of people over the past couple of years, we’ve only sort of gotten to be adults [00:09:00] on the internet because they’re like, you know, they’re like college students and like their whole lives have been on the internet as adults. And what that means and how you think about things and how like you engage with people.

[00:09:13] And also they grew up in a world where Donald Trump was always like somebody who was maybe running for president and what that’s done to us.

[00:09:21] Christina: Right. And, and is also, I mean, I think even like taking some of like the, the world thinks about it, like they’re college students. So, you know, when you’re that age, you’re self absorbed and you have your own kind of shit and you have your own way of doing things and you’re not completely developed.

[00:09:34] And you know, like it’s, it’s different. Um, like I, I can look back at my own life, you know, which was on the internet, um, as, as were both of you, you know, then, and I’m like, yeah, shit. I. Uh, the difference then I think slightly cause I did have Facebook, but it was like, there was some sense of, um, anonymity and other stuff.

[00:09:57] So you could at least like your mistakes were hidden, [00:10:00] but you know, it’s, it’s different now. Like it’s just it, but not even now, I guess it’s just like, it’s that age, you know, where, where people have different ways of interacting. Like you grow out of stuff, you know what I mean? Not everyone does, but a lot of people do.

[00:10:13] Bryan: Oh yeah, absolutely. And we had like real friends in real space that we could go hang out with and we weren’t on the internet all of the time I was too, but like I was on, but like we also were on the internet, but also in person with people like that whole part of it is gone now, especially for the past two years, like just

[00:10:32] Christina: gone.

[00:10:33] Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I, I think about that a lot. I think about like, uh, especially, not even so much a college, I mean that, that has to suck, but especially like kids in high school, because that’s an even more like. Fucked up age. And so I think about kids like middle school, high school, I’m like, shit, you know, if all you have is the drama that happens online and you don’t even have the opportunity to deal with any of the in-person drama, [00:11:00] you know, which is different, but also sometimes better.

[00:11:03] Like you can at least get it out in the open. Um, whereas online everybody’s just catty fucking bitches. Um, like it’s, uh, God, I don’t even want to think about like what the social dynamics would be like if you’d spent the last two years, you know, at, especially if you kind of like, you’ve been like on, off, you know what I mean?

[00:11:23] It’s like, okay, we were all at home and then we were kind of in person and now we’re kind of at home again. And then there are some people like there’s this interesting New York times article, um, uh, about how generation Z. Over the pandemic and I don’t blame them. Like, I, I don’t blame a number of people who are like, yeah, I am not giving up the rest of my life anymore.

[00:11:48] I’m I’m just going to be, um, you know, um, I’m just going to try to go bond in, in, um, thank you, grant. Uh, my husband just brought me up food, [00:12:00] but like, I’m just going to try to go on and live more normally. And there’s a certain selfishness to that. Right. But I also, I feel like if I were 18 years old, there would be a big part of me who would be like, yeah, fuck it.

[00:12:11] I’m going to be vaccinated and be trying to be safe around other people, but I’m not going to not go to parties. You know what I mean? Like

[00:12:19] Bryan: my parents are like on the other side, like near 70 or like, and I’m like, stay home, stay home. And my dad is like, I am only going to live so much longer. So I’m going to do the best that I can learn.

[00:12:31] Like take precautions. But like, I’m going to go on the trips that I have planned and I’m like, I don’t love that, but also, you know, you have to, I can’t make you do things that you don’t want to do. And again, it really shouldn’t be, it shouldn’t be everybody’s responsibility to do this. No.

[00:12:50] Christina: Right. Well, that’s the thing.

[00:12:52] If there was a better way and other countries did do it better and, and, and, and it’s, and I also like the, you talk about the Alma con stuff, like [00:13:00] it’s stressful, or for me, like for mental health, like, because I’m, you know, I’m flying home, um, to my parents’ house tomorrow. Um, you know, they’re in their seventies.

[00:13:11] Um, they’ve been triple back. Um, they’ve been taking all the precautions. A very good friend of theirs has been in the hospital since before Thanksgiving with a COVID pneumonia. She’s probably not going to make it. And which is devastating. And, um, you know, and, and she, I don’t know if she had the booster or not, but she definitely had, you know, uh, think she did actually, know, but they’ve lost friends and so they’re concerned.

[00:13:37] Um, but then I’m concerned about my own thing. I’m like, okay, I am obviously going to be, and I I’m triple backs and, and I’ll be wearing my mask on the plane and everything, but I don’t know about everybody else. And with how contagious step is like, I do have like this peer I’m like, I don’t want to infect anyone, but at the same time, like this weird thing is like, I, [00:14:00] after didn’t see them for, you know, 18 months that was devastating too.

[00:14:08] you know, you have like this weird, like, kind of like trade-off thing is like, what do you do? You know, like, It it’s stressful because you don’t want to put people in harm’s way, but at the same time, kind of like your parents wanting to go on their trips me at a certain point, I’m like, all right, I can take all the precautions I can, I can know that I’m feeling well.

[00:14:25] And I don’t want to obviously get anyone sick, but is, is the better off is the better option to not see people because that feels worse in

[00:14:35] Bryan: some ways. Yup, absolutely.

[00:14:42] Brett: Hey. Yeah. Um, I, I I’m glad you had a good conversation. I don’t know what it was about. I got

[00:14:51] Bryan: Completely fine.

[00:14:52] Brett: I was reading. So I had read about log for Java or log for shell.

[00:14:56] Bryan: Uh huh.

[00:14:59] Brett: I [00:15:00] had, I understood like in general what the vulnerabilities were, but, uh, Brian posted a link that actually goes into a lot more detail about

[00:15:10] Bryan: Um,

[00:15:10] Brett: what, like, this is

[00:15:12] Bryan: It’s real fucking bad.

[00:15:13] Brett: fascinating that this hasn’t been a problem until like that.

[00:15:19] No one noticed this before. This is some, this is some just blatantly bad programming.

[00:15:25] Christina: It is. And, and I want to be, so we’re going to talk about this. Um, do we need to do a sponsor break first?

[00:15:31] Brett: Yeah. Hey, I wrote, I wrote up the, uh, the first sponsor reads so that it didn’t have any of my personal stuff in it. And if you want to take it, I would be much obliged.

[00:15:42] Bryan: All right.

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[00:17:14] Bryan: No.

[00:17:14] Brett: and like some of their stuff, like they have boxes for people who drink and smoke and, and I don’t do either of those things anymore. Uh, but, um, I’m super curious to try the music boxes. I love music stuff, even if I’m not listening to music anymore.

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[00:17:36] Bryan: I run into that too. I’m not listening to music hardly at all anymore, and it’s a thing I’m trying to figure out a balance for, because I listened to so many podcasts

[00:17:45] Christina: all the time, right? Yeah. No, that is a weird thing where like, and I don’t know. Have you noticed this Brian, like, um, you, you used to commute and for your, you still working.

[00:17:55] Bryan: Yeah. I’m I’m still working from home and I’ve been like working from home permanently, but [00:18:00] I used to drive a lot

[00:18:01] Christina: for work. Right, right. And I don’t know about you, but like, for me, when I had that like commute time, that was my podcast or audio book time. And so the rest of my listening was like music.

[00:18:13] And now, because I don’t have like that, you know, like, you know, hour and a half a day or whatever, like my music time, it becomes more difficult, I guess, because I probably do listen to more podcasts and other stuff.

[00:18:27] Bryan: Absolutely. I agree. A hundred, 110%, which I’ve learned is one of my catchphrases 110%. I say that all the time.

[00:18:35] But yeah, I don’t, I don’t know when to figure out to listen to music because like I get caught in this, like, we’ll have some Institute in the right mode. I can’t just be doing other things at the same time and yeah.

[00:18:47] Brett: have two things to tell you, and I’ll try not to be long-winded first, uh, audio books. I, I, I just finished my second time through a fall or Dodge in [00:19:00] hell. Uh, the main character gets his brain like scanned after he dies and gets put into like a digital world. And he’s the first one there and he becomes God, but then another person comes in, kicks him out and he becomes the fallen angel, like the devil.

[00:19:14] And it’s this whole world that it’s, it’s bizarre. And then I went backwards and th that was by Neil Stevenson. So I, I picked up an older book of his called ream D, which is read me misspelled. Um,

[00:19:31] Bryan: Hmm.

[00:19:32] Brett: and I didn’t realize it, but I’m getting started and it’s the same characters, but before they were dead and it’s a real trip, um,

[00:19:41] it’s weird to read it in reverse.

[00:19:44] Christina: that, that that’s them. Okay. So where you supposed to read it? And the opposite.

[00:19:48] Brett: They were published in the opposite order. So ideally, yes. I just it’s like one’s in the real world and one isn’t, so it’s almost incomparable, but [00:20:00] it’s like getting the origin story for a hero.

[00:20:05] Christina: no, I was going to say, I love that. I remember a completely genre, but I remember one of the first Freddie Pinellas books I read was, was not his first book, less than zero. And I think it was rules of attraction was the first one I read. But there was a reference to some of the less than zero characters.

[00:20:22] I remember when I read less than zero being like, oh yeah. Okay. That’s where that person comes from. has other books, like a character show up in glamour, Rama, and I’m an American psycho and stuff like that. But, uh, that’s always fun. I think when you do the inverse of what you’re supposed to do where you’re like, oh, okay, this is the origin story of this that I experienced in this other way.

[00:20:44] Brett: Story of my life.

[00:20:46] Christina: Yeah, which also funnily enough character from story of my life in glamour Roma, but that’s even different authors.

[00:20:53] Brett: Like, I feel like you shouldn’t have anal sex until you’ve had vaginal sex, unless you’re gay. And that’s like, and [00:21:00] that’s your, your option,

[00:21:02] Bryan: I was totally above.

[00:21:04] Brett: 4, 4, 4, 4, a straight man. Like, I, I feel like anal. Isn’t interesting until you’ve had vaginal personal opinion, don’t at

[00:21:17] Bryan: Okay. Okay.

[00:21:18] Brett: cause I

[00:21:19] Bryan: Okay.

[00:21:20] Brett: and, and

[00:21:22] Bryan: oh, interesting.

[00:21:23] Brett: yeah, it, it, I feel like it might, my experience would have been different if I had more background that said the other thing I was going to tell you was, not about anal sex.

[00:21:36] It was.

[00:21:38] Bryan: I was going to

[00:21:38] Christina: say, I cannot believe I’m learning so much. This is really interesting.

[00:21:42] Brett: It was last night. My girlfriend says to me, my girlfriend says, she says, think I would like Adele, at which point I realized she hadn’t heard a Dell.

[00:21:53] Bryan: Oh,

[00:21:54] Brett: and I’m not like a die hard fan, but I, I, love and respect a [00:22:00] Dell.

[00:22:00] Bryan: yeah.

[00:22:01] Brett: so I, I, we started with a rolling in the deep, just,

[00:22:06] Christina: Yes. You got to go with the greatest. Yeah.

[00:22:08] Brett: the greatest hits.

[00:22:09] And she was like, oh yeah, I have heard this, but we gave it a good listen. then we moved on, uh, through 21 and into whatever that 30 is that the new one. Um, and got just a, kind of a broad range of Adele. And I realized in the process. Her voice is better than I ever realized.

[00:22:31] Bryan: Yes.

[00:22:32] Brett: it is phenomenal.

[00:22:35] Like it’s, it’s, it’s chilling to listen to. so I have a new found respect for Adele and it is the first time I’ve actually sat and intentionally listen to music in a long time. It was kind of.

[00:22:50] Christina: I would love to hear Brian’s take on this because you are actually the vocal, like master of the three of us.

[00:22:56] Bryan: Um, yeah, I love, I love [00:23:00] a bell. I, I, let me say this. I love a girl’s voice. I think one of the things that is really amazing is with Adele. She’s an incredible example of how a voice matures as you get older and that there, that you can discover like depths and colors and tones that you didn’t have access to before.

[00:23:22] And I think that’s what we’re hearing and 30, which is a really special opportunity, uh, to do with somebody like Adele, because it’s so rare that you have artists. Like Adele, another great example of this, this Taylor swift, who has continued to mature, but like we don’t see so many artists anymore that we get to sort of really chart them over their entire time.

[00:23:51] Um, they’ve I mean, Adele’s been doing this for us for like over

[00:23:55] Christina: 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the first time most of us heard her, I certainly first time I ever [00:24:00] heard her was she was on Saturday night, live in 2008, the episode that Sarah Palin, um, uh, hosted, which was one of the most viewed episodes ever, because, you know, that was the same season that Tina Fey was doing her impression.

[00:24:16] And, um, uh, and that, and that was the episode where Amy Poehler famously had the wrap and the weekend update, which was just like, she was so pregnant. She was just like going at it. Um, but, um, you know, she was the musical guest for that episode, which. Talk about pressure. I mean, I can’t even imagine, you know, you have, like, I think it was one of the highest rated episodes of the show it had in years and years.

[00:24:40] And, uh, she nailed it. And I remember watching it with grant and being like, holy shit, who is this? You know, and just being like, okay, well I’m a fan now. And you’re right. You know, we’ve been watching her for, you know, four albums and it’s like, her voice has matured and [00:25:00] gotten better. And I, uh, I was making a comparison to my mom, um, uh, to Barbara Streisand.

[00:25:07] And my mom was kind of disagreeing a little bit, but I was able to, I think maybe pull her in to me. Like she does remind me of Barbara in the sense that like, both of them at very young ages had very mature voices, but their voices did improve. Like you said, and kind of grow over time. The difference being it’d be like what in Barbara Streisand was huge obviously in, in, in the seventies and stuff.

[00:25:29] But like, imagine if Barbara Streisand was like the biggest star in the world, Which I think is interesting about her because she’s got this amazing talent and this like truly amazing gift and the type of music that she sings and the stuff that she does, like is not even the typical, like diva, like Whitney Houston, Christina Aguilera, like Brian Carey, like those type of vocal goddesses thing.

[00:25:52] Like it’s a different type of voice. And you know what I mean? Like, like it is this kind of older throwback voice that we haven’t had in [00:26:00] our generation. Like, I can’t think of anybody

[00:26:03] that we’ve had. Who’s

[00:26:04] Brett: Chad Kruger.

[00:26:06] Christina: okay. I mean, look at this photograph. Of course I am forgetting about a

[00:26:11] Nickelback. Thank you.

[00:26:12] Brett: think you would know who that was. And I was going to

[00:26:14] Christina: Oh,

[00:26:14] Brett: of explaining nickel back to you, but

[00:26:17] Christina: oh no.

[00:26:17] I, I,

[00:26:18] I,

[00:26:18] Brett: for me.

[00:26:19] Christina: I, I unfortunately know nickel back. Uh, this is how you remind me bitch. Um,

[00:26:25] Brett: that up on Wikipedia.

[00:26:27] Bryan: C, C.

[00:26:28] Brett: it feels like we need a Nickelback joke at this point. So I, I went to Wikipedia, did the homework and turns out

[00:26:34] Christina: You did the homework well for, for the audience, don’t, don’t listen to Nickelback, but, um,

[00:26:41] Bryan: you know, I told you all about the time, just as a side note bill for like, really you do not need to listen to, um, we’re going to add a creed into

[00:26:49] Christina: that group. My fucking God. Yes.

[00:26:52] Bryan: However,

[00:26:53] Brett: new girl last night and

[00:26:55] Bryan: I have created stories.

[00:26:56] Brett: been to like 48 creed shows. And to me, that’s a red [00:27:00] flag.

[00:27:01] Bryan: I, in 2009, uh, so this would have been the 2009, no, 2003. So let’s go much further back in college with two, I think maybe my first pride ever in Cleveland and they were having a talent show called like, um, Cleveland pride, pride, rainbow idle, and I won Cleveland pride, rainbow idle singing creeds, arms wide open.

[00:27:28] Christina: That’s amazing. That is amazing.

[00:27:30] Bryan: Especially because I had no idea that they were a Christian band at the time. Oh

[00:27:33] Christina: yeah, well, yeah. W with their Christian S uh, was, was the whole thing. Um, so I knew people who like a guy that I used to work with this was way back in the day, like used to, like his cousin was in creed at one point and whatnot.

[00:27:48] And I used to hear stories about what a Dick, uh, what was his name? Scott staff was. But my favorite story ever was when the people on speaking of like asshole Lish, like trolls, like when [00:28:00] you’re in college, I’ll never forget this. I remember this happened in life journal. It was like peak live journal was this girl, met him at a bar at an airport and gave him her friend’s number.

[00:28:12] And the friend started texting with him and got him to have his sister drive him to a Denny’s in some like part of Florida, like an hour and a half away from where he was like hookup for a booty call. And all of these college kids showed up at the Denny’s and like took photographic evidence. It like picking up like this, you know, kind of like, you know, like coked out, like drunk Scott staff, like looking for some girl to hook up with.

[00:28:41] And then I think some other girl wound up taking him home. Didn’t do anything with him. And, but he was just like scrounging for like wanting drugs and stuff. And she just like, let him sleep it off, like at our apartment or whatever. And then like he went back the next day. I don’t remember all the details of this story, except that it was like peak live [00:29:00] journal in college.

[00:29:00] That was like one of the most amazing things I ever remember about creating.

[00:29:03] Bryan: That was amazing. That was so basic. Oh my gosh. Speaking of live journal, literally still have a friend today that I made on live journal that I’ve never met in person, but now. We now live just like a couple hours away. Cause they live well, not a couple, but they live in San Francisco.

[00:29:22] Um, but when we became friends on live journal, they were living in like Sweden. That’s

[00:29:28] Christina: so cool. I live journal is like my, why my first true, like social media, like loves

[00:29:35] it. And it was one of the only ones that had like, it had shit, right? Like you, the way that the friends list works and the way that you could make things that were only viewable to some people and the way that, you know, like the, the way the feed works, like it was, it was really ahead of it.

[00:29:49] Brett: I never use live journal. I thought it was like blogger. Is it a whole social network?

[00:29:55] Christina: Kind of kind of, so you could use it like a blogger, but the way that it [00:30:00] started was, uh, was, was Brad, um, uh, Fitzpatrick who, um, I’ve because of a journal I’ve known for 20 years now. Um, he created it to keep up with his college friends for people to kind of check in with one another. And so the idea would be like you had a blog, but you could also be friends with people and you would see on your friends list their posts.

[00:30:18] So it’s kind of like a tumbler dashboard. Um,

[00:30:21] Brett: like tumbling.

[00:30:22] Christina: tumbler ripped off a lot of stuff with it, but one of the differentiating things was, is you could also choose whether you want it to make a post private friends only, or if you only wanted to show it to a select group of friends. And that was really unique.

[00:30:37] They also had communities, uh, pretty early on so that you could also be part of community. So it was sort of a hybrid. Kind of like, almost like, like Facebook groups, um, uh, you know, but, but earlier where people could, could post, you know, messages and posts that would appear to community members in your feed, it was, um, like tumbler really.

[00:30:57] What’s kind of like a different [00:31:00] kind of, I guess, take on it, but then it did have, you know, if you just wanted to use it as a blog, it was a Pearl based blogging system. So, um, it was a bit, but I think it, it, I think it predated blogger and if it didn’t predate blogger, like they were literally at the same time, but they were, they were slightly different because blogger never had that network effect.

[00:31:21] So like, oftentimes you would meet people, at least how I met people is that you would have people on your friends list and then you would see them comment on stuff, or maybe they would, you know, to link to someone’s posts or you would go to their feed, like, and you could view like their, their feed, like at least the public stuff.

[00:31:36] And you’d be like, oh, this person looks interesting. I’m going to add them as a friend. And because. The internet was slightly different than, I mean, it was still terrible, but it was slightly different. It was smaller. Like you could, you know, meet people like, and find interesting people who live in places like Sweden, who might have similar interests as you.

[00:31:56] And like, I became friends with Brad who created it because I [00:32:00] followed his blog obviously. Cause he was, you know, that was another concept that you had people who you could be followed as you could usuals where you would both show up or you can just follow someone and see their posts. And, um, remember like, you know, we became friends in the comments of his blog and I, I wound up dating two of his college roommates, and uh, we’ve remained friends for 20 years and like, just, it’s just crazy to me.

[00:32:24] Like there are, there are other people in my life too that I’ve met through, through live journal, but it’s, it’s crazy to me like, like you Brian, like, like there are people that eat, there are people who I still never met in person, or I’ve met only once, but have remained like had online, you know, friendships.

[00:32:40] That I, that were reading my shit. When I was a high school student,

[00:32:45] Bryan: I found my life journal. Oh my God.

[00:32:49] Brett: Like just now, like you could put it in the show notes.

[00:32:52] Bryan: I could put it in the show notes. Wow. I may have to do that. This is, this is, this is wild. I have [00:33:00] to regroup. Yeah. I was going

[00:33:01] Christina: to, I was going to say, this was one of the other nice things about live journal by default. It was not indexed by Google and you would have to opt into it, which huge when your primary demographic is like teenagers or young adults.

[00:33:17] Because like, all of my electrical is just like high school, like senior high school through like college axed. So a lot of mine is just like drama sort of bullshit and stuff that I would not want. People too, you know what I mean? Like I, at this point enough time has passed. I don’t think I’d care, but it was my diary.

[00:33:36] You know what I mean? And so if it’s not the sort of thing, you’d want somebody to Google and find. Um, so did, but it didn’t have that feature. It was also, um, you familiar with memcache D Brett. Okay. So, so Brad creative and patchy, because he needed to find a way to scale live journal and keep it

[00:33:56] Brett: Oh,

[00:33:56] Christina: is even as, you know, a college kid who [00:34:00] created this thing, that then became this massive social network.

[00:34:04] and this was before you had people who would just give you tens of millions of dollars for that idea. So, um, for the first four or five years of his life, he was completely self-funded. They had, um, invites. That was how they at the scale at a certain way. So you had to get, you had to either pay for an invite code or someone had to invite you.

[00:34:22] You had to buy like a premium plan of like $15 a year or something. And that was how they paid for servers. But, uh, it was, uh, but then cashed you was, was created so that it would basically not like fall apart. And, uh, and that’s one of my favorite stories about it is that like this very important thing that is responsible for most of like the, the modern, like, like web 2.0 thing you know, something that, that Brad created out of necessity for live journal.

[00:34:52] Bryan: Oh yeah,

[00:34:53] Brett: quite the, little journey we just went on there.

[00:34:56] Bryan: we did. We

[00:34:57] Brett: We hit one of Christina’s magic [00:35:00] buttons. Um,

[00:35:02] Bryan: Um, yeah.

[00:35:03] Brett: our show notes did not include anal sex. Our

[00:35:07] Bryan: Nope,

[00:35:07] Brett: did not include creed or Nickelback. Our show notes did not include live journal. This has been, this show is it’s a beast of its own.

[00:35:16] Bryan: it is. It is.

[00:35:17] Christina: But, but we, we, we, we touched on this a little bit, but I want to talk more about this because I’m shocked that Brett didn’t know more about this. log for shell. Um, Brian, how, how shitty has your workweek been? Because of the,

[00:35:32] Bryan: honestly, I’m not too te