267: Bad at Drug Dealing

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[00:00:00] Christina: You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra and Brett. What? We’ve got to like another special guest.

[00:00:11] Brett: I it’s a, it’s a repeat guest. I liked him so much. The first time around. I thought I’d bring him back. We have, uh, Victor grunted Jr. With us today. Hi

[00:00:20] Christina: Ooh.

[00:00:22] Victor: Good to hear. Y’all.

[00:00:23] Brett: Yeah. Um, so I had Victor and Aaron on, uh, what was it? Two weeks ago? A couple of weeks ago. Yeah. So since then I pulled my, my whole leg job title shenanigans. And, uh, I don’t know if Victor listened to the last episode yet or

[00:00:41] Victor: I

[00:00:41] Brett: not, but I, uh, I had a good conversation with Aaron about, uh, my, how guilty I feel and how I don’t want to screw anyone over a good conversation there.

[00:00:53] Uh, I’ll tell you a little bit about it after we go to like mental health corner and whatnot, but how are you Christina?[00:01:00]

[00:01:00] Christina: I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. I’m officially in vacation mode, which is nice. Although, ironically, I’m recording this from my office at Microsoft, because I had to come in today to record a video like my last year, but it was like a completely half-assed video. I mean, it was good, but like I was writing the script, like in the Uber on the way to the office, like it was one of those sorts of things because I’m off, like I’m not getting paid for today.

[00:01:23] Well, I mean, I guess I am technically, but

[00:01:25] Brett: Your

[00:01:25] Christina: you know, well, well, no, but you know what I mean? It’s a vacation day, so it is different. Um, like you, you guys have the unlimited vacation scam. Okay. So, yeah, so I don’t have the unlimited vacation scam. I have like the actual you get paid for certain days, and then they, you know, like will catalog other days is vacation.

[00:01:44] Then you get paid for those, um, sort of thing, uh, which is not a scam. Uh, and especially if you live in the state of California, uh, which I do not, but, um, anyway, I’m technically not working today, but I am working today. So I’m, I’m like, but I’m off for the rest of the year. So I’m just like [00:02:00] very excited.

[00:02:01] Brett: They, uh, they told us at Oracle that, uh, nobody should work between Christmas and new years, uh, that the offices were closed and no one was going to be here. So it was like mandatory vacation, but then there were like, um, Hey, so if you want to take off, you know, a week before or after you just put it on the calendar and kind of like gently nudged us to take some time off.

[00:02:25] Cause we’d met, we’d met our stretch goals for the year were we’re six months into the fiscal year and our team. I already met our stretch goals for content. So they’re basically telling us to just chill out for a little bit. So I took next, I took next week off and the week off between Christmas and new year’s.

[00:02:46] So

[00:02:47] Christina: Hell. Yeah. That’s, that’s very, very good. I like that. They did that. I liked that they’re forcing you to do that. Um, I do not get forced to do that because, uh, instead of what happens in, and I guess it’s, they’re forcing back. I mean, we’re encouraged [00:03:00] make no mistake like we’re and no one’s going to be working.

[00:03:02] It’s like, we’re very much encouraged to take time off, but like, for me more of the forcing function is that only, um, you can only carry over days into the fall and into the next year, like, uh, like up to, up to one year’s.

[00:03:14] worth. So I have, like, I had like close to two years of CEDA vacation, but only one year would go forward.

[00:03:21] So I’m carrying three weeks over into next year because I didn’t take it from this year. But from the period in time, from the year before would have gone away. So I had like 82 outward. Now I actually have more than that had, uh, nineties 98 hours that I had to take. So otherwise I would lose.

[00:03:37] Brett: like Victor and I, we don’t have to, we don’t have to do those mathematical calculations.

[00:03:42] Christina: Which is,

[00:03:43] Brett: we just take time off whenever the fuck we want to. And I have taken my time off. I do not consider this a scam. They are very supportive of like, oh yeah, he’s off

[00:03:52] Christina: I’m not saying Oracle’s a scam. I’m saying the concept of not paying people for vacation as a scam and it

[00:03:56] Brett: understand. We’ve been

[00:03:57] Christina: correct. I’m just saying, cause if you leave the [00:04:00] company, you don’t get paid for those days. That would be remaining.

[00:04:04] Brett: We also like our team due to an ambiguity in our job tickets. Um, we are, we all have to submit, uh, hours, like time sheets. And we can, like, we submit the exact same time every week. Uh, like we’re paid as if we’re salary. It doesn’t, we don’t get approved for overtime, but we still have to submit the time cards, but we can get them, uh, approved in advance.

[00:04:31] So I figure if I always stay a couple months ahead on my time cards, if they fire me, I’ll still be approved to be paid for the next couple months. have no idea if that will work or not.

[00:04:45] Christina: Uh, probably not, but it’s a nice thought.

[00:04:49] Brett: Victor, you got some time off, right?

[00:04:52] Victor: Uh, Yeah. actually I looked at the team calendar and I was Like you know what, practically everyone’s off next week. So I’m just going to take the whole week off [00:05:00] too.

[00:05:00] Brett: Yeah. Like what’s the point?

[00:05:02] Christina: I

[00:05:02] Brett: no one would be there for you to even crack jokes to

[00:05:08] Victor: uh, yeah, which is part of my job function.

[00:05:11] Brett: Christina.

[00:05:12] Christina: joke. You’re the joke guy, team comedian.

[00:05:16] Brett: Our whole team is supposed to be funny. We’ve talked about that. We’re working on it. Uh, Victor’s definitely going to help with that. Um, I got to hook you up with Aaron, Christina to talk about, uh, doing videos for Debra. Cause she’s just getting started on it and uh, she could use your expertise. I think

[00:05:35] Christina: I’d be very happy to help.

[00:05:37] Brett: we all could use your expertise.

[00:05:40] We, we have, we have these strong intentions of, of creating great video content and we all have some background in video and, and YouTube and, and editing and all of that. But doing it in this context is it’s new ground for all of us. I think.

[00:05:59] Christina: [00:06:00] Yeah. And, and, and video’s hard. Like people think that it’s easy and it’s

[00:06:03] Brett: it’s so hard.

[00:06:05] Christina: And, you know, it’s one of those things. The reason is it’s like anything else it’s easy because people are, who are good at it and make it look easy, but it’s, it’s difficult. And, and you’ve got to get the right tone, which you guys will, but I’ll be happy to help out, especially since you’re doing things remotely.

[00:06:18] Like I’m lucky I’m not having to do everything remotely anymore. I have a studio, but it it’s, it’s a whole other thing, but Yeah. I’ll be happy to give a, uh, an OBS and other sorts of insights and, and um, tips

[00:06:30] Brett: and technique and like, just like, I would love to hear about your workflow. Like how, when you sit down to make a video from like script to cut, I’d like to hear like how it goes. W w we’ll we’ll have a, we’ll have an offline conference about that.

[00:06:46] Christina: Awesome.

[00:06:47] Brett: So how’s your mental health?

[00:06:49] Christina: It’s okay. Um, I haven’t been sleeping Well, this week, but again, I think it’s partly a attribute to the whole like half on vacation half, not cause like I worked for. [00:07:00] Okay. So at the end of last week, I took, had to take Thursday and Friday off. And so I wouldn’t lose days. And then I had to work Monday and Tuesday, and then I’ve been off yesterday and today and tomorrow. so my sleep schedule was totally fucked, but, uh, other than that, it’s pretty good. I fly out on Sunday. I will be in Atlanta for 10 days. Um, and, uh, I think, I feel like my mental health is pretty good. How, how how’s yours?

[00:07:24] Brett: Well, so let’s hear from Victor first. Cause I, I, mine might take a minute. Victor, how’s your mental health?

[00:07:32] Victor: Yeah. Mine’s pretty straight forward. I’ve been feeling pretty good. You know, I’ve, uh, taken care of myself, had a, my best friend’s dog died over the weekend. Oh no, I’m so sorry. Yeah. And so I’ve just kind of, you know, you know, sometimes that, I don’t know if it distracts us or what it is, but we just have to kind of step up and put our own shit aside and help them deal with their stuff.

[00:07:53] So that’s been, you know, that’s been mostly what I’ve been dealing with that. [00:08:00] I refinanced my house, so I have a whole bunch of money to play with. And so that feels good. Just like from the security staff, it’s paying crap off and thing, it is the holidays. So, you know, like, okay. Even though that we’re doing a simple holiday and I’m super lucky to get to see my kids on Christmas Eve, so that’s great.

[00:08:17] Yeah. I’m good. What’s that? How old are your kids now? Oh, man. Uh, my oldest is going to turn 20 next month and my youngest yeah. Just became an adult at 18 and he just got his own like fully fledged bank account so he can get a Robin hood account so he can start like, messing about with stocks, which he’s been dying to do.

[00:08:38] So it’s going to be great. Nice, nice east. He’s going to go game stock on everyone. Oh,

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[00:08:50] Brett: It would be, yeah, let’s do it. Let’s

[00:08:53] Christina: I was going to say live, let’s do that. And then we’ll come back to your mental health stuff. Do we want.

[00:08:56] Brett: Yeah. That’s perfect.

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[00:10:11] More mental health

[00:10:11] Brett: Perfect. So Victor. Ever read the book tier soup.

[00:10:16] Victor: Uh,

[00:10:17] Brett: Uh, when my, my pit bull AMA, uh, died, Mike Rose sent me a copy of a book called tear soup, and it was so meaningful to me. And like, it’s what I send now when people people’s pets die, like it’s, it’s, it’s about grief it’s and it’s about like humans dying, but it’s super applicable to people who have lost pets that they were close to.

[00:10:50] Um, and it is just like, you can like click the care button on a Facebook post and like, feel like you’re expressing [00:11:00] your, but sending that book, it will mean a lot to whoever it gets it. I highly recommend it. Let me add to your suit to our

[00:11:09] Christina: please add it. Actually, thank you for that. My, uh, my aunt and uncle their, um, their dog who was only two and a half just died suddenly, like, and it was shocking because if his age is, um, uh, uh, um, yellow lab and, uh, I’m, I’m gonna have my mom send that to them. So thank you for that.

[00:11:29] Brett: Yeah, it is. It’s so good. Um, let’s see. So, uh, yeah, I was going to talk about that. And then I was going to say, I have, for like three weeks, I’ve been stable and it has been great. I feel like I might be spending too much time with my girlfriend. Um, I think she might need a break for me because when I’m, when I’m stable, I just want to hang out.

[00:11:55] Like I’m a little puppy and I just want to be like, Hey, what are you up to? What are you doing? What are you doing? Hey, let’s, [00:12:00] let’s hang out. Let’s you want to watch a show? Let’s do this. And I think she needs a little space. So it’s

[00:12:05] Christina: She’s she’s she’s she’s like, all right, bro. Love you. Um, can, can, can we, can I maybe like have some time.

[00:12:12] Brett: Yeah. And she’s pretty good about asking for that when, when she really needs it. Like when it’s at like crisis level, she’s very good at like, I just need not you right now. Um, but when she’s, when she’s in a good place and I’m in a good place, I feel like I might, I might overextend her and she’s too nice to say anything about it.

[00:12:32] But I also, I’ve been waking up earlier every day, so far this week, and I have a feeling I might be going slightly manic, which will make me spend more time in my office. So she’ll get a break. And hopefully with my med changes, I won’t go like full on manic and like lose sleep and everything. So maybe things are good.

[00:12:55] Christina: That would be amazing.

[00:12:57] Brett: Yeah.

[00:12:58] Christina: I hope So

[00:12:59] Brett: [00:13:00] So in reference to, uh, our work shenanigans, I made this realization when I was like going through, like how, how will my actions affect my coworkers and talking with Aaron? And I realized, okay, If I’m in a position to advocate for my coworkers, if I’m in a place to say, this is what they’re really good at, and this is what they deserve recognition for coming from me, coming from a white male, uh, that just sounds like good management.

[00:13:36] Like no matter what I said or how I try to like push credit to other people, that’s just seen as like good qualities for a manager. And fortunately our, our, the, the triumvirate that has focused down to one manager, she’s a woman. And I feel like my white male privilege gets checked a little bit by that, but I’ve just [00:14:00] realized I could accidentally advance in my career just by virtue of being a white male.

[00:14:07] Christina: You you, you just realize.

[00:14:09] Brett: Well, no, I mean, academically, I understood this, but it never was so obvious in practice to me that no matter what I tried to do, it just made me look like I was ready for advancement. I think that’s probably true for Victor too. I just have like three months of seniority on.

[00:14:31] Victor: no, I think you’re absolutely right. Yeah. For myself, I’m just speaking for myself. Yeah, man, that must be so nice.

[00:14:37] Brett: Yeah.

[00:14:38] Christina: Honestly, you can’t relate to that sort of thing. I mean, I’ve been given promotions and stuff without asking before, but I’ve never just by like virtue of just existing been able to like accidentally and, and obviously you, you both work, especially like you both work your butts off, so I’m not like trying to like claim otherwise, but, um, Yeah.

[00:14:55] Brett: Yeah. No offense taken. It’s just true.

[00:14:59] Christina: it is. [00:15:00]

[00:15:00] Brett: And I wanna, like, I want to figure out, especially because like Aaron is a woman in the tech world and I want to make sure that whatever’s good for me is good for my team and good for Aaron. And like, I don’t necessarily know how to do that.

[00:15:24] Christina: So I would say. Uh, offering people opportunities is one of the big ones, because I think one of the biggest kind of unchecked areas of being like, uh, a dude in tech, um, uh, white men specifically, but not exclusively, um, is that a lot of times people will offer you opportunities and we’ll give you, uh, you know, uh, just, you know, uh, allow you to, to, to kind of take projects and run with things or, or let you do things without you even feeling like you have to ask or try.

[00:15:54] It’s just kinda like, Hey, Brett, want to take this on? And, or do you want to give this presentation or do you want to do this? [00:16:00] And, um, those are the things that can lead to advance to advancement. And that leads to people, seeing you as having, you know, like expertise and, and other stuff. So offering that to, um, uh, the other people on your team, um, especially like, like women and people of color, uh, would be in my opinion, like a good thing of.

[00:16:23] Brett: Yeah, well, there’s this, this question of greed where like, I, I want to advance, um, like at what point do I turn something away in favor of someone else? Like when, like I have, I have to figure out where I need to stop being selfish. And I guess like if I saw that someone else was more qualified than me, I would have no problem saying

[00:16:51] Christina: no, totally well, but I also think, and sometimes it’s even in a case where it’s not even like a, I think that’s an easy one. It’s easy when somebody is clearly [00:17:00] more qualified where it’s hard is if somebody isn’t necessarily more qualified, maybe they’re the same, but you’re like, I want to do this And I think at that point, then what it becomes, and this is true for a lot of people.

[00:17:12] Like I have to kind of remind myself of this too. Is that like, okay, how many opportunities have I had and how many opportunities has this person had and who is this going to make a more meaningful, like different stuff.

[00:17:21] Brett: Yeah. That makes sense. Huh?

[00:17:24] Christina: I’ve had, I’ve had to make that decision before, and it’s a, it’s not easy sometimes. Right. And, and, and, and, and, and when I say like, like, who is it going to like a meaningful thing? I don’t mean the bullshit. Like, I was once passed over for a promotion because they were like, oh, well, Dave has a family.

[00:17:42] Right. And, and, and like, and like, that’s fucked up, right? Like, like, I don’t give a shit if Dave has a family, um, if I’m more qualified for the job, then, then I should, I should get the job. But I do mean like, okay, if all things being equal, I’m getting this opportunity to do something. But I have a lot [00:18:00] of other things that have come my way too.

[00:18:01] And maybe somebody on my team, I think, especially if you’re a manager, it’s a little bit, it’s slightly different when you’re, you’re an IC. But I think even then, if you’re wanting to truly like, kind of like trying to, to better things for everyone, you kind of look and go, Hey, this person hasn’t had any opportunities and, and this, this might be a good chance for them to do it.

[00:18:18] Right. You know, it, it. It is that weird thing, like you say it trying to decide how selfish do I want to be, but if you’ve had a lot of opportunities around stuff, and if it’s not something that like, you feel like in your bones, like I was made to do this, and this is a really important thing to me, which a lot of things are not, then it, it, it’s not bad to be like, Hey, maybe you should give it to so-and-so or, or offer them that opportunity.

[00:18:44] The weird thing is that sometimes that isn’t always accepted. And if it isn’t like, if somebody says, no, we’d rather have you do it. Okay. Fair enough. You tried. Right. You can only go. So.

[00:18:54] Brett: W when, when I have a more specific, uh, when, when this comes up [00:19:00] again for me, um, I, you will be among the people that I, I talked to for a guidance, uh, your input as someone who, whose career has followed a similar trajectory. Yeah. I’ll let you know

[00:19:16] Christina: Okay. I

[00:19:16] Brett: now. Everything’s

[00:19:17] Christina: handle all that. No, and, and I think you’ll do it well. I mean, also I will say this, like, don’t let guilt, like don’t, don’t beat yourself up with guilt. You know what I mean?

[00:19:28] Brett: Yeah. I have a hard time with that.

[00:19:31] Christina: I do too, but it’s also like, there’s a certain point where a lot of times, I think, especially, um, in the last year, so a lot of people want to say the right things and are performative about like the ways they would improve things.

[00:19:41] And that’s great that we all want to improve things. Like I’m all about that. But at a certain point, there is a certain thing where it’s like, people are still ultimately going to do the things that are right for them. And I don’t feel like it’s inappropriate expectation for somebody to say, okay, um, I should, I should accept [00:20:00] less.

[00:20:00] Or, or, you know, like, like if somebody said, okay, well you get paid so much more than so many other people. You need to take a pay cut or give your salary to someone else. No, I can advocate and try to get more balanced, but I’m not going to like give up. I’m not going to swap salaries with someone just because of like systemic injustice like that.

[00:20:18] That’s just not the world that we live in. Uh, people who will do that, uh, more power to you. I would like to meet that person genuine.

[00:20:24] Brett: I think I might do that. Like if I felt again, like if someone was. Equally qualified for a promotion, just as an example. Uh, and, and I saw that I had a far better chance than they did simply by virtue of my race, ethnicity, gender. I, I feel like maybe it would just be to assuage my own guilt. I don’t know.

[00:20:49] But

[00:20:49] Christina: And we’ll look, you, you, you’re not putting yourself up for the promotion as one thing, But

[00:20:53] if you’re offered it, are you saying that you would, you would turn down the promotion, you would say no, I want you to give it to this person.

[00:20:58] Brett: I think, I think I [00:21:00] have it in me to do that.

[00:21:01] Christina: Well, I mean, that’s cool. What I, but I wasn’t even talking about that. I was saying like somebody saying, okay, you make this much money. This person makes this much money switch.

[00:21:09] Brett: Yeah. That

[00:21:09] Christina: like that, that, that I’m not, I’m not down with. Right. Um, but if you are saying you would you would, you know, if offered something, but I would also say a lot of cases, these aren’t zero-sum games, you know what I mean?

[00:21:22] Like if you were to turn down that promotion that is in no way a guarantee that someone else will get it in their place, like, that’s not how that works. So you have to take those things into consideration too. Right? Like it’s really noble for people to think that, but like, that’s not actually how that works most of the time.

[00:21:40] Unfortunately.

[00:21:41] Brett: I feel like in a case where they wanted you to switch salaries with somebody, which I don’t think is a real thing,

[00:21:46] Christina: No.

[00:21:47] Brett: if it were, I feel like in the corporate world, you can just make you just add the budget and make the other person make the same

[00:21:57] Christina: No. That’s what I’m saying. That, that this is my point, [00:22:00] right? Is, is that we, we, we live in these sorts of systems with the same thing, goes with promos, right? Like, you know, if, if they are offering you a promo and if, if someone else doesn’t get it, like if it’s, you know, there’s not necessarily like it, a lot of, a lot of the, the, the leveling stuff is, is arbitrary.

[00:22:20] Um, and, and if you were to say, no, I don’t want to take this. That’s not a guarantee that they will actually give it to the person that, that you think is more, you know, um, worthy.

[00:22:31] TV and bad drug dealers

[00:22:31] Brett: Yeah. What a fun game. Hey Victor, what are you watching on TV right now?

[00:22:38] Christina: Oh, my gosh, what am I watching? Well, there’s a hot guy, I guess, would be the only new

[00:22:42] Brett: Oh, has that

[00:22:42] Christina: with. Yeah. It’s almost done. It’s so fricking good.

[00:22:45] I haven’t caught up on the most recent episode, but it’s really good. Um, and I don’t even like Jeremy Renner and I kinda can’t stand Jeremy Renner and yet I like him. I like Hawkeye Hailee Steinfeld. [00:23:00] Isn’t it. She’s amazing. She’s really good. She like, um, uh, originally I think apparently like apple had her, she got out of the contract.

[00:23:10] Clearly. She CA like had her back, but, or whoever her agent is, I’m assuming she’s repped by CA. Um, a TV plus they’re like, oh, well you can’t do anything for any other streamer. And, uh, you know, as you got the Hawkeye offering, clearly they, they like went, you know, like the Asians went and hammered away, like at that clause. And they were like, mm, no, That’s kind of a ridiculous thing. We were talking, you’re not talking like seven year contracts with TV shows where you’re, you know, booked for six months at a time, you know, you’re talking about like six episodes of something.

[00:23:44] Like that’s a little ridiculous to be like, oh, you’re on an apple TV plus show. You can’t ever do a show for Netflix or Amazon or Disney or whoever. Um, but, uh, no, she’s really, really good in it. And, uh, uh, he’s good in it. Like, it’s, it’s good.[00:24:00]

[00:24:00] Brett: That’s alright. Yeah, I gotta get my shit together and start watching that, I guess.

[00:24:05] Christina: I think he would appreciate us. Sorry. Well, yeah, I have, I have seen literally this episode and that’s the thing is that like you see him get progressively, wearier like more tired. Cause he’s, I mean, it’s, it’s a classic, I’m not spoiling anything by saying he’s trying to get home in time for Christmas. So it’s, it’s like planes, trains and automobiles in the Marvel universe.

[00:24:25] Uh, and, and I think Brett you’ll appreciate just as sort of like general exhaustion. Um, and, and, and then the sort of like forced mentoring that happens and whatnot. It’s it’s got a great dynamic. It’s just it’s so well done. Um, yeah. It’s it’s super fun.

[00:24:41] Brett: Cool. I, uh, I finished cowboy bebop

[00:24:46] Christina: Yeah. I tried.

[00:24:48] Brett: right, before, oh man, I loved it. But right before the last episode I read that Netflix had already canceled it,

[00:24:55] Christina: they already canceled it.

[00:24:56] Brett: which so, so the first thing I did after finishing cowboy [00:25:00] bebop was go back and, and watch the first episode of the anime version. And they nailed it like the live action version, nails, everything about the anime version.

[00:25:13] And I don’t understand how fans of the anime version weren’t able to convert to the live or maybe it wasn’t those fans that were the problem.

[00:25:22] Christina: I know. See, well, that’s, that’s part of the problem, right? Is that any more, I’ve got a friend who read all the wheel of time books, right. And Amazon prime has the wheel of time stuff going on right now. And every, like for week after week, he was going through and just getting, getting kind of nasty about how terrible he thought it was, because it was so different or it started veering away from the source material.

[00:25:46] And then he saw some podcast or something and it changed his mind. He realized, oh, I can just enjoy it for what it is. And I’m like, that’s pretty much where it falls now is like, you can either enjoy the thing. Or you can grouse about all the little [00:26:00] nonsense and it’s like, just enjoy the damn thing, you know, or don’t and shut up.

[00:26:04] Brett: I mean, especially in the case of, in the case of cowboy bebop, like I, I went through all the, uh, episode summary, a synopsis of the anime version, and it seems like it’s a one-to-one match with what happens in the live action version. Like they basically just remade. On existing season of cowboy bebop from start to finish.

[00:26:27] And I actually, like, I would have loved to see season two, let them go like off book and just see where it went from there. But it’s a moot point. Netflix has killed it.

[00:26:38] Christina: Yeah. And I have to say, I mean, this is one of those things where like I tried, I really couldn’t get into it.

[00:26:45] And I agree with you Victor. Like, it is hard when you’re at this point, because there is no original IP anymore. Everybody is just remaking and redoing stuff. It’s ridiculous. Um, it’s like, come on and come up with the personal ideas.

[00:26:55] There are a million people who have them, um, You know, you can run into that thing where [00:27:00] people just want to complain or not enjoy it. Uh, in this case, I do feel like the, the showrunner made some mistakes. So he was like, you’re being very vocal about the fact that, oh, we want it to be less. We don’t want it to be that dystopic.

[00:27:10] And I’m like, okay, the whole point is, is dystopia, but whatever. Uh, but, but I, I just personally couldn’t get into it. I’m glad you enjoyed it. But I do, this does bother me about like this, this era of, um, streaming, where all of the decisions are metrics driven. Um, you know what I mean? Like, um, and not, not that ratings didn’t ever before determine whether a show is going to be renewed or canceled.

[00:27:36] It, it quite frankly has always played a major role, but it seems, but at least in like the more traditional age, there was also an element of. You know, how loyal is your fan base? How affluent is the demographic? Uh, does this have a words? Potential? Does an executive just really like the show and it feels like Netflix is almost entirely like they, they look at how many views did it have in the first 24 hours and how many [00:28:00] people have continued to tune in?

[00:28:01] And if you aren’t a hit out of the park, you are screwed because they launch it all at once. And so you never have a chance for shows that start slow, but then become bonafide hits ironically like the office, which, uh, you know, until it left, Netflix was the most popular television show on Netflix. Uh, even though, you know, it had been, you know, it was owned by another company and was in reruns like that, that show did ridiculous numbers, which is why NBC got it for peacock.

[00:28:28] Um, Well, now you’ve got a very app store mentality. Right? Right. It’s whatever it takes off immediately. And I’m saying, but you miss out on things that could be massive bonafide hits. Like there are countless shows that start slow and then become massive cultural phenomenons. And you even see the inverse where a show that didn’t work on TV is huge on Netflix.

[00:28:47] The Netflix will pick it up again, but they won’t use those same things for their own renewals. They’re like, all right, it’s a month after the show came out, the ratings aren’t there. We’re canceling it.

[00:28:58] Imagine the Mandalorian all being [00:29:00] released at once. I don’t think it would have had nearly the audience that it built in the end, you know, no way, great.

[00:29:08] One division at the same thing, you know, which, which did very well at one division was booed. My favorite shows of the year. And, um, and I like the Disney. I liked that apple. I liked that. Um, you know, Amazon to some things I like that they’re doing like the, the week by week thing. I, I feel like we all like to binge watch, but you do miss out on that, like ability to, to see if there’s a grower in there.

[00:29:29] You know, like sometimes it takes more time than, than four weeks or three weeks or however long. It was two weeks. I don’t even, it felt like it was two weeks before they were like, yep. We’re we’re not renewing . It’s like really?

[00:29:43] Brett: So I, um, I’m also watching Dexter right now and it’s on that week by week schedule, uh, that new blood. And I am like, I’m at a point in that. And where I am ready to binge, like the episode ends in, I immediately, [00:30:00] like at first I was okay. Waiting a week. Cause it was, it was, you know, building up. But now man, I want it all at once.

[00:30:06] Christina: No, and I, I hear you, and there are plenty of people who will wait until something ends all the way to go through it. But I don’t know, I’ve kind of enjoyed the process. And the last year was more of the shows that I watch have moved away from Netflix and are, are on that week by week thing where I’ve kind of been like, no, I know that I have a weekly thing to look forward to, you know, like it’s hard, but it’s nice.

[00:30:25] Like, you know, you get to be excited about Sundays again. Um, the, uh, the new sex and the city, um, and just like that, you know, they released two episodes at once, but, but like, I think that the next episode comes out like tonight and like, I’m going to be very excited to be watching that. And, and I’m excited to have those moments again, like Ted lasso.

[00:30:43] Was it similar thing?

[00:30:44] Brett: like waiting every week for Ted lasso was delicious. Like I loved Ted lasso night. That was, that was, it was

[00:30:51] Christina: That was awesome. Yeah.

[00:30:53] Brett: And it’s not the same. Like I can’t, I could, I could go back and binge like Ted lasso from the beginning. And I won’t say I [00:31:00] haven’t, but it’s not the same as that like waiting week to week, that’s actually kind of fun in some cases.

[00:31:06] Christina: It really is it really isn’t as some cases you’re like, I don’t love this show. So, you know, so much that I w I look forward to it. So I would rather watch it all at once. But in some cases, you know, it kind of goes, it can go either way, which is the nice thing, which is like, you’re like, okay, I know how many episodes this is. I, can just wait until it’s all up and watch it. But I’m actually, it’s funny. I watched my parents, uh, even though they’ve had apple TV because they, they use their cable box for their primary thing, even though they have an LG, very expensive LGTB that has the stuff built into it. And they have an Amazon fire stick.

[00:31:40] They have all this stuff, but they don’t know how to use it. So they hadn’t watched Ted lasso or anything else. And so, uh, at Thanksgiving we watched it and it was so funny because I think the first night, I think we watched five or six episodes of the first season. And, and, and, and, and my dad cause like, as hell, he was kind of like hesitant.

[00:31:56] I was like, no, you’re really gonna like this. And I could tell he was kind of hesitant. [00:32:00] And then in the first episode, All right, let’s do another one. And then after each one, they’re like, let’s do another one. Let’s do another one. And, and, uh, you know, it was, it was really great. I was hesitant as well, by the way, with Ted lasso.

[00:32:13] Cause like I’m not a big sports sky and I don’t, you know, I don’t get the jokes or whatever, but like that. Yeah. Anyway, we, and it’s such a great show. The

[00:32:21] Brett: I had to hear idear a lot of the buzz around it before I ever gave it a chance.

[00:32:26] Christina: Yeah.

[00:32:28] Brett: I have to say one thing before we take our sponsor break, I kept telling you I was going to start watching weeds again. And I did. And I’m up to like season six now. I think I’ve just been, it’s been like my background show, but one thing I have realized that I’ve never realized before is exactly how bad a drug dealer Nancy is in that show.

[00:32:53] Christina: she really is The worst. I

[00:32:55] Brett: worst, like the only reason she survives from season to season [00:33:00] is, is her good looks and her sex appeal

[00:33:04] Christina: Oh, yeah.

[00:33:05] Brett: as a drug dealer. She is shit.

[00:33:07] Christina: Yeah. Like it is kind of one of those amazing things. You’re like, how, how, how did you not wind up? You know, like, you know what I mean? It’s like, it’s like, why are you not on orange? Is the new black, you know what I mean? Like,

[00:33:19] Brett: should have been dead or in jail so many times and she keeps letting other people screw her over. Like she lets friends screw over every episode and she never learned, she never learns. And she’s also a horrible mom. Like the worst mom. Yeah.

[00:33:34] Christina: oh yeah, yeah. But it’s such a great show. And now I’m thinking about Justin Kirk, who? I just, I love Justin Kirk and her brother, the guy who

[00:33:41] Brett: Oh yeah, Andy.

[00:33:43] Christina: Eddie. Yeah, He sees the bad.

[00:33:44] Brett: Yeah, he’s in, uh, we’re watching modern family now, too. And he shows up as, uh, Mitchell’s boss.

[00:33:51] Christina: He, um, he’s in an episode of succession this season, which, uh, I, I don’t know. Did either of you watch succession? No. [00:34:00] Okay. It’s it’s my favorite show. Um,

[00:34:02] Brett: hearing about it. I feel like I’m going to have to give it another shot. I watched two episodes and I hated

[00:34:07] Christina: yeah, no, you gave it a try. I mean, it’s a dark comedy and it’s, it’s sort of as a satire, it’s like, it’s like a mellow mellow dromedy I think is what we decided. Um, cause there is definitely some kind of dramatic aspects, but a lot of it is just kind of satire and, and it’s very, you know, dark, you know, kind of know a lot of ways kind of making fun of these bridge BD people, but in other ways, it’s.

[00:34:30] It’s a good, I love it. But, but, um, he was in an episode, he was playing like a, uh, a real like piece of shit, like mega type of a ca