262: Bad Chad

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[00:00:00] Brett: Hey, people you’re listening to over tired. I am Brett Harpster. I’m here with birthday girl, Christina Warren, Christina. Happy birthday. How are you

[00:00:13] Christina: I’m good. Thank you very much for asking. I’m excellent. Um, yes, it is true. I have turned 29

[00:00:21] Brett: again?

[00:00:22] Christina: again, I know it’s amazing how this keeps happening and uh, like I it’s, it’s truly shocking that, that it just seems to happen over and over again?

[00:00:31] I’ve, I’ve made some sort of deal with some people and I’m just, the time is time is all relative anyway, but yes.

[00:00:39] Um, my birthday was yesterday, uh, as we record this and, um, great day, I have to say in the news, like I have to say my birthday. Isn’t always great. Sometimes. Like, you know, because it’s it’s any day of the year and we live in a hellscape of a time. And so oftentimes terrible things [00:01:00] happen. Oh, your birthday.

[00:01:01] And, uh, yesterday I’m sure some terrible things did happen, but mostly good things happened. So let me just like quickly go through the list and then I want to get into Brett’s mental health corner, but, um, the first and, and, and most exciting thing for me personally, and also the show was that Taylor swift, we released her, um, uh, Seminole album red in a new deluxe version with 30 tracks.

[00:01:28] So it’s kind of like. So much more on it than what was on the original. And it’s like, it’s like over two hours of stuff. It’s great. Including a 10 minute version of all too well, which also had a short film, which we’re going to talk about. Um, red is my favorite album. So this was great for me cause I’ve got to relive the release of this record twice.

[00:01:48] Um, a lot of the bonus tracks are really good. Uh it’s it’s, it’s great. Um, also, uh, music, uh, Gracie Abrams, who I really, really enjoy. She’s kind of a, a young oven [00:02:00] crop coming artists who should have Olivia Rodrigo’s career, but doesn’t, uh, she released a new album in, uh, in other very exciting news.

[00:02:08] Brittany was freed. So Brittany is now no longer under her conservatorship. So yay. Yay, Brittany. Uh, Steve Bannon was indicted, which is very exciting and a pink win, um, who somehow got lost from Antarctica and found his way to New Zealand was found and sent back home

[00:02:27] Brett: Deported that’s cruel.

[00:02:30] Christina: Well, I mean, he was dehydrated and he, he like, they don’t, they don’t, they don’t live outside of like, you know, he’s in like this, like not, not freezing area.

[00:02:38] So it was very like worrisome, cause It’s like, you know, pingo was lost and pingo was found and how he’s been reunited with his family. So, uh, Disney also announced some stuff don’t even really care so much about that pingo is more exciting to me, but like just a good day,

[00:02:53] Brett: a shit storm of happy birthday.

[00:02:56] Christina: honestly. Like I, I felt like some like, like [00:03:00] red, I know why that happened is because a Dell was going to release her long-awaited album on, um, November 19th, which was when Taylor swift had originally planned on rereleasing red and, um, Taylor swift and her record label rightly looked at that situation and went, oh, so we won’t get any promotion and we will be buried alive because it’s, it’s fucking Adele.

[00:03:22] And, uh, they moved the date up a week, which so smart, but. So great for me personally, because you know, I get to share my birthday with like sad whole fall. So it was really great.

[00:03:35] Brett: So you asked me in honor of your birthday to watch the short film that was tied to this release. And I want to hear what you think of it before I do anything stupid. I.

[00:03:54] Christina: Oh no, you can totally, you can totally drag it. I don’t care. I know it’s not your shit.

[00:03:58] Brett: the helpful [00:04:00] person that she is after I watched it and, and said what I needed to say to get it out of my system, I left to go do stuff out of the house.

[00:04:09] I came back home and I was like, okay, I did some research. Do you want to know why you might want to care about this, this short film? And she did not succeed and making me care. She did not, but she, she made an effort. And I want you to know that she’s got your back.

[00:04:29] All Too Typical?

[00:04:29] Christina: See, that’s so nice. That’s another birthday gift L making you try to care about why you should have enjoyed or maybe not enjoy, but I’m glad you gave it 15 minutes to watch the, the, the short films slash music video for the 10 minute version of, of all too. Well, it’s it’s 15 minutes. Um,

[00:04:49] Brett: Yeah. Cause there’s a whole five minutes of dialogue in it too.

[00:04:52] Christina: yes, exactly. So the whole background on the song is that it’s like,

[00:04:57] Brett: Oh, I actually, I watched her [00:05:00] on Fallon explaining the background of the 10 minute version of this song as part of the research that LF for me.

[00:05:10] Christina: Excellent. Excellent. Oh, which I appreciate. So, but of course she doesn’t get into the, like what the real background is. Um, so the real story is that when she was 20, um, almost 21, she was in like a short term, but very intense, like thing with Jake chillin hall. And, um, he broke her heart, like into pieces, like, like a crumpled up piece of paper lying there.

[00:05:35] Um, she remembers it all too. Well, those are lyrics from the song. Um, so that is, it’s like widely consider like her best song ever, like, and from a lyrical, like composition standpoint, like

[00:05:50] Brett: See, I feel like she should write more songs coming from the position of a breakup. I feel like that would be good for her

[00:05:57] Christina: Right. Like maybe she could like, maybe she could to do [00:06:00] honestly ma ma ma I think you’re onto something. I think, I think you’re, you’re honest. Something

[00:06:05] Brett: from, from where I’m sitting. That’s all she writes about.

[00:06:08] Christina: right. Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, it’s kind of what you saying in this for, uh, obviously, but this is all her breakup songs. This is the best one. Like dear John, which is the, the John Mayer song she wrote about John Mayer. Like she wrote him like a fuck you letter in the style of a John Mayer song, which fucking brilliant, um,

[00:06:27] Brett: So I didn’t know what you meant a John Mayer song about John Mayer, but now that okay. I’ve put it together. That that’s funny. That’s funny,

[00:06:35] Christina: Yeah, it is, it is actually, and it is a great song. It’s on speak now. And, and she’s like, got like alignment. They’re like, don’t you think nineteens too young to be messed with and stuff like that. He was very upset. He was like, I didn’t do anything that was really shitty of her to come out liquid song.

[00:06:50] And I’m like, bro, you were like 34. Like, come on now. I’m like, honestly, [00:07:00] like what are you doing when you’re like 34 years old? And you’re like dating a 19 year old,

[00:07:04] Brett: right? That that’s so sick significantly older than you. I, yeah. 29. I mean,

[00:07:12] Christina: well, yeah, but,

[00:07:13] Brett: you were to date a 34 year old, that would be just age inappropriate.

[00:07:18] Christina: no, that would be fine because I’m not 19.

[00:07:21] Brett: Okay. So there’s a, it’s a, it’s a ratio thing.

[00:07:25] Christina: Yeah, exactly. 34 and 29 is fine. 24 and 34, I think is okay. I think that maybe you’re in different life points, but whatever, 19 and 34, again, I’m not going to tell people who, who they can and can’t fuck you. Do you, I’m just saying like, it’s more than likely not going to work out. And the person who knows it’s not going to work out is probably not the 19 year old.

[00:07:48] So, um, anyway, so that’s, that’s dear John, but, but all too Well, is like this famous song in the original version is like five minutes long. And it’s great. And it’s kind of the center point of red, but [00:08:00] she’s, we’ve known where she’s claimed for years. she, was like, yeah, there’s this 10 minute version. Like, because the way that her song writing process works is like she had a co-writer who like helped her edit it.

[00:08:10] And apparently, you know, like they had, like, as you saw on Fallon, Uh, recording of some of the original kind of stuff that she had and she had the original lyrics. And so she took this opportunity to rerecord because I don’t think she’d ever recorded the 10 minute version because that

[00:08:28] Brett: she had a recording the day they wrote it, like she was adlibbing it. And like the band kind of like joined in on it. And at the end of the day, they were all wrapped up in her mom, like went to the recording tech and just like, did you get that? And he gave her a CD with the original raw 10 minute version.

[00:08:50] Christina: right. And I don’t know how much of that, like I have my own questions, like how much of that was actually what wound up being.

[00:08:58] Brett: Sure, sure.

[00:08:59] Christina: You know what I [00:09:00] mean? Um, like I have a feeling that she probably had other lyrics and stuff and, and change. Maybe, you know, Melody’s here. Who knows, but yeah, exactly. So, but the, the original song is like five minutes long, a little over five minutes.

[00:09:11] It’s great. Um, but we’ve all wanted this 10 minute version and I thought it was really good. And then she made this short film about it, which is completely now that you understand me, the Jake Gyllenhaal aspect, it’s a completely autobiographical film. Just, you know, she changed her career maybe a little bit, but it’s like a completely, like, she even cast somebody who looked like him.

[00:09:34] Um, like not even trying at all here, Taylor, like not even trying at all to like, we all knew who it was about because there was paparazzi shots of them. And like, there were lines on the song. Like there’s just things about it, but also it was like, she famously like apparently, um, cause they, after he broke up with her, like he didn’t show up at her 21st birthday party.

[00:09:56] Which was very upsetting for her. And, and that [00:10:00] was the moment she knew also a song on the record, a bonus track. Um, and, uh, then they got back together and then she like ran into Jennifer Aniston at some party. Isn’t a fantasy. It was like, what happened? And she’s like, he happened, he did actually crying in the bathroom.

[00:10:17] Um, very dramatic, right? Like, cause she’s 21. So, uh, and she’s a dramatic person anyway. Um, so like it’s this incredibly dramatic song of the person who I feel gross even saying this, but I think that we can all, especially if you watch the, the short film, he clearly took her virginity. So like it’s one of those like breakup songs.

[00:10:39] And then the short film, I think is also this like break of short film where at least for me, I remembered like the first guy, well, it was probably guys, but, but it was two of them, but one of them hurt more who like really fucked me over and I. You know, it’s been more than nine years [00:11:00] since that happened.

[00:11:01] Uh, she says, um, you know, but even like decades later, like I still like feel that. So, um, that was, that was like my take, I guess, from, but that’s why it’s a big deal. Cause it’s like this famous song for people who are fans of hers. And then she like gave us the extended version and then made this, this short film about it.

[00:11:23] Brett: Okay. I can let that. I don’t have to, I don’t have to have anything to say about that.

[00:11:29] Christina: I was curious though, what your perspective was like from like the filmmaking? Like, did you find it cloying? Did you find it interesting? Like what, what was I, I’m just curious. Cause it’s not your bag. I understand, but I am genuinely curious, like you hated it. That’s totally cool. I am curious though, from like the non-fan perspective, like what you thought of the film, I guess.

[00:11:47] Brett: filmmaking was good. The acting was excellent. Um, like they, they, they, I, I like, it was honestly a very [00:12:00] standard relationship that was portrayed. Like there was nothing spectacular or interesting about the relationship or the breakup. Like we’ve all been there. It just kind of, this is like normal white people shit here.

[00:12:17] Um, but they portrayed it

[00:12:20] Christina: is why it works.

[00:12:21] Brett: Okay. They portrayed it well, and, and it made for an altogether, um, bearable, but uninteresting film for me.

[00:12:31] Christina: No. Fair enough. Fair enough. I would say, I think even the uninteresting aspect of it, or like, you’re like, this is the shit everybody goes through. I think that for you, it doesn’t do anything, which is totally fair. But I think for a lot of people, that’s why the song resonates

[00:12:45] Brett: Okay.

[00:12:45] Christina: because, because they, they take they’re like they take, even though she’s has hyper specific details about what happened.

[00:12:54] When you hear it, when you in like the film, the acting was so good. Like the CR both the were great, but the girl, like the scenes, when like she’s [00:13:00] crying, like there’s like, she was good, like far better than most fair of that stuff. I will say. Like, the acting was, was a cut above what you usually see in these types of things.

[00:13:11] Um, but I think the reason it resonates with people is because they, at least, I know for me, like when I was even watching it, like I was thinking back to like fucking Chad who, yeah. His name was actually Chad and I don’t give a shit. Like he works with government now who cares? Um, uh,

[00:13:27] Brett: know, Chad

[00:13:28] Christina: it’s Chad also, there were two CHADS.

[00:13:30] Uh, one Chad was actually very nice. Uh, the, this shad was absolutely not total bastard. Um, but I’m thinking back on like that experience and like bad chat. And, um, that maybe episode title. Um, but, uh, no, um, but like, I, I thought about that, like, I, I hadn’t thought about that in a really, really long time. And I was like, I bet I think that’s maybe why that song resonates with people, especially women, like, not exclusively, but, but especially like, I think that, [00:14:00] you know, it’s this universal thing, like, yeah, we’ve all had these kinds of standard relationship things, but the first time you Have like a deep heartbreak, like it sticks with you.

[00:14:10] So I think that’s the power of that song.

[00:14:12] Baller Johnny Cash

[00:14:12] Brett: Have you ever heard? Uh, I see a darkness by Bonnie prince Billy later recovered by Johnny Cash.

[00:14:21] Christina: I don’t think so.

[00:14:22] Brett: Like, so there, I don’t, I almost never feel anything. Even when a song perfectly depicts a relationship that was rough for me. Like I just, somehow I don’t find relationships in music interesting, but depictions of depression and depictions of, of bipolar and of anxiety and of, uh, disorders in general, those, I find very compelling in music and I see a darkness is perhaps, um, I, I see it as a song [00:15:00] about bipolar.

[00:15:01] Uh it’s I think mostly about depression and honestly, I think anyone who’s ever. Scene, uh, down days, but found like comfort and light on the other side would totally like that song. It’s just amazing. And Bonnie prince, Billy has two versions of it and one of them is actually a happy version. There’s like a, there’s like a, like a very slow dreary, like heartfelt, but dreary version.

[00:15:34] And then there’s one that like picks up this like bass beep and it’s like a Pepe version and that’s the one they made the music video for. And the music video is outstanding. I’m going to link this after our, after our links to, uh, to all to, well, there will be links to, uh, the video version of Bonnie prince Billy’s.

[00:15:55] I see a darkness.

[00:15:57] Christina: Okay. I’m excited about this because, um, [00:16:00] I haven’t ever heard this, but I’m excited to listen to it now. And it’s from, I looked it up, uh, the Johnny Cash covers from his, um,

[00:16:07] Brett: I think it was American for.

[00:16:09] Christina: yeah,

[00:16:10] So yeah. if it’s American three, um, which was the American four was the one with hurt on it. Um, but you know, we had that whole like series of, of like cover

[00:16:20] Brett: Amazing covers where he actually brought in the original artists to sing backup on their own songs.

[00:16:26] Christina: Which is what a fucking baller

[00:16:28] Brett: Right, right.

[00:16:30] Christina: like honestly, well, I mean, I mean, hurt had always been my favorite nail song, like always

[00:16:36] Brett: Yeah. Oh, for sure.

[00:16:38] Christina: like, well before Johnny Cash and, and I, and I point That out because most people, my age, even though nine inch nails was like big, like sadly, unfortunately, most people my age, like first heard the song.

[00:16:52] If they weren’t like Michelle’s fans, like they first heard the song like as a Johnny Cash song, but I was a fan like from, from, from [00:17:00] go. I remember the first time I heard that song. Um, and, and I was like, holy shit, this is amazing.

[00:17:05] Brett: is the only song I remember off downwards.

[00:17:08] Christina: Um, you don’t remember, um,

[00:17:10] Brett: Oh, and yeah, I, of course I remember closer that that song stands on its own and the Pantheon, but anyway.

[00:17:18] Christina: Yeah. But, but, but I agree with you, Right. Like I think those are kind of the two standouts. Like those are the ones that I like to remember the most too, but, um, even like a late like Trent who is very like, gracious about it, he’s like, yeah, this song isn’t mine anymore. Like he did it better. And it’s

[00:17:34] Brett: Well, and won’t back down

[00:17:36] Christina: Yes. Oh my God. The one won’t

[00:17:38] Brett: on the backup vocals. Yeah.

[00:17:41] Christina: Yeah. No, that’s just, Yeah.

[00:17:42] no, the, all of his covers are just stunning and, and again, like what a fucking baller move to, just

[00:17:50] Brett: Well, it’s both, it’s both like an honor, I think, to like to

[00:17:54] Christina: saying.

[00:17:56] Brett: but also to, yeah, the it baller [00:18:00] baller is the word for it.

[00:18:01] Christina: Yeah. That’s what I’m saying, because cause like, yeah, cause if you’re, even if you’re, if you’re Tom fucking petty, if you’re trespassing, if you’re whoever you’re like, yes, Johnny Cash wants to cover my son please. And, and they want me to play on it.

[00:18:11] I’m I’m honored,

[00:18:12] Brett: I am now a backup singer.

[00:18:14] Christina: I know a backup singer to Johnny fucking cash. Right, But at the same time, it’s just like the, the, there are very few artists who could get away with asking that of

[00:18:25] Brett: Right, exactly.

[00:18:27] Christina: excited. Like I feel like the only other person, and it’s funny because some of the artists he covered would be people who maybe not for everybody, but who other people would be like.

[00:18:36] Sure. Right.

[00:18:37] Like, like I feel like Bruce could get away with that. Um, but

[00:18:42] Brett: Cohen could’ve gotten away with it. Like there’s

[00:18:45] Christina: oh, Leonard Cohen definitely could have yeah, there, there definitely.

[00:18:47] Brett: seems like a male thing. Like, I can’t think of any women off the top of my head who would be that, um, brazen.

[00:18:57] Christina: Yeah, I’m trying to think. I think there are women who could get away with [00:19:00] it if they would be that brazen. Like, I think that if

[00:19:03] Brett: could get away with it

[00:19:04] Christina: I agree with that, I, I was actually thinking that I was like, if Taylor we’re not, I mean, her whole thing is she’s so committed to singing her own shit. But if she were willing to like, you know what I mean?

[00:19:17] Like, if she,

[00:19:18] were like, Hey, I want to maybe reinterpret or

[00:19:20] Brett: Well, she does a great job of bringing other artists in

[00:19:24] Christina: She does.

[00:19:25] Brett: like w bone, bone Iver, bone of our, however you want to say

[00:19:28] Christina: bear bone a bear? Yes, actually. So there’s a track on there there’s a bonus track that was never released. So some of the bonus tracks like had been recorded by other artists. Um, and, um, a couple of them had actually been on the first like deluxe version of red, the target version, um, uh, nine years ago.

[00:19:47] But the, um, there’s this song called, um, um, Uh, w that she does with Phoebe Bridgers. And, um, she talks about that, I think on the Fallon interview too, [00:20:00] um, about, um, uh, or it.

[00:20:02] might’ve been Seth Meyers, I can’t remember cause she did both of their shows, but, but, uh, he was asking like, how do you go about like asking people, like, if they want to be featured on, you know, this, um, this record or what not?

[00:20:16] She’s like, well, I don’t call because, you know, that could be weird, but she sends like a text and like she sent a text to Phoebe asking if she wanted to basically do out with her on this song that she wrote, uh, which is about kind of being a female ingenue. It’s actually a really good song. And it’s like, What happens?

[00:20:32] Like when you’re no longer the new shiny thing and, and they’re paying attention to some younger, like newer, you know, female artists or

[00:20:40] Brett: I’ve seen that meme. Sure.

[00:20:42] Christina: yeah, I mean, it’s. Right. And, and, um, and, and it’s a well-written song and Phoebe is kind of like the perfect person for that. Cause Phoebe’s like five years younger than Taylor.

[00:20:52] And like they had similar, uh, Phoebe’s cooler, but like they have similar athletics and, and [00:21:00] similar sorts of things. Right. Like they’re, they’re similar artists and, um, and Phoebe was never compared, I mean, she’d never went mainstream blockbuster, like Taylor swift obviously, but, you know, like has had that respectability thing or whatnot and, and, um, and Phoebe apparently like it and she tweeted, she was like true story, but apparently like PB like texted her back and it was like, I’ve been waiting for this text my entire life.

[00:21:20] Um, and,

[00:21:22] Brett: gift to give.

[00:21:24] Christina: yes,

[00:21:25] Brett: you send me, did you send to me going for a segway?

[00:21:27] Christina: did. I did, I did. Yes. Uh, that is a fantastic gift. What other gifts would people have.

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[00:23:38] Brett: vinyl next.

[00:23:40] Christina: which is awesome.

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[00:24:06] Christina: Okay.

[00:24:06] Dune, A Review

[00:24:06] Brett: me, have you seen dune?

[00:24:08] Christina: Yes, I have. I have, and I said that I was curious in your thoughts cause I don’t, I think it’s, I think it’s good. It’s one of those things we have to see the second part. Like that’s kinda how I feel like, I, I feel like I can’t judge the whole thing.

[00:24:21] Brett: Oh my God though. So like, I am seriously considering tomorrow I watch it on HBO and tomorrow I may go to a theater for the first time in years now because the, the sets, the costumes, the score, the, the videography, like everything about this was just, I was so blown away and I watched all of the extras and I could not get enough of it.

[00:24:50] And I wished that it had come out like, so I could binge it. I wanted to see the other half so, so soon

[00:24:58] Christina: Yeah.

[00:24:58] Brett: really good.[00:25:00]

[00:25:00] Christina: Yeah, no, the director is, is amazing, you know, he’s he did, um, arrival,

[00:25:06] Brett: Denise something.

[00:25:07] Christina: um, uh um, I think, um, I, um, I can’t, I don’t

[00:25:15] Brett: blanking on it too, but, um,

[00:25:17] Christina: but, um,

[00:25:18] Brett: Uh, rival, which one was arrival.

[00:25:21] Christina: arrivals, the one with Amy Adams and, um, uh, Jeremy Renner about the aliens who have like the kind of weird language and the.

[00:25:29] Brett: that movie was so good.

[00:25:31] Christina: That’s like one of the best films.

[00:25:33] Brett: like one of my favorite alien movies ever. Yeah.

[00:25:36] Christina: I agree. I agree. And the score from That is unreal. Yeah. That’s why, that’s why a lot of us were really excited about it because, um,

[00:25:45] Brett: on soundtracks. Who was it?

[00:25:47] Christina: I think it might’ve been,

[00:25:49] Brett: Doon Doon was a soundtrack by Hans Zimmer and he like invented instruments to make

[00:25:56] Christina: no, it was not.

[00:25:57] Brett: soundtrack.

[00:25:58] Christina: so cool. Yeah. [00:26:00] No, it was, it was not Hans Zimmer. It was Johan Johansson.

[00:26:02] Brett: Oh, okay.

[00:26:04] Christina: uh, so, but, but, but yeah, but it’s, um, Yeah, so, so, and, um, and he’s Icelandic, um, which actually for a rival makes sense if I’m thinking about it. Cause I, I, but I, I that’s like one of those, like five years later, like there are certain film soundtracks that I’ll listen to.

[00:26:22] Like, I usually will do kind of the Pantheon of like the Atticus Ross, Trent Reznor, um, uh,

[00:26:28] Brett: girl with the dragon tattoo.

[00:26:31] Christina: Uh, social network, um, uh, gone girl, um, there are a number of them. Um, I’ll also do some of the Hans Zimmer ones, um, like, like, uh, the, um, Uh inner stellar, uh, that, that was the one I was thinking of, but this is that the arrival one is also one, like, I’ll listen to the Tron soundtrack.

[00:26:49] Like there’s certain ones that, uh, or, you know, uh, the neutron, not the original Tron, obviously. Um, and, uh, but Yeah.

[00:26:57] no, I’m a rival, one of the greatest [00:27:00] sci-fi films ever, ever, ever. So, yeah. Um, that’s why a lot of people, I think the expectations were really high for June because, you know, you have this guy who’s like incredibly good.

[00:27:16] He also did blade runner 2049.

[00:27:18] Brett: And okay. We’ve talked about how dune is kind of an unfilmable story and, and the only way to do it was to split it into multiple parts. Agreed. But still it’s one of those things that it’s like taking on a star wars movie, where you have a fan base that is ingrained and, and pretty fanatical, not like it’s like current fandom or anything because God, when was that book written?

[00:27:47] Seventies, eighties. Um,

[00:27:50] Christina: sixties. I think

[00:27:51] Brett: yeah. Jeez, but, um, like the, the people who love dune, they, they love dune. And to [00:28:00] make a movie that was going to pass muster with fanatics, like that’s, it, it takes, it takes some nerve and.

[00:28:10] Christina: it does. It takes, it takes balls, right? It’s like, it’s, it’s like being Johnny Cash, right? Like, Yeah.

[00:28:17] Brett: Yeah, but he did it. Honestly, my, my personal, my personal opinions was that it was a triumph and I cannot wait to see the second half.

[00:28:27] Christina: I’m really glad that you liked it. Yeah. Like I liked it, but again, for me it was one of those things that I’m kind of like, okay. You know, like, I feel like still, like, I’m going to have to, to see the whole thing until, you know what I mean, to really be able to judge, but, but I felt like the acting was really good.

[00:28:43] Like you said, it’s just, it’s a difficult thing to do. And also, I mean, you think you make a great point. Like it is one of those, like, I think, I think you made a perfect comparison because star wars is one of a similar sort of fandom. So it it’s kind of like, you know, when [00:29:00] JJ Abrams took on star wars with the force awakens and we’re like, okay, are, is anybody gonna be happy with this?

[00:29:07] And a lot of people were, you know, a lot of people really did. Like it, they, they, they didn’t like some of the follow-up ones, but they really did like that one. And I stand by that, but like, that’s tough, right? Like that’s like.

[00:29:16] Brett: Oh yeah. That that’s, that’d be one of the worst gigs in the world, I think.

[00:29:21] Christina: Oh, totally. Right. Cause because on the one hand, you have this amazing opportunity for this love property.

[00:29:26] On the end of their hand, you have this very like fervent and vocal and like demanding fandom who, nothing you do for some of them will never be good enough. Um, and then you have this, I think, but June you have this complimentary problem that you have a little bit star wars too. But I think.

[00:29:45] with June is even worse where you’re also trying to make something that’s more broad that can be enjoyed by people who aren’t super fans of the books.

[00:29:53] Brett: Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, that would kind of, you’d want to bring in, you know, a modern.

[00:29:59] Christina: Well, right. [00:30:00] Well that’s well, that’s the thing,

[00:30:01] Brett: would be curious to, I like the only people I’ve heard reviews from were people that were doing fans to begin with, um, and who had been let down by David Lynch, um, and were just, you know, pleasantly

[00:30:17] Christina: Yeah.

[00:30:18] Brett: but I’d be curious to hear from people seeing it and not knowing the story, not having like any Frank Herbert background.

[00:30:25] Christina: right. If you are one of those people and you’ve seen it on HBO max, uh, please let us know, um, on Twitter, Um,

[00:30:33] or, or email or whatever. Cause I wouldn’t be interested in that too. Um, I cause I’d be like, that is, it’s done incredibly well at the box office. So, um, you know, it’s already done several hundred million, um, which is incredible since it’s still a pandemic and so.

[00:30:52] clearly, but, and, and, but to me, I have to think though that a lot of that has been people who are not like diehard [00:31:00] fans, because it’s a global thing.

[00:31:02] Cause like, I can’t think of like, I mean, I know it’s a really popular Spotify book, but you know, you’re going through a lot of stuff to go and see this in a theater.

[00:31:12] Brett: Did you ever read, sorry, go

[00:31:14] Christina: go ahead.

[00:31:15] No, I was just saying like, you have to like make an effort at this point to go see something in the theater.

[00:31:19] Brett: Yeah, I know it’s a very conscious decision and I guess the word word gets out. People talk about like a truly beautiful scifi movie. And I think, I think that’s something that could appeal to just about anyone, whether they had any idea who hasn’t heard good things about doing though. Like, I guess I’ve heard from people that are like, uh, it made me work too hard.

[00:31:45] For me to enjoy it. But most people who, you know, are good thinking readers, they’re going to say good things about doing so, even if you haven’t read it, you’ve probably heard someone talk [00:32:00] about dune in P in good terms. I, yeah, I could see, I could see taking a chance going to a theater right now to see a movie that got great reviews, uh, and, and was based on something that has 50 years of fandom behind it.

[00:32:18] Did you ever read, um, Lazarus effect and Jesus’ incident by Frank Herbert?

[00:32:25] Christina: I think I read Lazarus effect,

[00:32:29] Brett: I think, I think Jesus

[00:32:31] Christina: I think I,

[00:32:31] Brett: first.

[00:32:33] Christina: okay. Well, the, no, I didn’t because I, I, um, Lazarus effect sounded familiar, but no, if Jesus thing was first and I did not,

[00:32:41] Brett: Do you remember sentience kelp? Cause that was pretty much the crux of this story.

[00:32:46] Christina: no, I do not.

[00:32:47] Brett: It’s like, it’s about this spaceship that becomes sentience. Uh, like it’s like an artificial intelligence that was, it’s got like a, a cargo full of, of human clone, [00:33:00] like embryos and like a minimal crew.

[00:33:03] And they get like stranded, I think, but this spaceship becomes sentience and starts to play God sending down like batches of cloned humans to the surface of a planet and like demanding that they worship it and like, it, like, there’s a whole like Jesus story that plays out it. I loved it. It was good.

[00:33:27] Christina: That’s all.

[00:33:28] Brett: I remember loving it.

[00:33:29] I don’t, I don’t remember it all that well these days, but I still have the paperback somewhere on a bookshelf with a torn cover. I remember it.

[00:33:38] Christina: Isn’t that great. Yeah. I mean, that’s the funny thing. Like I, I do still, cause I have to sometimes buy like physical books because stuff goes out of print or whatever. That’s actually one of the reasons why I prefer, I mean, I look, I appreciate physical books. The reason that I like, like eBooks better.

[00:33:53] Well, there’s several reasons. One, um, because of my ADHD, it makes it easier to read like three or four things at once. [00:34:00] Um, at

[00:34:01] Brett: moving is so much easier.

[00:34:04] Christina: yes, 100%. That’s the thing too. Like moving stuff is so much easier and it doesn’t take up as much space and like, you know, it, that whole process is easier.

[00:34:13] but also one of those things is that if I forgotten something, I can very, I feel like I can much more quickly go through and like read some of that and be like, oh right.

[00:34:22] And then it’ll come back to me.

[00:34:24] Brett: Yeah. And you can search.

[00:34:26] Christina: That’s I that’s saying that to you. It’s like, yes

[00:34:29] Sandman on Audible, A Review

[00:34:29] Brett: Oh, oh. Speaking of reading.

[00:34:32] Christina: Yes.

[00:34:33] Brett: Sandman by Neil Gaiman is out as an audio book, a one and two are out and it is full cast. Reed’s got Kat Dennings and, uh, BB, uh, the, uh, Frazier’s wife,

[00:34:49] Christina: newer at BBB winner. Yep. Yeah. BB new earth.

[00:34:52] Brett: on there. And, uh, uh, Morpheus is played by why am I blanking? Um, [00:35:00] oh shit. No, it, I have to look it up real quick while we’re talking, because you’ll be impressed with who plays the Sandman.

[00:35:09] Christina: uh, oh, I see this as James

[00:35:11] Brett: Yeah, James McAvoy. It does an excellent job and it is it’s. It’s awesome. Like I wasn’t sure. How are you going to turn this graphic novel into an audio book, but it is,

[00:35:22] Christina: yeah. How did they do.

[00:35:23] Brett: well, you know, so like you’ve read graphic now.

[00:35:27] Christina: Yes.

[00:35:27] Brett: And l