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[00:00:00] Chapter I

[00:00:00] Brett: Hey there, you’re listening to Overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren and returning special guest Aaron Dawson. How are you ladies?

[00:00:14] Erin: Doing fine. Doing fine. Hello. It’s it’s Aaron it’s me from before the pods favorite guest

[00:00:21] Brett: You may remember me from such podcasts as Overtired.

[00:00:26] Christina: Exactly. We’re very happy to have you back.

[00:00:28] Erin: Thank you happy to be here,

[00:00:30] Brett: Is there even any bachelor news to talk about?

[00:00:33] Christina: Uh, this is just this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, what do you want to talk about with bachelor? Because there is a lot of stuff.

[00:00:41] Brett: let’s, let’s ease into this. I let that, I brought it up. I know, like I, I did that. That was my fault, but let’s, let’s ease into the bachelor conversation.

[00:00:53] Erin: fine.

[00:00:54] Brett: Fine. So what, like, what is what’s going on in the world? These.[00:01:00]

[00:01:00] That’s So Meta

[00:01:00] Christina: Um, well, uh, Facebook is, uh, is attempting to rebrand itself. They announced that their big, uh, Facebook connect conference that, um, the company name, um, they’re, they’re doing an umbrella company strategy kind of like, you know, alphabet. Yeah. Where, where that’s now going to be Metta.

[00:01:19] Brett: nobody knows who alphabet is like I under, I know, I know, but you can’t say alphabet,

[00:01:25] Christina: can’t. It doesn’t.

[00:01:26] Brett: that rebranding? Like, why are we doing this?

[00:01:28] Christina: This is a whole argument. I’m in getting into a people on Twitter because these rebranding never works. Like Altea, uh, everyone is still calls it Philip Morris, right? Like you, you never call, um, even though the, the, the sub-companies, but then alphabet it’s all Google, right? The stocks on bolt is still Google.

[00:01:47] Like these things don’t work. Like when, when Netflix tried to rebrand one of their products Quickster I think it lasted like a week. Um, I was, I was, uh, talking about this on Twitter. Like the only actual [00:02:00] successful time I can ever recall was Accenture. And that was because Arthur Anderson went out of business.

[00:02:06] So, um, for people who don’t know, um, Arthur Anderson used to be one of the big. Um, like accounting firms and they were probably the biggest and because of their, uh, involvement with the Enron scandal, they wound up going out of business. Um, first I think the government said they could not operate. And then once the government said that they could operate, they’re basically dead, but they took Arthur Anderson consulting, which had been a massive part of it.

[00:02:31] And they renamed that Accenture and that obviously still lives on today, but that’s one of the only examples I can think of. You sometimes see the inverse where like a company that’s known for something like a research in motion was known as Blackberry. So they renamed themselves Blackberry, but like, we still call like P Diddy puffy.

[00:02:50] Like, you know what I mean? And it’s been 20 years. So yeah, this, this, I think that’s their attempt to get away from the genocide, but it’s still gonna be [00:03:00] Facebook.

[00:03:00] Brett: Yeah. We’re the brand names like Google and Facebook and even, I mean, Philip Morris is still Philip Morris. Like you can’t, you can’t unbrand something that got that big.

[00:03:12] Christina: No, no people still call the Sears tower, the Sears tower and tears hasn’t helped the naming rights in like a really long time, but nobody will.

[00:03:19] Brett: now? CNN.

[00:03:21] Christina: even, I can’t even remember. Um, I’m, I’m looking this up, uh, Sears tower, Willis tower. Who, who the hell knows what that is. So like it’s. Yeah, exactly. So it’s the Sears tower, the, uh, the MetLife building on a 23rd street in, in New York city, um, near where I used to work will always be the Pan-Am building and like, pan am, I think when under like about the time I was born.

[00:03:44] So, you know what I mean? It’s like one of those things like the, these, the, and I think they lost the naming rights to the building even before the company went under. So some of this stuff is just it’s inevitable. Right. But also I feel like the jokes write themselves with them trying to call themselves [00:04:00] Metta because they’re so into the metaverse and like, you’ve already ruined this reality.

[00:04:03] Now you’re trying to ruin the next one.

[00:04:05] Brett: What is the metaverse

[00:04:09] Christina: Um,

[00:04:10] Brett: does that mean?

[00:04:11] Christina: I mean, it’s a bunch of bullshit, but I think the idea is that if you’re interconnected through like virtual communities and virtual realities and other sorts of, of things is kind of the idea there basically,

[00:04:23] Brett: internet.

[00:04:24] Christina: I mean kind of accepted, there’s like a virtual like, component where like, you know, you’d have like avatars and stuff that they’re basically trying to make second life a thing, but you know,

[00:04:34] Brett: Oh, is that what didn’t didn’t uh, uh, what’s his name? Mark Zuckerberg. To some commercial where he appeared as like an avatar. I saw he did like an interview as an avatar.

[00:04:46] Christina: Or something like that. Yeah.

[00:04:47] Brett: Yeah.

[00:04:49] Erin: It was during, uh, Pandemic, which as we know, is, is over with, I think it was the, the, they didn’t didn’t Facebook Metta, uh, [00:05:00] develop a kind of work from home or remote work. Um, yeah. Yeah, Like a metaverse where you have an avatar, is that where you were just talking about Christina and, and he showed up? Yeah,

[00:05:15] Christina: yeah, yeah, yeah, no. And, and, and that’s no, but you, you described it better than I did, so yeah. Like that’s exactly what they’re trying to kind of do. Yeah. It’s just such a weird thing. I was, I was also commenting that, like, this feels like the worst sort of like satirical, scifi, cyber punk, novel ever, because I feel like if you wrote a story that was like, okay, we have this company, that’s basically ruined humanity, but now they’re going to rebrand and they’re wanting to recreate, they’re wanting to create their own universe.

[00:05:40] And, and, but they’ll be the ones in charge of it. Like people would be like, that’s an O in the, and they’re, they’re going to call themselves Metta. I feel like people will be like, eh, that’s a little too on the nose, even for a second.

[00:05:50] Brett: Do you think that the, the, the company named motto was available or they sick? Army of lawyers on somebody.

[00:05:58] Christina: Um,

[00:05:59] Brett: There’s no [00:06:00] way that was available.

[00:06:01] Christina: I’m sure that it’s not, I’m sure they had to pay a bunch of money for the website, but I mean, I think you can, you pretty much oftentimes name your, your company. Anything you want, like

[00:06:11] Brett: I think within, within a state, I think you have to, when you register a company name, I think you have to have it, at least for the, the corporate identity. You have to have a unique name,

[00:06:20] Christina: Right. And that, I’m not sure how that works cause like, um, alphabet I’m sure. You know what I mean? Like a lot of these things are, are, are more generic. So I don’t know if there’s like a weird thing with, with how it’s, you know, like maybe they add like a, you know, a certain thing to it or whatever.

[00:06:35] Like again, like they do own mehta.com and it redirects to about.facebook.com/meta. So they don’t even have like their URL rewriting to mete.com yet, which is funny. Um, but yeah, I mean, I’m sure they had to pay a bunch of money for that. I was looking into it. They have the stock symbol FB, which is a good one.

[00:06:51] It’s a two name symbol. There is already a symbol. It’s not on the New York stock exchange or NASDAQ, but there is already a meta, um, symbol. [00:07:00] And so that makes me think, okay, they’re probably going to be like Google, who didn’t ever change their stock symbol. It’s still Gog. So, um, like, like, um, research emotion, which was Blackberry, they did change their stock symbol to, um, um, BB M R Y, but usually.

[00:07:20] I don’t know. I mean, it was probably a mix there aren’t many of these things that, that try, like, I don’t know if Altea Philip Morris probably did change their stock symbol, but, um, I don’t know, a Facebook is going to be like, I wouldn’t give up F be like, that’s a good one. Right? Like, you’ve got that two letter domain name.

[00:07:35] You got a two letter stock symbol, like, as we’ve seen from various Twitter hacks, the teens will seriously hack you to try to get your two letter or a single, you know, like or letter or like username. Like they, they love the OGE usernames. So I, if I were Facebook, I wouldn’t give that up.

[00:07:54] Erin: But why deny this? The precious. Uh, universe we can [00:08:00] build if F B was used by a fourth company, a forthcoming company called fuck boy. Right. And it would

[00:08:08] Christina: Right. Oh,

[00:08:09] Erin: in NASDAQ. Kevin also, I don’t know, maybe this can really turn things around for Facebook. Um, like what if JC Penney’s and Sears pulled this move?

[00:08:20] Maybe things could be different for them.

[00:08:23] Christina: I mean maybe, maybe, I mean, usually it doesn’t work. I try. So I, it was funny cause people were trying to, well, actually me when I was commenting that these things never work. And I was like, I’ve actually done research on this because when Ashley Madison had their breach, um, I wrote a, uh, my initial headline from Asheville was Ashley.

[00:08:41] Madison is fucked, which I still think is a great headline. Um, and it was changed at the last one. I got approval for it. And, and this was back mashville curses now, but they did not curse five years ago and or six years ago, whenever this was, um, written and, and instead, uh, one of my [00:09:00] editors and he was right, he kept the slug the same, but he changed it to Ashley.

[00:09:02] Madison is so screwed, but I did research on companies that have attempted this sort of rebranding thing. And sometimes, you know, for, for Blake. Crisis reasons. And sometimes it works, but usually like AirTran went out of business anyway. Like I still call it value jet. Right. Like I, you know, I mean, uh, this is for people from the south who remember a certain airlines, somebody pointed out like the, the exception that proves the rule, which would be Verizon, which, um, was formerly bell Atlantic and, and that’s, but it does kind of prove the rule.

[00:09:33] A funny story here, funny aside here. So, um, when 18 T was split up, cause they had all the baby bells, bell, south bell, Atlantic bell, you know, Pacific, um, you know, Southwestern bell, all that sort of stuff. Um, bell south then became singular and Cingular bought up a bunch of the other baby bells and was huge.

[00:09:51] And they wound up acquiring, um, 18 T wireless, which was not associated with the original at T and T. And as soon as they acquired the [00:10:00] smaller company, the CEO of singular who had. For at T and T before the breakup days, like his very first move, like within days of the deal closing, was he renamed the company at T and T and we’d be like, why he was like, why would, why would we not?

[00:10:14] You know? And it was just kind of funny. It was like, yep. Even though bell, south, and even at that point, singular was like a well-known name, you know, they’re like, but at, and T is better,

[00:10:23] Brett: I have a question. So, and maybe the answer to this is, is just the obvious one. Um, I’m hoping it’s not what a product or service does this fictitious fuckboy company provides.

[00:10:38] Christina: Oh, that’s a good question. Also a fun fact also. Yeah. Please tell us, but I did want to point out to people if you go to fuckboy.com, so F U C K B O y.com. It redirects to someone’s Twitter page. And I want to I’m following him now, just because of that redirect.

[00:10:53] Brett: Do you think, do you think he made the redirect or someone

[00:10:56] Christina: Oh, that’s such a,

[00:10:57] Brett: him?

[00:10:58] Christina: honestly, I don’t even care. [00:11:00] I’m I’m but that’s a great, I’m going to do a, who is on that right now, but sorry, please tell us the services that fuckboy, um, the entity would sell Erin. Cause I want to know those two.

[00:11:09] Erin: Well, before I get to that, I have to admit that I only brought up the JC Penny’s thing because I wanted to riff on alternative names for JC Penney and Sears. So it would be like, you know, PJ Nichols, or it could be.

[00:11:24] Christina: PJ Nicole’s

[00:11:25] Erin: I don’t know. All right, this is, I’m not going to go anywhere with this bit, but, but for the fuck boy thing, all right, what you’re going to get is you’re going to go, you’re going to invest in fuck boy.

[00:11:35] And as a thank you, the board is going to send you a fuck boy for a period of, uh, of, of two and a half hours or the fuck boys choosing could be all night. And I’m in

[00:11:49] Brett: Minimum minimum two and a half.

[00:11:51] Erin: Right, right, right, right. And in a sort of, um, chip and Dale’s inspired sartorial vibe, they [00:12:00] will wear, um, minimum clothes, but be bedecked with accessories.

[00:12:07] I don’t know if that’s the word. Um, but basically what they’ll do is they’ll bring over some grapes, put them in your fridge. And feed them to you sometimes, but they’ll also talk to you about, um, like the ion a sphere and how like, um, distilled water is actually good for you. Um, and how water, when it goes into your body, looks for minerals.

[00:12:29] Um, And, and they’re really into, um, what, what’s the kind of like, um, it starts with an age and approach to science and food where you actually use the thing that you’re trying to avoid to cure the thing that you

[00:12:45] Christina: Oh. Oh, right, right, right. Yes. There you

[00:12:48] Erin: talk. Yeah. So they talked to you a lot about homeopathy and like who they’re fucking, and then they leave. And you look for your, your, your, like your nice necklace and it’s not [00:13:00] gone, but it, it, it is, it has been repositioned

[00:13:02] Brett: I will. I’ll be surprised if they ever go public. I just, I don’t see them needing that stock symbol.

[00:13:08] Christina: yeah, I, I, I feel, I feel the same way, unfortunately, although I think it’s a great idea. I also feel like fuck as a service would be something that I’m exactly, exactly right. CC instead of function, as a service fuckboy, as a service, I’m really into this being our, our fast, um, naming, right? Like I feel like there could be a whole thing there.

[00:13:28] Erin: Oh, my God. There’s a, there’s a, there’s a company within fuck boy, which is inner intermittent fasting. See where I’m going.

[00:13:37] Christina: Totally.

[00:13:37] Erin: All right.

[00:13:38] Brett: no, actually I didn’t get it yet. I just, I started laughing at the idea. So please explain it.

[00:13:45] Erin: Wow, God, fuck you, Brett. Um, yeah. So the idea is that, um, once, once you use the fuckboy service, you kind of become addicted. And like processed foods, they’re kind of designed [00:14:00] to addict you. They hijack the pleasure centers of your brain. And so what you can Do what they put you on in a kind of MLM scheme, um, is, is the kind of create a need for you.

[00:14:11] To tell others about the fuck by service in so doing you become addicted. And so this is when they, they offer you fast, which is like a way to wean yourself off and give the gift of the fuck boy service to other people. Any, any more questions

[00:14:28] Brett: you want to hear the band name? I came up.

[00:14:31] Erin: and.

[00:14:32] Brett: So like, okay. We talk, there was this conversation happening about naming things in my brain went off to this. Like I was talking with my girlfriend and she mentioned that she had talked to Steve from college. And a lot of times I think, oh, that’s a great band name.

[00:14:50] You know, when people are talking. And I think I’ll probably remember that, cause it’s a great band name, but this is the first time it’s ever actually happened. I want to name a band. Steve comma from [00:15:00] college. Punctuation is important. Steve camo from college. That’s that’s the big, I don’t know if it is. Is it a good, is it a good black metal name?

[00:15:09] Aaron

[00:15:10] Erin: It’s not a good black metal name. It’s a good, I don’t know, kind of.

[00:15:16] Brett: and sons.

[00:15:17] Erin: No, no, it’s not antebellum kind of civil war stuff. It’s pretty straight ahead in D uh, I have,

[00:15:23] Christina: say, that’s a good Indy name. I like Steve

[00:15:25] Brett: a math rock name.

[00:15:26] Erin: Okay. I’m going to think about that. I have a, I have a friend who’s in a band called Tony from bowling.

[00:15:31] Brett: I love

[00:15:32] Erin: Um, so the format works. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking, and maybe Christina, you can give us your provisional, uh, that would make a good band name.

[00:15:42] What about this? And this could be a pretty vial pestilence filled like thrash band, but, um, seal PIs.

[00:15:56] Brett: I feel like you’re just taking two words and putting them together. [00:16:00]

[00:16:00] Erin: So what if I

[00:16:00] am, but seal PIs it’s it’s evocative. You, you can’t deny that

[00:16:06] Christina: It’s the bucket of, I don’t know, like, I feel like anything with, with like a piss kimono, I’m just, I’m I’m immediately kind of turned off. I mean, I guess it depends completely on the genre. Like if you were going after a certain genre where maybe that sort of thing fits, it’s definitely a bucket, but I’m just like, ah, you know, like.

[00:16:21] Erin: said you were turned. What I didn’t and I didn’t hear which way offer.

[00:16:25] Christina: Oh, I’m turned off. Yeah,

[00:16:27] Erin: Oh, that’s too

[00:16:27] Brett: one of my favorite bands back in the, uh, early, late nineties, I guess was called ass rash. Uh, and it was named because that was the one thing, the guy couldn’t say in front of his girlfriend without pissing her off, like, she was very permissive, but she hated the idea of ass rash. So that’s what he called his band.

[00:16:47] And that’s exactly like that attitude is exactly the kind of music they made and I loved it.

[00:16:54] Erin: And now they have 2.5 kids and.

[00:16:58] Brett: I haven’t followed.

[00:16:58] Erin: They’re still together.

[00:16:59] Brett: I [00:17:00] haven’t kept up.

[00:17:01] Christina: As rash.

[00:17:02] Brett: possible. I mean, anything’s possible.

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[00:19:25] BRETT’S Mental Health Corner

[00:19:25] Brett: Um, where were we? We were talking about naming bands. Like, so just so our listeners know, we, we, we, we often say that we didn’t have a list when we started the show. Like, we didn’t know what we were going to talk about. This was the most unprepared we have ever been.

[00:19:47] Like, I’m super curious to see what happens because I have no idea where this is going to go.

[00:19:54] Christina: Yeah, well, w we, we, we missed on Brett’s mental health core.

[00:19:58] Brett: Oh my

[00:19:58] Erin: I was just going to [00:20:00] say I wasn’t bred. If I, if I can say I was in a meeting with you earlier. And my immediate impression, um, when, when I saw your sweet little face pop up on my, uh, zoom application was. Seems tired. And so if we could move competently into this, this section of the podcast, I’d be curious to see if I was right.

[00:20:21] Brett: Yeah. So I like to call it the mental health corner. Christina calls it Brett’s mental health corner and I, I feel attacked.

[00:20:31] Christina: I mean, you, I think you were the one who started calling it, press mental health corner. I’d be happy to call it the mental health corner. But again, like, like we just talked about rebranding. I don’t know if that’s going to work. Like, obviously it’s not just about Brett, but it’s, it’s Brett’s mental health corner.

[00:20:44] That’s what it’s been for however many years.

[00:20:46] Brett: All right. So, so I like, I’m pretty stable, but not sleeping eight and a half hours a night. Like I prefer to, like, I keep waking up at like four or five and just [00:21:00] getting up. So I have this like long running, slightly tired. I’ve just, I haven’t felt awake in a couple of weeks. Um, I saw my shrink. I can’t remember if I had seen her last time we talked, but she lowered my, uh, ADHD meds.

[00:21:19] Christina: Right. I mean, we talked about that. How has that been

[00:21:22] Brett: It’s it’s fine. Like it still does the trick. Uh, but she also raised the mood stabilized at once and I haven’t, I haven’t gone manic, but it’s only been a week, two weeks. A week. Um, so it’s hard to say if it’s actually going to work yet, but I have another appointment with her coming up on, I think next, next, mid, next week I have to check in, I don’t know how much it would be able to tell her with only two weeks of experience, but oh, here’s hoping for the best

[00:21:57] Christina: All right. Fingers crossed there. Uh, Aaron, how about you? How’s [00:22:00] your.

[00:22:02] Erin: Thanks for asking. Um, Uh, it’s okay. Um, therapy’s been helping a lot, but maybe we’ve talked about this before, but the thing about therapy is that things kind of necessarily have to get worse before they get better. Um, so I’m, I’m in the trough of my brain, of my, of my gray matter right now, but, um, I’m sleeping. Okay.

[00:22:24] So that’s a big, not, not to, you know, sorry, Brett, but.

[00:22:27] Brett: bragger bragger.

[00:22:29] Christina: I’m glad. I’m glad. I’m glad you are. Mine is okay too. I’m I’m, I’m going out of town. Um, this weekend I leave on a red eye at like 10:00 PM tonight. So in like nine hours and, um, so I have to do laundry. Um, and, uh, I’m excited about that. I’m going to go to do Halloween with my, uh, six month old nephew and, um, see my parents.

[00:22:49] So I’m, I’m, that’s improved my, my mental health, you know, feeling like I’m excited to see people does, has anybody had the booster.

[00:22:58] Brett: No.

[00:22:59] Erin: No. [00:23:00]

[00:23:00] Christina: I’m going to look into that as soon as I get back, um, to figure out

[00:23:04] Erin: Yeah. Who knows if we’ll be able to I mean, we’re all approximately the same age. I think those over 65 can only get it right now. Right.

[00:23:12] Christina: No, it’s

[00:23:12] Erin: when that’s changing.

[00:23:13] Christina: it’s 65. And if you have any sort of underlying condition and so, so the thing is, is it, and it’s the honor system just like before. And although I like really went out of my way to like wait in line to be patient and all that shit last time. Fuck that the, I talked to you cause I volunteered at our mass, um, vaccination site, um, twice, uh, last time, in fact I did that, so I could get it early.

[00:23:36] Like I got it like two weeks early because of that. And um, from that process, like what they were telling us is they were like, the name of the game is getting shots in arms. Like that’s all it’s about. So if it’s available, especially since there are so many people who still don’t even have their first doses, fuck it.

[00:23:50] I’m, I’m getting my third shot. Like. not, especially since instance apply isn’t, you know, an issue like they’re, they’re only [00:24:00] claiming that like, you need to be, they’re saying six months and, you know, over 65 or under 65 with an underlying condition. They’re only saying that I think to just try to keep supply, you know, decent, but there there’s no reason medical reason why, like you couldn’t.

[00:24:19] Brett: I hope enough people are finally getting vaccinated that we could have a supply problem.

[00:24:24] Christina: no, I mean, I, I, that would be, I guess in theory I’d be good. I, I have a feeling that just because of how they’ve been able to do the manufacturing, I think that even if everybody were to get them, I think they have enough doses for literally everyone. Like, I, I don’t, I, I, so, you know, it’s at the point where, and a lot of other countries don’t the United States is very fortunate, unfortunately, and we’ve tried to send things to some of those other countries, unfortunately, And this is why maybe a global, you know, like organized response would have been better.

[00:24:54] A lot of those countries that don’t have supply had taken it upon themselves to [00:25:00] endorse and support a local vaccine. And so they, that was what their policy said. So it was like, okay, well you wanted your own, you didn’t want to, you know, go in and get stuff from other people. So, I mean, at this point I would like them to be able to pivot and accept or buy vaccines from other people, but they might not be able to write.

[00:25:18] They might’ve already paid, you know, the people who can’t deliver it, it it’s a whole clusterfuck, but I think that supply wise, at least in the United States, um, because we’re very fortunate. I think that it’s fine. So I feel zero guilt about figuring out how I can go into a Walgreens or Amazon and get it.

[00:25:35] Brett: If I recall correctly, ADHD is listed as an underlying condition that qualifies you, which seemed odd to me. Uh,

[00:25:43] Christina: it is, and it’s not. It’s like, if you look at certain things, they claim certain types of diseases could be something and it falls under that. But again, I was at the center, this was back when they were, you know, especially in Washington state, we were allotted. Um, hardcore [00:26:00] and like gatekeepery about who could have shots.

[00:26:02] Like we didn’t roll it out even to the, you know, a lot of people who had like cancer and stuff, didn’t even, weren’t even able to even able to get it until like March. Um, and so once it became more widely available, like literally what the, and this was the, the health experts, and this was the people running these centers, literally what they were like as they were like, the name of the game is shots in arms.

[00:26:21] So if you can get it, get it. And, and like I said, I played by the rules even though a lot of people didn’t, which I don’t blame them for. I’m not doing that again. Like, unless you could prove to me, like with evidence that there are a ton of people who want the booster and can’t get it, fuck that I’m getting the booster as soon as it’s, as soon as like, I can fit it into my

[00:26:40] Brett: Christina’s back and she’s mad. Yeah. Oh yeah. I, if I, if I was, if I was interacting with more actual live people on a daily basis, I would, I would, it would be top of mind for me, but I forget that it’s even an option because Jesus, I don’t see anybody.[00:27:00]

[00:27:00] Christina: Yeah, I will remind people though, to get your flu shot because, um, um, and, and you can get them both at the same time, although that might be kind of a shitty, you know, like your both arms will hurt,

[00:27:09] Brett: You can have two shitty days or one really shitty day.

[00:27:14] Christina: So, so even so, but I would just say like, even if you aren’t interested or you don’t feel like you need a booster right now, which is totally valid, get a flu shot because, uh, again, like, because people haven’t been out as much and whatnot, um, they don’t know how powerful flu is going to be this year, but it is one of those things because people are going out more, you know, you don’t want people to be like surprised and then, and then get the flu because the flu is, is deadly too.

[00:27:37] And, um, so yeah.

[00:27:40] Erin: I just, I just got mine the other day. Um, and I was happy. I did. Yeah. Brett, you mentioned not really seeing anyone much anymore. Um, and I’ve been thinking about. About that in my life. Like my, my partner last weekend, uh, once in New York to, um, help [00:28:00] with a prestigious art project, um, that I can’t name and won’t name because I, cause I do forget it.

[00:28:07] Um, and she was, and she was gone for the weekend. Um, and, and a little bit of Monday and as soon as she was, I just moved to and back to. Um, a new city. Um, I moved from Los Angeles to Pittsburgh and as soon as she left, um, the. Not so rational part of my brain was like, okay, when does, when does my phone overheat from all the texts and calls that I get?

[00:28:39] Like, where are, where are my friends Right.

[00:28:42] now? And, um, this is a rational because I I told none of them that my weekend was completely free, but it also made me think about like, am I have I become. A person, that person in a relationship [00:29:00] who really only hangs out with their partner or is it, is it COVID and, and friends are, as I have been as a friend, um, not just like less available, but much more unlikely to, to like initiate a hang or something, or is it both, um, either way, like, I feel compunction about.

[00:29:25] Brett: I feel like I know the answer to this, but are you an introvert? Do you self identify as introverted?

[00:29:32] Erin: Like, no, I don’t. And I used to, and this is something that’s been weird is as I, um, as I evolve as an adult, I am becoming more extroverted and, and, um, that was, that’s not who I used to be. Um, but no, I don’t identify as an introvert. I think that’s the first time I’m saying that.

[00:29:53] Brett: Huh? Yeah. I, I only hang out with my girlfriend and [00:30:00] hanging out with other people, even if I really liked them. It’s it pains me. I can go like maybe half an hour with someone I really like, uh, before I get like crabby and want them gone. And like my energy just runs out. I become more and more introverted as I’ve aged.

[00:30:19] Erin: Is there a hierarchy to that though? Like it is, If someone’s in the inner sanctum or the inner circle, you can maybe go for 45 minutes or an hour, like I’m going to make this weird cause I want to, um, Christina, and Brett, if you were getting a tea, would that rule apply for you Brett

[00:30:38] Brett: If

[00:30:38] Erin: or would that feeling?

[00:30:40] Yeah, just as a, as a, as a sample sample of.

[00:30:43] Brett: I don’t know. We’d have to test it. Like there have been times where I have been shocked that I lost track of time with somebody and, uh, like just, I wanted the conversation to keep going, like, uh, for whatever reason it hit the right buttons for me. [00:31:00] And I didn’t look at the clock. Uh, once by the time I realized that’s happening, though, it means I’ve already like.

[00:31:08] Christina: Right. You re reached that point. No, that’s an interesting thing. I’m kind of like you, Aaron, like as I’ve gotten older, I’ve become, I’m not an introvert. And I, I probably. All of my adult life. But, um, you know, for, since I guess probably my late teens, I wouldn’t classify myself that way. Growing up, there were periods where I would.

[00:31:27] Um, and, and there are, I’ve had, I’ve had times where I’ve had like agoraphobia and if I have periods of social anxiety as an adult that been really difficult, but I’m not an introvert, but what I found is, and part of the reason that kind of got me out of being an introvert and being a more extrovert person, although I like my alone time and I can definitely like I’m using myself and whatnot.

[00:31:46] And there are times when I’m exhausted after spending a ton of time with people. But I feel like that’s natural. I think even people that like get energy off of being with others, there’s a certain point where you’re like, okay, now I just need to decompress. Um, I feel like that is [00:32:00] fairly universal, but I have found that what helped that honestly was being around more and more people.

[00:32:05] And that’s the thing that’s. The pandemic so difficult for me is that I haven’t been around my friends. I haven’t been around people. And so I felt like I’ve gone more into this introverted place that I don’t like. And that I don’t think, at least for me it’s healthy. I mean, I think for some people it’s fine, but for me I’m much happier when I’m able to be with people and, and, uh, in person.

[00:32:27] Right. Like, I, I do get something out of that. I really enjoy it. My husband is way more introverted and, and that’s kind of a problem with us sometimes because I really like to go out with people. And so he oftentimes doesn’t come and, and, you know, and then there can be weirdness there, but I’m like, I’m at the point where I will not, not go, you know, and, and see people because, you know, uh, my partner doesn’t want to come with me, like, okay, if you don’t want to come, that’s completely fine.

[00:32:52] But like, I’m, I’m going to

[00:32:53] Erin: It’s a medicine.

[00:32:55] Brett: girlfriend has no expectation that I will accompany her anywhere. It’s always a [00:33:00] surprise if I decide to go, but she is just fine without me. It’s a,

[00:33:04] Christina: Which is, which I think is great. Right. Which I think is completely fine. Right. Like some, sometimes I think that people, like there can be awareness about it or whatever, but like in general, that is completely, you know, like I think. Okay. And, but for me, it is one of those weird things where I’m just like, Like you said, it’s my medicine.

[00:33:21] And so that’s been, what’s been so hard about the last 18 months has been that like I used to travel a lot. And one of the great things about going on international trips was that I got to see a different variety of people. I’d have some of the same people on most of the trips with me, but it was a different kind of variety.

[00:33:36] And you get to know people in a different way and, um, you know, and you, and you spend a lot of time together. It’s kind of like college and, you know, and I miss that. I miss being there, you know, I have a really good core group of friends that we have, uh, a group chat that we’re always in together. And we used to be able to see each other, even though we all live in different states, we used to be able to see each other fairly frequently, right?

[00:33:55] Like we usually saw each other at least once a month and not having that has been [00:34:00] really hard.

[00:34:00] Erin: Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know if, if, if we have to hear from one of our other sponsors in a second, but, but just to maybe close the loop on this, um, I have not been, uh, depressed since, uh, the pandemic started, but the flavor of depression that I have dictates that, and maybe Christina. You’re similar, is that, yeah, I, the, the exact thing that I need to get out of this thing is the exact thing that I do not want.

[00:34:28] It is the opposite of homeopathy. It’s it’s hetero Stacy. I don’t

[00:34:34] Christina: Exactly. Yeah, no, no. I know exactly, exactly. It goes against the, against the grain, like other than some periods where I had like very deep agoraphobia, which was weird and I didn’t know. And I, I went on some medication, some other things for that. Like, even though it is the uncomfortable thing is like, that’s why I have to do, I have to get out and talk to people, even when it kills me, because that’s going to make me feel better and that’s going to ultimately make me more able to talk to people and be able to be [00:35:00] outgoing and an extrovert.

[00:35:01] But yeah. Um, okay. Yes. Uh, but speaking of, uh, stuff, this is just going to be a weird segue onto our next

[00:35:08] Brett: Speaking of stuff. That’s my segue. Do your own segue to,

[00:35:13] Christina: Okay. Well, I I’m, there’s not a way to really go into a segway here.

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