225: The Stock Market and You

Christina

[00:00:00] Christina:You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren here with Brett Terpstra. Brett, how are you?

Brett:I am. I’m good. I’m good. My, my, like, like a cycle of like, uh, having a manic episode a week seems to be, I think I’m in the clear, I think I’m good. How are you?

Christina:Okay, so we’re going to do Christina’s health corner of this week. Um,

Brett:We never do. Christina’s health corner.

Christina:we don’t and yet, yeah, so I take, um, an antidepressant called, uh, Trintellix and I take, I’m supposed to take a dose like at night. And, and the reason I take it at night, instead of in the morning with my other pills is because like, it’s sometimes can like upset my stomach or something.

And it’s just, it’s a weird thing. So I take it at night. Well, I miscalculated and I. Ran out of doses. And I realized this [00:01:00] yesterday at like 10:00 PM. Um, so I’ll, I’ll pick up my prescription today, but I didn’t take it last night. And as a result, even though the half-life on it, isn’t super bad. It’s not like effects are aware if you miss a dose, like you immediately feel like withdrawal symptoms, like instantly like a, I had really weird.

Dreams and kind of like fitful dreams, meaning that like seven or nine minutes would seem like way longer than it normally is. And this has happened before when I forgot to take it to us for whatever reason. So like really weird dreams, kind of uneven sleep. And I’m just feeling, I’m going to be honest with the listeners and with you, I’m just feeling kind of, not completely with it.

Brett:yeah, I’m on, I’m on, um, uh, not Abilify. Uh, Lamictal is like, I get [00:02:00] withdrawal from that. It’s a mood stabilizer. And if I miss a dose of that, uh, not only do I get all like skin Crawley and like this weird physical, anxious feeling, uh, I also get that. Not quite with it feeling

Christina:Yeah, this is, yeah, this is weird. Cause it’s not, like I said, it’s not like a normal sort of withdrawal feeling. I mean, like, it is a withdrawal of sorts, but it’s not like a normal sort of that, like it, I don’t have the, the skin Crawley. I don’t have like the feeling like I’m going insane kind of thing.

Like I do with, um, like if I miss like an effects or dose or something, Um, affects her is really bad. Um, if you miss, like the half-life on that is so short, that it’s bad. Um, I once had to, um, an ex-boyfriend in college once contacted me because his new girlfriend, I guess, had been staying with him and, um, like left her pills, like at our [00:03:00] house, I guess, like she lived in like South Carolina or something and she was like, Going crazy because she was off her meds and was like, withdrawing, like crazy.

So he like reached out to me because he was freaking out. So she like came over and she was like, can I like, you know, I had to like find out her dose. And I was like, how many pills do you need? And she was like, I just needed one. I was like, no, how many do you actually need? Because it was one of those things where like our breakup was not great.

And it was still one of those things where I was like, yeah, I don’t want to wish this on anyone. So. For his sake and her sake, I was like, here, I will, I will give you a couple of pills. Um, so it’s not like that, but I am like totally kind of all over the place and yeah, the, the sleep thing. Is like the weirdest part because, um, a like took me forever to go to sleep.

And then once I finally did, I was just in like, these really like fitful, but like intense kind of REM cycles where [00:04:00] my alarm would go off and, you know, I’d hit the snooze and like, I’d have like nine minutes of seemingly actual sleep, but like I’d have dreams and stuff, which almost never in that period of time.

Uh, and then like, you know, waking up and just being like, feeling just disoriented. So that’s, that’s that’s me. Um, also I was just then talking about sleep. So that’s maybe a good segue for some stuff you want to talk about too early. Okay.

Brett:too early sponsors have to come between 30 and 70% marks in the show, unless this is going to be a really short show. How you feeling?

Christina:I’m feeling. I know it’s not there. Okay. So, all right. So see, this is, this is showing how bad, like I am at, like, I was trying to do the whole, um,

Brett:It was a Valiant

Christina:thing. I’m sorry. I was trying, but yeah, so I’m feeling weird to be totally honest, but other than that, like my health corner is okay. I guess. Um, Grant’s been having some major health issues, but this is not Grant’s health corner.

This is Christina and bread’s health corner. So.

[00:05:00] Brett:So here’s my, my drug slash sleep thing I used to take, uh, I think they’re called Z class, like Lunesta, um, sleeping meds. And, uh, what’s the one that, uh, like politicians always get in trouble for. Ambien. I used to take both, not at the same time, but I’ve been on both of those. And I, uh, I, it affected my memory to the extent that like, I would forget things within five minutes.

And as soon as I stopped taking those, like I could, I could think again, but I couldn’t sleep. So they put me on transit don’t uh, and then there was. Something else that I was on. But anyway, long story short, I can no longer sleep without drugs. Fortunately, one of the, uh, bipolar medications that I take is called, um, it’s a weird saffras and no one, no [00:06:00] one seemed to have ever heard of it, but it’s

Christina:yeah, I was going to say, I’ve never heard about that one.

Brett:like it dissolves under your tongue. You put these

Christina:Oh, one of those. Yeah.

Brett:under your tongue and it dissolves and it will knock you out. So I don’t have to take any other sleep meds now, but if I run out of those, there’s no way I’m sleeping that night. It’s like you described with just like the fitful in and out half, half asleep, half awake.

It, it sucks.

Christina:Yeah, no, that’s unfortunate. Although I’m glad like you have something that can get you to sleep. Yeah. I’ve um, I used to take NyQuil until I kind of like, uh, and my doctors even used to like recommend it. And then I kind of like became immune to NyQuil, which was unfortunate. Um, grant used to take Ambien.

And when he was on Ambien, he would have, you know, some people will do the things where they have like sleepwalking and sleep, eating and whatnot. He would have a thing where he would just like buy really weird stuff.

Brett:You go into this like weird blackout [00:07:00] mode that can involve hallucinations and you you’re super lucid and you feel like you’re making all the right decisions. Uh, but you absolutely aren’t. So I get that I’ve been there. My, uh, my ex wife used to take Ambien as well. And, uh, yeah, we had some very interesting conversations, post taking an Ambien.

Christina:Yeah. Yeah, no, I I’ve never really taken it. I think for that reason. Cause I was always like, yeah, I don’t know about that. Cause yeah. Cause grant would have a thing where yeah, I remember one time he got, he bought like a bunch of like G4 Aero, G three era, really like, um, Mack towers

Brett:a punch, huh?

Christina:like three of them

Brett:Like wildlife while they were popular or like, while they were recurrent

Christina:no, this was no, this wasn’t like.

No, this was like in 2009, but [00:08:00] they’re in my parents’ basement now. And it’s like, they were like that the Sawtooth Aero ones. And, um, and one of them was like the, the, the G three that had, um, like the iMac colored kind of, uh, um, uh, front, which was similar to the Saatchi to design. But just like it was, it was the Aqua Marine color rather than the, uh, darker blue,

Brett:I remember it,

Christina:the Bondai color.

Yeah,

Brett:like the, that was the first Mac I actually worked on. I had that at my, uh, my first job out of college. It was, uh, a G three, I think. But it

Christina:It was.

Brett:Marine. Yeah.

Christina:Yeah, they’re a nice machine. So he bought like couple of those. I think one point you also had like, got like a 19 inch monitor, which CRT, which we got rid of that when we moved, because that was dumb even then. And it was like, this was when nobody wanted a CRT, but I think that it was one of those deals where like he had to get the CRT in order to, uh, get the computer.

And then he got like some sort of like weird [00:09:00] terminal, um, I guess emulator, like, uh, things like, like a weird, I guess, like terminal systems that had really bizarre, um, input methods, like implant mechanisms that you couldn’t even use with anything else. It wasn’t even like a VTE or whatever. Like, it was just, it was something bizarre that like, I think in his mind, he thought he could do something with it and he couldn’t.

And, um, and for years he tried to defend. That purchase. And then he finally like came and was like, no, that was like, there was, there was, that was the most bizarre, weirdest, like dumbest thing. I was like, thank you. It only took you like five years to come to terms with that. Uh, I mean, not that I cared, you know, or whatever, it was just one of those like funny things.

I think he might’ve bought a spark box for some reason.

Brett:can’t remember what a sparked boxes.

Christina:Those were those sun boxes that were like shaped like pizza boxes. They were often known. They like that. Like the sun, like pizza boxes, like the, the big, you know, kind of like server things that, um, before Lennox was when everyone used was like, what nerves, [00:10:00] I guess, in the, in the mid nineties, all lusted after. Cause it was like it’s Unix, but I can, I can have it on my desk.

Brett:wait, what was that line from? I think it was Jurassic park.

Christina:Yeah,

Brett:is Unix. I know this.

Christina:yes, yes, yes. Which is such a club it’s like line, uh, and which, you know, like obviously became a meme, um, within like five years, you know, or whatever, like what monks nerds, maybe even earlier, I became aware of it within five years and like knew the context, but the movie came out in 93 and that actress was probably like 12 years old.

Like the fact that they would write that in there. I wonder if that was a like requirement for them being able to use all of that, like, you know, risk stuff that they were doing for like the SGI stuff that they were doing for the graphics that they had to, you know, like name, check Unix. I don’t know. [00:11:00] Cause it’s such a weird choice to be like, it’s Unix. I know this. It’s like, I, I know that they like established, I believe that she was some sort of like very technical, like computer thing, which in retrospect, like, I appreciate that it was the, the, the girl child that had that skill and not the little boy, but totally, but I it’s also like it’s 1993, the only people who have access to Unix are like academics.

Or very, very, very rich, you know, people, um, if you’re not working in like a day job and something like this is not something where like I could imagine you would come home and you’d be like, yeah, we just have a Unix box at home. Like that. That’s literally the whole reason we have Linux.

Brett:teen 94, the guitarist in my band, his older brother got a, um, [00:12:00] What was it? What, what, what was Steve jobs doing when he left Apple next? He got her next box that, uh, he, I don’t remember what, uh, the base OSPF next to us was, but yeah, that makes sense. That makes perfect sense. But he had hacked it to as like a Linux box and it was fun, but I, I, I got my, uh, Linux chops.

Uh, or Unix chops by logging into the mainframe back when they were called mainframes at the local college. And, uh, like you could, it was gopher was how I got into it, but then I had to learn my way around a command line. And I had my own little Tilda. Uh, I think my username was Ali Smith. I don’t remember why, but like Tilda Ali Smith.

And you had your, like your personal webpage and everything at that, these were good memories. It was [00:13:00] why I first built a Linux machine was because I had so much fun learning Unix. On the mainframe, the ASMR 400, I think that’s what it was. That’s a machine, right? An ASMR 400.

Christina:I think so.

Brett:Yeah. It’s all, it’s all distant memories.

There was a lot of heroin between that or no,

Christina:Yeah, no, that that’s that’s that that’s so funny. Well, it was funny. You mentioned, you mentioned like gopher because I remember having to get onto my sister’s. Like she went to the university of Georgia and I remember having to use like a gopher client or maybe it was like something called, like Kermit or something.

I’m trying to remember now.

Brett:right. That was current. It was a protocol.

Christina:Okay. Okay.

Brett:was a modem protocol.

Christina:Oh, okay. All right. Well, I remember using gofer and Kermit to have to get on, uh, cause we had like a, a laptop. We didn’t have our desktop. Then we had like a laptop and I bought an external modem [00:14:00] for it because I was that child. And um, this is when I was like 12 and a loving or 12 and I, um, Because it might’ve been even before she started college that we first had to do it.

I don’t remember. And having to like, do that ticket on the course catalog so that she could register for classes. I remember that. I also remember, I mean, it was, it’s funny because, um, she didn’t go to college with a, with a computer and it wasn’t because she couldn’t have. I mean, we didn’t have a lot of money then, but you know, we, my parents would have figured something out.

It wasn’t because like, you know, uh, she couldn’t have, or whatever, it was just, it wasn’t a requirement. So she, you know, didn’t have a computer at college. Like she would go to the labs. And then eventually when we got our Pentium 90, uh, which was like my first real. Real computer that I was obsessed with and it, you know, [00:15:00] helps pay for and all kinds of other things that really kind of kick-started me into computing.

Um, because I, I, at this point I’d already read and was like pseudo expert, at least in theory about how. You know, computers worked and use and was, uh, uh, uh, uh, like a defacto CIS admin in the Mac lab, uh, at school. But like, um, she will come home and, and use that, uh, or, or more correctly, like she’d come home and like, I would, you know, do stuff, um, for her, but yeah, but it’s so funny to think about, like, I always think about that, but like, for me, there was no question, like, You had to have a computer like to go in college, like, you know, like w wasn’t it, I think like, and it, to me, like, I actually got a really, really nice computer for Christmas when I was, uh, 15 or 16.

And like two years later, when I went away to college, I got, um, And even nicer, you know, computer that, that I like took [00:16:00] with me and that I paid for part of it, this, when I worked at best buy. And I, um, so I did like, I, I could have taken the computer that I got a couple of years earlier with me, but I, I did not, I was like, no, I’m going to get like, you know, brand new thing or whatever.

And, and I made friends with people the first week in the dorms because a lot of people didn’t have either Netscape, um, uh, cards and their computers because they bought cheap like III machines. And then realize that they couldn’t get on the networks and didn’t know how to install a PCI card. So I just like went to best buy and bought like a whole stack of them.

And then we just kind of go to the dormer dorm and install people’s PCIE cards. Like it’s no people,

Brett:a price. You’re doing this for free. Oh, that’s crazy.

Christina:I know. I know. I mean, I made them pay for the card, but, uh, it was like the first week of school, you know, you’re trying to get to know people. I did charge for HBO when we got HBO. Um, and, and want to making money.

Um, so is how it worked is that we got basic cable for [00:17:00] free, but if you wanted to get HBO together channels, like I had to call Comcast and I had to like, get a package specifically added on to my unit. And it was not an easy process because like the way that our dorms worked as they were like, they were like apartments.

And so it was not an easy process for me to call them and figure out a way for me to just. You know, upgrade that part of the package because the rest of it was, was paid for, and only to be built for the HBO and Showtime. Um, and, and then pay for the cable boxes. Uh, th the would, you know, offer the stuff.

So like I had one in my room and then one in the living room. And then, um, we would have like group watch parties for sex and the city and the Sopranos and queer spoken stuff. And so people would come over and would watch, and I would like say, Hey, can you ship in some money for the cable bill? And. And I didn’t make a lot of money or anything, but I did make a little bit of money off of that.

So.

Brett:when I was in college, I lived in this, [00:18:00] uh, I guess you would call it a punk house. It was, it was mostly junkies, but not entirely junkies, but we, uh, we pulled the cable. We, we tapped into the neighbor’s cable line. Ran it up the utility pole across, down the other utility pole and into our house.

And then it was, I don’t remember how exactly it worked, but basically premium channels were just filtered.

Christina:Yep. Yep. It was exactly how it worked.

Brett:if you unfiltered it, you got everything.

Christina:Right. They’re scrambled. They were called scramblers. Yep.

Brett:Yeah. And we managed, we had like full cable, totally free. Those are good times, by the way. You’re right. Kermit is a computer file transfer management reading from Wikipedia protocol and the set of communication software tools primarily used in the early years of personal computing and the 1980s [00:19:00] old school.

Christina:Old school. So, so UGA was like really, really backwards then, because I remember that, but I also remember using gofer or whatever emergency. I just remember having to set up the IRQ settings and trying to get connected because it was not an easy process. I mean, I I’ve lost so much of this time because it’s been 25 years, but, but I,

Brett:sound familiar, but I, yeah,

Christina:right.

Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s been 25 years, but I just remember being like 11 or 12 and like being like. All right. How am I going to all right. Get, get this to work, get the course, catalog up, get the other stuff. And then, you know, I’ve got like my older sister, who’s impatient and kind of bitchy and, and thinking that she knows everything and I’m like, okay, well then you do it.

And then she has no idea what she’s doing. And then she’s like, you know, yelling at my mom is, is high, strong and freaking out. We have to get this time that I had. I’m like, well then fucking leave me alone. You know, like, Like, like, let me, let me, you know, follow the instructions and figure out how to [00:20:00] do this.

Like, we did have Wikipedia and we didn’t have, I mean, we had like a 14, four modem, so, you know, it was hardly, um,

Brett:I wonder if they’re still go over servers. It used to be this wealth of what you would call like underground Infor I mean, bomb making materials like the anarchist cookbook. Like

Christina:Oh yeah.

Brett:everything

Christina:Oh, we used to spread that around a floppy disks in, in middle school.

Brett:terrorism, but yeah. I wonder if that stuff’s still out there.

Christina:Um, I did actually find the, the anarchist cookbook and, uh, a couple of years ago, I think I was going to write a story about it. And then I didn’t, because it, it turns out like if you find it, like there might be some stuff in there. That’s I mean, look, to be very clear, like it is total homegrown terrorism sort of shit or whatever, but like most of the stuff it would not work and most of it is just complete

Brett:for an H-bomb in there that I’m 90% sure wouldn’t work.

Christina:There was a disc bomb. I remember there was a floppy disc bomb and, uh, [00:21:00] the, the, the idea was that it would destroy the hard drive in your computer or whatever. And I remember in seventh grade, Some of my friends, I didn’t actively participate, but I didn’t actively not participate. Right. That’s that’s I was gonna say, like, I didn’t actively try to build like the disk bomb, but I didn’t actively not like I was definitely watching, like, the idea was basically you just like open, open it up or acetone on some of the things.

Um, and, and replace a couple of the other things with some match system, like, um, basically replaced the inside with, um, matches and, um, like mashed powder. And, um, acetone. And then the idea was that the Reed heads would create friction, which would, you know, uh, spark the mash powder and, and, you know, combusted with the acetone and then burn the insights.

It did not do any of that. Like, and, and, and when you,

Brett:really just creative storytelling.

Christina:100%, 100%, but we were also excited and then like nothing happened. It was one of those things. It was like, [00:22:00] You know, cause, cause even then components were strong enough that it’s like, you would need a whole lot more like friction or whatever to do anything.

Assuming you even were able to spread stuff correctly. I don’t even, I don’t even think that it would be theoretically possible for it to do what it was doing, but it was creative storytelling. And you know, when you’re. Like 12, like that’s what you kind of think about as being like, you hear about something like the anarchist cookbook and you’re like, Oh yeah, this is, this is bad.

And this is, you know, I’m, I’m being so subversive and I’m so, you know, whatever it is, it’s like, it’s like, uh, telling dead baby jokes or listening to Marilyn Manson. It’s just one of those things that you do when you’re like that age, because it feels, yeah.

Brett:Nice segue. Um, for anyone, for anyone looking, I am linking a PDF with every page of the anarchist cookbook scanned it’s available on docs dot, google.com, who fun. Um, yeah, so there’s, there’s this news that really [00:23:00] shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, uh, that Marilyn Manson is being accused by multiple women of abuse.

Christina:it’s pretty sharable.

Brett:yeah, like I’ve always had a, uh, kind of a skeptical appreciation for some of his music, like his, his later his stuff more recently, I’ve actually really enjoyed, uh, third day of a seven day binge or whatever that song was like the soundtrack from, uh, John wick. Look, I liked that stuff. It was cool, but.

Like he’s always been creepy and I’ve never really appreciated the shock value of his kind of Hertz persona. So this isn’t, yeah, I’m not shocked.

Christina:No, no, I’m not shocked. And Evan, Rachel Wood, who is one of the people who’s like publicly finally named him, we all knew that it was him because she testified and in front of Congress, I think it was a couple of years ago and it went viral again. Last year. Um, [00:24:00] I’m not, I don’t really remember why, but her testimony went viral again.

And it’s really powerful where she talks about how she’d basically been groomed as a teenager, by someone who was twice her age and to, uh, you know, she described the abuse and it’s pretty horrific. Um, I’m not going to get into what some of the specific allegations are because we don’t need people to, to know that or like look at, you know, like if you want to do that to yourself, look into it, but it’s pretty, it’s pretty terrible, but based on the descriptions and everything, based on the fact that we all watched.

Them together, which was weird as hell, right? Like he’s literally was twice her age. I think they got together when she was still married. He was still married, I think, to two deed of on trees. And he got together with Evan, Rachel Wood. I don’t even think she was 18 yet, honestly, when they started. And then,

Brett:she was 19. He was 38.

Christina:well, that’s what they’re saying.

I’m saying, I think if you actually look into when they were

Brett:public record.

Christina:Right. I think if you look into some of the other things, I think it might’ve been earlier because data on trees talked about how, like, part of the reason they got divorced was that she didn’t like that there was this [00:25:00] other girl around and, and that she was just supposed to accept that.

And like, if you do that, Not like maybe there was another girl, but it, it seems unlikely. Um, but also the weird thing was is that like her whole look changed. Like she dyed her hair black. She started dressing like B2. Uh like, she was very clearly like from the outside, it was one of those things where, because she was, you know, a, a child star in retrospect, I actually think the way the media treated her in this was not that long ago.

This is really a little more than a decade ago was kind of fucked up because it was kind of like, Almost a making fun of thing. Like, Oh, he’s people were basically calling out like, look at how creepy this is, is basically what the headline was. Right. Like that was basically what, like the gossip media, like celebrity media kind of angle was, which was, Oh yeah.

It’s, it’s very clear that like he’s. You know, making all of his girlfriends look a certain way and that, [00:26:00] you know, he has some sort of control over them. And, and isn’t this weird that this guy is twice her age, but nobody bothered to really kind of be critical of it and be like, wait a minute. What is, what is a guy like this doing with this young girl?

Like, why are we just turning this into like fodder when really we should all be deeply concerned and freaked out that, you know, like he’s. Clearly manipulating her and doing some other stuff. And so she’d already been public about the fact that she’d been abused, but she named him this week and, um, other people came forward to CAA, dropped him his record label, dropped him, um, He has been cut from episodes of some star show.

He’s cut from a future episode of, uh, I think like one of the Ryan Murphy shows like, uh, American horror story or whatever, think that something else he did for someone else has been cut. Like basically he is he’s being swiftly canceled and I’m not opposed to that, [00:27:00] but I do kind of wonder, like, why did it take this long?

Because again, we all knew like she didn’t name his name, but we all knew it was him. When she talked about this, like two years ago, and people have said it the years, some stuff about him, like he, and he said, we’re support her. Like he talked about how he’d like, fantasize about like smashing her in the head with a sledgehammer and stuff.

Right. And people just kind of rolled their eyes. Oh, that just, just that though, that crazy Maryland, that crazy Brian, he’s just being performatively weird. You know, it’s like at a certain point, you know, that. Performative shtick. I don’t know, like it was this sort of thing that was edgy and, and felt risque and taboo to me as like a 13 year old.

And then as an adult, like a quarter century later, when the person is still doing the same shtick, you’re just like, okay, this, this no longer has, like, [00:28:00] why are people still buying into this? Like this isn’t even.

Brett:I think,

Christina:I don’t know.

Brett:labels have a lot of responsibility in this. As long as the labels continue promoting and continue putting up the music, even when they know better. People are it’s easy to, it’s easy to sweep that stuff under the rug because you assume, Oh, he’s got a new album out. No, if he was really a bad person,

Christina:Right.

Brett:the record labels wouldn’t be supporting him.

And especially like these days, it, I there’s a certain, as long as someone has commercial viability, it’s easy to

Christina:Oh, yeah. Oh, and that’s always what it comes down to. Right? Like to be clear his, his record label, those shows his agency. And I would say that his agency probably in his case probably has more culpability than even the record label, because it’s not like music is what makes people money now or whatever.

Right. He’s making more thing on continuing to be on TV shows and sell that persona. But it’s like, as soon [00:29:00] as they see that you’re not financially viable, then they’ll drop you. Um, this is as soon as it becomes too toxic for them to support, but as long as they feel like they can still make money out of it, like we’ve seen with every case of abuse or me too, or anything that’s come out.

Basically people we protected until it is like too toxic for them to, to not support. Right. But like, as, as, as long as there’s that monochrome of like, kind of hope, Oh, we can still make money off of this. There’s some sort of financial viability here, then it doesn’t matter. Which, um, is like a deeply cynical and kind of fucked up thing.

Um, but it’s weird though, like with him, actually, this is really fucked up. Like you say, like, we shouldn’t be surprise and we shouldn’t be, uh, although it doesn’t change the fact that it’s horrible, like what people have gone through and the fact that they’ve been clearly trying to tell us for years, like the re the Evan, Rachel Wood thing, like bothers me because she was.

So young. And like I said, the media [00:30:00] response was basically one of just kind of like pointing and gawking rather than being like, what the hell? Like, you know what I mean? Like, and, and, and not at all compare the situations cause they’re not the same and it’s, it’s different, but it’s kind of like the way that like Scott Disick, who I’m sure you don’t know who that is.

Brett:I don’t.

Christina:Uh, he is Courtney Kardashians ex-boyfriend and the father of her three children. So he’s part of the Kardashian clan, but he’s like my age, right. He’s like 37 and he keeps dating like 19 year old girls. And. He was with Sophia Richie. Who’s Lionel Richie’s youngest daughter for a couple of years after he and Courtney broke up and they got together when she was like 19.

And like, they would go on family vacations together and stuff. And it was weird because like, she, you know, is again like half his age. And, and again, like in that case, the definitely the media response has been more like this is gross, but has also been more like, kind of like this just kind of like pointing and staring thing.

And to be clear, like, [00:31:00] because those people always have cameras with them and he, I don’t think he’s ever exhibited behavior or had any sort of allegations against them or anything like is not the same thing. And I’m not trying to say that people who aren’t legally adults don’t have the right to be in relationships with whoever they want to be, because of course they do, but it does just kind of make me like question, like why, like we just kind of like point and stare when, you know, like the normal person response when you see those sorts of things, it’s usually like, okay, Is everything.

Okay. I mean, I think that’s a fair question to ask and maybe things are, but like, rather than just like treating it like an entertainment thing, you know? Um, but anyway, but in 2011, Marilyn Manson, I, because I looked into this last night where he did a coffee table book for one of his albums with fucking Shyla Boff, who is also like, uh, has been accused of, um, severe abuse.

Um, Oh, yeah,

Brett:was just really enjoying peanut butter Falcon. That [00:32:00] sucks.

Christina:yeah, no. Yeah. FKA twigs, like is suing him

Brett:To

Christina:like over abuse stuff. Yeah. Like, and, and, um, other people have come forward too, and he has done the. He’s he’s, he’s decided to go the route of basically like admitting that he’s a drug addict and alcoholic and all these things and has major issues, but has denied some of the other claims.

And like, so he’s like, all right, well, some of what you say is true, but not all of it, uh, which to me is anyway. Um, so the fact that, that he and Marilyn Manson created like a coffee table books together, it’s kind of fitting

Brett:That’s fucked up

Christina:it is fucked up.

Brett:the thing about a half year age, um, until you’re 60, that’s a horrible idea because people under 30 are rarely tolerable. Like I can’t imagine having a healthy relationship, uh, as someone over 40 with anyone. Like if I haven’t, I can’t [00:33:00] remember a 21 year old I’ve met and thought, you know, I could spend a lot of time with this person.

Christina:Right. You’re just in totally different phases of your life.

Brett:Yeah. Anytime you see, anytime you see a 38 year old with a 19 year old, you, you know, something drunk. That’s that’s, that’s never, that’s never the sign of someone who is truly, uh, invested in the, uh, the younger person. I just don’t think that’s possible.

Christina:Like I said, I think that there, there could be exceptions to everything, but I think in, in general, you’re correct. I mean, I think like, and I have, you know, friends who are younger and people who, you know, I, I enjoy being around. Maybe not like 21, but, um, although I am kind of mentoring someone, who’s a friend of mine’s daughter, who’s 21 and, and, or 22, I guess.

And I enjoy her very much, but yeah, it’s a different sort of thing. Right? Like, and, and I consider her, you know, we’re friends, but it’s also. Uh, a slightly different [00:34:00] relationship, even like five or six years ago. When I did have like interns who were like 10 years younger than me, um, I didn’t really feel a disconnect other than maybe like our professional statuses with them, but at the same time, you know, it was, it wasn’t like I wanted to date any of them.

Right. Like I just, yeah. I just feel like you’re, you’re in different, you’re in different places in your life. Um, yeah.

Brett:will admit there was, uh, a couple of years ago when I was still going to bars, there was an evening after a couple beers that I had a very intelligent, very, um, in a stimulating conversation with a 21 year old girl. And she was also clearly hitting on me. Uh, she was not attractive, but she was intellectually so interesting that I stuck with the conversation for probably an hour, which is crazy for me.

So yeah, I shouldn’t, I shouldn’t [00:35:00] generalize all 21 year olds are intolerable. That’s not true. Uh, just, yeah. Okay.

Christina:and I, I, I

Brett:there’s enough though.

Christina:Yeah. No. Well, I mean, I think it’s just a different life experience I go into and see if they’re intolerable. It’s just, you don’t, you don’t know what you don’t know. I mean, it’s one of those things. Like I only, like, at least for me, it’s only come with time where I’ve kind of realized I’ve looked back on those times in my life.

Cause you know, uh, I was like a very mature, like, um, like a high schooler. And then I felt like I regressed when I was in college because I actually act my age, but I still was frequently around people older than me. And it’s only been like, as I’ve actually gotten older, that I’ve realized, Oh yeah, I didn’t, I didn’t have any of the perspective or know any of the stuff, you know, I thought I, I thought I did at the time, but I, but I

Brett:that’s what makes it intolerable is so many 21 year olds think they ha think they’re worldly. Think they have the experience. Think they have the understanding that anyone 40 and up, or, you know, even, you know, 30 [00:36:00] and up. Can be like, no, you have a lot to learn. that’s that’s, that’s what grates on me, I guess, with most of those conversations.

Christina:Yeah, no, totally. And, uh, but, but I think they’re playing people who, especially, you know, with the. Age of the internet will not leak in really smart intellectual conversations. So yeah, it’s just that worldview stuff. It’s just, you don’t know. And like I said, there are always exceptions. I don’t want to make total generalizations, but it is, I don’t know for me like the, the Marilyn Manson thing, the creepy thing was like, he literally like her look changed, like.

She dyed her hair. She wore different makeup. She wore different types of clothing. Like she became a clone of his ex wife and it was, it was a very clearly like orchestrated thing by him. Right. Like, it didn’t seem to be of her own volition at all. It’s just like one day she shows up with him and then she’s looking like, you know, this clone of, of his ex-wife, who’s also like close to twice her age.

Like it just wasn’t. Okay. Um, [00:37:00] we’re going to have to have a real awkward segue in a second, but I was just going to say, I read his, I read his book or read part of his book. So he wrote like an autobiography or like co-wrote one or whatever. Like, I don’t remember when maybe it was like 98 or 99. I don’t know.

I read it in 2001 or part of it in 2001. And I I’m like, I haven’t read this book in 20 years. And I still remembered all the details of the first chapter. Like perfectly, because it was so disturbing, like the first sentence was like something like hell was my grandfather’s seller or whatever. And you know, I actually, I, Ron, it’s hilarious because I didn’t know we were going to be talking about this today.

Ironically, like read part of it last night and I like re reminded myself and like, I, I. Had all like, almost all the memories of, of that first chapter. And it was really disturbing. I look back at it now and I’m like, this was so clearly performative [00:38:00] and so clearly designed like whether it was true or not.

It was so clearly designed to like coincide with like his persona. Which, when it was published, it was before the Columbine stuff. And, um, you know, and, and it was, you know, when, when he did chief, like, you know, MTB fame and, and things like that, and gun kind of mainstream, when it was very clear, it was like, he’s cultivating like this, this creepy thing because that’s the brand.

And, and so 20 years later, I can look at that and I can know that, but at the time I just remember being dislike. So grossed out, just be like, this is what the fuck dude, you know,

Brett:you’re ready for an amazing segue.

Christina:I am.

Brett:That kind of stuff can make you lose sleep.

Christina:Yes,

Brett:But. And I know we talk about our failure to sleep a lot on this show, but on nights when my brain lets me and it’s not populated with nightmarish, uh, stories from, uh, shocking personalities, I’ve been sleeping [00:39:00] super well on my helix mattress.

That was, that was pretty good. Right.

Christina:That’s actually 100% great.

Brett:So I took, he looks is a two minute quiz and they matched my body type and my sleep preferences to the midnight mattress. And I, what I love is that they’re not one size fits all. Uh, they have the perfect mattress for everyone and they make it easy to find it. Uh, they have soft, medium and firm mattresses, mattresses that are great for cooling you down.

If you sleep hot and even a helix plus mattress for plus sized folks, uh, Mike midnight mattress is a medium firmness and ideal for sleeping on my side. And after a few months of sleeping on it, I can say for sure they got that right. Um, my previous mattress was another one that comes in a box, but it was a bit too soft for me.

And I had to add. Gel cooling toppers to it. Just to stop sweating. Yeah, it got it. Yeah. A lot of tossing and turning. Uh, my helix mattress though stays cool all [00:40:00] night, no tossing and turning and no sweaty dreams. Um, helix is awesome, but you don’t need to take my word for it. He looks was awarded the number one best overall mattress pick of 2020 by GQ and wired magazine.

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Christina:but a bump.

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Christina:that’s excellent.

Brett:We went from Marilyn Manson to helix mattress, and I feel like we did it in a very respectful way. That didn’t denigrate here. I, I

Christina:No, I do.

Brett:we pulled it off.

Christina:I think we do. I think we did. Now, if we’d made like a sweet dreams are made, you know, a sweet dreams are made of these like reference, if we’d done that, that I think we wouldn’t have pulled up.

Brett:Nope. Oh my God. That would be awful.

Christina:So I’m sorry

Brett:yeah, that, that didn’t happen. That didn’t happen.

Christina:exactly. That didn’t happen. So I think that that was very respectful and good. Um, have you been following this game? Stop stuff?

Brett:Um, I have, uh, I have actually finally come to understand what shorting is like. Finally, I got her, uh, an explanation of it that made perfect sense. So [00:42:00] now I understand what kind of shenanigans, uh, the hedge funds were pulling. And how easily, how, how fake the idea of money is and how easily they were defeated.

Christina:Well, I mean, I think that. I don&#